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punkeropercyjackson · 1 month

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Honestly why even bother making Jason afrolatino if you're not gonna write him as he is in canon when that's what actually'd make him work good rep for us.What i mean by this is

His ego is huge,he's super tough and an edgelord,has anger issues and brutal ass tactics and is a morally gray vigilante but he's ALSO a huge woman respecter to the point he thinks they're better than men,is extremely kind with a huge soft side and his exterior attitude and Red Hood are trauma responses that're framed as valid on his end so he's not the 'Scary Black Man' stereotype and with the exception of the vigilante part this is actually a pretty common personality type for irl black men-Important note that i don't fall under the attitude but i AM a black man(and woman)

He's been a huge nerd since he's debut in both meanings of it-He's a genius who was a star student in school and loves classical literature,theater and speaking articulately and poetically but just happens not to 24/7 since he's a comic book character,not a Shakespearen one

And his soft sunshine boy with hidden depths Robin self is a critical part of making him as black latino work-You can't go with the retcon of him as a mini thug because it's extremely dangerous stereotyping

Duke as his favorite brother-It's erasure with white gringo Jason but even worse and just stupid because both of them being black would it EVEN BETTER writing they're eachother's number one Batboy pick.Ain't no nigga picking Tim when the only other black guy in the factor is Right There and fuck ya aus,keep Jason white in them and leave afrolatino Jason out of your mess

He hasn't expressed a particular preference for girls he likes but HAS for the ones he dosen't and it's preppy perfect judgemental ones who try to 'tame' him so rip all y'all's white X Readers LMFAO.Worth noting that his canon girlfriends have been a half cambodian tomboy(Rose),an edgyptian butch(Artemis)and a darkskin black woman(Dana)and that he's actively rejected a white blonde girl on the basis of her being too normal(Isabel)and Kory post deblackification so i think it's obvious where his tastes lie

You CANNOT make him and Roy or Batcest a thing-I don't think i need to explain why pairing up a white man who knew an afrolatino since he was 14 and him grown with a daughter and putting him in incest is violently antiblack

Poverty is not inherently bad in black or latino characters and there was a point in canon where it was used as simply an element in Jason's story instead of demonization so use that edition.But making him a drunkard,a smoker or a sex fiend is 100% perpetuating stereotypes and he's canonically the opposite of all three so again,sometimes things that are canon are better

Him being tall and super jacked and intimidating looking can actually enchance it-He uses it to his advantage to get people he dosen't like to fuck off because they buy into the propaganda and gives him more deepness with the rest of his personality

This includes him being a real gamer and his neapolitan food addiction and your headcanons on his other tastes should follow their lead-His favorite characters should be black and latino ones(His favorite Marvel hero is Miles Morales,it's canon to ME),he should listen to black and latino artists,he should eat black and latino food and know how to make it for that matter,etc

Back to a Duke situation-You also can't make a white woman instead of Talia his adoptive mom for obvious reasons and imo if you're gonna make him and Stephanie besties,she should be black too for that black best friends and found siblings rep(She works as a black woman as much as he does a black man and i'll make a manifesto of that like i did him if asked).This applies to the Team Dad Jason take too in the sense that he should mentoring Damian and Nell and Tiffany since they're Batgirls instead of white kids

In summary what i'm trying to say is:If you're going to see Jason as an afrolatino man,you need to go beyond just the aesthetic and little bits you feel like including because you think they're appealing and actually write him as an afrolatino man,as Jason Todd and not some random guy

@nogender-onlystars @willieoo @mayameanderings @desi-pluto @insomniac-jay @vulnonapixes-dc-corner

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but-a-humble-goon · 2 months

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Thinking about Stephanie with kids again. Thinking about how she hard she tries to be the hero for them that Batman never was for her.

#stephanie brown #spoiler #robin #batgirl #nell little #damian wayne

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jasontoddssuper · 11 months

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The greatest irony in the Batfam is that they wear masks for being superheroes but are at their most autistic when they wear their costumes.Diversity win indeed

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kerakeriza · 9 months

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anyone is fine, i just really wanna date!!

#damian wayne #lian harper #milagro reyes #mia mizoguchi #nell little #maps mizoguchi #damimaps #daminell #damilian #damilagro #dc comics #art tag

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deadletterpoets · 2 years

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In case it somehow isn't clear you're not gonna convince me Barbara Gordon being Batgirl in most adaptations isn't a problem because she's the "most known" Batgirl to the casual audience. The casual audience doesn't give a fuck about anything.

But just to make it clear, I am a Babsgirl hater, CassBatgirl stan, BabsOracle worshipper, StephBatgirl supporter, and AlysiaBatgirl champion. Hell I'd take Nell and Tiffany being Batgirl in comics or adaptations over Babs any day.

Don't come into my ask saying stupid shit like "Babs is the most known"

#cassandra cain #stephanie brown #barbara gordon #alysia yeoh #nell little #tiffany fox #batgirl #dc #dc comics #oracle #this is the only warning

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secondgenerationnerd · 2 months

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How did you decide which characters goes with which group? Like why put Jon, Damian, Colin, Lian, etc on the same team?

……purely for the fucking vibes if I’m totally honest 😂😂

Like my main teams I write/think about are:

Omega squad—Damian Wayne, Mar’i Grayson, Lian Harper, Colin Wilkes, Milagro Reyes, Jai West, and Irey West

Epsilon Squad—Maya Ducard, Kathy Branden, Nell Little, Anissa Pierce, Jennifer Pierce, Sin Lance, and Tiffany Fox

YJL—Ceridian’ahm, Zachary Zatara, Lucy Quinzel, Connor Lance-Queen, Matty West, Jania West, and Luca Gordon-Grayson (mostly OCs, but the last names should help understand who’s kids they are)

Like that’s 22 characters ON THOSE TEAMS ALONE, who’s general vibes are “I will call you a little bitch if you touch my fries, but if ANYONE disrespects you, their body will never be discovered.”

Past that it boiled down to “what are the funniest people to put on a team together”

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diddle-riddle · 1 year

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Batkids - Evolution Board

Here comes how I headcanon the Batkids’ legacy (centering on the main Batfamily, I’ll make an extended version afterwards if you want ^^) through the ages and the titles they wear, first in canon then into their future!

Starring the team by oldest to youngest instead of by appearance :)

1) Barbara Gordon

Batgirl > Oracle > Mayor of Gotham

- Batgirl (at 18 when she makes her own path into vigilantism then teams-up with the orginal Dynamic Duo). - Oracle (after the Joker shot her while, as an adult in her early thirties, she distanced from vigilantism and was wearing her Batgirl uniform only occasionally). - Mayor of Gotham (she gives her ‘Oracle’ title to a reformed Edward Nygma who fully joined the Batfamily and dedicates herself to politics the official way since then, until her election as the new Mayor).

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2) Dick Grayson

Robin > Nightwing > Batman > Nightwing > Retired

- Robin (at 11 after Bruce took him under his wing). - Nightwing (the disco suit version at 18 after he quit, then the black and blue classical one after Barbara became Oracle). - Batman (during the transition period over which Bruce was presumed dead). - Nightwing (after Bruce returned). - Retired (after Barbara and him married and he decided to fully dedicate himself to being a husband, a father and Babs’ main support over her political campaign).

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3) Jason Todd

Robin > League of Assassins soldier > Red Hood

- Robin (at 10 after Bruce took him in and up to 16 when he was murdered by the Joker). - League of Assassins soldier (up to his early twenties when he lived with Talia al Ghul and followed her training). - Red Hood (first a villain when he returns to Gotham, then an antihero who progressively grows closer to the Batfamily. He keeps his Red Hood title up to his old days).

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4) Cassandra Cain

Batgirl > Black Bat > Batman

- Batgirl (at 16 when she arrives in Gotham and after Barbara then Bruce and Tim took her in and considered her a true ally then a family member - she keeps her title until she gives it to Stephanie when thinking Bruce has died and she doesn’t want to fight for him anymore). - Black Bat (once she returns to Gotham after living a couple years in Hong Kong away from the bats-and-birds). - Batman (when Bruce solemnly hands over to her his cape and cowl, he chooses her as his rightful heir).

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5) Tim Drake

Robin > Red Robin > Phoenix > Dark Phoenix

- Robin (at 13 after he stalked Bruce and until they cross paths, less than six months after Jason’s death). - Red Robin (after he was forced to quit for a short period when his father found out about his activities and after Stephanie’s death, he couldn’t take back his old costume so he upgraded his outfit and his name along the way). - Phoenix (over his mid-twenties when he decided to make a name for himself and take a chance into the ‘other side’ of the fight). - Dark Phoenix (a nickname given by the press he ended up adopting after his team and him killed the next generation of Batman and Superman, aka Cassandra and Kon-El, what signed his definitive tipping point).

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6) Stephanie Brown

Spoiler > Robin > Spoiler > Batgirl > Nightwing > Batman

- Spoiler (at 13 to frame her dad and spoil his plans before she bonded with Robin!Tim ; she takes nearly eight months off the Game to handle her pregnancy at 15 and its aftermath, needing time to recover after putting her baby up to adoption, then resumes the fight and meets Batgirl!Cassandra plus Oracle!Barbara). - Robin (at 17 when Bruce finally takes her in). - Spoiler (after Bruce fires her, leading to her ‘death’ and her spending nearly two years far from Gotham, in Kenya to recover with Leslie Thompkins. She returns at 19 wearing her original alias). - Batgirl (at 19 when Cassandra abandons the title and she takes up the mantle for ten years to come). - Nightwing (at 31, after two years off the the game to welcome her daughter Taylor ; she passed the Batgirl mantle to her apprentice Nell Little during her pregnancy). - Batman (the one she never wanted to take up, but endorsed after Cassandra’s death to carry on the legacy).

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7) Damian Wayne

Robin > Angel > Nightwing

- Robin (at 10 when he arrives in Gotham and meets his father, then forms a Dynamic Duo with him and with Dick during the transition period Bruce is out). - Angel (at 20, he gives the Robin title to Carrie Kelley the same time Steph gives the Batgirl mantle to Nell Little). - Nightwing (when Stephanie becomes Batman).

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cherryberribelle · 10 months

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She has come so far!

I really love her in this scene. I will die to protect her smile. Bonus shot of Nell because it's Nell.

#orihime inoue #nelliel tu odelschwanck #nell little #bleach tybw #bleach

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batfamquotes · 10 months

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nell little watching the wayne siblings during a training session: Isn't it amazing how much brothers and sisters learn from each other?

jake grayson: I learn a lot from Mar'i because she makes so many mistakes.

#nell little #batfam #batkids #jake grayson #the flying graysons #batgirl #my post #mar'i grayson #nightstar #flying graysons

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athena14044 · 2 years

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BATGIRLS previous version - robins batman

#dc #barbara gordon #cassandra cain #stephanie brown #bette kane #nell little #tiffany fox #helena bertinelli #charlie gage radcliffe #liz draws

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random-gotham-bystander · 1 year

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This isn’t a vote for your favorite batgirl, this is a I’m just curious how many people know who the OG batgirl was, so imma make a silly little quiz for fun.

Don’t cheat by looking it up or reading the tags, just vote who you think it is first, then you can look at the answer in the tags.

#dc comics #batfam #batgirl #batgirls #Imma put the answer in the tags #so dont cheat #cassandra cain #barbara gordon #tiffany fox #bette kane #harper row #kathy duquesne #dc nissa #nell little #stephanie brown #alysia yeoh #who is the original batgirl?#the answer: Bette Kane

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punkeropercyjackson · 4 months

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My personal fancasts for Jason,Duke and Nell(Aubrey Joseph,Issac Ryan Brown and Sanai Victoria)

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soleminisanction · 2 years

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This post spun a little out of control, but it was inspired by @avaraydrake's tags on my previous Jordanna Spence essay. (Thank you for that, btw. Sincerely, they were great to read and clearly gave me a lot to think about.) Specifically, it started from their comments on this scene:

Which I read as Steph abandoning Jordanna while she's unconscious, while avaraydrake pointed out that this is standard first aid practice. Which is true. I personally expect a superhero to do more than just the standard practice, but it is true... in a vacuum.

The reason this moment stands out to me, the reason I tend to focus on it, has to do with a recurring problem throughout the series that isn't directly related to Jordanna. But to explain what that problem is, I'm going to have to jump ahead a few issues, to Issue 8 -- the Red Robin crossover.

See, all through the Batgirl side of the crossover -- in-between insulting Tim, stalking Tim, and also that weirdly sexist dress thing @mzminola pointed out -- Steph is constantly insisting to Tim that she's "different now." That he has to trust and like and respect her again because she's "changed" from the person who tried to chase him down for attention. Even though she spends the entire issue... chasing him down for attention.

Ultimately, the thread culminates in this page:

Which, if you've been paying attention to the series up to this point, rings completely hollow. Frankly, it feels like Steph is just bullshitting Tim because she wants to prove him wrong about her.

Because see, up to literally this very issue? Steph doesn't help, rescue, or assist a single Gotham citizen. She just fights people.

Her first scene certainly wasn't about helping anyone, given that she beat both the racers up and then got them arrested. The second time we see her suit up, she leaps in to save a cop... only because he is Detective Nicholas "St. Nick" Gage, who gets more page time than Barbara, flirts with Steph constantly, and is (very weirdly) basically the deurotagonist of the series.

And even then, Steph doesn't actually save him -- she swings in, punches one guy, and then while she's busy posing and thinking, "ooooh, the cop is pretty," Nick gets them both blown out of the window.

Continuing on to the party scene, even if you don't think Steph abandons Jordanna at that moment, she's not shown helping her either. No one is, really.

And then that, of course, leads into her big confrontation with Scarecrow which... also isn't about saving anyone. It's about how Steph is so strong and stubborn and full of hope (I think?) that she's able to overcome "her ''''worst''' self" (people telling her that she's a shitty superhero), and that's what makes her so inspiring and is why she deserves "a second chance."

That pattern continues for almost the entire first year. Steph doesn't save anyone until Issue 8, when she helps Tim protect Leslie Tompkins. The first time she so much as thinks about protecting "the people of Gotham" comes in Issue 9, and even when it does it's with this... really uncomfortable dynamic, which actually starts back in Issue 4.

See, in Issue 4, during Steph's first patrol in her shiny new ugly Batgirl costume, the first thing Steph does is knock a pair of robbers off a skyscraper, only thinking to ask how much weight a grapple line can hold after they're in free-fall. She winds up swinging them down into a tour bus. It's unclear if Steph is even aware the tourists are there, but to be fair she is trying not to die.

The tourists immediately swarm to start taking pictures (starting with her butt, of course), when Steph is suddenly approached by a certain doe-eyed little girl.

This girl is named Nell Little which, in addition to never being spoken in the text (we only know because of an interview Brian Q. Miller gave at some point), is suspiciously close to Little Nell, Charles Dickenson's archetypal too-good-for-this-sinful-earth angel-victim-child.

Nell Little is a semi-recurring character throughout the book, having 4 appearances over the course of the 2 years. Her personality is sweet and innocent; her likes are Stephanie, trying to be like Stephanie, and watching Stephanie beat up bad guys; and her role in the narrative is to admire Stephanie's every move, tell her what a good job she's doing, and occasionally be put in danger so that Stephanie can rescue her.

I find this recurring dynamic to be extremely off-putting. It doesn't help that this is neither the first nor the last time DC will give Stephanie a young black sycophant and... I dunno, it just hits a weird note.

That note is then amplified by the fact that Nell is present at Steph's first-ever civilian rescue in Issue 9, which ends like this:

...with a literal "and then everyone clapped" while the guy that Steph literally just finished beating up calls her "beautiful" and immediately develops a massive crush on. He's the one who winds up being the Gray Ghost, btw, and when he turns back up he starts addressing Steph exclusively as, "My Violet Avenger."

I'd forgotten that was a thing. Gross.

Also doesn't help that the only thoughts Steph has during the sequence (aside from mindless comedic set-up about her mundane evening checklist) come in this panel:

Where she's literally preening and singing her own praises, with the people she saved boiled down to nothing but, "Zero collateral damage," which just as well might be referring to train.

Then the second rescue we see her do (Issue 10), ends like this:

While the third isn't actually a rescue, it's the big saving-the-world moment from the end of the first year's arc, which just happens to also involves Steph saving Barbara.

(This arc also ends with a still-shot of Steph while someone -- I think the Gray Ghost, but it's left deliberately vague in the panel -- declares, "She's amazing, isn't she?" Put a pin in both of these snapshots for later).

The fourth rescue is a team-up with Damian, which is also the third encounter with Nell Little in Issue 17. It's the closest thing Nell gets to character development, in that she ends the issue thinking that Robin is totally the coolest now, too, and also she's portrayed as sooooo pure that she can help Stephanie make Damian act more like A Real Boy.

Notably, she doesn't trip over herself to tell Damian what a great job he's doing. He just gets a goodbye.

And the last one -- if you stretch the definition of rescue -- comes in Issue 18, the Valentine's story where Steph helps return Teekl, and that instantly wins Klarion over as her best buddy. He ends off that story telling her how unique she is -- sincerely, while the context and the pause in her line makes it read as a backhanded compliment, like she was stopping herself from saying, "Weird."

And that's it for rescues, but Steph does have one more interaction with the public, in the very last issue. It's just.... ugh.

If you read a lot of superhero comics, I kind of hope you see the trend here that makes me so uncomfortable. This isn’t even including all the times she runs into Detective St. Nick, who ends every single one of their interactions (and half of his interactions with Barbara) singing Stephanie's praises, right up until he has to shade in his Tragic Backstory.

Or all the encounters with the aforementioned Gray Ghost, who cannot shut up about “My Violet Avenger” and how gorgeously wonderful she is.

Or how Barbara, Dick, and Wendy are all made, at varying times, to say something to the extent of: “Golly! Stephanie is so amazing!” while the closest Steph gets to returning the sentiment is the moment linked above when she calls Babs, “The only person who’s ever really given a crap about me.”

Rescuing people… it’s a standard trope. The exact frequency varies a lot depending on the era, but if you pick up a random issue of a superhero comic there’s a fairly decent chance that you’ll see your hero(es) dejour saving a random civilian, or even multiple if there’s a disaster situation. I’ve probably read thousands of rescues from hundreds of heroes over the years.

Yet, off the top of my head, I can’t remember a single other rescue that ends with the recuee(s) tripping over themselves to tell the hero how great they are. I’m sure they’re out there, I’m sure plenty of heroes get a big, triumphant, "You're our hero and we love you!" moment at some point in their career. But to make that the default, universal response every single time she saves someone, or even just speaks to the public, for an entire series? That’s weird, right?

In other series, majority of the time the rescuee doesn’t do anything at all, they just get swooped off-panel. If the hero’s lucky they might get a thank-you and a chance to give a heroic one-liner. Because y’know, the act of rescuing is supposed to be enough to establish that our heroes are heroic. That they only sometimes get thanked—or heck, that people might even lash out or turn against them—helps to reinforce that the heroes aren’t just doing this for praise and affection, but because of some other, more powerful motivation.

So for Steph to only be showered with adoration at every turn, while her internal monologue focuses exclusively on how good it all makes her feel? That only reinforces the opposite feeling, that Steph's primary motivation is her own reputation and feelings, not a drive to defend other people. That these rescues are far outnumbered by big, showy spectacles where Steph can fight something and look awesome while doing it really doesn't help matters.

This is all exacerbated by two other factors, which come together with everything mentioned above to make it impossible to take her singular, isolated claim of being a hero "for the city" seriously.

The first is the way Steph reacts on the very rare occasion she feels her hero efforts aren't being appreciated. We only see this twice, once in her original meeting with Detective Nick:

(Remember that this is literally her second night out as Batgirl, and she's pissy that he didn't know her on sight.) The second incident is the protest Jordanna organizes in Issue 16, which is only done to make Jordanna look bad.

The other exacerbating circumstance is how the series ends.

Again, there's two factors here. The first is the Black Mercy illusion that Steph is put under, where again, a huge deal is made of how special Stephanie is for being able to break herself out of the illusion, before going into an 8 page montage of Steph getting to be the main character of the entire universe forever, and everyone's favorite superhero, while people sing her praises.

I don't have space for it here because this post is already too long but one of these days I'm going to break down what that whole sequence says about Steph's character when you analyze it in-universe. But more pressing to this post is the conversation surrounding that montage, the last scene in the entire series.

Just for comparison—Tim ends both Robin and Red Robin thinking about his responsibility to Gotham. Cass's Batgirl series ends with her unhappily killing her mother at Shiva's request and walking dramatically off into the night. The contemporary Nightwing series ends with Dick taking Babs tandem skydiving, asking her to “let him do the flying.” Impulse ends with Bart bonding with his new guardians, and Superboy with Kon moving to Kansas and talking about making Clark proud.

Batgirl (2009) ends with Stephanie talking about herself, how many wonderful adventures she's been on, and how this moment is hers and that makes it special and also did we mention she likes purple? Babs is also there to tell her how special and wonderful she is for always being a happy widdle Pollyanna.

And that's really the central problem here.

I am not inclined to give Steph's actions the benefit of the doubt throughout this series because the series is utterly Stephanie-obsessed. Steph only saves people so they can tell her how wonderful she is. All the supporting cast, all the people in the entire city, are only there to stroke Stephanie's ego and tell her she's so amazing.

That line, waaaaaay back up there in the Red Robin crossover? Is the only time Stephanie ever spares so much as a second thought for the people of Gotham. And like I said, that comes across more as her trying to show Tim up, because she spends the entire issue trying desperately to convince him that she is "different now."

If Steph really was supposed to be "doing it for all of them," if her motivation was supposed to be for the sake of others, the writer utterly failed to communicate that because he was way too interested in sucking her dick.

So yeah. Long post but, again, thank you @avaraydrake, because I've been trying to put this sentiment into words for a couple of years now and for some reason your tags gave me the perfect starting point.

#batgirl 2009 #batgirls #stephanie brown #dc comics #meta #batgirl 2009 critical #stephanie brown critical #red robin #nell little #batgirl #writing analysis #character analysis #red robin crossover #long post #image heavy #screenshots

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jasontoddssuper · 6 months

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DC characters i think have tgirl swag:

1.All the Wonderfam girls.Pretty self-explanatory,they're literally ancient greek women

2.Lian.Idc that we were introduced to her since she was a baby,she's my stepdaughter so i know her better than DC.Hope that helps👍🏼Also obligatory blue hair and pronouns joke

3.KORY Everything about her screams femme trans woman from her personality to her looks and relathionships and she gets extra swag for being a darkskinned black one

4.Batgirl is an inherently transfem mantle just like Robin is an inherently trans one in general

5.Meloni.Trans milf rights and she's a badass sweetheart who's super funny just like all irl trans women

6.Rose.No cis woman could be that cool and her relathionship with Slade gains even more depth with a trans woman narrative

7.Onto egg headcanons,Bart and Thad but in opposite directions!!Bart is a pastel 'kiddy' soft uwu girl who gets gender euphoria from looking exactly like her mom and Thad finds freedom and comfort in the 'edgier'(meaning alt)types of girlhood and her mental health improves greatly after she realizes she's trans.The Bart one was partially inspired by a Konbart post i saw paralleling them to Peter Pan and Wendy because of Kon's canon Peter Pan motif so they're transmasc4transfem!!

8.Dick!!@chadfarsight told me that she headcanons her as a trans woman because DC tries so hard to force stereotypical cishet masculinity on her that it comes across as ooc and is also heavily disrepectful to her original writing like her romance with Kory and friendships with the other Titans(and Roy is also included in romances imo and i can point to some Dickroy and Jaderoy parallels pretty easily).That and the fandom makes babygirl-coded and eldest daughter syndrome about her so often and keeps making her apperance,mannerisms and gender presentation more feminine than in canon so at this point i'm like *Shrugs*'Well,if you guys say she's a woman,who am i to deny her the right to be a girlboss?'And the idea of the first superhero kid sidekick growing up to be a trans woman is just very pog

9.Maya,Maps and Kathy aka the Damian Teen Titans generation girls we deserved.Maya is giving the cool older girl variant,Maps' personality and gender presentation is very younger trans girl energy to me as someone who's meet many of them and Kathy is simply a trans dorkgirl

10.Every Superfam girl except Mia(who has transmasc girl swag).I'm a Superfam member so trust me on this,it's canon

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