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[antimisinfo]

Endos / endogenics and why they aren't valid :

We've made posts on this before but we decided it might be good to make one big post to link to for when / if anyone asks again. We tried to cover everything we could in this post but we'll likely be making other posts similar to this later on.

So what are endos? Endos or endogenics are people who claim to have DID/OSDD without trauma or claim to have alters / be a system without having DID/OSDD.

Why is this bad? This is misinformation because as far as science knows DID/OSDD is a trauma based disorder (specifically caused by trauma in early childhood, which is speculated to be 1-9 / 1-12 years old) and your brain would not split / create alters without reason. You cannot have alters without having a disorder, this is common sense as it's not normal to have alters. To add onto this endos also take over our communities and steal our terms. (We'll make a post with further information on that in the future).

There is also a carrd that explains why endos are bad and debunks a few myths if anyone is interested in it! If not continue reading

Why can't you have DID/OSDD or alters without trauma? As far as science knows DID/OSDD is a trauma disorder and in order to have alters in the first place you require dissociation, which is also a trauma response. Here are tons of medically reviewed sources that say this:

“ They suggest that DID is caused by experiencing severe trauma over a long time in childhood. By experiencing trauma in childhood, you take on different identities and behaviours to protect yourself. As you grow up these behaviours become more fully formed until it looks like you have different identities ” — rethink.org

“ Dissociative identity disorder (DID), previously known as multiple personality disorder, is a complex psychological condition caused by many things. These include severe trauma during early childhood (usually extreme, repetitive physical, sexual, or emotional abuse). It's also known as split personality disorder. ” — webMD

“ DID is usually associated with adverse experiences in someone’s past and traumatic memories. ” & “ Dissociation — a major part of DID — is a defense mechanism the body uses to reduce your awareness during overwhelming trauma ” — pysch central

“ DID is associated with long-term exposure to trauma, often chronic traumatic experiences during early childhood. ” & “ Dissociation—or disconnection from one’s sense of self or environment—can be a response to trauma. It can happen during a single-incident, traumatic event (e.g., an assault, a natural disaster, or a motor vehicle accident), or during ongoing trauma (e.g., wartime; chronic childhood abuse). ” — mcleanhospital.org

“ Dissociative disorders often develop as a way to deal with a catastrophic event or with long-term stress, abuse or trauma. This is particularly true if such events take place early in childhood. At this time of life, there are limitations to your ability to fully understand what’s happening. In addition, your coping mechanisms aren’t fully developed and getting support and resources depends on the presence of caring and knowledgeable adults. ” — my.clevelandclinic.org

“ There are many possible causes of dissociative disorders, including previous traumatic experience. ” & “ Switching off from reality is a normal defence mechanism that helps the person cope during a traumatic time. ” — nhs.uk

“ Dissociative identity disorder is the result of a natural way of coping with childhood trauma. Our page on the causes of dissociative disorders has more information. ” & “ Dissociation is a natural response to trauma while it's happening. But some of us may still experience dissociation long after the traumatic event has finished. Past experiences of dissociation during traumatic events may mean that you haven't processed these experiences fully. ” — mind.org (two links since they're two different pages)

“ Dissociative disorders usually start as a way to cope with shocking, distressing or painful events. The disorders most often form in children who go through long-term physical, sexual or emotional abuse. Less often, the disorders form in children who've lived in a home where they went through frightening times or they never knew what to expect. The stress of war or natural disasters also can bring on dissociative disorders. When you go through an event that's too much to handle emotionally, you may feel like you're stepping outside of yourself and seeing the event as if it's happening to another person. Mentally escaping in this way may help you get through a shocking, distressing or painful time. ” — mayoclinic.org

Most of these sources are pretty recent too, with the most recent one being made in September 2023 (webMD)

What about religious beliefs / tuplamacy? First people are not required to believe or participate in your religious beliefs (and religious beliefs are not exempt from criticism) and second tuplamacy is a closed Buddhist practice that has nothing to do with being a system and should not be compared to being a system nor should it be included / involved in system communities. Note that the DSM-V also says that in order to have DID; "The disturbance is not a normal part of a broadly accepted cultural or religious practice." <- this does not mean it's possible to have alters due to a religious thing, if anything it says they cannot be counted as alters / as a system.

To add on, no you cannot pray to be a system or transition into being a system. If you were to pray and one day magically become a system you are either in denial or you've convinced yourself you're something you're not. Believing you can be a system without trauma or that you can become a system by praying is like believing you can get autism from vaccines or drinking too much dairy milk, that's just not how it works.

What about mixed origin systems? Mixed origin systems are not a thing. DID/OSDD forms purely from trauma, you can't form from a mix of trauma and not trauma, that's not how it works. If you identify as mixed origin you are likely in denial and really need to come to terms with the fact that you are either traumatized or you're not a system at all.

What about other kinds of origins? Other origins like "willowgenic" and all that bullshit? Yeah no, same thing as endos, not possible. Look above for all the proof you need, DID/OSDD is only caused by trauma. Traumagenic is the only valid origin.

But I gave myself DID! / But I created my own alters! No you didn't. That isn't possible, you cannot turn yourself into a DID/OSDD system and creating alters is a coping mechanism, not something you do for fun, sources on this;

“ DID Isn't Something You Can Give Yourself on Purpose. Having DID was not a conscious decision those of us with the disorder made when we were children. Dissociative identity disorder is not a selective disorder, meaning you cannot decide that you want to develop this brilliant coping mechanism and then you have it. ” — healthyplace

“ In any case, additional alters are usually the result of extreme stress. The mind does not like to be fractured even when an individual already has DID or OSDD-1. Many individuals cannot split unless a split is strictly necessary for their protection, functioning, or ability to remain hidden as a system. That said, there are exceptions. Some individuals may become so used to using splitting as a coping mechanism that they may split easily in response to seemingly minor stressors. ” — didresearch.org

Isn't being a system like the same as being trans or being LGBTQ? No, many endos compared the two but they are completely different. Being LGBTQ is an identity, it's something you are born as. Being a system is a debilitating disorder caused by severe trauma, it is counted as a disability which is;

“ 'A person has a disability if: They have a physical or mental impairment, and the impairment has a substantial and long-term adverse effect on the person's ability to carry out normal day-to-day activities.' ” — gmc.org

The reason DID would be counted as a disability is that;

“ Having a dissociative disorder can affect your ability to keep a full-time job, especially one with work stresses, which can worsen your symptoms. ” — disabilitysecrets

And the DSM-V criteria literally says;

“ The symptoms cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning ” — traumadissociation

But the DSM-V says that trauma isn't required! No, the DSM-V actually says CSA isn't required, there are other forms of trauma that don't involve CSA or child abuse. To act as if it saying that the trauma isn't always CSA or child abuse means that it doesn't require trauma at all is extremely invalidating to those who are traumatized in ways that don't involve child abuse or CSA.

But this source claims endos exist / DID doesn't require trauma! Most of those sources are extremely old and / or made by endos (or pro endos) themselves. (We'll make a more in-depth post on this topic some other time, but for now this is all we have to say on it)

But we don't know everything about the human brain! You're right, we don't. The brain is mysterious, but we do know enough to know that it doesn't do these kinds of things for no reason. We know the brain reacts to trauma and we know what the difference between a normal brain and a disordered brain is. Just because we don't know everything doesn't give people an excuse to jump to conclusions and spread misinformation. It is better to stick to what science currently knows which is the theory of structural dissociation, which is the current theory about how DID/OSDD forms, and so far no one has been able to disprove it. And before someone says it, no it is not only a theory, it is a scientific theory which is;

“ A theory is a well-substantiated explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can incorporate laws, hypotheses and facts. The theory of gravitation, for instance, explains why apples fall from trees and astronauts float in space. Similarly, the theory of evolution explains why so many plants and animals—some very similar and some very different—exist on Earth now and in the past, as revealed by the fossil record. ” — amnh.org

And to add on;

“ Scientists develop theories to explain the natural world and to advance scientific knowledge. A theory is the highest level of explanation in science. Some features of scientific theories are that they: have been thoroughly tested over an extended period, provide accurate explanations and, predictions for a wide range of phenomena, are widely accepted by the scientific community, demonstrate strong experimental and observational support ” — study.com

#endo misinfo #sourced #anti endo #endos dni #system #traumagenic system #did #did osdd #didosdd #osddid #system stuff #plural system #plural #did system #osdd system #this took a long time

[moonpool-system]

Saw an anon somewhere else make a great point and we wanted to elaborate on it:

There should NOT be the hard lines between concepts of traumagenesis and endogenesis that currently exist in the plural community. There's a ton of overlap between the two in reality, and it's a little disconcerting that while "endogenic" is very explicitly an umbrella term, "traumagenic" is constantly considered a singular origin with no leeway, and anything not labeled specifically with that word (EVEN when the definition explains trauma is involved) is thrown under "endo" by medicalists & anti-endos.

Have people not come around to the understanding that "traumagenic" is also an umbrella term? That there are many, many ways for a system to be traumagenic, and sometimes those ways entangle inseparably from other origins? Has no thought gone to the autigenic-identifying system whose plurality came from masking trauma? To the soulbonder that connected with their companion out of desperate isolation and pain? If it were not for the manufactured divide claiming "traumagenic" as singular and separate, there would be a wide range of terminology and conceptions to describe the various ways one can be traumagenic, and it'd be a dramatic boon to the traumagenic plural & CDD communities.

Instead, we're severely lacking in a significant point of plural understanding because of the lateral aggression around here, and it's extremely damaging to our progress as a marginalized group attempting to make our voices heard and understood. How can we articulate the way traumagenesis and endogenesis intertwine and contrast if we're too afraid to even look?

The origin binary in the plural community needs to end. If "endogenic" can have many specific origins fall under it then so can "traumagenic".

#plurality #plural community #plural system #traumagenic system #did system #osddid #did osdd #cdd system #endogenic #traumaendo #mixed origin #sysmeds dont you fucking dare bitch abt these tags. this is in part about our experience as a traumagenic DID system #syscourse #pluralgang #pluralpunk #actually plural #plural #neurodivergent

[dolleriumfluffle]

I just desperately want more recognition of traumagenic experiences that lie outside of the usual "childhood abuse" assumption that everyone forces on that label. what about trauma from bullying? what about trauma from undiagnosed illnesses? what about trauma from queer experiences like transphobia? what about trauma from medical experiences like surgeries, hospitalizations, psych wards, and other areas where the medical field failed you? what about trauma from eating disorders? what about trauma from racism?

there are so many experiences that can fall under traumagenic, but are yet swept under a rug in favor of a strict, stereotypical narrative that's easier to comprehend. I think we as a community need to make an active effort to expand our understanding of traumagenic, especially where it may overlap with experiences traditionally considered endogenic, and understand that trauma can come in so many different forms. so often people are shunned for trying to create roles and labels that describe their specific traumagenic experiences, and I don't understand why. there can be no progress towards acceptance for all systems if we don't accept that traumagenic is an umbrella label too.

#dollerium speaks #🎠 | reona (he/she/doll/bun/eld/spell) #this came out very rambly #but just know if you have trauma that's considered 'not traditional' or 'not enough' #I see you and I appreciate you #plural #plural things #actually plural #pluralgang #plural system #actually did #hc did system #did osdd #a lot of these are things we experienced in life that 100% contributed to our system's function #and yet it feels like we're not allowed to talk about them #because they're not the 'usual' accepted trauma that's discussed in traumagenic spaces #pro endo #endo safe #endo safe blog

[council-of-councillers]

saw another fuckin post about how "the future is plural" brother you is on CRACK we dont WANT the future to be plural cause it means some people sucked so badly at being good parents or friends or classmates that someone developed an INCURABLE mental disorder that will never 100% go away.

fuckin endos. get over yourself. the futures not plural the future has less plurality because people are learnin how to treat kids well enough so they DONT get horrible trauma.

-Cassidy

#traumagenic system #osdd system #system #did system #osdd #did #endos dni #system stuff #did osdd #osdd1b

[antiendovents]

hiii, guys,, :33 working on a post to disprove endos existence / to disprove the fact that endos are possible,, any points you want me to bring up?? ((i have lots of sources too, literally 8 different sources))

I have been working on this for like an hour or two now, unsure if I'm ready to post it or not

It's gonna be on @antimisinfo btw

#anti endo #did system #did #endos dni #plural #actually did #system #endos fuck off #alters #did osdd

[azm0day]

:3

#pactw #pactw fanart #qsmp pactw #qsmp art #qsmp #qsmp fanart #tazercraft #tazermc #did osdd #did system #introject #fictive #headmates #commisions open #mcyt #mcyt fanart

[partysystem]

the "60+ score on the DES-II means it's imitative DID!!!" thing i've heard bounced around almost made sense before we realized: if you're further into your discovery and/or are in therapy/treatment, and your amnesia barriers lower, you're gonna remember how often you experience things more & thus result in a higher score. our score right before beginning therapy was ~50, now it's around 58 because we've realized that certain things happen more than we remember/realize.

tldr: if you've ever heard this """fact""" then i'm sorry you were lied to. also the study that it came from was done in 2001 so i wouldn't trust it anyway

#🩸 sol #did osdd #did system #traumagenic system #actually did #osddid #osdd system #anti endo #endos fuck off #dissociative identity disorder #actually dissociative #polyfragmented #polyfrag system #sysblr #i hope this made sense

[sophieinwonderland]

Debunking Anti(-endo's)Misinfo. AKA: How are anti-endos so bad at sources????

(The original)

Oh, well good on you for trying to cover everything! Nice of anti-endos to finally start trying to use science to prove their arguments. I'm sure these sources will totally be reliable and will prove your points beyond a shadow of a doubt, and that you won't just be falling flat on your face with every single attempt at basic reading comprehension, and end up repeatedly make a complete fool of yourself.

Let's go!

Off to a pretty strong start, acknowledging that many endogenic systems don't have DID or OSDD. Sadly, that basic fact is something that seems to escape most anti-endos. So with this in mind, I think it's safe to say the goal of this post is going to be to prove...

You can't possibly have DID without trauma.

You can't possibly have OSDD without trauma.

You can't be a system without DID/OSDD.

Let's read through and see how they'll do at proving their points by the end. I promise you, the results... won't surprise you. 😉

Well, there goes that strong start.

The source here is a Carrd and so-called "common sense."

Meanwhile, in the World Health Organization's ICD-11, alters or dissociative identities are described as "distinct personality states." In the same page, it's stated that you can have multiple "distinct personality states" without a disorder.

This is information from the World Health Organization affirming that you can be plural without a disorder. And I think that prevails over your so-called "common sense."

See also these screenshots from the plurality chapter of Transgender Mental Health, a book published by the American Psychiatric Association:

Finally, I really want to put a focus on this line of logic: "you cannot have alters without having a disorder, this is common sense as it's not normal to have alters."

Normal has multiple meanings in different contexts. The ICD-11's boundary with normality uses normal to mean "non-pathological." But this post seems to be using "normal" in the lay way to mean "common."

And that makes this particular rhetoric extremely dangerous and harmful to many communities. "If it's not common, it's a mental illness," was the basis for homosexuality and being transgender being listed as mental illnesses. "Most people don't think this way, so there's something wrong with them."

This could also easily be used to pathologize Otherkin and other alterhumans as mentally ill because it's not "normal" to identify as an animal.

The modern World Health Organization and American Psychiatric Association recognize the fact that simply thinking unusually or differently isn't an illness or disorder.

Statements like yours do not exist within a vacuum, but harken back to decades past when any non-typical thinking would have you labeled as having a disorder that needed treated.

Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

Let's be thankful to live in a world today where our differences aren't considered disorders. And let's not resort to ideologies that threaten to return us to those days past.

Wait... who suggests this? Who are they? I think I need more info...

So... "some researchers."

Also, can we talk about how this starts off with "sometimes called multiple personality disorder." I checked to see if this was before the name changed in the ICD (which I believe was 2015) and it doesn't seem to be! Oldest archive I can find is 2020!

Rethink.org is a charity.

These are not peer-reviewed papers.

The page references "some researchers" without names or sources.

I have no idea who authored this or if they're qualified at all in this field.

This is a terrible source. A web page by an anonymous author citing other unnamed authors with no reason to think anyone who wrote this had any idea what they were talking about!

This says DID is caused by many things, and lists trauma as only one that's included. This doesn't back up the idea DID/OSDD can only be caused by trauma, and suggests the opposite.

Oh, and "it's also known as split personality disorder." 😔

Go home WebMD.

Usually associated with doesn't mean it's a requirement, and in fact implies that it isn't always.

"Is associated with." "Can be a response to trauma."

Reiterating that the first two goals here were to prove you can't have DID or OSDD without trauma. And these aren't doing that.

An association doesn't mean there's a causation, and it doesn't mean that association is there in 100% of cases.

"often develop."

Like with "usually", you wouldn't use the word often if if something always happened. The choice of wording implies you can have dissociative disorders without trauma.

Are... they messing with us right now???

I swear, you can't have a post that sets out with the goal of disproving the existence of endogenic plurality, and then use quotes that seem to consistently imply there can be other causes for DID and not pick up on that theme!

Oh, yay! We finally got a quote that's actually trying to argue the point we started with.

But, again, this runs into a similar issue to the ReThink.org one. This is a random independent organization. There is no author for this article. It hasn't undergone peer review like an academic paper would.

There is no evidence the person who wrote this article is actually educated in dissociative disorders.

And finally back to "usually."

You must be so proud...

Source Round-Up

There was a lot here, so let's just recap.

6 out of 8 of these sources only say that DID is "usually" or "often" or "can be" caused by or associated with trauma. These actually imply there are cases where it's NOT caused by trauma, going against the original goals of this post.

Finally, there were two sources, Rethink and Mind.org, which did suggest DID is just caused by trauma, full stop. But both of these are extremely questionable as sources.

Neither named their authors. There's no indication what the review process is for their websites. And "Rethink" merely said this is what "some researchers" believe.

So let's double back to those goals set at the beginning.

You can't possibly have DID without trauma: One source says this, but the reliability of that source is questionable. Another source says some researchers are saying this but doesn't name any researchers or cite those sources. Meanwhile, the other six sources imply that it IS possible for DID to exist without trauma.

You can't possibly have OSDD without trauma: Neither of the two sources that suggest DID can only be caused by trauma mention OSDD at all.

You can't be a system without DID/OSDD: None of the sources suggest you need DID/OSDD to be a system or to be plural.

So far, you've failed to prove you can't be a system without DID or OSDD. You've failed to show you can't have OSDD without trauma. And the case for DID being exclusive to trauma frankly looks weaker than before you started talking.

Incredible work so far!!!

And I mean that in the way that nothing about this is remotely credible!

Ugh. There is SO much wrong here. First, no sources for their claims about tulpamancy.

Now, tulpamancy draws its name from a Tibetan Buddhist practice called sprul pa.

This is not the same practice though. And the Tibetan Buddhist practice is NOT CALLED TULPAMANCY.

Something which should be obvious to anyone who knows even the most basic facts about language, with the -mancy suffix being derived from Latin. And tulpamancy as a practice generally isn't religious.

From Dr. Samuel Veissiere of McGill University:

The community is primarily divided between so-called psychological and metaphysical explanatory principles. In the psychological community, neuroscience (or folk neuroscience) is the explanation of choice. Tulpas are understood as mental constructs that have achieved sentience. The metaphysical explanation holds that Tulpas are agents of supernatural origins that exist outside the hosts’ minds, and who come to communicate with them. Of 118 respondents queried on the question, 76.5% identified with the psychological explanation, 8.5% with the metaphysical, and 14% with a variety of “other” explanations, such as a mixture of psychological and metaphysical.

When discussing the research into tulpamancy, we're not discussing a religious or spiritual practice that's been validated by psychologists.

We're talking about a primarily psychological practice that's been validated by psychologists.

And as for the DSM quote, it confirms that religious practices aren't a disorder. Cool. But it also implies that religious practices can result in multiple distinct personality states. Hence why they needed that criterion. It's not stated as explicitly in the DSM as in the ICD, but the implication is there, especially when taken together.

Whether you call these "alters" or not is up to you. Most endogenic systems aren't using the word "alter" to describe their headmates.

But regardless of the word, what the research is showing is that there are multiple phenomena which can result in people having multiple self-conscious agents sharing the same body.

I mean, you've still done a really bad job at showing DID and OSDD form purely from trauma, with many of your sources straight up saying the opposite.

And remember, a lot of mixed origin systems will say that their other headmates aren't caused by or related to their disorder. And there are documented cases of people with DID both having alters associated with DID, and having non-aversive entities they commune with outside of that, as Kluft references in this paper:

The woman he describes here, who experienced ceding control to another entity who talked through her, would qualify as a mixed origin system in the modern plural community.

SIX OF YOUR EIGHT SOURCES LEFT THE DOOR OPEN FOR DID TO FORM WITHOUT TRAUMA!

NONE CLAIMED OSDD COULD ONLY COME FROM TRAUMA!

NONE CLAIMED YOU NEEDED DID OR OSDD TO BE PLURAL!

Your sources are NOT claiming what you think they're claiming!!!!!!!

If this is "all the proof you need," to say endogenic systems aren't valid, it's clear you were only ever interested in confirming your worldview.

But surely you can't seriously think this will convince anyone who isn't already indoctrinated!

Not even addressing this in full. It's such a blatant strawman that it's not worth my time.

There are similarities between plurality and being LGBTQ. Especially to the many trans systems out there who are seeing anti-endos use the same rhetoric that transmeds have. Or like you did earlier, are endorsing the same types of views that led to homosexuality being pathologized until the 70s. But nobody is saying it's the exactly the same!

I'm not sure what this is specifically referring to. But it might be about the line in the differential diagnosis for DID in the PTSD section where it's stated DID may not be preceded by trauma or have co-occurring PTSD symptoms.

It does also say in another section that DID is associated with trauma, but it never actually says that's the only way to get DID.

This is a straight-up lie. Most sources used by endogenic systems are less than a decade old, with some being as recent as 2023.

Here's the breakdown of some of the dates in @guardianssystem's doc, for reference:

I mean, I feel like part of the reason nobody has been able to disprove it is because a lot of its more specific claims have been really hard to test.

But that's neither here nor there.

The bigger issue you'll run into is that the creators of the theory you're citing have stated that there may be other ways for people to be plural. Or as they phrased it, having "conscious and self-conscious dissociated parts."

The above quote is from two of the three authors of The Haunted Self, the creators of the theory of the structural dissociation.

The TOSD is made to propose a way trauma can cause dissociative disorders to develop. But it does NOT suggest you need to have dissociative disorders to be plural, and I doubt the authors appreciated their work being twisted like that

Final Grade:

F-

This started with three goals.

Let's look back at them one last time.

You can't possibly have DID without trauma.

You can't possibly have OSDD without trauma.

You can't be a system without DID/OSDD.

By the end of this, have any of these claims successfully been proven?

I don't feel they have.

The first claim is what all the sources tried to focus on. But most of the sources didn't say that and didn't support it. All but two implied that DID could possibly form other ways.

And for the others? Nothing suggests OSDD can only be caused by trauma.

And you failed to provide any sources that suggested you couldn't be plural without DID and OSDD.

You completely and utterly failed to find decent sources to back up your claims, and to make a compelling case for them, at every conceivable juncture.

If I were you, I would be embarrassed to have put out something of such poor quality.

What have we learned:

Non-disordered and endogenic plurality has been supported and validated across the psychological field, including the World Health Organization's ICD-11 and Trasngender Mental Health which has been reviewed and published by the American Psychiatric Association.

The creators of the theory of structural dissociation believe it might be possible that "self-conscious dissociative parts of the personality" might form without trauma and that this needs to be further researched.

Tulpamancy is a mostly psychological practice that has been studied and validated by psychologists.

Anti-endos are really bad at sources.

Conversely, the majority of endogenic sources are actual peer reviewed academic papers. And contrary to false claims here, many of the papers are actually very recent.

(Tagging some tags from the original post)

#syscourse #pro endogenic #pro endo #anti endogenic #anti endo #did #did osdd #osddid #osdd #sysblr #plural #plurality #multiplicity #endogenic #systems #system #actually plural #actually a system #psychiatry #psychology #(Tagging some of these tags from the original post)

[pluralkittenz]

Heyy guys , your daily reminder to not change urself for fakeclaimers lol

They do NOT care if you do , you might as well be their next target .

Or not , but do keep in mind that they do NOT open an exception 4 u to view your experience as valid because you're " special " or sum shit

If u like to act in a cringy way BE CRINGE bros

#actually did #actually dissociative #actually traumagenic #did osdd #did system #dissociative identity disorder #dissociative system #hc did #non traumagenic dni #osddid #endos dni #endos fuck off

[littlest-bugz]

I don't know who else needs to hear this, but living as a system, as a collective, instead of a singular identity is not anti-recovery. It's not a crime to be open about such an intrinsic, undeniable part of yourself.

Having Resolution [functional multiplicity/plurality] as an end goal is not anti-recovery. Recovery is not the same for everyone, and to assume that it is the same is to be close-minded.

It is not anti-recovery to want system friends or system partners. Or have them, for that matter. I see a lot of unusual people on r/fdc say that wanting system friends or partners is anti-recovery. It's not. You can want friends who are systems- aka those who will fully understand your unique struggles as a system.

Living functionally as a system is not being ''half healed''. Whoever made up that notion is kind of??? questionable at best. You can have worked through trauma recovery and still have functional multiplicity/plurality as a goal or have reached that point of being functional.

#final fusion is still valid tho!!! #there is nothing wrong with final fusion #littlest_bugz og #important #system posting #sysblr #osddid #did community #did system #cdd community #system community #system stuff #did #did osdd #polyfrag did #polyfragmented #dissociative identity disorder #did stuff #actually did #osdd #osdd system #osdd did #system

[lorelei-system]

May have discovered a demon alter (named Azriel, amazing name btw), and that made me think:

Everyone always talks about “evil alters”, and while problematic and harmful alters are obviously a thing, our system is more likely to have alters who see themselves as evil. Alters that feel like they are bad and undeserving of love, that have been told that they do everything wrong, that they were a mistake, that they are hated. Alters that are born from that type of abuse, or exist to deal with that type of trauma, are quite likely to take on forms that are deemed “evil”, like demons or horrifying creatures etc.

And I’m sure we’re not the only system with alters that, in innerworld, look scary, but they’re actually not once you get to know them.

So shout-out to alters who see themselves as evil, or have been called evil. You deserve to exist, and you deserve to be happy.

#did osdd #did alter #did system #osddid #actually did #osdd system #did community #danny’s tag

[system-hottakes]

Heres a hot take

I’m anti endo I have to start off by saying that

But also, I don’t think all endos are faking. Of course some of them are, but I think a majority are probably misinformed kids who either are systems and don’t remember their trauma/dont think their trauma was “bad enough”, or people just getting fed misinformation and thinking that their symptoms are of being an endo system when it’s actually something else

And honestly, this brings up another reason that endos are bad because that is so much misinformation

Fuck endos especially ones who spread that misinformation.

-👑🥀

yeah, I don't think all endos are faking. Some are in denial, some don't remember their trauma, some are confused, being manipulated, ect. There's lots of reasons why someone might think they're endo, but I still don't like them. They spread misinformation and while I feel bad for them I wouldn't want them here, even if they were in denial.

And yeah, misinformation is one of the worst parts of endos, it's why they're so bad. Almost every endo spreads misinformation at varying degrees, using the term endo itself is spreading misinformation as it's not possible to be an endo system.

#Hope this doesn't seem like I'm arguing with you anon #I'm agreeing with you + adding on my own opinions #anti endo #did system #system #actually did #alters #did #endos dni #hot takes #hot take #did osdd #👑🥀 anon

[theinfernalcollective]

The movie 'Inside Out', is probably one of the best representations of DID/OSDD.

The quote "im done! You pretend to be Joy!" Is a perfect example of one of the parts in the system stepping in for the host who isn't fronting at the time.

The movie was pretty much indirectly made about systems, the struggles of systems and the inner world.

- Phoenix

#did #dissociative identity disorder #dissociative system #did system #system #did osdd #traumagenic system #actually did #osdd #not endo safe #inside out

[antiendovents]

We just saw a fucking Zionist pro-endo say that if a system supports Palestine then we're faking???? I can't even comprehend the mental gymnastics it takes to even consider that 'conclusion'

what— I just.. WHAT.

#I do not understand how stupid someone has to be to come to this conclusion #anti endo #did #did system #endos dni #plural #actually did #system #alters #endos fuck off #did osdd

[thestarpletsystem]

Systems who both mask and don't are cool

Systems who are diagnosed are cool

Systems who are undiagnosed are cool

Systems who can’t or don't want to get diagnosed for whatever reason are cool

Systems that are nonhuman heavy are cool

Systems that are introject heavy are cool

Systems that are brainmade heavy are cool

Systems that split easily/often are cool

Systems that don’t split easily/often are cool

Systems that have no host are cool

Systems with unknown trauma are cool

Systems who don't have trauma are cool

Systems that weren't created by trauma are cool

Systems that chose to form are cool

Systems who have high alter counts are cool

Systems who have low alter counts are cool

Systems with medium alter counts are cool

Systems who identify with neopronouns and xenogenders are cool

Systems who also have other disorders are cool

Systems who don't have other disorders are cool

Systems who love their system are cool

All systems are cool. No matter where you come from! You're all super cool and amazing and I love you all

#endo safe #actually did #did osdd #plural community #plural stuff #plural system #traumagenic system #did system #pluralgang #actually plural #plural positivity #plural #plural pride #plurality #multiplicity #dissociative identity disorder #pro endo #endogenic #pro endogenic #endogenic safe #system #sysblr #didblr #we need more positivity

[zero-templates]

Maladaptive daydreaming system userboxes !

-> requested by anon, read my pinned before interacting

#🥛 — userboxes #📨 – request completed #did alter #osddid #osdd #did osdd #did #cdd system #system stuff #traumagenic system #endos dni #dissociative identity disorder #proship dni #dissociative system #system #did system #osdd system #userbox #userboxes #system userboxes #system userbox #sysbox #sysboxes #maladaptive daydreaming #madd #maladaptive daydreaming disorder #maladaptive daydreamer #actually madd