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#also using neurodivergency as an excuse to say shitty things is just... shitty
rslashrats · 4 months
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🪰 housefly734 Follow
just a reminder that flies rubbing their hands together =/= plotting a nasty scheme
🪰 r0tt1ngm3at Follow
FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT!! I HATE THE STEREOTYPE THAT US RUBBING OUR HANDS TOGETHER MEANS WE ARE PLANNING SOMETHING DUBIOUS!!
🪰 crane-fly-wives Follow
^^ Boosting! I constantly get non-flies giving me death glares whenever I wash my hands in the restroom. Like, that's what you're supposed to do after going to the bathroom! Sorry for being hygienic I guess 🙄
🪰 diptera-doll Follow
Reasons why flies might be rubbing their hands together:
It's chilly out and they're trying to warm up
They just put hand sanitizer/lotion/hand cream on
They're rolling a ball of clay together
What you should do if you see a fly rubbing their hands together:
Leave them alone! It's none of your business
Hope this helped! :)
🪰 flyhlghh Follow
people also forget that hand-rubbing is a very common stim!! neurodivergent flies constantly get stigmatized for showing any traits of their neurodivergencies in public!! please don't forget that!!
🐝 iamrealflytrustme Follow
I dont know about you losers but i like to rub my hands together because i am planning the most heinous and villanous crimes in my head
🪰 crane-fly-wives Follow
Wow, most obvious troll I have ever seen in my life. Get a life, dude 🙄
🪰 compoundeyehaver Follow
> claims to be a real fly
> has bee as their profile pic
dude couldn even get the right insect for their shitty troll account LMFAOOOOO
🐝 iamrealflytrustme Follow
No i am real fly and i am plotting to land on someones pie rn and ruin it with all my real fly germs. rubbing my hands together as i do it too
🪰 crane-fly-wives Follow
Anyone wanna bet this guy is some amphibian from 4frog typing this nonsense from their lilypad right now? Just me? Okay-
🐝 iamrealflytrustme Follow
I am buzzing around people's ears now
🪰 crane-fly-wives Follow
Yep, that pretty much confirms my theory. The nerve of some non-flies, I swear 🙄
🪰 batsianmimc Follow
@venus-fly-trap-hater
🪰 venus-fly-trap-hater Follow
this post is so real!! tysm babe for sending it to me 💞 ilyy
🪰 batsianmimc Follow
ILY too sugar cube 😘
🐝 iamrealflytrustme Follow
Can you guys stop kissing on this post its ruining my evil scheme planning
🪰 crane-fly-wives Follow
Can't believe this guy is still at it, honestly. @staff @tumblr Please take action against fake fly troll accounts such as these ones!
🐝 iamrealflytrustme Follow
Staff cant kill me i rubbed my hands on them too hard and they dieded sorry
🪰 crane-fly-wives Follow
🤣🤣🤣 Oh the excuses this fake is making, LOL! I haven't been this entertained since the Bombylius major discourse last year!
🪰 compoundeyehaver Follow
why are you still arguing with the troll instead of just blocking
🪰 crane-fly-wives Follow
Just think it's entertaining to see the lack of logic that bounces around in the brains of these non-flies sometimes 🤷‍♀️ Every response this so called "I am a real fly, trust me" user has given me has just made me crack up and flap my wings together.
🐝 iamrealflytrustme Follow
I am gonna rub my hands and plan more evil schemes involving you next
🪰 crane-fly-wives Follow
Heh, just try it, kid. Go on, I'll wait. 🥱
🦗 chirpingboy Follow
things are getting heated in the fly community
🪰 crane-fly-wives Follow
Of course a Grasshopper has the nerve to comment something insensitive on this post. Honestly, just mind your business 🙄
🦗 chirpingboy Follow
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okayy
🦗 hopping-along-the-bank Follow
Hey, you can't really preach for not discriminating against flies and then discriminate against a grasshopper, dude. Not cool.
🪰 crane-fly-wives Follow
I think I certainty can, with my past experiences of Grasshoppers always finding the ways to say the most uneducated and baseless takes on my previous posts and discussions. Plus, after the Fly-Grasshopper War of 247 BC (in which my ancestors fought in, mind you) and the consequences that followed it, I think I am well within my rights. But go ahead, frame me as the bad guy here. 🤣
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Yeah, you say this and conveniently ignore the socio-economic struggles that grasshoppers have been facing for the past century, many of these issues which were spearheaded by fly conservative politicians in office at the time.
So, yeah, it is rather hypocritical for you to pull out these cards when grasshoppers have also been punished and gotten the short end of the stick throughout bug history.
🪰 crane-fly-wives Follow
The implication that all flies are responsible for a few greedy politicians is quite comical, really. 🥱 Not to mention that many Grasshopper politicians in Bugland and Bugtopia have also had histories of introducing laws that have severely affected communities majorly made up of Flies. But sure, keep arguing with me about this, buddy. I got all day 🤣
🐝 iamrealflytrustme Follow
I am still rubbing my hands and planing schemes btw
🪰 flythatlovestogethigh Follow
anyone smoke bug weed in this thread
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sharpth1ng · 2 months
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What do you think is mentally wrong with billy and stu other then being “insane”
I don't actually think they're insane, tbh. I'm going to give a long explanation of this but I just want to say I'm not judging you or the question. Terms like this get miss-used a lot in pop media (including in Scream) so it's easy to get the wrong idea.
"Insane" is a legal category, not a medical diagnosis. Legally, insanity refers to someone being in a state where they are so out of touch with reality that they can't be considered responsible for their actions. The way this works is complicated, but simply put if the crime was violent then it needs to be proven that the accused person didn't actually know what they were doing.
Successful insanity pleas are very very rare, both because the burden of proof is super high and because people with disorders that involve a break from reality don't commit violent crime that often at all. It's actually pretty rare.
So yeah, by that definition these two are not insane at all. They know exactly what they are doing and they intend to do it. They call themselves "psychotic" but that's also a miss-use of the term. They very clearly don't have psychosis, and aside from that people with psychosis are less likely to act violently than people who don't have it (this is a statistical fact).
On that note I just want to point out that the way media connects violence with psychotic disorders is a real problem. It stigmatizes and isolates the real people who struggle with this stuff. It causes others to judge and fear them, it makes them fear themselves, and it makes it harder for them to access treatment and care. So yeah the psychotic line in Scream is a real pet-peeve of mine, that's why I changed it in my writing.
Getting back to Billy and Stu I really don't think their issues and behaviours can be boiled down to any mental health issues. To be clear I don't think anyones bad behaviour can be boiled down to mental health issues. In some cases mental health issues can help us understand where behaviour is coming from, but they're never the only cause. So I'll talk about the way I write them in terms of the issues they deal with, but just keep in mind that these things not the cause of their actions.
I write Billy autistic partly because I am (but also because of the canonical horror movie special interest and third act meltdown) and I'd say my portrayal of Stu also indicates some type of neurodivergence- probably something like ADHD but I don't have any specific diagnosis in mind. Billy also has some attachment and trust issues- these aren't diagnosis or disorders but they are definitely things he struggles with. For his part Stu is dealing with parental neglect and struggles with loneliness as well as under-stimulation.
All of this stuff informs the way they behave with each other, the walls they put up, and the types of relationships they have with other people. For example Billy isn't emotionally open to Sidney at any point. Even if he wasn't gay there was never a possibility for their relationship to work out because he's completely closed off to her. He doesn't trust her.
In terms of what I think is truly wrong with these two it's the misogyny, the slut shaming and the self-centeredness. That's the kind of stuff that I think explains their behaviour for real, and none of it is related to their mental health issues or insecurities.
Stu is a rich white boy living in suburban California and the way I write him, so is Billy. They have shitty values and the kind of privileged upbringing that teaches men to see themselves as the main character. Billy literally has one of those scary tiktok boy moms, like when we see Nancy in Scream 2 she fully excuses all of his behaviour. He's been brought up not having to take accountability or consider the real effects of his actions. Neither of them have.
So yeah tldr: They aren't insane, they do have some legit mental health issues the way I write them, but none of that stuff causes their actions in the movie. Their actions are caused by a toxic combination of sexism and main character syndrome, which are not mental health issues.
I hope all that makes sense!
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nerves-nebula · 9 months
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!!!!!!! IVE FINDALLY FOUND A FELLOW MANDELA CATALOG DISLIKER
I've been into the ARG/Unfiction genre since like. 2015. And literally I've understood the hype around almost every unfiction project to some degree, EXCEPT for Mandela catalogue. Like. I've never understood the hype. Maybe it's just because I found it to feel very formulaic but like. Some of the faces used for this that are meant to be slightly unsettling are just,, not perfectly proportional and are badly lit?? Like literally that's it. Like there are real people who look like that. Fix the lighting and it's just gonna look like your neighbor of something. It's not very scary
But also like, for real? On your points abt how the series itself gives off A Lot if proto-fascistic messaging,
when I first watched it I was like "oh! That's the point! This is abt how fascist governments use media like TV to influence and misinform the public in service to facism and paranoia. Like these doppelgangers aren't actually real! They're just made up boogiemen to incentivize the public to turn on their neighbors/to attack people who are disfigured or disabled" and I thought that I finally was maybe getting why people found it interesting and that I had judged it too harshly
And then it wasn't that and instead was like "yeah no. There IS a secret boogeyman group who aren't (side eye to that) who are gonna steal your children via television (even Bigger side eye), and nearly off of them are just like, slightly photoshopped pictures of Real People but now they're just disfigured/disabled/literally just slightly non proportional features
This series could be very cool, but its just a thematic mess and is (intentionally or not) communicating a lot of facistic/eugenic sentiments
Idk if this anon is well phrased but like. You're so right it's unreal
-Gonzo
HAHAHHHHH YESSSS. YESSSSS. ITS SUCH A MESSSS.
LIKE. what is the POINT. half the "scary" ppl look like someone I'd see on the bus. the intruder looks like the homeless guy who asked me for bus fair a while back.
CRUCIALLY I don't think any of the bigotry was intentional, however it's SO thoroughly interwoven into Alex's worldview and the world he's created that it's like. at the fucking center of everything. it's insane to me how full grown adults analyze it on youtube and somehow manage to do that without comparing and compiling all the tropes it uses to make its point (whatever it's point even IS)
whenever me & my friend talk about it we somehow manage to keep tripping into different kinds of bigotry!! we'll be talking about ableism and how Adam's arc is very similar to many changeling tropes, which were (and to some extent still are, see: Star Children/Indigo Children) often used to abuse neurodivergent or mentally ill/disabled children. and we'll realize that Adam arc ALSO mirrors the Tragic Mulatto storyline too and it's like wow!! Two in one! you've done it so bad!!
a lot of the issues with it are small little things that could be excused as a coincidence- EXCEPT THERE'S SO MANY LITTLE THINGS THAT IT BECOMES IMPOSSIBLE TO IGNORE.
it's like- ok imagine this: you're having an interaction with someone and they do a microaggression at you, right? not outwardly bigoted, just kind of ignorant. and you're like, ok. fine. nobody is perfect, they probably didn't mean any harm. it's not worth kicking up a fuss about.
but if it keeps happening EVERY SINGLE TIME you talk to this person, it starts to build inside you and it's like. it's hard to even say why you hate them because you'd need to drag out every shitty tiny thing they've said and at that point you feel like maybe you're just being petty- BUT IT'S NOT PETTY IF IT HAPPENS EVERY SINGLE TIME AAA
ok sorry i started writing an essay again. i think my bud's gonna like this tho he's gonna be so happy other people did actually notice
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sorry for the long confession but i’m passionate about this and i think it’s important to talk about:
there is absolute nothing ableist about disliking or even hating sara. hating a character who happens to be neurodivergent is NOT the same as hating a character because they are neurodivergent.
yes, there are people who have projected their prejudices onto sara since season 1 because she is a neurodivergent female character. HOWEVER, there are also many many people who hate/dislike her because her actions are horrid.
and yes, autism and adhd affect personality and a person’s perceptions of the world (social cues and behavior, etc.) but they are not excuses. sara fucked up. she fell in love with a man who uploaded pornography of her 16 year old brother and then proceeded to warn said man of her brother going to the police to get justice. she fucking sucks (in my personal opinion).
she did bad things. it is not ableist to say that and dislike her for that. we can all acknowledge that she is neurodivergent and understand the basis for her actions and thought processes, but that doesn’t mean people are required to like her or turn a blind eye to her actions. autism and adhd are not get out of jail free cards for super shitty behavior.
and as someone who is autistic, i can understand people being upset that the only known neurodivergent character in the main cast is a very dislikeable person. i understand the criticisms that this may continue and further some people’s negative perception of neurodivergence. AND i can understand and even kind of relate to the protectiveness some of us may have over her. before season 2, i felt the same way. i defended her and held hope that that one scene at the end of season 1 was a fluke lol. but then season 2 happened and i just couldn’t continue defending her because i was basing it entirely on my own protectiveness of her character. she was representation for me and i hated that i was losing my ability to see myself in her.
and i think we should continue having this kind of conversation for more positive representation in not only queer media but all kinds of media for nd characters. this is important and it saddens me that i don’t feel a connection to sara anymore. but i also want to call to attention that excusing sara’s behavior with her neurodivergent diagnoses also doesn’t reflect good on neurodivergence in general. saying that her actions are the direct result of her autism/adhd and therefore cannot be criticized simply isn’t the best defense at all cause that can easily be turned into more hate on us by neurotypicals.
at the end of the day, sara is an understandably complex character with many layers. she is neurodivergent and for some viewers that may result in them sympathizing and relating to her more. while others may understand and appreciate those nuances but still find themselves heavily disliking her. whereas other viewers may project their biases on her and be hateful for the very fact that she is autistic and has adhd (these are the ableists). it is possible and even valid to critique nd characters as long as you remain conscious of the language you use and your own reasoning for disliking them. i often times look inward at myself to make sure that my dislike for sara isn’t coming from internalized ableism because i never want to contribute to the hatred of nd people in this world by projecting onto her. it’s healthy to do that so you avoid becoming part of the problem. but it’s not healthy to label every critique of her as ableism because then you’re misusing such an important identifier.
in summary, hold yourself responsible for the way you think about characters like sara. whether you’re expressing your dislike for them OR defending them, listen to the words you’re saying and look inward to see what it really is you’re trying to say (whether good or bad)
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starry-eyed-fag · 11 months
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Would unironically love to see a writeup about the anti-rpf movement and how it connects to ableism. Homophobia I can kind of see, people seem to take way more issue with m/m rpf than of f/m from what i've seen, especially in classic rock. But ableism? (Genuine curiosity btw! )
-a curious rpf lover
so i normally don't get into shipcourse, but this is something I actually feel passionate about. RPF writers and readers are attacked for a lot of reasons, some of them fair and a matter of personal opinion, a lot of them very obviously bigoted. (also I will be reblogging this on my discourse blog @political-faggotry, if you want to send me asks in response to this post send them there!)
People take way more issue with m/m and f/f RPF than m/f RPF, as you said. This is because fanfiction and other forms of "shitty literature" have always been associated with queer people. This has been the case since at least the 1960s, when queer authors were forced to write shitty tragic stories that can't really be classified as love stories in order to have their stories told at all. A lot of queer-coded media was like this too, and cishet people caught on.
My informed opinion is that modern-day RPF was created because of an intersection of neurodivergence and queerness. Basically, ND queer people who felt out of place in society came together and formed fandoms around bands, actors, celebs, etc. Due to the increasing popularity of fanfiction in the 2000s, it was only natural that this would eventually bleed into fandoms of bands.
I think that the reason that M/M RPF fic was/is so popular is because of the trans eggs in fandom that 1) liked to project onto male characters and 2) viewed women as competition. Back when I was an egg, this was definitely what drew me to RPF. I did not like reading about Pete Wentz with his actual girlfriend, or with some female OC, I liked reading about him with a man I could project onto and who didn't feel like competition.
Anti-RPF "movements" during the 2000s was very obviously homophobic, misogynistic, and transphobic. Readers & writers would regularly get called homophobic slurs, get misogynist and transandrophobic comments, and otherwise be attacked for being queer and/or perceived female.
In the late 2010s was when the rise of calling things "problematic" because cringe culture died truly happened. Instead of saying "I don't like what you write because you're a faggot", people would say "actually you're problematic for writing that". It was literally the same shit we would get told in the 2000s, replacing words like "faggot" and the r-slur with "problematic".
I'm not saying that all people who call media problematic are like this - far from it. I call some media problematic too! However, media perceived as queer was targeted with accusations of being problematic far more than media without queerness attached, and many people who were already homophobic used this as an excuse to be homophobic while still being seen as "progressive".
I have an entire other rant about how non-MLM "progressives" can be and are homophobic sometimes, but I don't really have the spoons to write all that out right now - I will do it later though!
It would be misleading of me to not also talk about how TEHMs played a big part in the homophobia and transphobia that was directed at the (queer) RPF community. For those unaware, TEHM stands for Trans Exclusionary Homosexual Male. They are basically the TERF lesbians of the MLM gay community. They believe that gay trans men, especially nonbinary trans men and autistic trans men, are straight female fetishizers trying to invade the gay community.
TEHMs often come after transmasculine fans of yaoi anime, queer fanfiction, and yes, RPF. TEHMs will claim that the fact that transmasculine people tend to be in fandoms with a lot of M/M ships somehow "proves" that we are just fetishizing. So. Fucking. Many. Of the most common anti-RPF arguments use TEHM talking points, either intentionally or unintentionally.
TEHMs make use of dogwhistles to spread their messages even to people who are often trans-inclusionary. Claims of fetishizing MLM relationships are more often than not TEHM dogwhistles. A very common claim that I see among people who are VERY anti-RPF (not as in "i do not think RPF is good, but i don't really care all that much", but more as in "if you have ever read RPF in your life you should die") is that RPF is basically sexual assault.
Why would you accuse an entire fandom of young, queer, transmasculine people of sexually assaulting people who are usually 20+ years older than them? This is TEHM rhetoric.
I also want to touch on the ableism a little. Many RPF writers are neurodivergent, as one might expect. The majority of the ones I've interacted with are. The internet loves to get mad at neurodivergent people for having "problematic" interests, and with RPF it is no different.
We are singled out and our interests are seen as inherently disordered, immoral, etc. Those who are very strongly against RPF either do not know this, or they know this and are fine with harassing neurodivergent people over what amounts to a non-issue.
Now, that's the end of my point, but I have a few things to clarify. I am not trying to say that if you personally don't like RPF that you are actually transphobic, homophobic, and/or ableist. You are allowed to dislike anything for any reason and I don't care. My problem is with the people who hate RPF so much that they believe that reading it is a moral failing, or that it is okay to harass those that like it.
It is incredibly important to have boundaries writing RPF, which means not doing it anywhere that it is likely the people you are writing about will see. It is also okay to believe that RPF is inherently breaking a boundary; I disagree, but I see where your (not at anon) opinion is coming from and I respect it. It is not at all bigoted to dislike a thing for those reasons, as they are valid reasons to dislike something.
There is also a larger discussion to be had about the commodification of humans themselves in the music industry, but that is beyond the scope of this post.
I really only have a problem with the people who believe that it is a moral failing, or literal sexual assault, to be in a mostly harmless community that has been historically associated with queerness. That is all.
Please don't bring proship/anti discourse to this post.
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the-delta-quadrant · 2 months
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it's concerning and disgusting seeing some marginalised people use the language of the oppressor by calling other marginalised people talking about their experience "identity politics" or saying stuff like "you wanna be marginalised/oppressed so bad" or "you're over-identifying with your marginalised identity".
yeah, i'm so over-identifying as trans because it's totally not something that shapes my every day life. yeah, i wanna be so oppressed and marginalised for being fat because fat people aren't actually oppressed or marginalised. yeah, when disabled people talk about their disabilities, it's "identity politics" but when abled people talk about anything is just "politics".
this is often in response to marginalised people being crappy and using their marginalisation as an excuse, think cis people going "i'm a neurodivergent lesbian minor, so i shouldn't face consequences for sending trans people death threats".
but there's a way to address people weaponising their marginalised status without denying that marginalised status. this is not a case of neurodivergent lesbian minors "wanting to be oppressed". they are oppressed. neurodivergent people are marginalised in our society, so are lesbians, so are children. a marginalised person behaving badly doesn't suddenly take their marginalisation away. this isn't a case of "over-identification", it's a case of using the marginalisation to excuse being crappy.
but it is vital that we address this without framing people as not marginalised just because they're doing something shitty. we need to acknowledge that marginalised people are absolutely capable of being shitty and oppressive while also being marginalised.
denying a shitty person's marginalised status does nothing at all to the person themself but actively harms other members of the marginalised group because you're just saying their oppression isn't actually real based on one bad apple. this is the shit our oppressors do.
if you see someone use their marginalised status as an excuse for shitty behaviour and your immediate response is to deny they're marginalised at all and only focus on how they're privileged, then it looks like you haven't understood intersectionality. marginalisation and privilege on different axes commonly exist within the same person. my marginalised identities don't erase the privilege that i have, but the privilege i have also doesn't erase the marginalisation and oppression i experience. abledness doesn't undo the marginalisation of fatness and fatness doesn't undo the privilege of abledness. transness doesn't undo the privilege of whiteness and whiteness doesn't undo the privilege of whiteness.
also, i'm absolutely allergic to the phrase "you just wanna be oppressed so bad", because it has a history of being used against bi+ people, ace and aro people and enbies to frame us as nonqueers invading queer spaces, as well as being used against self-diagnosed neurodivergent people and fat people, whose oppression supposedly doesn't exist.
there's no such thing as "appropriating marginalisation" for marginalised people because they're already marginalised. again: language of the oppressor. there is only people misusing their marginalised status to distract from their shitty behaviour and their privilege.
if you can't call out a neurodivergent lesbian minor for using those identities as an excuse to be horrible and oppressive without implying none of these are real marginalised identities, you're just doing further harm to marginalised people. there's nothing wrong with having identities, only with using them as an excuse.
especially if you yourself aren't marginalised in the way the person you're calling out or in is, you need to be mindful of your privilege over them, because too many cis people can't call out trans people without being transmisic and too many thin people can't call out fat people without falling into fatmisic ideas. as shown by the fact that every time a cis person tries to "correct" me on something, they immediately misgender me as a "dude" or a "girl" or other famously "gender neutral" terms.
if intersectionality is about how different identities interact with and affect each other, then it's also about acknowledging that some people are privileged in some ways while being marginalised in others. if someone uses their marginalisations to mask their privilege, the response cannot be to deny that the person is marginalised at all because they are also privileged. you cannot claim that one disabled person's marginalisation isn't real without automatically saying that disability is never a real marginalisation and harming all disabled people in the process. disability is always a marginalised identity, it just looks different depending on how privileged or marginalised you are on other axes. the response to marginalised people weaponising their marginalisation to distract from shitty behaviour cannot me "weaponising their marginalisation, but the other way, by claiming it's not real", that is oppressor logic, to "side with" a marginalised group until one of them does something bad and then acting like their oppression was never real.
it's important to actually acknowledge that marginalised people aren't a monolith and are absolutely capable of crappy and even oppressive behaviour (you know, like every other group who isn't constantly dehumanised and actually afforded nuance) instead of denying someone's marginalised status because it doesn't fit your narrative of "REAL marginalised people could never do anything wrong".
the response is to call out or in people behaving badly and actually trying your darndest to not be queermisic, racist, ableist or fatmisic in the process.
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ira-407 · 1 year
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PDA Has No Place Within Neurodiversity
Something you’re likely to come across in online autistic self-advocacy spaces is PDA-otherwise known as pathological demand avoidance, or to some, pervasive demand for autonomy. This is not a new idea-in fact, it has been present in the field of psychology since at least the 1980s, before the neurodiversity movement began in earnest. You can see discussion of PDA in autistic spaces from the late 90s-including skepticism of the idea. It is not an official diagnosis listed in the DSM or the ICD. Some people want it to be. It is considered by some to be part of the autism diagnosis, much like PDD-NOS and Asperger’s, which used to be separate diagnoses in the DSM-IV. I’m unsure whether these advocates wish for PDA to be like that or for it to appear under autism. I think either way, it is not a good idea. There are several reasons why I am against the idea of PDA. I think the condition itself is too broad and more importantly, I am afraid of the implications behind it.
The way I see PDA described leaves open a lot of room for interpretation. This could lead to an overdiagnosis (or false diagnosis altogether), though that’s not so much of a concern of mine as it is that there are many reasons why someone may refuse demands or ignore obligations. It could be as simple as executive dysfunction-which I believe is diagnostic criteria for autism and ADHD. People describe PDA as extreme anxiety someone feels when given a task to complete. Again, there are several possible explanations for this behavior-simply chalking it up to “PDA” doesn’t really tell you much. Ok, someone tends to avoid demands-perhaps to a disabling degree-but I feel like the reason for that goes much deeper than just calling it PDA. A lot of things I do probably qualify as PDA to those who believe in it. I have a harder time than most staying on task or starting something I have to do. Also, no, framing it as a “pervasive demand for autonomy” does not change anything. If I don’t want to do something I’m asked to do, it’s definitely not because I only ever do things I want to do. It can sometimes mean that, but it still hardly qualifies as “PDA”. So this leads me to my next point, the implications of PDA.
There are two main concerns I have with the implications behind a PDA diagnosis or label. Not only do I think it’s not specific enough, I am worried about how people use it as an excuse for genuinely shitty behavior. While this does happen with a number of disabilities, including autism, the broadness of PDA, as I previously described, only accentuates this. I’ve already seen it happen. I’ve seen somebody accuse people for their “PDA acting up” simply for not addressing an issue to their satisfaction. That leads me to the second issue-how staff could (and likely already do) use it against people in their care. Pathologization already leads to this in institutional settings. If, hypothetically, someone with a diagnosis of PDA doesn’t stick to their behavior plan, or generally just doesn’t follow directions, the staff could just shrug it off as PDA instead of thinking more critically about the actual cause of their behavior. Alternatively, they could use that against them. This is far from an unrealistic expectation. This already happens with other disabilities. This would just make it worse. Calling it a “pervasive demand for autonomy” would yield the same result. This is also the issue with Cluster B Personality Disorders, which are actual diagnoses. The psychiatric system exists to pathologize and strip people of their self-determination. This isn’t to say the entire DSM is invalid-just that there's a severe power imbalance at play here.
There are traits that are distinctively neurodivergent. Even then, just chalking behaviors up to diagnosis is unhelpful. However, there’s enough evidence that a neurodivergent brain works differently from a neurotypical brain to justify calling it autism, ADHD, tourettes, etc. PDA is not that. It reeks of Asperger’s and PDD-NOS. I thought we were done using Asperger’s? Apparently the only reason why many people don’t like Asperger’s is simply because of Hans Asperger possibly being a nazi and not for the actual issue with it-which was the false sense of hierarchy and separatism that came with it. Supporting the use of PDA is proof of that.
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aestherians · 2 years
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I’m chronosian and I’d like to say to the anti-chronosian anon that their arguments just don’t make any sense.
Technically every label is unneeded. There’s no reason that we need to label anything. But what you don’t understand is that labels aren’t for other people, they’re for yourself. When I found chronosian I finally felt like I knew myself, like I had a sense of identity. That’s what labels are for. To put a word to the experience. And in the situations that they are about other people, they’re about using that label as an identifier to find more people like yourself. That’s important. Honestly if you can’t understand all that, I don’t know what to tell you.
You say chronosians are “disillusioned” with non age dysphoric people and bodily age. But that’s simply not true. Since I’m in the community I know how it is. I know the ins and outs. We’re not like the transage community we know about the consequences of our identity, we know how to handle these things. You’ve seen some idiots who don’t know what they’re doing, so what? They’re bad apples in every group of people. That doesn’t give you the right to generalize us and spread blatant false information.
And yeah, many people are age dysphoric because of trauma, and many because of alterhumanity, or neurodivergency, etc. but it’s not up to you to decide how they cope with and/or express those things. There are bad coping mechanisms, yes. But this is not one of them. For the last time, we are not pedos, we are not using this to excuse shitty behavior. It is simply an identification label. It’s not that big a deal. If iding as chronosian helps someone, or they enjoy it, there’s nothing wrong with that. It’s no skin off your or anyone else’s back.
I mean all this in an educational and non bad faith way, but I want to leave off by saying that I’ve noticed a pattern in your arguments. You base them all around yourself- your opinions and life experiences. I don’t think the label or community is important. I’ve seen some of those people in the wrong. I don’t think that’s good for them. Please, please, please, I’m begging you, understand that other people’s identities aren’t about you. You can’t project your opinions and life experiences into other peoples lives. They apply to you and no one else. You can’t generalize and slap accusations on people because of them. No one has the power to make that decision for everyone. It’s not subjective. Please educate yourself on the topic in a more in depth and objective way if you want to speak on it. Or if you can’t do that, then please just mind your own business. We’re happy with our label, with our identity. It’s improved our lives, and we’re not hurting anyone. That’s all that matters.
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I know this ask wasn't directed at me, but rather at the anon, but I'd feel remiss if I didn't write something, since this is going out through my blog.
Identity labels may be primarily for self-identification, but they do also exist for signalling purposes, as you briefly pointed out. I don't know the ins and outs of the chronosian community, of course. I don't know how you distance yourselves from the transage community (which it sounds from this ask like you do).
But age is something very unlike any other identity you can form a community around. It doesn't signal your wants or needs, it specifically signals how much life experience you have and how able you are to make informed and responsible decisions for yourself. For this reason I hope you take vetting seriously.
I still maintain that radical acceptance doesn't sound like a good idea in this case (not that it sounds like you're in favor of radical acceptance, I'm just making clear where I stand). Age is something entirely different from sexuality, gender, species, or ability.
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ineedpeacenquiet · 3 months
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The thing that I'm still learning to accept is that neurotypical people will never fully accept you, or at least they will if it's on their terms.
I find when I meet someone and I end up trusting them enough to tell them I'm autistic, they instantly hit me with the "Oh, that's okay! I accept you!" thing, and then BAM! The next minute, or as soon as I start exhibiting my autistic behaviours (almost as if I actually have autism), they no longer accept me or like me! One minute I'm being put on this pedestal by the neurotypical person, then the next, I'm totally thrown under the bus.
Now, the first thought I have when this happens is: "What did I do wrong?" I automatically think I've offended them or done something that they don't vibe with. The tricky part, for me at least, is understanding where I went wrong or what I did to make them hate me so much. I will always ask out of curiosity so that I can learn from my mistakes, apologise, move on, and then learn from them. I don't get shitty when someone gives me CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. But the thing is, they never tell me what I've done wrong... So, I just assume they hate me and I don't know why. First emotion: Confusion - "Why do they hate me when one minute they were taking me to MacDonald's and telling me their whole life story?". Second emotion: Sadness... I've just lost another friend (at least that's what I considered them.) The third emotion is anger. I don't need to emphasise on that.
Now, what I've seen on TikTok from a lot of autistic creators, such as Paige Layle, and Morgan Foley, just to name a few, is that they also have experienced the same thing - especially when dealing with neurotypical people (or even other neurodivergent people). Now, I'm NOT saying ALL neurotypical people are bad people. That would be complete bullshit. No, what I'm saying is that a lot of neurotypical people don't have that much understanding or education on neurodiversity (especially autism, ADHD, dyspraxia, dyslexia, etc.) And that's not because they're bad people, they're just not like us. But then the same can be said about us - we are not like them, no matter how much we mask. Therefore, when someone without autism (for example), meets an autistic person who is "high-masking", they may notice there's something "off" about the person but be unaware of what it is, so naturally, they reject it (out of fear maybe?).
That being said, that does not excuse the mistreatment of disabled people. That does not justify the "average autistic experience", whereby, one is bullied, rejected, ignored, invalidated and abused just for being autistic.
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buddyapologist · 5 months
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just ranting about ableism and such <3
i have this thing where i Have to see the sides of every issue even when one side is absolutely reprehensible, not in terms of justification but in terms of working backwards to see how someone could come to this reprehensible conclusion, because it's grotesquely fascinating to me how people can start from a relatively milquetoast point A and end up at some disgustingly bigoted horrible point Z. anyway it isn't bigotry but the way "both sides" (if there even are only 2) treat the argument of "mental illness as an excuse" is so fucking frustrating because i can see exactly where people come from and exactly which conclusions make sense and which ones are absolutely bonkers.
mental illness can cause serious disruptions in someone's life in ways that might hurt them and/or other people, but neurotypical people will also accidentally hurt themselves and/or other people. it changes how we perceive the world and our relationships with others and that can make us act based on a perspective that isn't always based on reality. it can make us behave erratically, lash out over what seems like nothing, be terrified of things that don't seem like they should be terrifying, completely shut down and withdraw from stressful situations. neurotypical people will also sometimes do this. to paraphrase another tumblr user, neurodivergence/mental illness is not "traits that only we have and nobody else", it's when certain traits are exaggerated to the point that it interferes with your life.
it really really really fucking frustrates me when random people will allegedly pin their really shitty behavior on addiction and mental illness. because yes, those things can make us do awful stuff! i have done horrible shit while i was addicted and when i was in bad spaces mentally. but every time someone is like "sorry for being racist i have anxiety" it adds to reasons our debilitating disorders don't get taken seriously. you can just be sorry. i'm so fucking sick of people who get called out for being predators or bigots or scammers or just huge assholes and they throw us under the bus in some attempt to excuse their bullshit when it literally never does, it just makes us look worse. a certain celebrity who i won't name apparently has bipolar disorder and is also a raging antisemite. those two things are not related! there are tons of people with bipolar disorder who are NOT raging antisemites!
and these fucking bullshit notes app apologies are SO different from like, apologizing to your friend. if you're a dick to your friend bc of some aspect of your illness and they call you on it it totally makes sense to go "i'm sorry i behaved that way, sometimes having x disorder makes me act a certain way and i'm sorry i took that out on you, i'll do better next time". bc that's NEVER how shitty scammer racist influencers phrase it. they think that they can pass off their bullshit by claiming that they're mentally ill and that makes it okay. neurotypicals will go off with their usual chant of "mental illness is an explanation but not an excuse" and "mental illness is your responsibility" and those aren't even incorrect but i'm so fucking sick of it because WE KNOW. NEURODIVERGENT PEOPLE KNOW THIS. the only people who act like that are people who use our very real very serious conditions that have MORTALITY RATES to try to pass off their behavior. nobody is breaking any new fucking ground when they say this shit. it's the same thing over and over and over again and it's so fucking exhausting as a neurodivergent person whose mental problems have severely fucked with their life and their relationships.
and then neurodivergent people who give them the benefit of the doubt may be like "you're gatekeeping mental illness by saying that these people don't have it" but the thing is, yeah maybe they do actually have it, but i don't care. i do not fucking care. i don't care if racist youtuber #2846 has every diagnosis under the sun, it has no business being in some half assed apology their manager made them post because being racist or any other shitty thing is separate. and i do genuinely understand why people will get mad about people like me saying this stuff, bc a lot of neurodivergent people deal with medical gatekeeping and aren't given proper help or diagnoses bc of poverty or gender or race or just the environment they're in, and that does suck. but i'm not talking about those people. i'm talking about dipshits who try to use it as an excuse while definitely knowing nobody will let them off the hook if they blame depression or whatever. literally all it does is make us look worse.
this is an extremely long rant that nobody will read, i just had to get it out of me before i explode <3
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mangodestroyer · 11 months
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Idk, I feel like I've been around toxic people for so long, that I maybe started picking up on some of their behaviors.
I mean, maybe it's not entirely a bad thing. I used to be quite a pushover. Panicking over whether or not I was doing the right thing, getting stuck morally whenever someone asked for help, even if it pushed my boundaries/exceeded my limitations (and so I ended up bitterly doing so anyway), avoiding conflict as much as possible because I had no ability to handle it or stand up for myself and would quickly see myself as being in the wrong, feeling guilty about things that really aren't my problem, etc.
I had zero confidence or faith in myself. Thought that I was someone who needed to be led instead of taking charge of things. It's sort of how I grew up. I remember being punished for "stepping out of line", not being listened to when I pointed out an injustice. And there was also the fact that, when I was treated for my neurodivergent condition, I was made to feel like an asshole for having it and was taught to put others feelings ahead of my own. So if someone misinterprets something I say or do, it's my fault. I hurt them/made them uncomfortable and their actions were justified. It almost felt like people thought I was a bad person for being ND. So I thought the bullying I received at school and from my brother was justified. I mean, I should feel lucky that anyone puts up with me, right? I'm stupid, selfish, and quite literally have nothing going for me. So I'm lucky if anyone spends the time of day with me and puts up with how much trouble I cause.
And holy SHIT. Having a mindset like that will quickly set you up for failure as an adult. Anyone who has it in them to take advantage of you will fucking do so. You will ALWAYS be treated like crap and quickly find yourself becoming the punching bag in every situation. You will have no friends because you never put yourself out there. So that will only make you more of a target. Only the worst romantic partners will go for you: the ones who just want someone who they can mold and control/treat like total crap. You will be given the worst tasks at work and be treated like the scum of the Earth. Hell, I've straight up seen people get this weird, gleeful look on their face when they realize how easy it was to push me around. Like, they wanted to see how far they could go with it.
And I guess at some point, something snapped in me and I realized that I was ruining my life putting up with such shitty people all the time. Now, I literally get this, "How dare they!?" attitude whenever someone slights me. I give it back. I no longer give people the benefit of the doubt and I'd only see myself as the asshole if it's very obvious I did something horrific (i.e. doing something like bully the fuck out of someone who literally did nothing wrong, which I don't even do). I'll leave for something better without any qualms if I don't like how something is going. You can't guilt trip me into putting up with shit anymore.
The only downside is that it sometimes feels like I lost my compassion and just see the worst in humanity. It's just hard for me to assume that someone I'm meeting for the first time will be a good person, so I keep my guard up. I'm much more careful now with how much of myself I put out there. I'm extra careful about not seeming vulnerable. Oddly enough, it's a lot easier for me to socialize now. People seem to like this new version of me more. Even though I feel like more of an asshole at times (or maybe I'm just not used to having boundaries).
And again, I don't worry myself over certain issues anymore because some things really aren't my problem/something I can change. And whenever I hear a toxic person tell me their life story, idgaf. I no longer use it to excuse their shitty behaviors. And even though it can be hard to hear that someone messed up because of some bad decisions, again, if they're toxic, idgaf. Especially if it was so obvious that what they did was stupid and even worse, they want others to also fail like they did/can't be happy for other's happiness. It's really draining to be around someone like that.
Can anyone else relate?
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phantomphangphucker · 2 years
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Phic Phight - Compilation Consideration
For: @princessfanonanona @floralflowerpower @voidgremlinguege @ghostgothgeek @catalystofthesoul @crazydragonady @welcome-tothe-mystery-shack @zomb1e-teeth @conceiteddemon @summerssixecho @skarlettskwrl @faedemon @kiinotasha @ghostboidanny @ave-aria @grubchen0217 @animationadventures @andoms-sience-assholery
Good old fashion jokes, or as the kiddos say ‘memeing’ 🤙🏻🤪 just a little bit… spooky 👻
Amity Park was something of a nightmare town, plagued by the dead and all that.
But seeing as the vast majority of the dead fucks that did said plaguing weren’t exactly… life-threatening so much as potentially life-threatening and/or just kinda annoying, the whole thing very quickly became more of a ‘Not this shit again’ and even comedic. Mocking outsiders for freaking the fuck out was a beloved pastime by all. It also caused some serious memeing and a complete disregard for personal safety; because really? if a giant speaking wasp ain’t gonna off you then what makes anyone think jumping off a rooftop will either?
The adults of the town, at least the more normal ones, really freaked out during the ‘when people with iron deficiency stand up’ trend due to the town's teens using it as an excuse to limply and stiffly fall off of increasingly concerning and dangerous things. Particularly one where someone fell off of an intersection streetlight directly on to a moving cop car. And then someone else went and chucked themselves off of the side of a mountain while on vacation which turned into a whole investigation from the Jasper Canadian police force.
And the existence of meme-centric rapid-fire quick serotonin fix websites didn’t exactly… help. But hey, at least most shit was regular funny shit, right? And stayed in Amity largely.
Like everyone and their mother got a kick out of the vine with the dude being chased by the Box Ghost over the tune of ‘s.o.s please someone help me’. And “WHICH ONE OF YOU FUNKY FREAKS DID THIS!!!” Shouted over top of the Fenton GAV driving by blaring ‘they see me rollin’, they’re hatin, patrollin’” that went locally viral. Course there was the other really popular Fenton one with footage of Jack and Maddie crashing through the school wall over the sound of ‘OPEN UP SHITHEAD! 🤪”. The “I am a box ghost cow: mOoOoOoOoOoOoOo BEWARE” sound was also pretty popular. Honestly, anything with the Fenton parents or the Box Ghost was bound to be a good fun time, generally light-hearted too.
Some of the vines were just frankly normal if you ignored certain things and these ones usually saw more outside of Amity popularity. Like Danny Fenton showing off his probably neurodivergency-influenced doom piles except every single one had some kind of weapon noticeably in it. More than a few shaky videos of the local goth kids dying their hair in public bathroom sinks, though that one caused some mild discourse about how alt folks dyed their hair. Well over a hundred videos of people doing the mouth hat flip trick with ever-increasingly weird hats, they always landed on their heads somehow. One video caught Phantom in the background and the town gossip instantly became that the ghost was using his telekinesis to ‘help everyone along’. And multiple videos of the G.I.W. trying to interrogate people about ghosts only to get the response of ‘I’m alive, you’re a really shitty detective”, because who doesn’t love mocking the government. That was the same reason the one with one dude dressed as a G.I.W. agent in a car with another dude dressed like stereotypical hitchhiker with said fake G.I.W. making the simple yet concerning comment of “yeah what’s the chance of us both being mass murderers” and a very now shocked hitchhiker, went pretty viral; pretty much only Amity Parker’s knew it was referencing the G.I.W.s thing for torture though.
The sheer amount of vines involving employees jumping into the Nasty Burger sink full of water or using the sauce to create explosions were legendary, and no one talks about the plague that was comical ‘sexy’ poses with the duck face in full force or the sexy full body furry grinch, Shrek, and sloth suits trend. Those last ones were pretty weird and really made zero sense to the adult population of even Amity. Which was saying something.
Though weird wasn’t exactly uncommon. There’s a mystery someone who posts nothing but grunge aesthetic hand thirst traps; the occasional ectoplasm burns being the only sign that this person was, in fact, an Amity Parker. The very viral video of the entire Casperhigh cafeteria full of teens screaming singing ‘IM A MATERIAL GURL’ in complete chaos. The Fenton boy was standing on a table. Multiple guys were in dresses. And at least one teacher had their head in their hands and looked to be having a mental breakdown; this teacher was later confirmed to actually be Mr. Lancer who very clearly had been thinking that he was severely underpaid… which wasn’t even wrong in all honesty. The Slomo of someone showing off their hand-made long furby with spider legs over church music was an… interesting one. Everyone knew Sam was responsible for that one considering it was later used in a video to scare the absolute crap out of Pamela Manson; not a soul felt any sympathy for that entitled woman.
Some were just… concerning vaguely:
Like the montage of the football bros fleeing an underaged party in slow-mo with the types of party bros they were, from ‘the one who’s calling coach confessing everything’ to ‘the one who accidentally stabbed themselves’. Which alone was kinda concerning, all things considered, but then someone ‘responded’ with a shaky faraway shot of Fenton running down the street with eleven bottles of liquor in his arms with the text “the one who grabs the stash”. Which was definitely concerning and had more than a few concerned adults talking about it, mostly non-Amity adults though since that went slightly viral and every Amity adult dismissed the Fenton boy's weirdness. Fenton responding himself with the audio “yeah let’s go get drinks because I’m tryna get as wasted as my ✨potential✨”; absolutely did not help any concerns.
The whole saga that Jazz started when she reacted judgmentally to one of Spike dancing along to ‘if you feel depressed and misunderstood, whatcha gonna do? REPRESS IT’ in the tune of the ghost buster theme song. Which of course got Danny to respond by dancing along to ‘when you wanna confront your childhood, are you ready for a breakthrough? NO REPRESS IT’ and then Sam followed suit doing one to ‘I’m too apathetic to book myself therapy’ and Tucker one to ‘I push all my problems down until they go away’ and Val completes it with one to ‘repressing makes me feel nothing’ tune. Course Wes then showed up with ‘one day I’ll explode’ totally ruining the whole thing.
Which leads into all the Danny-specific ones which were ridiculously numerous, occasionally making people question his sleep schedule or if this shit is what he’s dodging out of class for. His very first vine being him nonchalantly saying: “so I got stabbed once and I laughed in the guy's face. He ran away” and looking very smug, was probably a sign of what was to come. Including but not limited to frequent random death/murder jokes like: “what’s the straightest thing you’ve ever done. *Prolonged sigh* I killed a guy” and then wheezing in laughter. To Valerie kissing him muttering, “now I’ll show you how to properly kiss a bottom”. Danny looking slightly scared all the while. To Danny diving face-first into many many things but most notably the one with him stiff as a board diving into a basket of rubber chickens, the squeaking was legitimately horrifying. Some weren’t of Danny but just taken by him, like the candid video of Vlad muttering, “maybe I should start a cult”, to himself before immediately panning to a worried and befuddled-looking Danny Fenton. That one started a town-wide trend of cult-like chants of ‘EAT THE RICH’ being shouted around Mayor Vlad Masters; much to the man’s annoyance. It was also followed up by a shaky vine of Vlad stuffing a flailing Danny into a duffel bag and just WALKING OFF into the sunset. The collection of Danny video bombing people with a bottle of mayonnaise was what finally resulted in Amity fully realising that Danny was actually a whole ass gremlin child. The one with Danny walking out of a flaming bathroom to the sound of “a performance was demanded of me and now I have delivered. ENCORE”, arms out grandly and preening like a peacock; really cemented the gremlin child title though. All his vines of him just FINDING CORPSES and him posing ridiculously next to them got taken down so fast that people couldn’t save or share them, which was honestly for the best because some menace behavior should just not be encouraged.
People also made lots of vines featuring Danny, the kid was fucking weird alright? And honestly? All the ones of crows and blob ghosts just following the kid like a personal army or giving him shit or him siccing them on people, were the least weird.  The shaky one of him leading an army of ecto-wieners followed up by another of him damn near force-feeding Dash a bottle of mustard, were proof of just how weird the vines of Danny-but-not-made-by-Danny were. And that particular vine was followed by tons of food fight ones which inevitably turned into #meattornado vines. Lancer was, once again, in the background of a lot of these looking like he was actively awaiting the sweet release of death.
And of course who could forget all the ghost-centric ones that outsiders almost always wrote off as faked or just really good editing/costume design.  Some were really silly, like Phantom’s little stunt in front of a horde of ghosts singing Eminem’s ‘so you can suck my dick if you don’t like my shit’. And all the ones of people just reacting to the “ghosts aren’t real” comments with slapping the camera back and forth to the beat of Cotten eye joe. And of course the one with thirty people cosplaying different Amity ghosts dancing to the tune of ‘I ain’t afraid of no ghosts’ in the park that probably took way more effort to set up than it was really worth. There were of course tons that were just Phantom, especially when Jack Frost was the popular tumblr sexy man, “Is this Jack Frost?” then, without fail, showing an unsuspecting Phantom, who’d conjure up some ice and cackle after a beat; clearly the ghost wasn’t bothered by the comparison. Some folks did start throwing it around in all seriousness, legitimately theorising that maybe Phantom actually was Jack Frost.  And of course whenever Phantom seemingly discovered a new power that got vined to death, especially since the ghostly teen always sucked at controlling whatever it was. His teleportation was especially funny since he’d just randomly show up in some really random places, like one Vine where Dash had been working on some car and had been trying to show off opening the lid only for Phantom to just poof into there tangled in all the metal bits; scared the crap outta the kid. The town, and Phantom, discovering that he could just teleport Amity or parts of Amity into the ghost zone caused a massive slew of vines of pure chaos with teens shouting, “THIS IS FINE! EVERYTHING IS FINE” with green sky visible in the background and others of Phantom shouting, “OH MY GOD IM SO SORRY😬”. Every single one went locally viral much to the embarrassment of the teen ghost. Meanwhile, the ghost taking a freaking field trip to Jupiter apparently, a lot of what the fuck’s there, and making vines of the cool shit there were more of a worldwide viral thing especially since they weren’t actually debunkable even with people writing them off because Phantom was a freaking ghost and not wearing any kind of spacesuit.
Some actually had ghosts in them that weren’t Phantom. Mainly people shouting “bitch come at me” at random ghosts, but also clips shouting “daddy😩” at those same ghosts. And someone went and convinced Poindexter to ‘act scary’ while the teen flashed a strob light at him in a bid to get out of his detention early; the whole thing did actually look slightly creepy with the teen ghosts monochromatic appearance and did successfully get the human teen out of Mr. CampBell’s detention day, that teacher had a very weak will. A great many of clips of Twenty One Pilots “my name’s blurry face” got placed over basically every single piece of footage of ghosts to ever show their faces in Amity.  The audios were almost always hilarious actually and did see some use outside of Amity, from: “Look at this alt f4’d motherfucker” to “Awww what a cute looking blobby. GOD IS DEAD AND WE KILLED HIM” to the slightly less popular “You’d probably mess up your toast, if ten thousand angry ghosts, lunged at your face”. Even The Box Ghost got one in with the “W-what are you doing in my house?!? I want boxes” audio that got pasted on every video where the Box Ghost was inside literally any building which just turned into when animals got inside people's houses. The “New ghost shows up. Customary two minutes of mourning BECAUSE THEY'RE DEAD and resume chaos” was also weirdly popular even if that one was pretty explicitly Amity.
The one where someone caught a mini female Phantom ‘attempting’ aka trying and failing spectacularly to skateboard in Paris reaching Amity caused an absolute ton of teens to vine their skateboard skills and @‘ing them at Phantom to ‘show his kid because there is no way that is not the ghosts kid’; Phantom was reportedly very touched and even made a vine thanking people followed by many many ones of the girl -who was apparently named Elle- trying out the tricks all over the world. It was outright touching and sweet in everyone’s opinion, even if Phantom apparently having a kid caused some chaos.
On the flip side of adorable comfort vines was that notable time that everyone got really into Aztec death whistles and started scaring the crap outta the ghosts with them… and the cops.
But the one that really scared a ghost good was shot at the beach… where at least thirty people had gathered in the water and just started screaming and slamming their faces into the water. The close-up of Skulker’s horrified face in the sky was meme’d to death immediately. The one with Kwan somehow inside of Walker’s prison looking scared and confused over the tune of  AJR’s ‘hello hello, I’m not where I’m supposed to be’ sacred the Hell out of the town though. Teen abduction was pretty alarming after all; an Instagram photo of the teen throwing up the peace sign with Phantom appeared damn near right after at least. Dash also followed up with “When that pre-workout shake got you feeling like you could fight Walker himself”; clearly mocking Kwan.
Halloween was a Hell of a time too, all the ghosts practically made the vines and memes and silly photos themselves! From shaky videos of ghosts breaking into places just to splatter around ectoplasm for the fuck of it to an absolute ton of different vines of the ghosts messing with the Box Ghosts hatred for all things circular. And Amity of course dealt with this by just joining in and upping the chaos, there was a lot of property damages. Someone even caught a video of Vlad Masters seemingly admiring a clearly blown-up building. There was a hot minute were the newest vines were nothing but ghostly sword fights involving flyswatters while Amity Parker’s screamed “SAVAGE” or “GOT ‘EM” after every hit. This all also lead to the discovery that ghost or ecto-peanut butter was a real thing and that Phantom was an absolute menace when armed with it; aka damn near everyone could to this day tell you that ecto-peanut butter tasted like vaguely burnt chia seeds and mustard due to Phantom basically shoving spoonfuls into every mouth he could while cackling, and yes it was repeatedly caught and turned into vines. It was some very sticky peanut butter.
Not all of them were happy fun times though. Phantom singing, “I’m not quite like them. I have no heart or brain” with a really Freakin’ pretty sunset in the background, or yet another one with Phantom where someone caught the ghost upsettedly wailing “I DIDN’T FEED ON PEOPLES EMOTIONS BEFORE! WHHHHHHYYYYY’ followed up by a lot of Vine clips of folks comforting a crying Phantom including one with a strange purple-cloaked blue-skinned ghost also comforting him; that caused so many rumours especially when it was later followed up by a somewhat silly vine of said cloak-wearing ghost covered in cake batter staring judgmentally at Phantom who was looking awkwardly at his phone saying “apparently I suck at baking comfort cakes and you can only try to remake a cake so many times before your teacher losses all faith in you”. Back on the more depressing note is all the montages of people dressing wounds over the tune of “cause we’re all fighters, and we’ve been so for a long time”. A weird amount of people found Danny’s “Walk into the family portal, it’ll give you ✨superpowers✨“ depressing since everyone and their mom knew about the teens title accident giving him a seriously weird strain of ecto-contamination.
Sometimes they were silly AND sad, like Phantom’s “This is a ghost's guide to dying. DON’T”; people not being too bothered by that one just highlighted how desensitised people were though. Other vine clips highlighted that even more, like the massive collection of different ones of Amity Parker’s going on ‘scary’ amusement park rides and rollercoasters while looking completely bored and/or pretending to sleep. Even one of a guy playing bejewelled while upside down on one. The “Quarantine restrictions lifted” trend, while funny, was also kinda sad since said restrictions were always lifted so fast that they might as well have never been put in place to begin with. They also spawned the very viral, “well folks apparently walking around with ectoplasm in your mouth screaming THE DECONTAMINATION ISNT WORKING isn’t a good idea”, with the Fenton GAV alarm blaring in the background.
But in the end, most were just silly goofy shit that horrified all the adults due to mostly teens doing questionable shit: shotgunning energy drinks, running full force into flaming dumpsters, attempting to swindle ghosts, breaking into G.I.W. vehicles, punching locker doors till they caved in, doing stick n’ poke tattoos. All in good, if reckless, fun; like memeing should be. The town being plagued by the spookies merely intensifying everything.
Phantom flying into a stop sign hard enough to remove it from the ground, transforming into Danny Freaking Fenton, and promptly saying “oop” at seeing whoever was pointing a phone at him, intensified everything so much that it broke the internet for multiple days.
But well, that’s Amity Park for you.
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Prompts: Vine Comp Fic: what are the shenanigans the Amity Park Citizens get up to? Danny has a break down after he starts feeding on human emotions. Its halloween time! And the ghosts are acting super rowdy! How will the citizens of amity park deal with this? Danny’s identity is revealed in the dumbest way. Peanut butter. Mr. Lancer doesn’t get paid enough for this. Danny discovers a new power and struggles to reconcile with/master it. Ever since the portal incident, most animals have been incredibly wary around Danny due to his pseudo-undead nature. Except for corvids, which have taken to flocking around him at all hours of the day. Neurodivergency! An unlikely alliance between a ghost and a student forms during detention. People around Amity park begin to notice blobs constantly trailing behind Danny Fenton. Ghosts are naturally drawn to death. When people die in Amity Park, Danny keeps finding the bodies. Danny giving or receiving comfort from Clockwork. Dani Phantom finds a skate park and learns how to use a skateboard Clockwork tries to teach Danny how to bake. As the Zone's newest Ghost King (*on a technicality), Danny inherits Pariah's ability to pull parts of Amity Park into the Ghost Zone, or vice versa. This is a problem, because like all of Danny's powers, there's a learning curve—and he can't quite control this one yet. Danny travels to Jupiter (Or Saturn, or Neptune, or some other extraterrestrial planet). Vlad kidnaps Danny in a phase-proof duffel bag. Optional: Vlad carries the bag with the strap across his torso for extra security because it’s my favorite carrying style. Unhinged/Feral Danny. go buckwild. (if he bites someone while undercaffinated all the better)
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Melissa Is A Bad Mom Because She Doesn't Worship Scott Enough"
https://princeescaluswords.tumblr.com/post/680068438475112448/can-i-ask-for-2-and-3-for-scott-and-stiles#notes
Here's another example of Scott McCall fans' blatant ableism, bias and double standard: 
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So, when Stiles takes cares of his dad and cooks him healthy food in canon is a sign of Stiles being "toxic", "possessive"  and "controlling". But when Scott brings his mom junk food and tells Melissa that he doesn't care about her feelings or love life because stalking and dicking Allison is much more important is a sign of Scotty being "nurturing"  and NOT AT ALL toxic, possessive or controlling in antis' book... 
And @princeescaluswords still wonder why everyone says he's a biased, ableist piece of trash who's bitter and obsessed with a neurodivergent hero with ADHD – to the point of twisting and/or erasing canon and demonizing Stiles in an attempt to prop Scott up 🥴
Also, to confirm once again that Scott/Posey stans are racist and don't give a shit about characters of color unless they can use them as self insert Scott cheerleaders, here's @princeescaluswords whining and hating on Melissa McCall – who spoilt, excused, promoted and coddled Scott throughout the whole series – just because Melissa didn't spoil, excuse, promote and coddle her shitty excuse of a son at the expense of everyone else enough for his liking: 
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He also thinks that Melissa is an exclusive property of Scott and that she needs Scott's permission to date whoever the fuck she wants, too: 
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Escalus is absolutely right about one thing, though; Scott McCall is canonically the type of whiny, toxic, possessive son who would punish his mom for not prioritizing his ego and temper tantrums above all else. Scott's also petty enough to consider Melissa dating Chris a "betrayal"  against him, because he's always equated love/friendship with ownership and submission (IE: Stiles Kira Allison Isaac Lydia Malia Corey Derek Melissa) and would take her refusal to do as HE says as rejection, demanding Melissa lets him control her life because "I AM A TRUE ALPHA! YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I CAN DO!" 
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oddly-okay · 3 years
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A lot of times I hear white people use adhd or autism as an excuse to continue supporting shitty content creator and I understand the impulse to say that but using neurodivergency as an excuse to be racist is still racist and feels like you're saying that your need to hyperfixate matters more than the rest of us. I also know that for me being told to just "care about something else" doesn't really work when I am hyperfixated.
Just from personal experience I would recommend:
Finding some core aspects of the fixation that appeal to you; genre, character archetype, art style ect, and then actively do research on an intersectional/inclusive artist who creates similar content
Sometimes revisiting an old hyperfixation helps me transition away from a destructive one. Going back to a familiar media can be like a safety blanket while avoiding a toxic one.
Unfollow and leave the online communities of the toxic media. You don't have to cut people off (hell get their email and maybe you'll get to be better friends) but steeping in the same content with people who encourage it won't help you move on.
If you have a therapist or close friend who isn't invested in the fixation actively talk to them about the change you're making. Externalizing things helps make it feel real and even if you just mention that you're moving on it can help, they might even have suggestions!
Lastly, acknowledge that you are going to be uncomfortable and actively tell yourself that it is worth being a better ally. Leaving a hyperfixation isn't easy, and no one is expecting you to be jazzed about it but you need to remind yourself that media has very real consequences for real people and you are navigating discomfort for a long term positive outcome.
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himboarcher · 3 years
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reasons i've seen folks say that grad critics hate grad:
they hate travis (in fairness, i’ve def seen some comments of people shitting on trav for the sake of shitting on trav, but it’s not super common and typically gets downvoted into oblivion on reddit.)
it's not balance / travis isn't griffin (???????)
they hate neurodivergent people (again, in fairness, i have seen a handful of comments that could come across this way! but most of the time when travis being ADHD or his NPD is brought up, it's by defenders saying that criticizing travis is ableist because he's neurodivergent or, in one particular comment, infantilizing him bc of it and literally comparing grad to putting a kid's artwork on the fridge. there were some comments early on that pointed to him being a narcissist as the reason for things people disliked about grad, but everyone seems to have realized that that's a shitty train of thought and left it behind.)
they're just toxic haters (again, there are a small handful of people like this because this is the internet, but the genuine criticism greatly outweighs their bullshit. i 100% think that the people, which is mostly just one dude who is also insufferable on reddit, who have been responding rudely to positive tweets under the episode announcements lately are out of line and need to stop. there's been an influx of that lately, presumably because people are frustrated that after over a year of grad going on, there's been no improvement to most of the major issues. that's still no excuse to be a dick to folks, though.)
vs some of the actual reasons i don't like grad:
the racism / racist tropes, and the way that they’ve straight up ignored this criticism and will likely never acknowledge it. pretty wild considering a core tenet of their brand is their willingness to acknowledge when they’ve messed up and do their best to course correct.
clumsy attempts at inclusion that are shallow and often end up being fairly offensive ("...ask me about my wheelchair," anyone?)
on a related note: i don't think that travis had bad intentions, but as an nonbinary person, it feels othering to me that travis only has enby characters give others their pronouns unprompted. i'm thinking specifically of kai here. having listened to their introduction, i don't think it's as bad or awkward as some people have said, but i can't remember travis ever having another NPC tell the PCs their pronouns, especially not a cis character. it's not a huge deal, but it's something that rubbed me the wrong way. admittedly, i don't think it would bother me so much if travis hadn't dropped the ball so much with performative inclusion in the past.
okay i'm putting the rest under a read more because even without getting into all of the problems i have with it, this got Long.
little to no player agency. player choices are ultimately meaningless and have little to no effect on the world. even when he seems to go along with a plan they come up with, it always ends with them having to go back to travis' pre-written script (see: subpoenaing the xorn, but not really because they had to go with travis' original plan of "send the xorn home through the rift".) the players repeatedly get told things about what they think or feel or what they've been doing to an unnecessary degree. fitzroy is the only one who really gets space to play and decide things for himself, and that's only because travis has decided he's the main character.
the NPCs are all too nice and willing to give the PCs anything they ask for and more, unless the PCs are trying to follow their own plan and then the NPCs are completely useless. but honestly, aside from gray, all of the NPCs are just.... nice. travis refuses to even let his antagonists be mean or cruel or even more than just slightly rude, because that'd be a bummer and we don't want that! the "twist" of gordy the lich king actually being polite and chill is not a twist at all because everyone is like that in this world. the NPCs are also wildly overpowered, but then suddenly absolutely useless when the PCs actually want their help.
too many cliffhangers that are dropped immediately at the beginning of the next episode. i feel bad for travis because so many of these cliffhangers actually set up good momentum and seemed like things were gonna get interesting, but almost every single time he just dropped them at the beginning of the next episode. like when althea showed up to interview the boys and the next episode started with travis being like "actually you went to sleep, she said she'll be back tomorrow!"
that time travis specifically said in his exposition dump that the thundermen left their horses behind because they thought the centaurs might be offended by them riding horses, only to later on rag on them for being surprised that the centaurs had horses they could ride.....
also the centaur arc in general, but i already listed racism above, so.
the way that the toxic positivity and parasocial tendencies in the mcelroy fandoms have made a large portion of the fandom take ANY criticism as a personal attack on travis and/or on themselves for enjoying something others consider bad, either morally or just quality-wise. it’s okay to admit that something you like has problematic elements or just isn’t as good as it once was. you can and should engage critically with the media you consume.
related to above: the way travis has handled genuine criticism, which is to throw public tantrums on his twitter or make weird passive aggressive tweets & ultimately ignore all the genuine criticism and advice he's been offered by claiming it's all subjective, even after he specifically asked for it and set up an email for folks to send in genuine, objective advice for him (after he threw a tantrum on twitter and replied to someone's criticism publicly, which resulted in his followers dogpiling on that person bc how dare they insult their internet best friend). while i was writing this last night, he actually announced that he’s taking a break from Twitter and acknowledged that he’s been using it as an echo chamber where he can easily get validation from folks, and honestly i’m happy for him that he’s recognized this problem and is stepping away for a while! i hope he’ll genuinely use this time to reflect on how he’s been behaving and find a more healthy way to use social media. i’m leaving this point in because i think his Twitter being such a positive echo chamber was encouraging him to do stuff like this, and him somewhat acknowledging his behavior doesn’t mean it can no longer be discussed.
rainer. extremely cool concept in theory and i was very into it until that awkward "does anyone want to ask about my wheelchair?" moment. also when travis had her use her mobility aid to RAM INTO A DOOR instead of just fucking knocking???? also all the times travis has tried to force a romantic relationship between her and fitzroy, despite fitzroy displaying no interest in her in that way. also, just to clarify: as an ace person, i don’t think this is aphobic! (and it’s kind of a stretch to call it that imo, especially since griffin never explicitly said that fitzroy's aromantic!) i just think it’s weird and awkward and a little uncomfortable for me personally, mostly because it reminds me of the times i’ve been in similar situations.
less of a problem than a lot of the other stuff and more just bad writing, but the forced emotional moments. in general, nothing in grad feels earned (why are the boys heading a war? when they have multiple actual heroes with combat experience on their side and a supposedly powerful secret organization? and the thundermen are like 21 years old max and have only had like ~10 fights in the entire campaign?) but there've been a couple times where travis has tried to force unearned emotional moments, presumably because he knows people enjoyed those with the last campaigns. but the difference is that in balance, the big emotional moments happened because they were earned. in grad, it's just travis throwing a baby pegasus at us for a few minutes and then the next time she shows up, it's supposed to be a tearful goodbye.
there are absolutely no stakes. remember when the thundermen got told that if they left, gray would kill 10 students? and then they left and came back and it turns out that what gray actually meant was, "i'll tie ten students who are mostly nameless NPCs to a tree and throw some dogs at them that you can easily stop in time, then throw a tantrum because how dare you but i'll leave before you can really do anything to hurt me lol" travis did have fitzroy's magic get taken away, but like. it didn't really do anything? also all he had to get it back was be coerced into using drugs by an authority figure and trip in the woods?
we're told that the school is weird and the hero system is corrupt, but the world of nua is still presented as more of a liberal utopia than anything? althea getting fired because of a corrupt villain is the only time we've somewhat seen corruption, but even then, she was still allowed to get (what seems to me, anyway, but admittedly i don't know for sure bc nothing about the HOG makes much sense) a fairly important job from the very people who stripped her of her hero license or whatever the fuck heroes need?
travis doesn't actually seem to understand how capitalism or bureaucracy works and just chalks up everything to "red tape." also more on the rest of the boys than him specifically, but the "let's destroy capitalism!" thing turning into just pushing some filing cabinets over................... okay.
and one last piece of extremely subjective criticism: it's just kind of.... boring. i think a lot of people, myself included, would be willing to overlook 90% of the problems with graduation if it didn't feel like such a slog to get through.
also people saying that we can't or shouldn't criticize graduation because it's "free" is absolutely absurd for several reasons. first, something being free does not make it above criticism. second, there ARE people who directly financially support the show with monthly donations. three, there's a difference between something being free and something being not for profit. podcasting is their full time job. they make their living off of money made from TAZ and MBMBAM (and probably their other shows to a lesser extent). this not a fun home game that they are graciously recording and sharing with us. it is a product they are producing that they make money off of, both from ads in the episodes and merch & books based off of these podcasts. they have marketed themselves as professionals, and both griffin and travis have been on panels where they are marketed as professional DMs and appear alongside other professional DMs (which makes it incredibly frustrating when people say that travis is just a newbie DM and we can't criticize him because of that. if he's a newbie, then he should not be taking part of panels as a professional DM where he speaks as an expert). TAZ is free in the same way that an episode of NCIS is free. i may not pay for it directly, but the creators are paid to create it and profit off of me consuming this product. so saying we should be grateful for any mcelnoise that the benevolent good boys share with us and that we're not allowed to criticize it "because it's free" is absolutely wild.
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hey i’m gonna stay on anon bc i don’t want that person to be able to claim ‘oh no that’s a lie’ but this person who made that fake article claimed to not really know how this would go over and also that cockles bloggers are weird and uh. i have a pretty well known cockles blog and they follow me. so. maybe it’s to make fun of me idk could be but at the VERY least they Know
oh mann yeah where to even begin oh boy,,,,,,i guess let’s just break it down, shall we??
other ppl have kindly informed me of the strange FAQ that this person’s written on their blog attempting to validate their shitty actions, but it’s a long list of what seems to be insults and non-apologies and vague-blogging about various asks i’ve answered on my blog which is weird because i literally blocked them as soon as i saw their fake post so clearly they’re still popping up here by other means ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  
unfortunately, it doesn’t seem like this person is capable of owning up to their actions and they have really poor excuses for everything they’ve done. they claim they can’t be ableist because they’re neurodivergent, and claim their actions can’t be hurtful to the queer community because they’re bisexual. they also say their actions couldn’t hurt the individual in question that they made a fake coming out post about because jensen apparently doesn’t use social media so it doesn’t matter if they’re out there slandering him because as long as everybody but him sees it, it’s totally okay. 
i don’t even have the energy to explain how super yikes this reasoning is. 
another fun thing they do to justify their actions is by talking about how great they are by mentioning how ‘ridiculously large’ (their exact words) that their follower count is and how ‘it’s not deflating any time soon’ which is always a great way to show one’s humility if your name is donald trump. unfortunately, since their presence was virtually unknown in this fandom just six months prior, the likelihood that they have a ‘ridiculously large’ amount of followers is slim to none. they also take time to answer every FAQ question with a mention of how weird cockles shippers are which shows how mature they definitely are and how well-versed they are in the concept of being respectful of other people’s fictional ships and interests.
lastly, they say they think their post is still funny and not harmful, and that they’re not backtracking. that must be really true considering a mutual just informed me that they just changed their url back to virginalbehemoth, no doubt hoping to hide from the consequences of their shitty actions. they also made sure replies for their FAQ are turned off so that no one can point out exactly how poorly worded their answers are.
tldr: they definitely got a lot of backlash and they definitely know they made a mistake, but instead of being a decent human being by acknowledging their actions and issuing a proper respectful apology, they’ve instead chosen to belittle anyone who approaches them with valid concerns which only continues to highlight how horrible their original post truly was 
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