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#anti hope mikaelson
imhereforthetryus · 6 months
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It would have made a much better story if hope was a weak witch if they had to make her a tribrid (or idk actually give hope a witch mother cause atp the only witches in her family that are contributing to her genes are her grandmother, and great (supposed to be native) ancestors it makes no sense how even if she has magic she’s powerful 😒)
atleast with some witches we know some are powerful enough to do anything and take down any enemy but their still mortal and slow (can be taken down if a werewolf or vamp speeds and sneak attacks them before they can react) and vice versa with werewolves and vampires their physically powerful but can be taken down by magic.
Her being a weak witch means we can see her struggle, threats/enemies actually mean something because then there no question of why cant hope do a [magical solution] to save the day. It would mean we get to see hope actually learn and grow in her identity. It means she has a flaw
But ig julie didn’t want her own reseeme to even have a hint of weakness, i mean seriously in addition to hope being powerful she’s also super intelligent. She’s has both brains and brawn all im asking is for a physical flaw not a personality or emotional one.
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ambroselaveau90 · 2 years
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I'm gonna be honest,Fuck this Klaus being in heaven bullshit.I cannot believe that Katherine Pierce,Vicki Donovan and Maria(The Traveler Witch) went to hell but Klaus Mikaleson went to Heaven after all the children he murdered?!
I'm sorry but there is no justice in the tvd universe.Klaus slaughtered people for just coughing and he gets go to heaven,if I was a deity of death,I would put his viking racist ass in deepest pits of hell where even the devil wouldn't go!
But you know what,this universe has made it that only white men can earn truly peace by sacrificing themselves in death or changing through love by one person while they treat everyone else shitty!I will say it again,the only mikaelsons who deserve peace is Finn,Rebekah and maybe Kol but the rest can go to the deepest pits!
But I'm glad,I don't have to see Hope's annoying bullshit and always making excuses for her murderous family anymore.I wish Hope met someone who lost their family by Klaus's hands and she learned how he slaughtered them minute by minute.I hope all the victims the Mystic Falls Gang and The Original Family killed are at peace because their abusers don't deserve peace at all.
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blue-green69 · 2 years
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On Bonnie, Klaus, and Darklina
I am mainly going to be talking about the shows with some references to the books for the people who haven't read them (Shadow and bone/ The Vampire Diaries/ The Originals)
In case you are not familiar, in shadow and bone Kirgan discovers a girl with immense power, he is also powerful himself, she has the definite potential to be his equal, he tries to manipulate and seduce her and those dynamics are explored.
I think General Kirigan and Klaus Mikaelson are pretty similar characters, in terms of them being the most powerful/oldest men in their respective universes, their cunning, knowledge, manipulative ways, and their quest for power. These two characters are not exactly the same but a fair comparison can be made between them. There is a difference in the sense that Kirigan is calculated when Klaus is calculated too but rash.
The reason I am making a comparison to these two characters is that I want to point out how badly The Vampire Diaries/ The Originals writers didn't give Klaus consistent/logical characterization and the depth he deserved. They did give him a great, understandable backstory but in my opinion, they failed to stay consistent with him as well as other characters. In the books, Klaus was 6,000+ plus years older and almost completely evil like a homelander-type evil.(Not similar in character but a similar capacity for evil) and in the shows, they made him more of a Loki/anti-hero which was a good choice on the writer's part. In my opinion, the things he did that kind of ruined his character in the shows were his relationship with Caroline, his inability to kill Elena even once, and the lack of representation of his wit and age(they kind of had him do the same old, threaten people in a British accent and be violent and it worked because joseph morgan is hot) and the birth of hope(miracle baby) and that whole redemption arc. Marcel was already Klaus's first son but their dynamic was filled with microaggressions and wasn't filled with justice and his death.
I really believe klonnie could have gone amazingly and stabilized Klaus and Bonnie's characters in a good way if the writers had any artistic vision and understanding of their characters, but they let their racism and over pandering to the fans destroying art, and their ability to story-tell, not exploring the fundamental desires of their characters made it a massive train wreck.
Bonnie and Alina's character fundamentals are also very similar.
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wearesociety · 2 months
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read here | the vampire diaries universe | bonnie/klaus | e | 12k words
His rich scent—spice rum and oak maybe? Surround her, as he places two fingers underneath her chin and raises her head to meet his gaze. Piercing ink-blue eyes stare into hers.
A warmth spreads on her skin.
He licks his lips. Senusal, it pulls at her gut. “It’s a maze until someone reaches out, then you're found.”
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Bonnie finds herself entangled with a man, she knows she won’t survive.
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klonnieshippersclub · 3 months
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Bonnie bennett as a headmistress in a supernatural school makes so much more sense then alaric understandably kat wasn't interested in returning as bonnie so that wasn't possible which is why legacies itself makes no sense they had nobody important wanting to return
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Here are some beautiful pics of Kat that I think gives headmistress!Bonnie.
I don’t blame Kat for not being interested in returning as Bonnie. TVD had eight long years to do right by her. She gave ideas and was continuously sidelined for being black. There is no excuse for their behavior but to call racism what it is. There is a reason Candice was open to returning during season 3(from what I was told) and her later guest appearance. Legacies, didn’t even do right by their black/or non-white characters. How do you make a musical episode with a joke that Bonnie wasn’t important? Huh.
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Bonnie didn’t have a ton of help being a witch. She was self-taught it would make perfect sense for her to want to create a space for witches/supernatural beings without guidance. It is very telling that TVDU started to introduce child witches/other beings but never connect them to Bonnie. I can’t talk about Legacies without mentioning Hope and Bonnie. If you aren’t aware Hope is physically book description Bonnie without the big curly red hair.
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I do not know much about Legacies-lore wise. I am aware that Alaric used and manipulated Hope into protecting the school/his daughters by proxy. I know that Hope continuously felt that she HAD to protect the school and everyone else. From discussions with my mutuals Hope and Alaric relationship to me feels very predatory. Why does a student and a teacher have private meeting to the point where his own children calls it out? That responsibility to save everyone shouldn’t have been on any student’s hands.
Legacies was all about the supernatural school. It feels very different than TVD’s supernatural beings existing in the real world. Where are the activities that young teenagers would do? Dances? Partying? Gossiping? As headmistress and Hope's step-mom, Bonnie would be the positive parental influence that she desperately needs! Bonnie would never run a school where Hope would have to feel like she is everyone’s savior.
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hyperactivewhore · 1 year
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Kinda hypocrite that Klaus constantly complains about Mikael treating him different than his other children because he is not his blood and yet, he treats Marcel, his adopted kid and the one he actually chose, a ten times worse than the way he treats his precious biological daughter
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cancerian-woman · 5 months
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It could be(it is) from TVDU’s racism but you would think that after Davina’s death and Kol’s rants on being ignored in the family he would’ve sided with Marcel and not against him..
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blckthrns · 1 year
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how do you have esther (a villain, who's supposed to be in the wrong) say that elijah hurts every woman he loves and instead of proving her wrong you make elijah responsible for hayley's death???
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andreal831 · 25 days
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I feel guilty: In some ways, I feel Hayley and the Mikaelsons set up Hope to fail. Now, with canon included, I think Hope did find her way - but ironically feel like her story should have been "Klaus, Hayley, and Elijah are what the remaining family tied to Hope but with the three dead - Hope is on her own, and having to navigate a world where she loves her dad but everyone is just as entitled to hate him and come into conflict with that". (Sorry, that's a long one). Basically because of how morally dubious the TVD gang (+ Dorian) could be - it makes sense that they know to separate Klaus's actions from Hope - but what about those who did not have that luxury and only remember a monster that was Klaus? I would use Tyler's story, but in a vague gesture: Hope needs to earn someone's trust after her father (or other relatives) brutalized them and has no way to defend or justify it. Essentially getting someone's trust for her as "Only Hope" and not the surname she's connected to. Or the more common arc, Hope realizing just because she loves her family doesn't mean she can overwrite the centuries of cruel history they left behind.
I'm not saying the Mikaelsons didn't love Hope, but Hope is unique (not just as a tribrid but the only living blood relative who hasn't been alive for a millennia) and had pressure on her that shouldn't be there. Hayley loved her, but should have warned her that living in a town that still had - living - people her dad fought with and hurt should have taken precedence over keeping a torch lit for their relationship. Klaus had his chance to be someone in this world, now Hope has to live in it and make something of herself - in his name or by herself.
(Sorry if this comes off anti. While I have anti thoughts and do like Hope, I think she could have stood to have a better characterized arc.)
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I'll start by prefacing this and say that I haven't seen much of Legacies, I only know a lot of the show from edits.
But I agree that the show did a pretty terrible job with really diving into the cycle of trauma and pressures that were put on Hope since before she was even born. They were so focused on making Klaus redeemable and centering Hope around Klaus that they didn't allow for her character to have the development she needed.
I really like what I know about Hope's character and I even look past the wild hoops the writers had to jump through to make her existence possible. But for a show that centered around a magical, miracle baby, they sidelined her character a lot. The writers were so focused on setting up Legacies that they forgot to give the characters the development that was necessary for it to get there.
People love to say that Klaus broke the cycle of abuse with Hope, but he didn't. It just manifested in a different way. He never physically harmed her, but he neglected, abandoned, and emotionally harmed her repeatedly. This trauma is something that Hope doesn't even get to work through.
Hope at 7 years old seems more or less well adjusted. I think Hayley did a good job protecting her from everything. She missed her family in an abstract way because she didn't truly understand what she was missing. She had Hayley and Mary. Klaus allowing himself to be captured and held prisoner was the best thing he ever did for Hope. She was able to live for seven years safe and loved. I may get hate for it, but Hope was better off living as a Marshall away from the Mikaelsons.
I don't necessarily think Hayley was wrong for letting Hope grow up believing the best in her family. At that point, Hope was very isolated. She deserved to have a childhood without it being taken away by the Mikaelsons. But I do think Hayley should have had more conversations with her as she got older, especially if she was going to a school where it was likely to come up.
As soon as she is back with the Mikaelsons, her life once again revolved around what she can do for Klaus. I'm not saying they all didn't love Hope, but she was never allowed to just exist. The fact that she used to keep points when she was "good" or "bad" shows just how much she felt it. She had to be perfect because if she wasn't, she wouldn't be worth their sacrifice or Klaus might slip back into a terrible person.
I've talked about it before, but sending Hope to the Salvatore School made no sense to me. She was safer in New Orleans. She had her mother's pack, he vampires would protect her for Josh and Marcel, Vincent wouldn't let anything happen to her, and she had her mother. Hayley sending her daughter away to boarding school for most of the year made zero sense. I watched the first few episodes of Legacies before TO and I genuinely thought they all died when she was a child because of how she acted with Alaric and the twins. She desperately wanted a family, something Hayley had done a great job providing in the past, but sending her away to school made Hope feel neglected. She was already being neglected by Klaus, she didn't need to feel abandoned by both parents.
And, as you said, she is sent to a school that is run by a man who hates her father, in a town full of people who hate her whole family. She had to listen to people talking about how awful they were, and it was all warranted, which makes it worse for her. She didn't get to attempt to process that on her own. She had to do it while constantly being compared to her family. Alaric was always using it as a way to punish her. The adults clearly were not mature enough to separate Hope from what her family did and they had no business being in charge of her.
The entire terrible legacy of the Mikaelsons was put on Hope's shoulder and the show just ignored that trauma because if they didn't, they would have to admit that Klaus wasn't redeemed, everyone just moved on. So then the people who didn't just move on look like the bad guys. Alaric had every right to hate Klaus, Tyler would have every right to hate both of Hayley and Klaus. They don't owe the Mikaelsons anything, but it is also not fair that Hope has to take the brunt of their anger because Klaus died and got away with literal murder. Hope was a child and shouldn't have had to work to prove herself. She deserved love and support and understanding, like every other child. She deserved to have the space and support to sort out her feelings toward her family, the good and the bad. She deserved to yell at Klaus for abandoning her, to be angry at Elijah for putting that pressure on her, to be angry at her aunts and uncles for abandoning her after her parents died. She deserved to figure out who she was outside of the legacy of pain and torment her family left behind, but as far as I can tell, she is never given that time. All of this would have given her character more depth. Coming to the realization that her family were terrible people but she still loved them is a hard pill to swallow, but it was something she needed to come to terms with. Glorifying Klaus and erasing Hayley, did very little for her development except to play on Klaus' popularity for views.
I love the Mikaelsons but each and every one of them were terrible at being family and terrible people. Hope suffered because of this.
Thanks for the ask! Sorry if I just went on a tangent and didn't fully answer your question.
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iamyouknow-yours · 6 months
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Marcel is a Mikaelson. He does not have to call himself a Mikaelson as he is fully within his rights to denounce the very toxic family but he is one.
I hate the way the show treated him, I hate the way the characters treated him, and I hate that he is involved with Rebekah. I hate the way he and Hope are only kinda sorta siblings.
1. The show:
So we know Julie Plec is very much a white liberal. We know this. We know she has sexism issues, we know she has racism issues (black women will save us all, really Julie????). I don't know which of her multitude of biases made her (and the rest of the writers) think that the way they wrote Marcel and the Mikaelson's relationships with him, was normal (or like normal in the context of the show). But boy howdy.
The plantation house. We're just going to have the Mikaelsons move into the house where Marcel was owned as a slave????? That's what we're gonna do?????? And where his abusive biological father lived and y'know, abused him. Fucking what the fuck?? I feel like this just epitomises the way the show treats Marcel.
2. The characters:
The family never treats him as part of the family unless they want something from him.
They did not raise him as a son and it is weird and terrible and he was a child!!!!! Why did you adopt him if you didn't want a child???
Why is Klaus so scared of having Hope if he's already had a child?
Why does Klaus treat Marcel the exact same way Mikael treated him just because they're not blood related?? (if they actually explored this it could have been interesting but no they just only half treat Marcel as a Mikaelson).
YOU'RE TELLING ME THEY DIDN'T CHECK?? THEY DIDN'T CHECK HE WAS DEAD????? Not once in the 80+ years did Klaus or Elijah go back to New Orleans or even send someone to fucking check that his SON was really dead??? Didn't think to do that???? No???
3. Rebekah:
Oh my god what do I even say about Rebekah?
They could have at least made her be daggered for the time when he was a child and only meet him when he was already an adult and a vampire because that way she's only technically his aunt and not a full fucking adult who saw him grow up!!!!!!!!
Hope:
Idk man, they were siblings. Let them be siblings. The whole thing in Legacies where the Mikaelsons just kind of left Hope alone? Weird. Bonkers. Batshit. I know it's because they couldn't get the actors but maybe think about that before writing your fucking show my guy.
Or in TO where Hope was just left alone and Klaus was not there as a dad for like 5(?) years.
Hayley was the only good parent on The Originals or Legacies canon, fight me.
(side note, you're telling me Caroline would leave Alaric, Alaric, an alcoholic, vampire-hating, weirdo (Caroline and Alaric being romantically involved briefly WAS WEIRD GUYS, WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK HE USED TO BE HER FUCKING TEACHER) in charge of the school for supernatural children??
You're telling me she left him in charge of parenting Lizzie and Josie?? Yeah okay sure.
And look how well that turned out. Locking teenagers in goddamn prison worlds, excellent headmastering there Alaric well done. And just swell parenting of the twins. Favouring Hope over them at all times and letting them bully each other weirdly for years and allowing your mentally ill children to just get more mentally ill from your parenting. Great moves. Very good.
Okay Legacies rant over)
Yeah okay my whole rant is over I think.
TL;DR: Marcel deserved better.
(and so did the kids on Legacies.)
Also PSA, the only reason I have so many feelings about this is because I like the freaking shows okay? I like the characters (except Alaric and Damon and the ones we're supposed to dislike like Mikael and Esther).
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bennettmaximoff · 9 months
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Hope and Lizzie’s relationship and how it developed over the seasons was one of the very minuscule things Legacies did right. I mean I have a few issues with how they handle Lizzie’s mental health, but she’s a good character in general and her development was great. I prefer her out of the twins for multiple reasons and I would list them out, but i’m saving those grievances for another rant lol.
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handonhaven · 1 year
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“So for [Landon], I think he gets everything he wanted, except Hope.”
—Brett Matthews
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occulthours · 5 months
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out of curiosity, are you a hosie or a hizzie? you're pretty loud about your dislike for handon, but i rarely see you post either hosie or hizzie.
Honestly, I had to think hard to answer this because I really did enjoy aspects of both ships. Short answer, I like both but don't love either. If I had to choose I would likely say Hizzie.
With Hosie I feel like they lacked a lot of the depth despite them being the most popular ship in the show. Ironically enough, they followed in KC's footsteps in that sense. They never really had enough build-up for them to start a relationship at any point in the show and it didn't help that the writers seemingly put a ban on them in s3. After being called out for queerbaiting the audience they just decided to completely cut Hope and Josie off from each other, even in situations that would've called for them to interact (s2 literally ended with them having an episode heavily centric on their dynamic, yet there was no follow up in s3?).
Their dynamic for the most part bored me, even as someone who enjoys the friends-to-lovers trope. Often times their scenes felt a bit empty, which definitely could’ve been intentional on the writers part to dissuade people from shipping them to be fair! They just didn’t get enough content for me to fully jump on board. I do think that out of Hope's popular ships, they had the best chemistry. They felt very natural in the scenes they shared and could've been great in canon. Had DRR and Kaylee been given the chance, Hosie would’ve been one of the few canon Legacies ships that had real romantic chemistry.
Hope and Lizzie’s relationship very clearly the star of the show. The best elements of the show were jumpstarted by their relationship (their rivals-to-friends era in s1, their hilarious scenes in s2 and 3, and their tribrid/heretic, sirebond, and enemies era in s4). The writers put more effort into Hizzie than any other aspect of the show, including Hope and Lizzie's canon relationships with their boring boyfriends. Typically, Hizzie is the thing the Legacies writers are praised for the most, and the praise is deserved.
Based on the writing alone Hizzie would've gone down as one of my favorite TVDU ships, maybe even one of my favorite ships period. But I don’t think DRR and Jenny have much romantic chemistry. Very close friends and platonic soulmates, yes. Girlfriends... I'd have to actually see it to believe it. They had the potential to start something, especially in season 4, but I’m not sure how it would feel to actually watch them have romantic scene.
It’s hard to say which I'd rather have been canon because of this. I can't see how Hope and Josie’s relationship being entertaining to watch (assuming that I can't go back and rewrite their relationship) and unless DRR and Jenny were specifically toning down whatever romantic chemistry they may have, I can't see myself rooting for them to kiss on screen. If I absolutely had to choose? Before s4 I would’ve said Hizzie by a long shot, but s4 gave Hosie an edge (I love ships where one or both of them are obsessively down bad and s4 Josie fit that to a T. Josie caring more about the girl that beat her father nearly to death, threatened to kill her mother, and actually killed her sister? EAT EAT EAT!), but also the sirebond gave Hizzie a bit of an edge (how could you not get even a little buzz from “I hate you for making me love you”?)… Hizzie was the first Legacies ship I fell for so I feel like I’m always gonna be a bit bias towards them.
I’d choose either one of these ships over the train wreck that was Hope and Landon in a heartbeat though! Both had potential to be excellent in their own ways if H.ndon wasn’t shoved down our throats.
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archangelslollipop · 3 months
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as I’m reading fanfics once again to fix what canon broke, I’m thinking-
when Hope jumped into Malivore, it took away all the memories about her from everyone. and once they came back, we see her and Freya reunite.
why on Earth- did the next episode not start by a scene in Alaric’s office, where whole ass Mikaelson bloodline stands at one side of his table, yelling their lungs out?? like besides it being ON POINT for them, it’d be fucking hilarious.
just imagine a bunch of mad parents. but it’s Mikaelsons. so it’s 10 times worse. and Alaric is just sitting there, absolutely defeated. while Hope stands in the corner, trying to seem neutral and at the start to calm her overprotective family down, but at the end of the day she couldn’t be happier to see them all again, fighting on her behalf.
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nightingale2004 · 1 month
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Teen wolf and Originals fans, i just had a crossover idea.
OK, so those who have seen the Originals remember Hayley marshall and how her birth name was Andrea Labonair, right? And the Labonair's were a werewolf pack along with Jackson Kenner's pack?
And for the teen wolf fans, we remember the Hale pack, correct?
So the crossover idea I bring forward is.....
What if the members of the Hale's and the Labonair's were actually related? More specifically, what if one of the members of the Hale pack married into one of the members of the Labonair pack as a form of alliance or something.
That would make Hayley and Derek distant COUSINS!!!!! And Hope WOULD BE A HALE!!!!!!
Just imagine it and think about it
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legacies-tv · 9 months
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There's something so sad about how absolutely sure Lizzie is that she's broken. She's had this ingrained into her head since she was eleven that there was something wrong with her. Her parents tell her there's not, of course, but they're hardly around. Their influence is so small compared to the one family member who is a constant in her life that is always making her feel like she's less-than and a burden.
Josie's the only one around her to see what's going on, to see how much she suffers and struggles, and she takes every opportunity to remind Lizzie that being there for her isn't free. She's already convinced there's something fundamentally wrong with her and now she thinks she's accruing debt just for asking for help, just because Josie demands payment in return for empathy.
She tries so hard to help people. She makes the Sewing Club for a girl in her class who is feeling left out, she gives new kids tours of the school and offers to be their friend, she makes all of the witches come up with a new dance routine to cater to Josie's ideas, she tries to join the Honor Council so she can do things like convince her dad to let kids like Landon stay and have a home and things like making sure the school is a safe place from these new monsters. And then at every single corner, she gets these attempts thrown back in her face or her peers pretend like they never happened. She's so sure that it must be her. There must be something wrong with her that makes them hate her so much.
Even when she finds out that her sister read her diary to the class and was the one who told everyone about her bipolar diagnosis, she's so forgiving. She lets go of a ten-year-long feud with Hope the moment Hope apologizes and acknowledges her. She's always forgiving MG for crossing boundaries and hurting her. She thinks that if she's nice enough to them, maybe eventually they'll be nice back. She kills herself trying.
She sacrifices her life over and over and over again without batting and eye and this is perhaps the most concerning thing about her mental state but she thinks it's the greatest and only thing she has to offer. She's willing to die for her friends and her family and her classmates, only for them to immediately turn around and call her selfish for it, to laugh at her funeral after she's laid down her life for them again. And she just doesn't understand how that's possible. She thinks it has to be her fault. It must be, she must have done it wrong.
She tries to be the strong one, she tries to shoulder the burden her sister always talks about, and then she gets beaten down for taking up too much space, for casting too big of a shadow. She tries to be the hero, breaks her back trying to save the day, like her father always talks about in Hope, and then she gets lectured about how that's not important. She tries to live her own life, tries to not suffocate Josie, and in turn, she gets told that she was too self-centered and distant. No matter what she does, it's never enough. She's convinced that she's not enough.
Her whole life she hears that her disorder isn't an excuse, that she should just take her meds even if they make her feel awful, that she should just try harder, that her disorder isn't real, that it's her own fault, that she's just doing it for attention, that she's delusional or lying or crazy or all three.
She has no idea how deeply that's sunk into her very being until Aurora starts telling her that people will always try to tell her that she's broken and that she can't believe them. And Lizzie's so close to figuring it out. So close. She knows what Aurora went through wasn't her fault, that Tristan was the problem. She's almost figured out that what she went through isn't her fault, that Josie is the problem.
She's adamant that her family would never have done what Aurora's did to her in her day. She doesn't see that they've done worse. It's such a shame that she only finally got there in the last season and her story was cut abruptly before it really got started.
I hope wherever Lizzie Saltzman ended up, whatever Season 5 would have had in store for her, she remembered that she's not broken.
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