#but i respect people's rights to ship it

[ltleflrt]

can i ask - what are you thoughts on the current anti-shipping phenomenon in fandom? I've recently gotten into SPN fandom and fallen in love with your fics, but the state of the fandom puzzles me a bit.

Anti-shipping is not a SPN fandom phenomenon, and maybe it seems to be a bigger deal to you because it's a bigger fandom? Wincest and Destiel shippers have been at war since episode 04x01 aired lol...we even have derogatory names for each other: Wincels and Hellers.

(Jokes on the Wincels, because Heller is a fucking awesome name.)

(Wincestiel shippers are fandom unicorns, and they deserve love and respect.)

I've only been involved in fandom since 2011, so most of what I know about anti-shippers comes from piles and piles of posts talking about fandom history, but the gist of it is that this is not current, it is ongoing since the dawn of fandoms, we just have names for it now. Think about Spirk back in the 60s...there were lots of rabid fangirls who saw nothing romantic between them too. We just don't hear as much about them, because they lost their fandom war lol

It's just really loud right now with the rise of conservatism, fascism, and terfs. And social media amplifies all of the above.

Anyway, my thoughts on anti-shippers is that they need to grow up and mind their own business. I am a pro-shipper, which means I believe that anyone has the right to love any ship, no matter how problematic, no matter how much it squicks me out. I believe everyone should be allowed to read whatever vile smut they want, because thought crimes are not real.

Unless a real person is being hurt, have fun.

Antis claim that problematic ships and kinks hurt people, but I think it's important to understand that there's a big difference between accidental and deliberate harm. And harm mitigation is highly important in a world with 7+ billion people and 7+ billion different lived experiences.

If an anti-shipper is hurt by a ship they don't like, they need to learn how to block and filter content so they don't see it, and on the opposite side of that, the vile shippers/kinksters need to tag their nonsense so that they're not accidentally burning someone's eyes out. Which most people ARE kind enough to do. They sit around in their little ficcing circles and cackle over the evil things they're putting their blorbos through, and they put up warning signs, but the antis come barging in to bug them anyway.

In my opinion, many antis are big fucking bullies and do a lot more harm than they claim to try and prevent, and they can all go fuck themselves with something hard and sandpapery.

So uh... yeah, that's how I feel about it 😁

(okay actually I'm not done, there's a lot of anti-shipping discourse about age gaps and what counts as incest that are just... really fucking stupid, and I honestly believe that shit started out because people were grasping for straws to justify why their ship is better than the ship they don't like. unfortunately, the youngins have been soaking up that moral purity language as Objective Truth because they're little sponges. i hope they outgrow that bullshit eventually. i will forgive and forget if they leave behind their purity police badges.)

#ltleramblings #reply #anonymous #purity police #anti shipping #pro shipping #yes i do enjoy the 'problematic' stuff myself #i don't like wincest at all #but i respect people's rights to ship it #i mean i ship cas/jimmy as twins soooooo #pot kettle blah blah blah #someday i want to write a darkfic that alienates my reader base #oh the darkfics that live in my head #i just can't seem to get them out of my imagination and into a fic #the two times i've tried they turned oddly romantic #HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN? #THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DIRTYBADWRONG #sigh oh well

[galaxyinacup]

Shadowrot!!!!!!!

The people have spoken!!!!!!

#realizing I like Cleo picking people up. she deserves to though #First one is based on that “how to talk to short people” meme #other one is just the sillies #Also this is their dynamic right??? #I love their banter but I'm bad at drawing romantic stuff (aromantic who loves shipping) #alek draws #alek answers #shadowrot #trafficshipping #trafficblr #zombie cleo #ALSO I FORGET IF LIZZIE IS ON TUMBLR SO I'M NOT TAGGING HER OUT OF CAUTION AND RESPECT #life series

[hahniana]

Look I love and respect the yuri nation and also think it Sucks when fandoms ignore perfectly good f/f relationships in media for mediocre yaoiz but like we cannot understate just how strong of a presence farcille has in the dungeon meshi community as of writing. Newcomers making the guys suck and fuck is such a non-issue can we chill

#dungeon meshi #ive seen a couple of posts over the past weeks (here and on twit) of people like. genuinely being mad about the spike in m/m #and its like... sorry what are u guys on about #farcille is cute dont get me wrong but like with all ships theres only so many dynamics they can believably have. IMO anyways #and theres other f/f potential too but those are like.. relegated to side characters with a minimal presence in the source material #so its not unsurprising that they dont get much attention (kikimari save me..) #loathe as i am to admit it there are more men in the primary cast/later characters that get a ton of screentime compared to women. #so we get more tuoys to smack around. like. its not unsurprising. #if the dungeon meshi tag on ao3 ends up having m/m overtaking gen AND f/f then we can talk about preservation of endangered species #but right now.. let them cook #theres some lesbian yaoi on the menu so show some respect

[kyouka-supremacy]

Beast akutagawa x bsd Atsushi is nice and all but beast Atsushi x bsd akutagawa is where it’s at

Beast Akutagawa x canon Atsushi is your average shonen rivalry between allies that """hate""" each other and in reality constantly push each other to be the better version of themselves / are each other's only drive and reason to move forward but Beast Atsushi x canon Akutagawa is the dark slice of life adult manga that tackles into existentialism and the search of a meaning in the midst of a nihilist perception of the world and potentially even finding that meaning in each other but not before any less than 600 chapters of pining

#Hydrogen bomb vs. coughing baby. Am I doing this meme right #No for real though Beast Atsushi x canon Akutagawa to me are like chuu/aku x1000000000000000 edginess #Don't get me wrong not that Beast Atsushi and Chuuya have anything in common. #But it's that specific flavour both ships share that is coworkers that aren't in conflict with each other / work well together to lovers- #and being daily surrounded by a dark and gloomy and gruesome environment every day #and the bitter consolation found in sharing it with someone else who understands your pain #sskk #shin soukoku #bsd #bsd beast #people asks me stuff #Tbh I don't think I could ever ship Beast Akutagawa x canon Atsushi? #I mean not true I'm a multishipper at heart and ship pretty much everything. #But I don't think I could ship it as much as I do the other combinations #Idk I struggle to see Akutagawa become as devoted of Atsushi as he is in all the other matches if they were to meet in the ada. #Beast Atsushi x canon Akutagawa on the other hand looks like something I could be into #But hey that is all considering they don't know their counterparts from their respective universes‚ right? #Because if they do you know Akutagawa and Akutagawa 0.06 seconds into meeting- #would be at each other's throats fighting over the fact that *their* universe Atsushi is the best one‚ right?

[lover-of-mine]

Its funny isn't it. there's a side of the fandom that can only cope if they think of Eddie as some cardboard cutout that they can project onto. Its why I think they have latched onto T*mmy so quickly, because he is literally their dream beige version of Eddie and for so long Eddie being a character who has his own motivations has ruined their headcannons. Didn't someone work out that Buck this season has had way more scenes involving Eddie than Eddie has involving Buck? But Eddie is supposed to be the one twiddling his thumbs whilst Buck is out there living life etc.

No, but that's exactly it for a portion of the people on the fandom and that is definitely what made people jump straight into T's arms. Eddie is a main character. He has dept and development. He has 6 seasons worth of a personality that doesn't fit the ideal partner they see for the wobbified version of Buck they made up in their heads. And considering the way that canon established Tommy as Eddie two steps to the left that Buck is projecting feelings into, fanon went wild. Tommy has no established personality. He has the begin episodes that paint him in a not so great light. They have the few scenes that exist with Buck where he exists, okay? He's doing the bare minimum. Sometimes not even that. But that means he is a character they can project anything they want into. He's a blank canvas. That means the space can be filled with whatever they see fit. And that means they can take the personality they convinced themselves Eddie had and copy/paste into T and move on. I've seen some awful takes. AWFUL. Like, some people are legit attacking Eddie to make him look better in comparison because they can't deal with the way that Eddie is still Buck's partner in crime. Eddie is not allowed to exist outside of Buck and some people just wanted to see Oliver make out with a guy. T does that. In a blank canvas. The show is historical for handling Buck's love life poorly and people are putting too much weight on interviews. They lie all the time because they can't give things up. I wanna know what's gonna happen if this relationship isn't the smooth sailing people decided it will be. There is a chance it will be fine and end amicably. But there's also a chance that it will get messy. Right now it could tip either way and I don't think that part of the fandom is gonna be ready to deal with shit if it gets messy. If T does something that goes against the perfect pedestal they put him in. People are already ignoring actually canon stuff like the way he left Buck in a curb, failed to communicate why he was leaving until he was in the car, and then didn't come back. So like, it's crazy. And yeah, a lot of Buck's arc so far has involved Eddie somehow, but Buck is adjacent to Eddie's. But I guess that's making it worse, because they don't like Eddie unless he's providing Buck with something they see fit and they are getting that somewhere else. Some people are showing that they don't have critical thinking skills when it comes to queer couples and honestly, that's kind of alarming.

#im not saying this is what everyone is doing #i am coexisting with some mutual who ship it so far so #i mean i am getting blocked left and right but #some people still care about eddie even in the multi shipping both and i can respect that #i can't respect belittling Eddie to make a ship valid #Eddie is the main character here #but yeah #it is definitely happening #911 #i really need a tag for asks #anon 😌 #anti bucktommy #just to be safe

[fure-dcmk]

OP HOW ARE WE FEELING....... THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS ALL AROUND...... genuinely distraught... someone take dcmk away from gosho fr...

sorry anon the tone of this ask are not specifically directed to you, its more to the general KS posts i've been seeing on my fyp

don't plan to address this since im not even a KS account but i'm starting to get peeved seeing a bunch of ppl act victimized like gosho did that cuz he personally hates KS shippers

i'm a huge gosho aoyama hater myself but come on that man probably thinks there's nothing wrong with first cousin dating in the first place (addendum one: shuake, addendum two: hanzawa love interest being his own countryside cousin) i'd even dare to say based on his unintentional world view its him encouraging KS shippers instead

for this account i'll make sure to tag any future KS to avoid icking those bothered by the reveal but for the record any KS made by me are not closely related

#they might be distantly related tho cuz that's funnier to me *gunshot* #movie 27 #movie spoiler #asks #personal #sorry for those whose world are crumbling down by this reveal but to me this situation is extremely funny #which is why i dont plan to even address it im not even a KS shipper i dont have the right to laugh publicly when there are- #-people who are genuinely distraught 😭😭 #“but the twincest case! its been protrayed as bad!” yea and twin raw dogging it is illegal while first cousin marriage is legal in jp #just trying to prove what kind of outdated worldview this man has dont shoot the messenger #even saw ppl accusing gosho hating KS shippers cuz they outnumbers his 'beloved' shinran 😂 #if gosho respect shinran that much he wouldn't be pandering to coai. KS shipper is the least of his problem. that man is just a capitalist #speaking of straight ships the shinran vs coai war on chinese and arabic twitter are one of the most obnoxious group of ppl i've ever seen #one of this days im gonna do a rant on that

[maddy-ferguson]

i think it's cute how people are like why can't we go back to post-season 2 when everyone thought mike was bi and everyone had fun :( girl there's been two seasons since then i don't think people hated mlvn as much back then either things have changed

i think bi mike is still slightly more popular but gay mike truthers are more vocal because they're usually the people who analyze the show which is certainly...interesting. also i hate how people act like this is about him loving will more or whatever believe it or not this is not about will and it's not about el either it's about him and his storyline! conformity is just a more interesting story to me than incompatibility is

#i'm not saying bi mike is as hated as mlvn i'm saying that yeah idk crazy that the last two seasons would make people rethink what we got #in the first two seasons right #posting this in the morning so no one sees it. the first paragraph actually annoys me so much like sorry for having an opinion and for not #'respecting my byler elders who founded the ship' like bro. there's two more seasons. things change. boys only #it's the moral superiority thing that gets on my nerves not the bi mike truthing itself we can agree to disagree it's whatever #and like i say: brf slt

[jessicas-pi]

it's actually, genuinely, honestly hilarious that in a fandom where popular ships include characters who are biologically related, characters with a 10+ year age gap who met when one was a teenager or even a child, and characters who have tried to kill each other, people hate on a friends-to-lovers ship with a <2 year age gap where the characters have a deep emotional bond and plenty of romantic subtext, because "they're siblings". my brother in the force they are literally not.

#i'm just saying. out of all the ships in the star war; sabine and ezra have one of the healthiest dynamics #right up there with kanera and bail and breha and obitine and maybe a few others. there are SO few 'problems' with it. #not that those 'problems' make a ship BAD when it's written well or in certain context. #just that out of all the ships to pick on; people choose THIS one????? #the one with character growth and found family and mutual respect?? #the one with self-sacrifice and decades-long loyalty and obitine parallels and a jetpack chase scene???? #what's there to hate??? #and i would add a disclaimer about how if you dont ship them its fine as long as you dont bully but honestly? #i am so so tired of having to qualify my statements. #this is about the targeted hate. this has always been about the targeted hate. #and i don't care if someone loathes something i love as long as they they keep that loathing out of my personal space. #this has been a tag rant. thank you for reading. #btw i'm not being sarcastic about it being hilarious. it genuinely cracks me up to see people get SO hateful over this #for a reason that does not exist #as opposed to several other ships which DO IN FACT HAVE THAT OBJECTION. #like. oh my gosh. are you even listening to yourselves. #if u wanna have the don't-ship-siblings fight then puhLEEZE bring it to someone who ships siblings. #jessica's controversial star wars opinions #sabezra #(don't worry that this post is a vent because i'm getting bullied or anything. im not visible enough for that i guess lol) #it was written in humor not in hurt :)

[bvckleykinard]

.

excuse me I'm annoyed and I'm gonna rant for a second :)

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#if you're one of the people who won't stop talking about how people are jumping ship for buck and tommy #and how we're never gonna get buddie endgame #letting Buck explore this new and probably very scary part of his life is not a bad thing! #letting him explore and learn with tommy or literally any other guy is not a bad thing! #they didn't make buck bi just so theh could slap us with buddie in the next episode! #and all of this negativity is just exhausting #you don't have to like Tommy. and I know there are people who are not fans of his for so many different reasons and that's fine! #but getting worked up because people are happy about Buck get to have these firsts with someone who isn't Eddie just isn't it! #Buck's not bi just for Buddie. Buck's bi because he's bi! and you have to learn to deal with that! #and I trust Oliver and I trust Tim to give us this story with the respect and time it deserves to have to play out #because y'all would absolutely throw a fit if they rushed into Buddie right #now #we've waited this long and we have a wonderful depiction of a man in his 30s who is going to get the chance to settle into his sexuality #like he deserves too! #and then when it's time we're gonna get queer Eddie and it's going to be equally as important and Buck's story #y'all just have to chill because I don't know how some people enjoy this show the way they immediately jump to the negativity of it all #christina talks about 911 #911 spoilers #also scary is not the word I wanted for that 3rd tag #more unknown rather than scary

[venjt]

is the proshipper in ur bio a joke?

No. I accept and respect other people's ships. I don't discriminate, and if it's a bothersome, then I'm not for you.

#ven talks #some people dont like it and that's okay. #theres nothing wrong liking or disliking ships just as long as you are respectful to others about it #like i said if it is a bothersome to some people then they have every rights to block me #proship

[saltpepperbeard]

you ever feel trapped? like you’re just treading water, waiting to drown?

#OFMD #had to channel my inner ed because i just shdklsjdhks #jodi's no good very cranky day #here's the tea sis #i left a comfortable yet somewhat annoying job for a job that is currently VERY annoying and distressing #annnnddd i'm feeling that PARTICULARLY hard today #it also doesn't help that part of that stress feels like it's coming from neurodivergent burnout/issues and that can't be like #easily ~*~Explained~*~ to people #like the lack of structure/communication/transparency is driving me BANANAS because i very much need stability/cut and dry processes #annnnnd upper management is supposed to be fixing that #but it seems like they're making it Even Worse #so it just feels extremely overwhelming right now #and i can also feel everyone ELSE'S stress?? #and it seems to be upping my own because yaaaaayyy empathy (derogatory) #IDK man sorry I don't normally vent #But my health is starting to get affected by all of this l m a o #And the thought of having to uproot AGAIN if it doesn't improve is just #I feel like it's an unending loop of going from job to job to job where the spaces are toxic and no one communicates and> #<efforts are not respected #Soooo I'm just gnawing on my arm and wishing I very much could ZOOM AWAY ON A PIRATE SHIP SHDKLS

[ricoka]

sometimes I wish you could post an opinion on a fandom blog without inviting a whole witch hunt or being accused of causing drama but alas

#I've not done anything and i won't do anything #it's just something that's annoying?? that you can't say anything without someone doing a bad faith interpretation of it #or projecting it on themselves or getting offended on behalf of a fictional character #the few times i saw someone actually say something slightly controversial all hell broke loose every time #like great that you're passionate but not everything is about you #not everything needs your opinion - especially if you can only give it like a lecture #not everything has malicious intentions #people disagreeing with you have a right to their opinions as well - as long as you respect theirs they should respect yours #the thing is - i don't think I've ever been in a fandom that didn't have to deal with like ship wars or someone doing hate campaigns #of a character or ship - i guess that's just the way it is?? #but here it feels especially tiring because people don't usually disagree on ships #people are literally fighting and hating each other mainly over the same two characters!!! and their different interpretations of them #people disagree over what the right and moral way is to portray and ship those characters #and it creates so much tension because you can't associate with those people because they're doing it wrong #and are acting fucking awful about it #but those people are very exclusionary and if you don't agree with all of their points they don't want to talk to you either #you just float along hoping that you'll find some people who have a similar interpretation and will actually talk to you #it's so weird??? it's so isolating too?? #and it feels like you entered a political landscape in your online fandom space #i will probably delete this and I'm not even sure my thoughts make sense #my thoughts spiralled a bit from thinking how some fan interpretations annoy me into disliking a character hahaha

[furby-organist]

// Alright, throwing this out there before I sleep: now that I've done with my exam and I may have access to my laptop soon, I'd like to get back into the swing of things and write with more people! Like this post (or reply) if you want me to make a mental note to check out your blog / reach out to you about RPing!

Also, for reference, since this seems to be a Hot Fandom Topic: I consider myself neither proship nor anti. My rules page is pretty up-to-date with who I will/won't interact with.

#mun post. #// I'll probably reblog later. #I'm not 'proship' or 'anti' I'm 'write/ship whatever as long as you address it tastefully & with the respect/gravity it deserves' #if you want to explore toxic dynamics then go for it. if you want to ship sto/via bc you think 'its hot' then god bless you but I don't wan #any of that near me. I also don't think that tumblr users are viable largescale platforms for promoting agitprop but #I am also not white enough to think that media/fiction has no influence on public perceptions of stuff. I have a nuanced take you see #I'm not going to harass people who ship weird shit (especially if they tag it/warn properly) and I don't think they should like go to jail #over it but I do think it's weird as fuck and the vibes are fucked and I don't want it anywhere near me. And it's my God given right as a m #American to feel that way! Ya feel. Anyway. #(This is not an invitation to argue with me! Any arguing with me requires a $50 donation to the Lebanese Red Cross.)

[smiles-rambles]

Ok I’m just gonna say this but people have every right to make a post on why they don’t like a ship on their own blog

However to me, it’s polite to not tag it as that ship because people don’t want to scroll through that tag and see hate.

If you see something you don’t like, idk, be a grown adult and move on with your life. Block and move on. What is wrong with you people

#smiles rambles #smiles rants #like nothing is worse that going through the miphlink tag or the midlink tag and seeing hate on there #like you want to piss people off? #clearly you do #and it shows that you just wanna start drama #just don’t tag the ships like c’mon #I wanna scroll through my fav ship tags without seeing hate is that too much to ask? #but also you shouldn’t harass anyone for not liking a ship #actually posting anything on their own blog #they have a right to do that #now if they’re posting some messed up crap I’d just block and report and whatever #don’t spread just ignore them they’ll go away #but like #I posted criticisms for totk and MAN people through a hissy fit over all of it #but I have every right to criticize it on my own blog #man people just need to respect opposite opinions #something something critical thinking #whatever

[eenochian]

“headcanoning farah as wlw is disrespectful because she’s muslim”

my. my guy. queer people exist in every group. queer muslims very much exist.

“ok but it’s a sin in islam”

WHY ARE WE SUDDENLY JUSTIFYING HOMOPHOBIA WITH RELIGION⁉️⁉️ it’s wrong for a christian to use religion to justify their bigotry, so WHY is it okay to use islam or any other religion to do the same?? i know that i’m comparing the world’s most oppressive religion (christianity) to a religion that’s oppressed, but like… allowing one group to essentially “get a pass” opens the door for EVERY group to get one.

what was even weirder is that the person who made the post about it wasn’t even muslim 😭 they said they looked it up which i believe, but then they had an actual wlw muslim in their comments telling them it wasn’t a big deal— and THEY LITERALLY TOLD THE COMMENTER THAT IT WAS STILL DISRESPECTFUL?? AND OTHER NON-MUSLIMS WERE GOING “grr but it’s a sin >:(” LIKE?? HELLO?? WHY are people not even included in the group talking over ACTUAL MEMBERS OF THE GROUP???

i care very deeply about respecting people’s beliefs and faiths. but once that belief starts to harm others, my respect is withdrawn. the golden rule is that your rights end where another person’s begin. i remember seeing posts from years ago about queer muslims. they’ve always reminded me of queer christians – the vast majority of their faiths hate them, but they do still exist. and it’s possible to be progressive while also being devoted to your faith. i’ve met so many religious folks that are allies and supportive of queer people, so seeing posts like this crop up and gain popularity is just… disheartening. it feels like we’re going backwards after finally making some progress.

#not to mention the fucking astronomical rise in purity culture #so many young people don’t even realize that they’re becoming just as rigid and bigoted #as the older folks they claim to hate and be so much better than #it’s fucking 2023. we have less than 4 months until 2024. #the fact that people– especially people MY AGE– are still using religion to justify hate is insane to me #go back 8 or so years #back when “free the nip” was on the rise and people started reclaiming slurs and celebrating pride #we were somehow more progressive then than we are now #this is such an insignificant situation in the grand scheme of things #but it provides so much insight into the thinking of this generation. #we think we’re being progressive and so respectful and kind and that we’re so much better #because SURELY respecting a religion’s beliefs is the right thing to do #unless it’s christianity. then have at it y’know #but all these people (non-muslims) are doing is justifying bigotry and hatred with the EXACT same arguments that they claim aren’t valid #“you can’t use religion to justify hate!! (unless it’s this religion lol)” #like. that’s not the take you think it is. and we’re never going to progress past these hateful beliefs if you continue to justify it #idk just. as a queer person myself who has a fem oc that i ship with farah because i love her and view her as a very progressive character #seeing people use her to justify outdated bigoted beliefs hurts so bad #her whole character revolves around empowerment. and going against traditions. and not bowing down to what other people say #using her to justify the exact behavior that she fights against just feels disrespectful to HER. #like yes– she’s very likely muslim given where she lives. but she already doesn’t follow several of the practices iirc #and again. ‼️QUEER MUSLIMS EXIST‼️ #it’s just. ugh. i’m going in circles atp #i’m going to sleep i’m too tired and migraine-y for the internet

[heckin-music-dork]

Just saw this post while scrolling through the lotr tag, and it was so disappointing because op ALMOST had the point and it still managed to go right over their head. Actually scratch that, op DID have the point, but still just threw it aside with "lol they gay"

Fixed it! This is all it needed to say! 😌💖

#'let men be physically affectionate with each other without people assuming they're gay!' #anyway samfro shippers are... frustrating sometimes #like i fully respect fans' right to ship them and interpret their relationship as they will #but it's also important to keep the intent of the author in mind #and tolkien never intended for the nature of their relationship to be romantic #he was portraying a powerful profound friendship just as powerful (if not more so) than any romance #and i don't get why that's not more than enough for some people #anyway ✌🏻 #the lord of the rings #lotr #frodo baggins #samwise gamgee #tolkien #samfro critical