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John Egbert, Jade Harley, Jaspersprite

Act 6, page 5283-5307

JOHN: jade...

JADE: hm?

JOHN: i think i just realized something.

JADE: what?

JOHN: THIS MOVIE FUCKING SUCKS!!!

JADE: whaaat

JADE: but you love this movie!

JOHN: yeah, i know.

JOHN: i mean... i thought i did.

JOHN: it's been kind of a long time since i last saw it. i really remember it being a lot better than this!

JOHN: but now everything just seems so cheesy and stupid.

JADE: but you were making such a big deal about finally getting me to watch it with you on your birthday!

JADE: you were going on and on about how i wouldnt be disappointed... but now youre saying you dont like it?

JOHN: i don't know. i'm trying to like it. i WANT to like it.

JOHN: i want to feel the same magic that was there all the other times i watched it.

JOHN: but i can't, because...

JOHN: it's just...

JOHN: not...

JOHN: good. :(

JADE: really?

JADE: i was actually kind of enjoying it!

JADE: its very silly

JADE: i really dont think its the kind of movie youre supposed to take all that seriously john

JOHN: but i DID take it seriously!!!

JOHN: i guess maybe that's kind of the point.

JOHN: i always thought all this hokey bullshit was legitimately awesome and compelling.

JOHN: what was i even thinking!

JADE: i dunno....

JADE: but people can change their minds about things

JADE: i think youre allowed to change your mind about a silly movie

JADE: i used to LOVE the squiddles show when i was really young

JADE: but as i got older i started to realize it wasnt as great as i thought it was

JADE: i was just too young to see how it was actually a flagrant vehicle for selling merchandise

JADE: and if you believed the conspiracy theorists it might have even been pushing some other dark hidden agendas.....

JADE: so i stopped liking the show itself as much but that didnt change the fact that i had a lot of fond memories about it

JADE: i still loved all the cute characters and could enjoy it on a nostalgic level

JOHN: well, maybe later i'll be able to rekindle some nostalgic feelings about it.

JOHN: but right now, i just feel like a dope for talking this up so hard.

JADE: what is even the problem with it?

JADE: ive just been watching this and thinking, yup, i can see why john was so obsessed with this movie...

JADE: its funny!

JOHN: it's just non stop terrible action movie cliches!

JOHN: look.

JOHN: i love nic cage. he is basically my hero, ok?

JOHN: but i'm kind of just realizing now that he is EMBARRASSINGLY BAD in this movie!

JOHN: he is just doing this corny parody of a southern guy who is down on his luck, and acts "charming" with his goofy accent and stuff.

JOHN: some things i used to think were so badass are just coming off as ridiculous now.

JOHN: can you believe that one time we were watching this movie, when he said "put the bunny back in the box" i actually high fived my dad?

JOHN: this time that line just made me roll my eyes.

JOHN: there's so much crappy dialogue!

JOHN: "cyrus, this is your barbecue, and it tastes good..." arrgh!

JADE: but he was trying to sound like a hardened criminal to win the trust of john malkovich!

JOHN: jade, please. it was a cheesy line, don't be so naive.

JADE: what!!

JADE: you spent your whole life worshiping this dumb movie and now youre calling ME naive????

JOHN: ok, i'm sorry. i guess in fairness to you, you have only just begun to climb the steep learning curve of this vexing and hypnotic film.

JOHN: but i am no longer bound by its spell, jade.

JADE: oh god

JADE: vexing and hypnotic??

JADE: its a movie full of explosions about a guy with a mullet

JADE: what is with you lately? you seem to be in such a crappy mood these days

JOHN: i am fine. this MOVIE is what's crappy these days.

JADE: oh bluh bluh

JADE: can we just finish the rest of the movie?

JADE: look you made us miss a whole bunch of stuff!

JADE: hang on im going to rewind it...

JOHN: who even cares what we missed.

JOHN: just cameron stupid poe in his idiot wife beater babbling some more southern home spun heroic nonsense.

JOHN: heart of gold my ass!!!!!

JOHN: everything dave ever said about this movie was right! i can't believe i used to think he was just trolling me.

JOHN: the stupid junkyard scene where cyrus makes a little model out of rocks and stuff, just so he could tell the criminals to surround some army guys and shoot them... that was pointless!

JOHN: and all this heavy handed scoring. oh my god. the music makes every little thing into such a federal issue!

JOHN: like... oh man, SOME MINOR CHARACTERS BEING INTRODUCED IN SLOW MOTION! dun-dun dun-dun DUN DUN DUN!!!

JOHN: there. now you officially know they are all badasses.

JOHN: also, i somehow didn't even remember dave chappelle being in this movie. he was pointless too.

JADE: whos dave chappelle?

JOHN: and you know the malloy guy, the dick head cop who we're supposed to hate, because of how he gives john cusack a hard time and makes asshole decisions with a helicopter?

JOHN: well screw that! he wasn't so bad. so what if he was a little grumpy? he was just trying to do his job. he had one of the best lines in the movie actually, which was another thing we were supposed to hate him for.

JOHN: what was it? about how cusack was probably out saving a tree and recycling his sandals or some shit? HAHAHA! now that i think about it, i fucking LOVE malloy.

JOHN: i'm going to rewind it to watch that scene again...

JADE: no!!!

JADE: dont touch the remote

JOHN: oh, and we're supposed to be like "YEAH" when cusack wrecks malloy's awesome sports car.

JOHN: but that was a nice car! john cusack shouldn't have ruined it like that for laughs.

JOHN: i know *I* wasn't laughing, were you?

JADE: YES :p

JOHN: john cusack was such a terrible character in this movie now that i think about it. i don't really get what he added to it?

JOHN: he was like the second hero... but dorkier? what did he even really do? he scampered around the junkyard for a while goofing off, and then when it was his time to shine...

JOHN: HE DEMONSTRATED HIS MASTERY OVER HEAVY MACHINERY! wow, he can operate a crane! i am thrilled by the exploits of this pedantic weenie.

JOHN: i guess he's actually like cage's estranged sidekick? almost like the robin that batman never realized he had.

JOHN: now that i think about it, this movie was always an oddly poignant tale of bromance between cage and cusack. just two bros separated by destiny, waiting to be united.

JOHN: when they finally come together to kick some ass, it is arguably more moving than when he reunites with his wife and daughter!

JOHN: i wonder if i'll think that scene sucks now too? it used to move me to tears, but now i'll probably think it's so lame, i'm almost afraid to watch it. maybe i should try to leave at least SOME memories untainted.

JADE: john you are kind of sounding like a crazy person here

JOHN: yeah right! crazy like a fOWWW!

JADE: what???

JOHN: oh...

JOHN: i guess there was a stray feather clinging to my pajamas and it just poked me in the ass.

JOHN: god damn dave sprite.

JOHN: that guy molts like it's going out of style.

JADE: oh...

JADE: heh

JADE: yeah

JOHN: where is he anyway?

JOHN: i specifically told dave sprite several times when my party would start, because i knew he would do this.

JOHN: he's already missed half the movie!

JADE: why do you always call him dave sprite?

JOHN: um... because that's his name?

JOHN: dave sprite.

JADE: no, i mean why do you always say it like that? with the space between words?

JADE: its not dave sprite, its just davesprite

JOHN: what ever.

JOHN: i can't believe he's standing me up on my birthday.

JOHN: maybe he doesn't want to hang out with jaspers?

JOHN: jaspers, i hope you're not going to start chasing him around again when he gets here.

JASPERSPRITE: Hisssss!

JOHN: dude, shut up.

JADE: yeah.... john

JADE: i dont think davesprite is coming tonight

JOHN: aw, man. really?

JOHN: i knew we shouldn't have invited both him and jaspers.

JOHN: that's just party planning BASICS.

JADE: no...

JADE: it has nothing to do with jaspers

JOHN: oh.

JOHN: then why?

JADE: he uh...

JADE: kind of broke up with me

JOHN: what!!!

JOHN: when did that happen?

JADE: a couple days ago

JOHN: no. no way.

JOHN: i cannot accept this!

JADE: john its ok you dont have t...

JOHN: you and dave sprite were like the glue holding everything together on this miserable road trip!

JADE: we were?

JOHN: yes, jade.

JOHN: you were our rock.

JADE: your rock??

JADE: what are you talking about?

JOHN: come on, jade.

JOHN: you and dave sprite were like... an INSTITUTION on this stupid golden battleship.

JADE: we were not an institution!

JADE: you are just saying meaningless things now

JOHN: why did he break up with you?!

JADE: um...

JADE: its complicated

JADE: basically hes just going through a lot of stuff right now

JOHN: stuff??

JOHN: what stuff.

JOHN: jade, we are all going through stuff. you don't see me flying off the handle and breaking up with MY girlfriend.

JADE: do uh...

JADE: you have a girlfriend?

JOHN: that is not the point.

JOHN: the point is that dave sprite is a douche.

JADE: i dont think hes a douche, hes just...

JOHN: no, he's an orange feathery douche.

JOHN: why is he such a basket case? he's like regular dave, but like, aloof enigma edition.

JOHN: maybe it's because he's part bird? i think becoming a bird and a sprite did something weird to him.

JADE: i dont think being a bird ever bothered him

JADE: like i said... its all more complicated than that

JOHN: normal dave was so much more level headed.

JOHN: i have to admit, i spend a lot of time wondering what he and rose are up to.

JADE: me too

JOHN: ehh...

JOHN: maybe it's for the best he broke up with you.

JADE: why?

JOHN: well, what kind of future do you think you would have with him?

JOHN: he's a sprite. like really, what even is a sprite? how long do they live? will he still be around if we win the new game we are allegedly trying to get to?

JADE: i dont know

JOHN: there are a lot of things we don't know.

JOHN: and also...

JOHN: how do things even work if you marry a sprite?

JADE: what do you mean

JOHN: i mean...

JOHN: ok, he has a ghost butt, for one thing.

JADE: uh

JADE: so

JOHN: a GHOST BUTT, jade!

JADE: SO WHAT IF HE HAS A GHOST BUTT!!!!!

JOHN: i'm just saying...

JADE: WHATEVER YOURE JUST SAYING, JUST STOP SAYING IT!

JADE: and whatever youre trying to gesture with your hands there, stop doing that too!

JOHN: what? no, i was just...

JADE: nope!!! totally not talking about this

JOHN: but

JADE: put your hands down john

JOHN: ok, fine.

JADE: thats not down, thats up!

JADE: oh well, at least youre not making those unsettling gestures...

JADE: john...

JADE: what are you doing?

JOHN: nothing!

JADE: i hope youre not entertaining some awkward train of thought about, uh...

JOHN: no!!!

JADE: what is with you??

JADE: today is your birthday, youre supposed to be having fun!

JADE: but youve been so testy, as if youre committed to not having a good time

JOHN: well, maybe i'm just getting a little tired of being stuck on this lame boat!

JOHN: don't you think it's gotten kind of old?

JADE: yeah, i can see how you might find it a little slow here

JADE: i dunno, i havent minded much... maybe its different for me though because i used to live all alone?

JOHN: oh sure, i'm sure it's GREAT for you. you get to spend your days smooching and breaking up with dave sprite and what not, and you can shrink down to any old planet you feel like, any time. whereas i have to make this whole big deal of ASKING you to shrink or unshrink me, and...

JADE: but i dont mind doing that any time!!!

JOHN: i know, but you think i want to bug you about that at the drop of a hat? when you're busy and on dates and stuff? i just happen to have respect for something called PERSONAL BOUNDARIES, jade.

JOHN: and it's not like there's really anyone else to talk to, except the inscrutable chess people and a bunch of brainless consorts and an idiot cat princess. oh and also nanna, but i mean, she's my grandmother, and she's great, but a guy can only spend so much quality time with his grandmother before he starts to feel like kind of a loser whose friends are too busy to spend time with him!

JADE: john... if you told me this earlier i would have...

JOHN: and i still never visit any interesting dream bubbles, and we can't even finish our cool planet quests because the moment we broke through the window all our denizens decided to go back to sleep, and...

JOHN: i guess what i'm saying is, i'm MORE than ready to get to the other window and meet our friends and other new people and stuff.

JOHN: are you sure you can't make the ship go faster???

JADE: were already going as fast as i can make us go

JOHN: and how fast is that again?

JADE: about the speed of light!

JOHN: well, can't you use your space powers and bump it up a notch?

JADE: no! nothing can go faster than light john

JADE: unless you teleport of course

JOHN: and why can't you teleport us again?

JADE: i already explained this! i cant do that here, its not within the domain of the green sun which gives me those powers!

JOHN: is that why we can't go faster than light either?

JADE: no thats just a regular law of physics!!! jeez

JOHN: ok, i mean, i know that. but this isn't really a regular place, right?

JOHN: isn't the speed of light like a thousand miles a second? so what does that really mean here? are miles and seconds the same here as on earth? how does this nonsense dimension we're racing through jive with all the relativity mumbo jumbo?

JADE: ok first of all, thats not even close to the speed of light

JADE: light travels at a hundred and eighty six thousand miles per second no matter what frame of reference youre in... even this one!

JADE: second of all special relativity and comparing laws of physics between different frames of reference, those are tricky issues to talk about!

JADE: but id be more than happy to talk about them if youd like. actually i would enjoy that because i never really get to talk about science wi...

JOHN: no, i don't want to talk about physics! i don't know anything about the laws of physics, because they are hard and boring.

JOHN: i simply would like them to behave in a way that is most convenient to ME and MY LIFE! is that really asking too much?

JADE: yes as a matter of fact it is!

JOHN: well, guess what? SCIENCE IS STUPID BULLSHIT!!!

JADE: you take that back!!!!!

JOHN: no.

JOHN: magic is awesome.

JOHN: science blows.

JOHN: the end.

JADE: john.....

JADE: what is that?

JOHN: what?

JADE: under your hood...

JADE: looks like a piece of paper stuck to your back?

JOHN: huh?

JOHN: oh god dammit.

JOHN: STRIIIIIIDEEEERRRRRRRR!!!!!

JOHN: THAT BASTARD!!!

JADE: what?

JOHN: THIS IS TOTALLY OUTRAGEOUS.

JADE: what is it??

JOHN: I WILL TELL YOU WHAT IT IS.

JOHN: IT IS THE LAST FUCKING STRAW!!!

JOHN: RAAARARRAAUUUAAAAUUAGHGHGGHGGGGHHGH!

JADE: where are you going?

JOHN: I'M GOING TO GO KICK HIS ASS!

JADE: what! john, no...

JOHN: POSING AS MY DEAD FATHER BY MIMICKING ONE OF HIS GREAT FATHERLY NOTES HE USED TO HIDE AROUND THE HOUSE???

JOHN: AND ON THE TWO YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF THE DAY HE WAS SLAIN BY JACK NOIR, A *FACT* OF WHICH THAT CHEEKY ORANGE ASSHOLE IS PLAINLY AWARE??????

JOHN: THIS IS A NEW LOW, EVEN FOR DAVE SPRITE!

JADE: ok yes, that practical joke is in poor taste, but you should try to calm down and...

JOHN: NO, SCREW THAT, I AM SUPER PISSED OFF ABOUT THIS!

JOHN: THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO SETTLE THIS, AND THAT IS WITH AN OLD FASHIONED BEATDOWN.

JOHN: WHERE'S MY HAMMER!!!!!

JADE: um

JADE: which one?

JOHN: ANY OLD HAMMER!

JOHN: WHATEVER. IT COULD BE A HAMMER FROM THE BARGAIN BIN OF A HARDWARE STORE FOR ALL I CARE.

JOHN: JUST GIVE ME ANYTHING THAT'S FIT FOR CLOBBERING A GHOST BOTTOMED DICK FACE WHO'S ALSO A BIRD.

JADE: sigh

JOHN: I'M COMING FOR YOU, DAVE SPRITE!

JOHN: DO YOU HEAR ME, YOU MAGICAL SON OF A BITCH? I KNOW YOU CAN HEAR ME!

JOHN: THAT STUNT WASN'T COOL! *YOU'RE* NOT COOL!

JOHN: LIKE IT WASN'T BAD ENOUGH YOU DUMPED JADE FOR NO REASON. WHAT'S THE MATTER WITH YOU!

JOHN: YOU AND JADE WERE OUR ROCK ON THIS SHIP! YOU HEAR ME?? OUR ROOOOOOOOCK!!!

JADE: :|

JOHN: AND NOW *THIS* BULLSHIT??? WHAT THE HELL, MAN.

JOHN: I DON'T GO AROUND LEAVING FAKE PUZZLES FOR YOU LIKE FROM THE MOVIE SAW, DO I? HAVE YOU EVER HEARD ME SAY I WANT TO PLAY A GAME EVEN *ONCE*?? WELL, HAVE YOU????

JOHN: NO, BECAUSE THAT WOULD STIR UP PAINFUL MEMORIES OF A DEARLY DEPARTED LOVED ONE, AND THEREFORE WOULD BE UNBELIEVABLY SHITTY OF ME!!!!!!!!

JOHN: HEY! I SEE YOU THERE!

JOHN: GET DOWN FROM THERE RIGHT NOW, WISE GUY!

JOHN: OH NO, DON'T PLAY DUMB. I CAN SEE YOU PLAIN AS DAY. I'M ON TO YOU, BUDDY.

JOHN: STOP VAGUELY WATERMARKING THE SKY WITH YOUR SMUG DOUCHEY FACE THIS INSTANT AND FIGHT ME LIKE A MAN!!!

JOHN: YEAH SURE, LAUGH IT UP! THAT MAKES YOU SEEM LIKE WAY LESS OF A TOOL. NICE GOING BRO!

JOHN: EVERYONE ON THIS BOAT IS SICK AND TIRED OF YOUR BULLSHIT! WHY DON'T YOU JUST FLY AWAY AND LEAVE US ALONE?

JOHN: HOW CAN YOU BE SO MUCH MORE OF A PRICK THAN THE REAL DAVE? YOU ARE THE MOST PISS POOR SUBSTITUTE FOR A BEST FRIEND A GUY EVER HAD.

JOHN: I CAN'T *WAIT* TO MEET UP WITH THE REAL DAVE AGAIN. THAT WAY WE CAN ALL GO BACK TO THE AWESOME STATUS QUO OF PRETENDING YOU NEVER EXISTED IN THE FIRST PLACE!

JADE: john...

JADE: theres no one there

JOHN: oh he's THERE alright.

JOHN: he's probably just using some sprite magic so only i can see him.

JOHN: don't you see, jade? he's antagonizing ME PERSONALLY, not you. he's done with you, remember?

JOHN: he already used you like a rented mule, and now he is moving on to greener pastures.

JADE: what pastures

JOHN: it's me.

JOHN: I'M the pastures.

JOHN: and now his mule is grazing all over them, while he has a good laugh.

JADE: what

JADE: wasnt i supposed to be the mule?

JADE: i dont think i understand your analogy

JOHN: no, you see, it's...

JOHN: the mule represented, like...

JOHN: i don't know, like the spirit animal of his douchey ways. or something.

JADE: ....

JOHN: augh, WHO CAAARES.

JOHN: who cares about mules, or pastures, or dave sprite's stupid ephemeral sky visage.

JOHN: who cares about anything!!!

JOHN: who cares about my birthday, or nic cage, or this boat full of idiots.

JOHN: JUST.

JOHN: WHO.

JOHN: CARES.

JADE: john i think youre officially throwing a tantrum here

JADE: ...

JADE: john?

JADE: john...

JADE: are you asleep?

JADE: please dont tell me you just fell asleep in your driveway

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hsrips · 5 days

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jade !!

pages: 5290, 2851, and... whatever this is? https: //markovstuck.matoking. com/lDgPYcSJ/ (remove spaces)

that would be great if so ty!!! :B

from jade anon

Here you go! That image is from pg 7886 8tw!

#jade harley #homestuck #rips #transparents #homestuck rips #homestuck transparents

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Merge proposal from Ruger P97(edit)

I think Ruger P97 should be removed and redicted here. - RevRagnarok 02:56, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

I agree, with one caveat. The P97 article contains a table with specifications (size, weight, capacity) and I'd like to see that table moved before P97 goes away, and tables provided for the other P series models as well. scot 13:25, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, that information is just taken directly from Ruger's web site, which is a reference at the bottom. It might take a good chunk of work to copy it for every model, and if we did, it may be a copyright issue...? - RevRagnarok 00:55, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure that a list of specifications is really copyrightable; but that point aside, yes it would be a bit of work to gather all the specs together, but all the info should be on Ruger's website. Perhaps a 2-D table would be best--then not only is the info more compact and readily readable, but you work around potential copyright issues by using a far different format. Maybe something like:

ModelP-85P-89P-90P-91P-93P-94P-944P-95P-97P-345Caliber9mm9mm.45 ACP.40 S&W9mm9mm.40 S&W9mm.45 ACP.45 ACP

etc. for weight, capacity, length, etc. I can get some specs for out of production models (the P-85, P-91, P-93) from the Blue Book. Things like safety/decock/DAO, finishes (blue, SS, two-tone), availability of pitcanny rail can be noted in an 'options' row, as can the CA and MA approved status. scot 01:54, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

I think you can make tables without HTML tho with vertical bars...

Catalog IDModelFinishCaliberMag CapacityWeightP89Manual SafetyB9mm1032 oz.

I have a mat that a dealer would put on top of a glass display case to show the model without scratching the glass... picked it up off eBay a while back... it has P89-KP95, so anything newer wouldn't be on it. Has all the info I listed above. - RevRagnarok 02:51, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Naming Issue(edit)

Shouldn't this page be retitled 'Ruger P Series'. Afterall, other manufacturers use a 'P' prefix for their pistol models as well: Walther, HK, SIG, etc. --D.E. Watters 23:25, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

It probably should be. The reason it is named as it is, I had created articles that referenced 'P series' pistols and created links, and I just filled in the blank article. It'd be easy to change the links, there aren't many. On the other hand, Rugers are the only make I've heard refered to generically as 'P series', so it might be worth keeping 'P series' as a redirect. scot 13:04, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Is it 'D' or 'DC'?(edit)

My Ruger is stamped P89DC, as it is the decocker variant. Is is D or DC for the decocker?--BohicaTwentyTwo 15:02, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

'DC' on the guns, as you've seen, but 'D' in the Ruger catalog, such as: http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/FAProdView?model=3072&return=Yscot 17:02, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

I thought I wrote it pretty clearly in the article... ;) 'However, many catalogs put DC instead of D, incorrectly listing the previous example as KP95DC or even P95DC w/SS slide. This confusion likely stems from that model's slide being stamped P95DC, but Ruger's official web site and catalogs use only the 'D' suffix. ' -- RevRagnarok 02:01, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Merge Proposal(edit)

I proposed unofficially merging P97 in a long time ago. Now I'm better at this and know how to do it proper. ;) So I'd like some comment on merging in P89 and P97. There's not much there that isn't here now. — RevRagnarok 11:20, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Yep, I think the individual articles can be dispensed with now. The one possible exception would be an article for the P-345 (such article does not, to my knowledge, exist) because the P-345 is significantly different than the other P series guns. scot 15:28, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Disagree, as mentioned previously above I believe the separate articles provide more in depth information -- why should a reader be forced to wade through several pages of other information to attempt to find some particular detail that can quickly be presented on an individual page? I believe this desire to merge reflects bias on the part of authors; I am not in favor of mc-monster pages. Doug 18:58, 1 Aug 2006 (EDT)

But at what point to you split the articles? Do you have separate articles for the P-85, P-85 MKII, and P-89? Do you have different articles for the standard, decocker, and DAO models? The Picatinny rail models? What about the K- models? Those articles would be 90% the same, and keeping them in sync would be very difficult. Putting all the general information in one spot is not only more compact, but allows the reader to follow the evolution of the model line, something that is not possible with multiple articles. Another argument in favor of putting the P-89 through P-97 together is that Ruger lumps all the aluminum framed models together; safety models into one manual, decockers into one, DAO into one. The P-95 Picatinny rail models (the only ones still in production) have safety and DC manuals, and the P-345 (which is functionally signficantly different) has safety and decocker manuals. See http://ruger.com/Firearms/PS-InstructionManuals-PI.html for the list of manuals, including which lines are still in production and which aren't. scot 03:07, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I see where you're coming from, but for me it is just about readers finding their information; all sorts of different lumpings can be argued -- for my nickle the monster merged articles just aren't a fit. Doug 01:12, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

I think all the individual articles regarding the P-series ought to be merged because essentially they are just all variants of the original. Veritas Panther 08:01, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm not too familiar with the P-series but if they are in fact variants of the P85, then yes, they should all be merged here. Koalorka (talk) 21:54, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

This looks like old business. Yes, they are all product-improved P-85's. --Nukes4Tots (talk) 23:11, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Holy smokes, 2006! Koalorka (talk) 23:15, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

KP89X Variant?(edit)

There is/was a variant called the KP89X that was a convertible stainless steel model that was supplied with both 9x19mm and 7.65x21mm Parabellum (.30 Luger) barrels. Any thoughts of adding it to the table?--Surv1v4l1st(Talk|Contribs) 16:00, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

civilian defensive use(edit)

The lead paragraph of the article asserts that this weapon is 'designed for military, police, civilian self defense and recreational use'. More is needed here to explain how the manufacturer can design a gun that is serviceable for defensive use but somehow will reliably fail when used by civilians for other purposes. Alternatively, the word 'defensive', which certainly looks more like a subjective hope than a fact, should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter D'Eustachio (talk • contribs) 19:16, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Your first statement is correct. I don't understand what your second statement means..could you please elaborate? ⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 19:37, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Sure. The phrase means, in plain English, that the gun has somehow been engineered so that it works when used by a civilian only if the civilian is using it for self-defense. Somehow, the gun won't work if the civilian tries to use it for some other purpose. That may be the manufacturer's hope, but it is not a proper use specification, so the 'self defense' phrase should be (now, has been) deleted.Peter D'Eustachio (talk) 13:22, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

P93 manufacture dates(edit)

Under 'P93, P94 and P944' the article list the P93 production ending in '1994'. While this may be true, the Ruger web site shows shipments through 2004, of both the DC and DAO models. The serial # listings given on Rugers site tend to support the P93 being manufactured through 2004. The above info can be confirmed on the Ruger web site, customer service drop down, Instruction Manual and Product History selection. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:C5DE:5510:9D43:AD19:C61:9E52 (talk) 23:12, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

P345 Magazine Release(edit)

The P345 doesn't have a magazine release like the one described here. The P345's isn't ambidextrous and has to be operated from the left side of the weapon (push-in button like the M1911A1). Is that something that needs to be changed? Intothatdarkness 18:32, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Recent Edit(edit)

I recently added a Criminal use section which was quickly reverted with the explanation 'There has not been any conses on talk page for this content.' Please note that this has not been previously discussed on the Talk page and there is no requirement to seek consensus before adding content, however I will gladly discuss it here.

My opinion is that the use of a P89 in the Luby's shooting, which at the time was the deadliest mass shooting in US history, is significant and relevant part of the weapon's history. –dlthewave☎ 17:32, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

The content is cited and is relevant to the article. In addition, edit summaries such as 'The Editor seems to be on a mission...' are not appropriate.

I restored the content; please let me know if there are any concerns. --K.e.coffman (talk) 18:24, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

This is highly controversial content. These editor are highly aware that this is controversial so to include this without a conversation is inappropriate. -72bikers (talk) 18:33, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not censored; 'controversial' content is allowed as long as it's sourced to RS and meets WP:NPOV requirements, which was the case here. K.e.coffman (talk) 18:35, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

@72bikers: Please be mindful of edit warring / WP:3RR and consider self-reverting. K.e.coffman (talk) 18:41, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

I disagree with your assessment. You know all to well of the other talk page discussion on this controversial subject. I removed a heading that had only one short statement of a crime that happened almost 20 years ago. I fail to see how it brought any neutrality to the article. I do not see the importance of this edit other than the attempt to make criminal content inclusion on as many article as possible, and to make this the norm. The optics of this seem to be that one editor explained it should be excluded because this content is not on any other weapons article. I do not see how including every crime with a particular weapon has any merit of neutrality to that weapons article. There are article of this kind of content, so it is not like wiki is trying exclude this kind of content.

In the future please keep all conversation on the appropriate talk page. Also the optics of both of yours inclusions of my specific wording with grammatical errors seemed to be a attempt to belittle my.

Enjoy the rest of your holiday. Cheers-72bikers (talk) 19:44, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Criminal use(edit)

I fail to see how It brings any neutrality to the article and there by avoiding any consensus. There is no support that the crime committed 27 years ago using this particular weapon was any more deadly than any other simaler weapon.-72bikers (talk) 20:05, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, one person does not a consensus make. --K.e.coffman (talk) 20:39, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Before this information is added we should answer, is the gun noted for its use in this crime? That it was used in this crime doesn't mean we have sufficient weight for inclusion. This was the consensus at project firearms and one that helps keep articles about a specific gun from turning into articles about what every crime someone cares to mention. Since we are supposed to deliver weight from outside sorces, do we have sources about the gun that mention the crime? If not I would say we don't have sufficient weight. Springee (talk) 23:00, 1 April 2018 (UTC)The gun and its characteristics were certainly relevant to the crime in question. Here are some GBooks snippets:

'Without warning, the gunman pulled from his canvas bag a Ruger P89 9mm semiautomatic pistol, a lightweight handgun known for its high velocity and accuracy, and started filling the air with gunfire.'

'Police say Hennard also used a Ruger P89, expending six magazines that could have held as many as 96 rounds, before shooting himself in the head with his last bullet.'

--K.e.coffman (talk) 23:16, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

First, it would be helpful if you include links. Second, are those books about the gun or the crime? Consider if this wasn't a gun article would we mention the crime? Here is a long, well subscribed RfC that asked that question and the response was heavily against inclusion. ((1)). This isn't like the AR-15 topic where lots of sources are talking about the user of AR-15s in crimes and the media widely makes the connection. I'm guessing your links would be articles about the crime that just say what type of gun was used. Do we have an article about the gun that mentions its use in this crime? Springee (talk) 23:26, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure I'm following; firearms are not automobiles so I don't think that the RfC you are citing is applicable. Here's another snippet: Gun Culture or Gun Control?: Firearms and Violence: Safety and Society, by Peter Squires, discussing the characteristics of P89 that enabled the perpetrator to fire 30 rounds in two minutes. Not sure if this is about Luby's shooting or another crime (possibly another, the 1993 Long Island Rail Road shooting). K.e.coffman (talk) 00:02, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

I think the RfC is relevant. Yes, one is about cars the other is about guns. Let's abstract from that. In both cases we have a serious crime that was committed with a 'tool'. In one case, a Ford F-600 truck bomb, in the other a pistol. The RfC was clear the truck page need not mention the second most deadly domestic terrorist attack in US history (even eclipsing the Vegas mass shooting in loss of life). So why does something change when we change the tool? In both cases we have news articles that mention what type of truck/gun was used. In both cases there wasn't anything unique to the gun/truck that made it essential for the crime to succeed. Sure, you couldn't replace the medium duty truck with a Honda Civic nor could you replace the Ruger with a single shot bolt action .22. But you could replace either with a similar truck/gun and the crime would have been just the same. Your last link takes about the characteristics of the P89 that enabled 30 shots in 2 minutes. Are those characteristics in any way unique to that gun? Sounds like a standard 9mm pistol to me. In both automotive cases articles about the tool don't mention the crime. We say WP:WEIGHT is the core criteria for inclusion. Well weight said the F-600 sources don't talk about the crime thus we shouldn't either (same with the Chevy Caprice articles). Do we have Ruger P-series articles that talk about the crime? Not articles about crime or the crime, an article about the gun?

For a while I've been considering posting a question about, if you will, weight reciprocity. That is the if A is significant to B, is B significant to A? Suppose I meet the Pope and he inspires me to do significant things in my local community, things that make my name and actions WP:NOTE. Now I have an article about me :D Does that mean we should add my story to the Pope's page (JIC, disclaimer, I have no page and have never met the Pope)? If a serial killer is inspired by Manson do we add that killer's information to the Manson page? This is the idea I want to explore. I do think it applies to gun articles because we seem to have two schools of thought, one is if the crime is WP:NOTE then the gun's use should be mentioned in the gun article page. The other is mention if an association has been made, thus if RS about the gun mention the crime as part of the gun's history then include it. We see this with the AR-15 and Tommy gun. I don't see that here (it may be the case but the evidence hasn't been presented). Springee (talk) 00:32, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

I think that you may have it backwards. The article about the *Pope* (i.e. mass shooting) already mentions *me* (the firearm). It stands to reason that *my* article would mention the Pope and how it was that I was important enough to include in Pope's article. K.e.coffman (talk) 00:43, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

No, it's not backwards. Going back to the Oklahoma bombing article, it's clear that the Ford F-600 was a critical part of the bombing and is mentioned in the article about the bombing. However, it was agreed by overwhelming consensus that the bombing wasn't significant to the truck. Any suitable truck could have been substituted. Consensus said it didn't stand to reason that the less significant article, the F-600, would mention the bombing. This is actually a concept that I think could make for a good essay since I'm sure this sort of back and forth happens in areas other than just guns. Springee (talk) 01:21, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

BTW, the discussion we are having is exactly why the project firearms wrote the guideline about when crimes should or shouldn't be added to a gun article. You and I are both making reasoned arguments and given the large number of basically identical cases of crimes added to a gun article this sort of discussion would be repeated extensively. This is why people were right to create the guideline and why we should be addressing it vs having debates on each article page. Springee (talk) 01:30, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Springee I think you went far more deeply than needed. Editor K.e.coffman's argument has only been that this weapon was far more deadly than any other simaler gun. This is absurd to anyone that knows anything about guns. This gun is not even a custom gun, it is just a middle of the road average gun. There is nothing in the guns article that would lead the reader to believe that this weapon is notable for some extreme accuracy or that it has some extreme bullet capacity.

His argument so far is just based soley on 3 points that hold no weight 'a lightweight handgun known for its high velocity and accuracy', 'expending six magazines', 'P89 that enabled the perpetrator to fire 30 rounds in two minutes'. The weight of the gun is just average to other similar guns at 32 oz. Also this would contradict itself by saying 'lightweight and more accuracy' in that lightness would only create more muzzle rise and therefore would be less accurate, especially in rapid fire. Velocity is determined by the ammo not the gun. The gun would have only limited impacted with some extreme length or shortness of barrel. This gun has a very average barrel size. There is nothing in this article that would lead the reader to believe this weapon is by far any more accurate than any other similar gun. And I am sure I could dig up some review by Guns & Ammo to confirm this. The point that he made that the police sated he (mentally insane psycho) expended six magazines has no bearing in notability that this is any standout defining uniqueness. In fact this would only strengthen the argument that the AR15 is any more deadly than a average handgun. His point of argument of '30 rounds in two minutes' is also no standout as this is a extremely long time to expend 30 rounds as by comparison I am sure a competitive shooter could have fired all of 90 rounds used in that time.

Most of what he has cited is just some writers peacockery of trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. I believe as most other with any common sense that what truly should be addressed is the mental heath and not wasting efforts to condemn some tool. Next they will be saying because some psycho wore some model of nike's at the time, he was any more agily or any more quick of step. Were does it end? 72bikers (talk) 16:05, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

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No reply to the issues I have brought up?-72bikers (talk) 00:45, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

You Have not shown that the reason for your content inclusion to be valid. You also have not won consensus by not compromising in any way. Are your opinions more important than facts? You have also started other headings in what would appear a effort to avoid this conversation. 72bikers (talk) 14:40, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

@72bikers: You have not shown a valid reason for the removal. Repeatedly making the same point is not going to help achieve consensus. I already linked to WP:NPOVN to bring this issue to the wider audience. --K.e.coffman (talk) 15:42, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

You have still failed to address any of the point I have made about your reasons for inclusion are not valid. You also have failed to comprise in any way, this would be a failure of any consensus as well. -72bikers (talk) 17:43, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Truck bomb vs firearm(edit)

The difference between the Oklahoma city bombing situation and a mass shooting is that a weapon (bomb) was placed inside a truck, to weaponise it, creating a 'truck bomb', also known as a vehicle-borne improvised explosive device (VBIED). P89 did not need to be weaponised to carry out a crime; it's already a firearm / weapon. That's why I don't believe that the RfC you are citing applies. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:35, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

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Well I would say it doesn't apply since WP:OSE but I don't think your logic holds. Consider the Chevy Caprice that was used in the DC area sniper attacks. That was the other part of the RfC in question. Again a strong consensus against inclusion. What you are trying to do is argue that despite that in both the truck and the P-series article we don't have RS's about the article subject making the connection we should make it in the gun case but not in the other case because, well one is a gun and the other isn't. That means we are applying a level of subjectivity here. Perhaps that's the right thing to do but call it a subjective call. Springee (talk) 02:43, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Consensus(edit)

Re: 'No reply to the issues I have brought up?-72bikers (talk) 00:45, 7 April 2018 (UTC)' -- there does not appear to be a consensus that the material should be excluded. To bring the matter to the wider audience, I would suggest posting to WP:NPOVN (Neutral Point of View Noticeboard). --K.e.coffman (talk) 17:59, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

@72bikers: adding ping. --K.e.coffman (talk) 18:55, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

There is no consensus to include it, and more of one to not include it. Yoo have not shown or disproved any of the rebuttals to your points. Ass the controversial content is recently added would it not be appropriate to first come to some neutral middle ground first. -72bikers (talk) 19:09, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia is WP:NOTCENSORED and 'controversial material' can be included if reliably sourced. I also fail to see how one section would create an NPOV / balance problem. I've already suggested WP:NPOVN; this would be an appropriate venue to seek more input on the matter. --K.e.coffman (talk) 19:14, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

@72bikers:There is no consensus to include it, and more of one to not include it. Where might we find the consensus you referred to? –dlthewave☎ 19:17, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Recent edit(edit)

Preserving here by providing this link. My rationale was: 'WP:CATALOG: excessive and promotional detail - uncited or self-cited; unneeded self-citations'. Please let me know if there are any concerns. --K.e.coffman (talk) 17:10, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Will you not address the content under the discussion of criminal use. You have no consensus to include the content, but fail to remove it. Can you show were you think the consensus is? You have not shown or disproved any of the rebuttals to your points. You have now induced a error in citation and removed sourced content with your knee-jerk action.-72bikers (talk) 17:50, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

I've fixed the broken reference. K.e.coffman's removal of overly-detailed material was appropriate, and editors do not need to seek consensus before boldly adding or removing. Do you have any concerns with the content? –dlthewave☎ 18:46, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

I was clearly stating the criminal content that has not been addressed above. -72bikers (talk) 19:51, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

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For RENE Subscription information: http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=30544 From the Ruger web site: https://ruger.com/service/productHistory.html. Edit 5/4/19 . . . for the latest see here . . . viewtopic.php?f=1&t=278554

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It is pretty well-known that the Ruger site references have a few 'discrepancies'. Best to double-check against Dougan's book and the RENE Reference.

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These are not online references. John Dougan’s book RUGER PISTOLS & REVOLVERS, THE VINTAGE YEARS 1949-1973 is a great reference work, published in 2008. Inside the front cover is a number to call to order copies 1-800-999-4697. Mentioned above viewtopic.php?t=30544 The Red Eagle News Exchange is published several times a year. Also available is a two-volume Reference of Ruger Firearms giving extensive production numbers and serial number information . . . available via Chad Hiddleson, 1945 Clover Ave., Perry, Iowa, 50220. He posts here as chet15.

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