#twatf spoilers

[headphonemouse]

Spoilers for Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint and The World After the Fall

He's like everyone's hyung. Jaehwan crawled as a sopping wet mess so everyone else could be slightly less damp on their own journey

I just finished The World After the Fall and i have. some thoughts. just a few.. I came from ORV first though so it's mostly in relation to ORV rather than discussion of TWATF on its own

At first I thought Jaehwan was really like Yoo Joonghyuk. I described him and his story like this

But over time and as I reached the last arc I realized that he has a lot in common with Kim Dokja and Han Sooyoung as well. Kim Dokja and Jaehwan's mutual love for webnovels stems from SingShong's love for webnovels, and I liked that because you can see from reading their works that those authors really, really love webnovels and philosophy. Jaehwan has a lot of facets to him, and that was a really important plot point, but a common complaint I saw in reviews of TWATF was that more or less the only fleshed out character was Jaehwan. I kinda agree. Jaehwan has a lot of depth and there's a ton of introspection and philosophy in the second half of the novel, so he's a very intriguing character. But no one else made that big of an impact. Then in ORV, it seems like SS were able to split up some of those facets that make an intriguing protagonist and gave those traits to YHK. Jaehwan is like a one-man cast.

Related to his similarities with YHK. Between him and KDJ, they are both self sacrificial but while KDJ sacrifices himself for his companions, Jaehwan sacrifices himself. for himself.. And then between him and HSY, they would both doom the world for the sake of one person. But HSY dooms worldlines for KDJ's sake. and Jaehwan destroys and then rewrites the Tree of Imagery into existence for his own sake. Jaehwan and YJH both have lonely backs, but the difference between them is that none of Jaehwan's friends were ever able to catch up to him. He faced his [end] alone. I don't think he was ever able to escape the loneliness that has plagued him since the beginning. He made friends and they supported him and they tried their best to fight with him, to follow his example, to honor him in his absence, but in the end they were too weak to stand at his side, unable to even follow, and after they died his memory in the world faded away.

It makes me sad. I really did like the other characters, how they looked at Jaehwan and saw hope. He became 'the world' to so many people. He was loved. He was admired. He was respected. His friends gave their hearts to him but it wasn't enough to ever reach him. We didn't get all that much time to focus on other characters. Still, I thought they were interesting.

I liked Runald the best, his outburst at Yoo Surha over the happiness evaluation surprised me. As the person who understood Jaehwan the most, I wonder how he felt enduring all those years. He's presented as a simple minded boy but he's got quite a lot he doesn't talk about. Wonder who he learned that from.

I can't imagine a good outcome for Jaehwan if he somehow reenters the Tree of Imagery. What would he do? Everyone but Sirwen is dead. Would he fight the System again? The System that he destroyed and then brought back? Why do all that? If anything, he should talk to Sirwen and finally tell her that he killed her dad. Her looking for information on Mulack was pretty important but then it was never mentioned at the end.

Jaehwan was a really interesting character and I liked how often he was allowed to cry, without realizing it, as if the emotions spilled out before he could recognize them. His conversations with his [clothes] were interesting, how cocky some of them were, or proud, or quiet, or scared. They were all Jaehwan. They were all human.

I'm running out of things to say, but to wrap up. I didn't really enjoy the story. It's not the kind of story that I'm usually into. But I wanted to see where Jaehwan would go. Just to see him reach his [end], I read the whole thing. It was extremely depressing. I don't regret reading it because I learned more about the writers through it. Sometimes while cheering for Jaehwan I felt like I really related to KDJ. And the end. That was it? It was an ending that stayed true to the themes of the rest of the story. That's all I can say.

#twatf #twatf spoilers #the world after the fall #orv spoilers #orv #omniscient reader's viewpoint #art tag #digital

[lumen-tellus]

orv, chapter 488 & 489

twatf, chapter 149

#angel reads orv #angel reads twatf #twatf spoilers #orv spoilers #i just think these parallels are neat :)

[sun-almighty-wukong]

SHE'S AN OVER-ADAPTER!?!??

#orv #omniscient reader's viewpoint #orv spoilers #kim dokja #omniscient reader #kdj #twatf jaehwan #the world after the fall jaehwan #jaehwan #the world after the end #the world after the fall

[pttucker]

I activated the [Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint] right away. And then, bore witness to a message I had never seen before. [Applicable individual is a 'Character' from a worldview you are not familiar with.] …A 'Character' from a worldview I wasn't familiar with? Almost at the same time, bright light suddenly shone out from the naked man's eyes. [Someone is activating a power not registered with the system!] Circular disks were vigorously spinning above his retinas. [An existence of another dimension is spying on your true nature!] [Warning! This power cannot be fully blocked by 'The Fourth Wall'!]

What???

Now we have whole entire different universes showing up? With their own absolute beings???

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Wait.

Could it be...?

I gotta go check something.

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I freaking knew it!

Oh man, first Dokja asks if there are unseen readers out there reading his story and now he literally encounters the main character of another novel from our world.

We are really straining the Fourth Wall here.

...The Fourth Wall that didn't answer about the readers and didn't answer when Dokja asked if they'd run into Jae-Hwan again...

#ohhhhhh boy here we go #lmfao I do love though that dokja finally asks how hold yjh is #really really really old my dude #tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands #(at least if you count Secretive Plotter's lifetime as part of his) #if nothing else he's a few thousand with probably 1-5 years in each regression plus his special training he did outside of time #...and you are like 90 if we count the 60+ years you just spent in the 0th turn (assuming that time flowed one to one for dokja) #talk about an age gap relationship for joongdok #granted even hankim was age gap after she spent all those years in that reincarnation world... #lmfao dokja was practically a BABY compared to some of his companions by the end #orv #orv spoilers #orv liveblog #omniscient reader's viewpoint #orv epilogue spoilers #orv novel chapter 528 #kdj #the fourth wall #twatf

[immortal-tale]

I'M GONNA FLIP!!! SO- THIS DID HECKING HAPPEN!?!?!?! AM I READING THE REPLIES RIGHT!?!?!

(Wait- I just noticed Jaewhan literally does not have a blood-family...what if he is a Yoo!?!? 0 - 0)

#omniscient reader's viewpoint #orv #omniscient reader #orv spoilers #yoo joonghyuk #yjh #orv biyoo #biyoo #41st shin yoosung #41st sys #the world after the fall #twatf #the world after the end #twate #Jaewhan

[ravs6709]

“You bastard, are you the <<Big Brother>>?”

LIKE FROM 1984???? who the fuck is this guy im

This plus your way later ask about someone else made me laugh because like. You already met the 3rd protagonist. It was buddha

As for this guy actually he's the protagonist of the authors' other work the world after the fall who. Ig he made it out of his own universe??? And from what I've read so far he hates regressing he's always been one to always push forward so that would explain his reaction to kdj (who has regression stigma so...)

#ive only read twatf on webtoon and its. mid. the art is cool and all. i feel like the concept is decent too ig. #but the characters are so. eh. constantly drop and pick up new characters and im so bored #cause for me like: i could excuse a really badly paced story if it had fun characters i was invested in #but if the characters are bad then i just. cant. #orv #astra's asks #roshan #roshan reads orv #orv spoilers #OH yeah also like. there are other minor crossovers #apparently in the author's rewrite of twatf i think that protag comes across yjh & biyoo??? idk theres official art somewhere though

[infinitevoidofnoodles]

Twatfs spoilers!!!

No one:

Me: *thinks about that one scene in episode 5 of tfatws of Bucky flirting with Sarah and makes my crush on sebastian stan multiply by 10%*

Oof mood

#tfatws #tfatws spoilers #asks

[lumen-tellus]

man sing-shong really likes to discuss what truth (reality) is and make everything into a circle of some kind

#twatf spoilers #angel reads twatf

[lumen-tellus]

as usual, the final chapters drop all the nutsy bombshell details that turn everything upside down and also hit you the hardest. also, the start of the novel having that sing-shong trademark of discussing fiction and the world ww

also the way it slightly touches upon mental illness...... or rather, how mental illness is treated at large, it's so :') !!

like I don't want to constantly do orv comparisons bc I think the novel should and can stand on its own, but the threads really are similar at this point - and where kdj uses fiction to cope with reality, jaehwan is using fiction not just for that, but also to resist, to "prove" his world and his dreams' existence and stability.

the commentary on fiction in twatf can be summarized as fiction not just being as worthy as reality, but creating new, better realities - fiction, a story, is resistance and revolution and innovation! a way to not just change what's here, but to outright create something that doesn't exist at all yet.

#angel reads twatf #twatf spoilers

[lumen-tellus]

SPEAKING OF DREAMS, the parts where the novel talks about dreams and humanity are some of the most fun things I've chewed on in a while and also my biggest jam ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

like the first mention of a dreamer is easy to take literally, and you probs are supposed to - a dreamer is someone who aspires for something lofty and idealistic - unrealistic, and perhaps greater than the world itself.

but then later on, the novel talks more about dreams........ or rather, what it means to aspire for the dream such that you are no longer a dreamer but the dream itself. in which case— you won't be human anymore.

because the dream cannot be the dreamer - after all, logically speaking, a person needs to dream the dream. a human needs to dream to be a dreamer. the dreamer can only be human. and to become the dream itself is to deny your humanity, to strip yourself of everything that isn't the great, lofty ideals untethered to reality in exchange for supposedly knowing all, becoming purely conceptual (perhaps... even becoming like an adult.)

—thus, what does it mean to be human?

to be human is to be flawed and uncertain doubt, with imperfections and desires, constantly dreaming of better worlds, constantly questioning the state of the present world.

#twatf spoilers #ME WITH MY ETHICS MINOR GOING HAM ALL OVER THE PLAVE WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I LOVE TALKING STUPID PHILOSOPHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! #angel reads twatf

[lumen-tellus]

this section,

and this section,

lowkey feel super big brain to be written relatively closely to one another, to touch similar subjects... because they both talk about having a dream - the former being in the situation of giving up his dream because the dream seemed too elusive, impossible to continue under the machinations of the world and losing his close companions, whereas the latter is beginning to feel the same... but stops, because he still has trust and faith in his friends and wants to continue it as such

or something like that lol

#angel reads twatf #twatf spoilers

[lumen-tellus]

there's a few parts of twatf that explicitly bring up the idea of being a child or rather, to have a childlike, innocent viewpoint in contrast to "the rest of the world, who are adults" - its interesting because these moments feel more like they're being used as a vehicle or embellishment to other concepts (such as "what does it mean to be human" and "learning to live in reality" or even more basic, "the individual vs society"), yet I feel like this idea is brought up very often in some form that it could still be considered a significant theme on it's own, discussed as is with much detail ww

#angel reads twatf #twatf spoilers

[lumen-tellus]

this is still lowkey among the fuckiest parts of the novel but the concepts being discussed here are basic as heck - it's just the metaphors being used that might make it a little complicated, but even then it's still a fun if not silly read to me ww

#angel reads twatf #THE DISCUSSION OF INDIVIDUALITY BOOOOOOYEAAAAAH #twatf spoilers

[lumen-tellus]

—The World After the Fall, Chapter 98.

personally, I think this is where the story starts to Really hint at the themes and messages it wants to talk about. like, the mc's powers already hint at some of it, but it's a very tiny hint. this chapter though - it's practically a dumpster truck of info alalsjdjdjdjdjxjx

#twatf spoilers #angel reads twatf

[headphonemouse]

Usually I don't buy into self sacrifice in fiction because how much can one human life really be worth, when so many have been lost already? But the way that orv sets up Kim Dokja's self sacrifices, sure it has its own in universe reasons, but the reason it sold me on why those sacrifices were necessary and worked was that subjective feeling of equivalent exchange. He wanted to save his world (companions), so he sacrificed himself. This is fair payment because he exists as 'the world' to everyone else. Just. Jung Heewon confronting Anna Croft with "you want to save the world? I do too. He is the world I wish to save" (paraphrased) and Kim Dokja obtaining the story 'One Who is Loved by All' and Lee Sookyung shaving off years of her life for him before and during the scenarios and him becoming a protective and nurturing presence to his kids and showing Lee Hyunsung how to use his strength to protect justice and giving Yoo Joonghyuk hope and giving meaning to Han Sooyoung's writing and decades of waiting to meet him just by continuing to exist. There are so many other people that he means so much to and I'll never get over how beloved he is, before during and after the scenarios. The whole time! The whole time he has been loved. He isn't always able to see it but it's always been there. Meeting him is like being unable to imagine someone more worthy of love while at the same time thinking that he's not particularly remarkable. It's the way that he is cherished and returns that kindness that makes him incredible (The Little Prince and his conclusions about the uniqueness of his rose come to mind. It wasn't mentioned in ORV, but the Little Prince played a significant role in TWATF so I think some of those themes carry over to ORV because SingShong seem to really like that story)

#talking tag #orv spoilers #uoghhh #i need to get up in 3 hours. .. #read TWATF #i didnt like it but its important to understanding SingShong a bit more #the storyline is a lot more straightforward than orv so its like the singshong themes and cliches accelerated course #im rereading orv but i need to reread the little prince and twatf right fucking now #and also maybe brush up on murim tropes and learn some mythology and history and and and #there should be a required reading list for all the things that orv references goddamn #i was pitching this to my buddy the other day and i said something like 'orv should be understandable to anyone about high school level but #your reading experience will be enriched if you have a bunch of background knowledge of all these topics' #which i think is a really cool thing the authors did! they set out to write an accessible and gripping story and they landed it really well

[sun-almighty-wukong]

Breaking the Sky Sword Saint is parallel to Doctor of Despair Chunguh, same with Paradox Baekchung Kyrgios Rodgraim and Jaehwan. All Transcendants/Awakeners who practiced the same slash or stab 10 billion times.

Of course, ORV's universe doesn't have a means of infinite power like Awakening or infiniterer powerer like the [Panopticon]'s Entrance, that dark area Jaehwan lived for 10 billion years to have a "big bang of consciousness".

They both contain the same elements but each serve a different purpose between both universes.

#orv #omniscient reader's viewpoint #omniscient reader #omniscient reader novel #orv spoilers #the world after the fall jaehwan #the world after the end #twatf