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maniacwatchestheworld · 2 years

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To all fans of Emmet/Evelyn (DoubleBattleShipping/SweetFrontierBrainShipping/Emmelyn shippers):

So I decided to bring up the whole odd little situation of Emmet/Evelyn's ship name with the present person running the most current version of the Neverending Romance Shipping List, and I think that I should bring this whole thing up to the community at large (especially since they seem interested in alternate suggestions for solving this little fiasco).

So here is the correspondence I had with them concerning this ship name (text version with hyperlinks included will be included under the cut):

Basically TL;DR for those who don't know the situation: Due to the Subway Bosses recent resurgence in popularity, Emmet/Evelyn has gained a fair level of popularity within the Pokemon fandom. On the longstanding Neverending Romance list of ships, this is listed as SweetFrontierBrainShipping, but the fandom at large seems to prefer to refer to them to as DoubleBattleShipping. However on this list, DoubleBattleShipping is listed as the pairing name for Enta (CBF) & Mitsuki (CBF) (two characters from a fairly obscure Pokemon manga).

The person who presently runs the Neverending Romance list seems to be a bit conflicted on what do to about all of this. Because on one hand they tend to have a preference for ship names that have real-world usage (to the point of willing to list multiple ships under the same name if a name that is already listed gains real-world usage for a different pairing), but on the other, the submission of DoubleBattleShipping as Enta (CBF) & Mitsuki (CBF) was a legitimate one and Emmet & Evelyn as a ship was submitted under a different name, even if people don't really use that name. However on the other other hand, the submission of Emmet & Evelyn as SweetFrontierBrainShipping was hardly legitimate in the first place as they didn't even list Evelyn by name (calling her "the blue Battle Chatelaine (I forgot her name)" instead) and if they had been running the list then, they would not have accepted this submission. If it wasn't for that barely legitimate submission, they likely would list Emmet & Evelyn alongside Enta (CBF) & Mitsuki (CBF) as DoubleBattleShipping.

As it stands, they aren't likely going to change either listing, but are willing to hear input and other proposals on the issue.

Also don't harass people for using one name or another or refusing to use one name or the other. (Also also, for what it's worth, they would prefer people to use DoubleBattleShipping over Emmelyn due to Pokemon's longstanding 25 year tradition of using the "[EnterNameHere]Shipping" format for ship names.)

For my own part, I think that if the usage of DoubleBattleShipping as Emmet & Evelyn was OVERWHELMING then they would likely have to accept DoubleBattleShipping as the ship name and strike SweetFrontierBrainShipping from the list. But as it presently stands, I don't think there is enough precedence to justify that. (There are only ~20 something posts for Emmet/Evelyn in the DoubleBattleShipping tag. If there were posts in the hundreds for it, then I could see maybe overruling the old name.)

Also as a name, I think that SweetFrontierBrainShipping is just a really bad name for Emmet and Evelyn! People in general don't refer to the Subway Bosses nor the Battle Chatelaines as 'Frontier Brains' (also I think that this ship name mischaracterizes Emmet a bit) and that may be why people have gotten so attached to DoubleBattleShipping as the name for them. If the shipping name was even a little better, then maybe people would accept the old name, but it's just SO BAD! There's just absolutely no enthusiasm for SweetFrontierBrainShipping as the name and so people are looking to call them literally anything else!

So if I may propose another idea: Since the popularity of Emmet/Evelyn is a pretty recent phenomena, maybe we can still change the name within the community to something else that everyone can be happy with! Something that people can be excited to use that isn't already taken. Maybe something involving their blue and white color scheming...? Something else involving the word "double" ...? Something referring to Emmet's butler outfit that goes pretty well with Evelyn's outfit...? Something somehow involving trains and/or roses...? Something referring to their blunt and upfront vs. timid and easy to embarrass dynamic? Since SweetFrontierBrainShipping's submission was barely legitimate in the first place, maybe it could be overruled if something else that isn't already taken starts getting a lot more real-world usage. (Since I honestly don't think that anyone can argue that "the blue Battle Chatelaine (I forgot her name)" isn't Evelyn, I think that this may be a decent compromise given the nature of the submission...?)

But just like the person who runs the current Neverending Romance list, I am open to other suggestions and ideas on what to do about this whole shipping name business! Feel free to reblog this post or message me any ideas you have regarding this whole issue, and I'll relay it over to the person who presently runs the list!

So a ship that I've noticed gaining a fair bit of popularity lately due to the Subway Boss' resurgence in popularity is Emmet/Evelyn. This already has a ship name in SweetFrontierBrainShipping, however it seems that the fandom at large has rejected this name and prefers to refer to them as DoubleBattleShipping (I know that name is already taken, but the ship that it's presently for is pretty obscure and it really does seem that the fandom has spoken in terms of who they prefer to have this name). On Tumblr, the tag has about 1 and a half pages of posts (some 20 something posts) by a smattering of people, but I do know that more posts exist out there by some rather popular artists that for some reason aren't appearing in the tag (even though looking at the posts directly, they are tagged with it. Basically Tumblr's tagging system as always is broken. :p). Meanwhile SweetFrontierBrainShipping has a grand total of 3 posts in its tag on Tumblr. In fact, by all rights, this ship should be under this tag more, however some anonymous people on Tumblr have been a little... Insistent that due to this list existing that Emmet/Evelyn MUST NOT be referred to as DoubleBattleShipping. Some people out there may be afraid to post Emmet/Evelyn under DoubleBattleShipping out of fear of getting harassed by anons (and have therefore been referring to it as Emmelyn).

Honestly, maybe Enta (CBF) & Mitsuki (CBF) should be put under MultiBattleShipping as they are apparently Multi Battle partners, no Double Battles going on here, (Also surprisingly, that ship name hasn't been taken...) leaving DoubleBattleShipping open for Emmet/Evelyn... You know... The two Double Battle specialists... (Also no one refers to the Subway Bosses nor the Battle Chatelaines as Frontier Brains.)

Sorry if I went on for a bit too long here. But hopefully you find this information at least a little useful or interesting.

I've dug through it a bit and this is honestly the wildest thing I've seen out of the Pokemon shipping name fandom in memory. I do appreciate others filling people in about this thread and the list in general as many users may not be aware of the project, but I certainly ask that everyone remain respectful about it. The list has never existed to or claimed to force anyone into using a particular name, and there are several historical examples of an unlisted name catching on in a community despite another name being listed (eg, SeamountShipping). If you're looking to me for input on this situation, the facts as I see them are that SweetFrontierBrainShipping - Emmet & Evelyn was listed around January 2014 and DoubleBattleShipping - Enta (CBF) & Mitsuki (CBF) was listed around February 2015. DoubleBattleShipping was actually submitted in this post on Tumblr alongside two other Enta (CBF) pairings, and hilariously, "SweetFrontierBrainShipping - Emmet and the blue Battle Chatelaine (I forgot her name)" was submitted in this Tumblr post. Since that time, both names have had real-world usage for Emmet & Evelyn, with DoubleBattleShipping having notably more. There are a lot of different facts to consider in this case, including the barely-sufficient submission for SweetFrontierBrainShipping (though it was indeed accepted by my predecessor over 8 years ago, despite their uncertainty over who the submitter was referring to), and this post by the claimed namer of DoubleBattleShipping as Emmet & Evelyn expressing acceptance or resignation to SweetFrontierBrainShipping in the tags. I'm not aware of the list ever striking down a listed name with real-world usage except for particularly egregious cases involving the content of the name itself, and I'm not particularly eager to set that precedent. However, I will say that if SweetFrontierBrainShipping's original submission was brought to me today, I likely wouldn't accept it in that state, and if Emmet & Evelyn was unnamed today, I would likely accept DoubleBattleShipping for it. In conclusion, I don't anticipate a repeal or change to DoubleBattleShipping - Enta (CBF) & Mitsuki (CBF) in any case. The submission is completely proper regardless of anyone's feelings about the significance of the pairing or relevance of the name. I similarly don't anticipate a repeal for SweetFrontierBrainShipping - Emmet & Evelyn unless anyone can show a clear alternative for who "the blue Battle Chatelaine" could have referred to on December 25, 2013. As for DoubleBattleShipping as Emmet & Evelyn, there's a significant amount of past precedent to consider, and the best solution might be to save it as a recognized alternative like SeamountShipping was, should the untouchables return in the future. If anyone has any other proposals or input on this issue, I welcome it. I will, however, say that in any case, I strongly prefer people using DoubleBattleShipping for Emmet & Evelyn over Emmelyn even if it's not strictly in accordance with the list. The Pokemon shipping community has nearly a 25-year-old naming tradition at this point and I don't want that to be eroded.

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subway-brothers-and-others · 3 years

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Emmet/Evelyn for the angst ship ask meme

Despite not being endgame in either verse I still like these two and their interactions. I see them more as platonic close friends but there is a point where they actually date for a while in omegaverse. I tried to make these applicable to both as possible

who is more likely to get injured doing small tasks

Evelyn, since when she gets especially nervous she starts getting clumsy. Having a hard time holding things or bumps into objects or people, which only further increase her nervousness.

who worries more about the other

Emmet, but I mean who wouldn’t worry about Evelyn after meeting her?

who is more afraid about the other leaving them

who is more likely to leave (for any reason)

who is more likely to drunkenly confess

Evelyn, since she would be the type to either refuse to drink or try really hard to get drunk to get rid of her nervousness. Emmet doesn’t push her to drink, heck he even somewhat refrains from it when they go out together, but she ends up doing so anyway until she got super drunk and talkative and emotional. Was a sobbing mess and Emmet didn’t know how to handle that.

who is more likely to push the other away (for any reason)

Both, but it would be because they both want what’s best for the other, which is exactly why they break up after a while of dating. They still remain emotionally open to one another, and they’re both more likely to back off before the other could push them away, if it ever comes to that.

who picks fights more often

Neither! Evelyn literally cannot and Emmet doesn’t like to see her so upset (because thats kind of her default already). But Emmet is always the one to randomly suggest they have a pokemon battle. They are “Double Battle Buddies” after all!

who usually apologizes first

Evelyn by virtue of being prone to apologizing a lot already. This does bother Emmet a lot, especially since he himself struggles with apologizing.

who is more likely to withhold their feelings for the other

Evelyn. In the prime verse she does develop a crush on Emmet for a while but soon it just settles into a close friendship affection sort of feeling, and she’s alright with that. Evelyn and Emmet only start dating in omegaverse because Emmet makes the first move and at that point she still has a crush on him. Emmet in general is usually pretty open with his feelings, especially the positive ones.

who is more likely to lash out at the other

Again, neither. Though a very drunk Evelyn might end up doing something rash, then start sobbing about it immediately after she does.

who gets more jealous

To most people it would appear that Emmet is the ‘jealous, possessive type’ but really its more he gets super protective of Evelyn and he doesn’t like it when random strangers (almost always guys) make her upset. Evelyn is actually the one to get jealous, and she isn’t proud of it.

who is more likely to support the other in a relationship with someone else “as long as they’re happy”

Both. They are generally very supportive of each other! And Emmet will be particularly vengeful towards anyone who ends up breaking Evelyn’s heart.

In omegaverse, they don’t work out in the long term because Evelyn is aware of how Emmet and Ingo are and she’s jealous of it. She wants to have Emmet’s attention and affection to herself but she knows that she can’t come between that bond and knows that it would be unfair to Emmet. And unfortunately she isn’t the type who is up for a poly relationship so. Emmet himself becomes aware that he wasn’t really treating her the way she deserved, especially since he only asked her out in the hopes he could start a family like his late older brother. Knows she deserves better than that. While he does love her it isn’t to the same extent/degree as with Ingo.

They break up on good terms (the drama from Evelyn’s sisters, things with Ingo, and the baby notwithstanding) and remain very supportive of each other’s new relationships.

#sweetfrontierbrainshipping #Emmet Whyte #Evelyn Quatrèfle #they are soft #im so sorry this might be the first entry into their shipping tag

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