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scatterbrainedbot · 6 months
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Rat Sons AU: Character Introductions
Hamato Sho aka The Ancient One
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more rambling & sketches:
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(Had a bit of fun merging 03's Ancient One with bits of Rise's Splinter and Grandpa Sho, then started working on his origin story and was like fuck it! Guardians from 03! But for the Council of Heads from rise! but who are actually kinda more like the Ninja Tribunal from 03!! if they oversaw the world like the Guardians/Utroms! but were also kinda corrupt and uncaring of the lives of mortals and
the good news is now theres world building lore happening i guess, not just character lore??? is that good news??)
anywho, this is Grandpappy Sho!!
He's a little bit of a gremlin. Kinda rude, kinda sarcastic, kinda feral, and kinda very much had it with catering to the rules of 'polite society.' Basically, dudes survived some shit and has now decided that he will make that everyone elses problem too (/affectionate)
He lowkey resents his lineage and how he was raised, in the sense that he often wonders what life he could have lived if his youth was not fully devoted to "becoming someone worthy of the Hamato name." But he's actively trying to let go of all that and focus on being whoever he wishes in the present. Hence, gremlin.
A gremlin that is also, however, a freakin fantastic father figure (he swore to himself that his girl will literally never have to think about 'earning' any name, Hamato or otherwise; if she wants it, it is already hers, and wether she choses to keep it is entirely her own choice)
lol a lot of that was in present tense wasnt it? but yall know that aint quite true.....
tho, it might not quite be wrong exactly either...
[rat sons au masterpost]
(easier to read/separated contents below the cut! (super long))
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HAMATO SHO aka THE ANCIENT ONE
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Pronouns: He/Him
Age:???
Color Motif: ~desaturated sea foam green~
Last heir of the Hamato Clan lineage (by blood, at least)
As a young man, he spent decades training tirelessly to become a master of ninjutsu, molding himself into a perfect soldier, fully dedicated to maintaining his family's status as one of the most powerful names in Japan
Was selected to become a Guardian — an elite warrior chosen by the immortal Council of Heads to serve as an agent of their will. He served them for several years, increasingly resentful of their corruption and disregard for mortal lives
Abandoned his post after the death of a fellow Guardian (Tang Shen's biological father)
Disillusioned with both the Council of Heads and the world at large, Sho shifted his priorities from serving a 'Greater Good,' to serving his own needs and desires (and those of the people he cares about). He became very openly sarcastic, cynical and crass (he also found the way this horrified the neighbors to be freaking hilarious)
Did not think he would be well suited for caring for a child and really only expected to serve as a temporary shelter for Tang Shen until a proper family could be found for her, like maybe a few months or so at most?
Jokes on u, old man. Guiding a young Tang Shen through the routines of their daily life, watching her interact with the animals of the farm, teaching her how to do tasks so mundane he'd long since stopped thinking about them, Sho found he enjoyed the role of a parent more than anything else he'd ever done
Given his own experiences with abusive powers, Sho raised Tang Shen to be a very independent thinker, encouraging her to pursue her own sense of right and wrong, and to always be wary of those in power.
Though he trained her in both ninjutsu and the mystic arts (the good kind), Sho's greatest hope was to raise Tang Shen to make her own choices, and enjoy a life free of ancestral burdens or any ghosts from his past
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As a Guardian, Sho underwent what he would later call an 'involuntary spiritual awakening.'
This granted Sho use of the Council’s powerful mystic techniques through the manipulation of his own spirit and will. These teachings were a highly coveted secret, granted only to those in the final stage of becoming a Guardian, and they were often deadly to learn
The Council taught that a human could only access the mystic arts if granted the ability through Their own will, that the technique was one of faith, a sort of forfeiting one's own spirit in exchange for power
Sho, along with Tang Shen's bio dad (oomph he needs a name), discovered a way to refine the techniques of the Council, to create their own source of mystic power without the Council’s influence, pulling from their own faith, emotions, and spiritual connections
Naively, the two told the Council of their findings. They believed that this new method of accessing the mystic arts would be a great benefit to both current and future Guardians, as it was far less damaging to the human body and mind
The Council disagreed.
Weapons that do not depend on you for ammunition are weapons that can turn against you, after all.
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loisiru · 11 months
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Spent the past few days watching Layers of Fear (2023) walkthroughs
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#and each and every endings#notes and whispers#also collectibles#PHEWH that was a lot to take in#nobody told me to prepare myself for the heartbreak that was the family ending 😭🤜💥#loving the rat queen’s voice tho#ghost wife’s new design reminds me of all the dried up paint textures on my palette#like i haven’t washed it for about 3-4 months now ew#cackled at the fact that rat queen called the daughter a rat for no reason in inheritance#lmao what is your beef with her#game also revealed the wife can play the flute woah#and her favorite color is green :D so real of her#i guess they didn’t really change much of the story in inheritance and lof 2#fancy glove for the actor now#also i need to draw the writer tho i like her fr#devs pls give concept art of the character if yall have any#the writer making au endings where the painter and wife just leaves the house lol#mr. scooter has two designs now????#akh :’’ but i really hoped the game delved in deeper about the writter and her son#the director and the rat queen’s lore gimme some of that lovecraftian shit#((i loved him most when he lost himself)) rat queen so insane for saying this#also wtf the game suddenly talking about the wife having green eyes in my head she will always have dark brown eyes 😭😭😭#how did the painter and wife get involved with the rat queen tho#thomas caldwell looking kinda sus hmmm#given the fact that the writer was recruited by some sort of agency/management but that’s just my speculation#okay i need to stfu tags r getting outta hand#should i tag this as layers of fear? idk#lof spoilers#bacotan loisiru
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mothcula · 11 months
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UH OH SISTERS !!!!! [CONTAINMENT BREACH ALARM]
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tommy-thomas · 1 year
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I miss captain 😭
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ask-jeweliverse · 9 months
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What did Darling do to become so disliked?
She killed her husband who was really liked in the community and then tried to locked her son (Rat-son Gabriel) away from everyone for months when they tried to help him get away from her.
Now they just check on Rat-son whenever they get the chance to, but it's hard to ignore Darling since she wants to get involved with the worlds politics.
And at the moment she doesn't have a competition, so everyone just dislikes her for that reason as well.
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chocodile · 7 months
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Apologies if you've answered this somewhere: for your Amaranthine 'verse, are there any "hybrid" animal folk? On one hand, kwillow's Theo has a rat and a stoat as parents, but Theo himself is a rat (with his mother's coloring, but still a rat). On the other, Ambroys very clearly looks like a cross between a horse (father) and Something Else (Celestial mother). In the middle is Hayden's one night stand with the cat barmaid, which resulted in a child with a bunny's snout/tail, a flatter catlike face, and bunny ears a biiiit too wide and pointed to be 100% "bunny."
I'm super curious about the genetics of it as well as the social aspect (i.e. is son considered a bunny/cat/both by his peers?). It's one of my favorite bits about anthro worldbuilding!
Hybrids exist, but are pretty rare!
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Typically, children will just inherit their species from one parent or the other. Hybridization is very unusual and typically is limited to one or two very minor traits--like the child of a rabbit having slightly longer ears, the child of a weasel having a noodlier build, the child of a carnivore having fangs, etc. In almost all cases, the dominant species of the child is very clear, and the hybrid traits tend to be very recessive--rarely preserved beyond one generation.
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Particularly in the Western Kingdom, though, hybrid children do have a reputation for being unlucky, an ill omen, or even outright cursed (depending how superstitious the person you're asking is). There are a few reasons for this… the simplest is that hybrid traits are sort of a "birth defect" that can sometimes present along with other health issues. Though not all hybrids are frail and sickly, any concern about a child's susceptibility to illness was a huge deal in rural peasant villages that already tended to have high childhood mortality rates.
Over time, the perception of hybrid children = ill omen became warped and exaggerated. Western Kingdom folktales sometimes cast hybrids as vaguely supernatural trickster characters, such as tales of mysterious changeling babies whose hybrid traits eventually revealed them to be half Infernal.
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For this reason, the actual frequency of hybrid traits is probably greatly under reported… anyone who can hide or ignore or lie about their hybrid traits probably will. Though most Western Kingdom superstitions fell away after the collapse of the old kingdoms, some degree of stigma in Post-Fall society remains. No one seriously thinks a sheep with fangs is half Infernal anymore (most don't believe that Infernals and Celestials even exist), but it will still probably be passively assumed that a hybrid is less fit for difficult labor, among other things.
Half Celestial and Half Infernal offspring work a bit different… they're always technically "hybrids", but specifically hybridize in such a way that they take the form of mythological creatures (unicorn, dragon, cockatrice, etc). I'll let Kwillow talk more about this when she discusses Ambroys' mother since she's been the one working on this section of the lore, but Half Celestials are most certainly seen as a blessing. Half Infernals… well, fear of them is part of the reason hybrids are stigmatized in the first place, so suffice to say they have it rather rough. How severe the stigma is varies across cultures and tends to be worse in the rural West, better in cities, and pretty much completely absent in much of the Eastern Kingdom.
In the Post-Fall present day, nobody believes Celestials, Infernals, or their offspring exist anymore... aside from those who know about The Kingdom of the Sun.
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Also, once in a while, a hybrid is born whose traits are so blended that their parent species are difficult to determine. These very unlucky individuals are referred to as "chimeras" and tend to have shorter life expectancies, among other things. We may be seeing a character who fits this description eventually. :P
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starsandhughes · 8 months
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Penalty Box Series— Universal With The Panthers
23-24 Masterlist
ik so many of y’all don’t particularly care for the panthers, but it’s got mackie and an adoption!!
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yourusername when my rat (aka ratty matty) told me that the panthers were taking on universal studios during our weekly facetime, you KNOW i had to hop on a plane! here’s the highlights!
1. spency and i spent way too much money on souvenirs (and by and i i mean him and matty spoiled me despite me being against it)
2. matty would not pretend to die when i shouted avada kedavra at him no matter how many times i did it out of spite (which was RUDE)
3. father monty did die for me when i shouted it at him! (brandon montour, if you’re lame and don’t watch the panthers) he’s my new favorite— sorry about everyone else’s life.
4. i only got lost ONE time (translation: i ran away one time and then had to hold matty or spency’s hand the rest of the day)
5. matty and i have officially adopted mackie as our child!! mackie was fatherless before, so he’s very happy to have a dad!
thanks, boys, for letting me tag along! i love each and every one of you soooo much! i’ve missed spencer and matty more than words, and spending the day with them meant so much to me❤️
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matthew_tkachuk i wish knighty gave me a warning about your tendency to walk off, but i loved seeing you, little mouse! i love you lots!
yourusername i love you, too, my rat! mwah!
slknight35 @/matthew_tkachuk i wrongfully assumed she stopped that after senior year
_quinnhughes @/slknight35 she’s gotten worse
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trevorzegras @/matthew_tkachuk WE DIDN’T KNOW SHE LEFT
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matthew_tkachuk @/trevorzegras i would’ve told you if i knew she didn’t tell you, i swear
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yourusername @/trevorzegras @_quinnhughes @.slknight35 @/matthew_tkachuk snoop dogg said to live young, wild, and free and i took that to heart. sue me.
user17 AW MACKIE HAS A DAD!!
user24 there is… so much lore in the comments omfg
mackie.samo you didn’t miss me?!?!
yourusername i did! i missed you so much i gave you a father!
mackie.samo you didn’t say it in your caption!
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user4 SISSY IS A SLYTHERIN: CONFIRMED
slknight35 us having matching draco wands was essential! i had no choice but to spoil you, sissy
yourusername idc for your logic, i own money!!
slknight35 love you!
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trevorzegras i’d like to announce that my fiancée left me worried sick and did NOT bring me a present to compensate!
yourusername @/trevorzegras matty ratty took my credit card idk what to tell you. i love you, always, though!
trevorzegras @/yourusername somehow, i still love you, forever
flapanthers we’re always happy to have you!
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user6 the fact that you still posted embarrassing pictures is my favorite thing
montour i’ll always die for you
yourusername you’re such a real one for that! mwah!
matthew_tkachuk you’re already injured, please don’t die
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matthew_tkachuk @/yourusername we both know that’s not true, little mouse
montour @/matthew_tkachuk you didn’t die for her entertainment
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yourusername @/matthew_tkachuk mmf
user76 okayyy but you look so cute in the first pic!!
jamie.drysdale you randomly left and chose universal over me???
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jamie.drysdale i wasn’t signed yet!
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streaminn · 1 year
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Crack wenclair au where Enid fucking dies and wakes up as a street rat in some random alley as a background extra in those cliche royal manwhas
Idk the lore, I just liked the image of Enid meeting Wednesday Addams on the street and just accidentally bumps into her bc she was running from cops, aladdin style.
It's a lil weird to be in a place this backwards but hey, as someone who turned homeless by age sixteen smth, going through that at age twelve isn't that bad.
Does she know of the manwha she literally got transported into? A Lil bit. Smth abt uprising, edgy princes and an even edgier morbid Mc.
(there's like a whole social class thing going on bc the og plot was how it was Tyler who got close to wednesday instead of Enid. Xavier, who's like the son of an advisor and thus has contact with Wednesday doesn't like this and so they have this whole love triangle thing blah blah blah
Tyler is also the one leading rebellion when he's older but I'll expand on it more if people ask abt the au)
Romance is kinda eh considering that I'm planning to have it start when they're like fifteen and Enid is lowkey an adult mentally. So let's keep it to Enid noting that huh, Wednesday is pretty until we hit the main storyline where Wednesday is eighteen. So like slow burn to hell and back
Wednesday meanwhile, is very enamored by the scruffy street urchin she stole from the street. She's used to being stared at with fear so to see someone's eyes glow
Well, it's not her fault she was a Lil interested.
(also bc Enid just.. Eats stuff off the ground?? And just drinks off streams??? Wtf is up with the people nowadays)
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fagtainsparklez · 1 year
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not 2 b mean but i don’t think some of you know what lore means….. i’ve seen multiple people be like “i hope origins doesn’t do lore/use the lore channel it’s gonna ruin the server” like babes….. origins has always had lore. wilbur is phil’s dead son that came back as a phantom. scott was floating in space alone before crashing down to earth. shubble manifested as a phantom because her grave was disturbed by tubbo digging up a mountain. captainsparklez is a prince of another planet that’s crash-landed on a mission gone wrong. even lately we’ve gotten lore with phil speaking of being an orphan while he was on rats. just because they’re not hosting server-wide events doesn’t mean they don’t have lore
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escapedaudios · 5 months
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Random little New Jersey Rats behind the scenes information and lore!
- The Ricchezza Sporca (Tricky Ricky's boat) means "Dirty Wealth" in Italian, partly a reference to Ricky's being filthy rich, but also a reference to his ditry money. Jean's (stolen) boat, the Sogno D'Oro means "golden dream" in Italian.
- Guy is named Guy for a few reasons. Besides the humor of the mafia's designated "Guy Who Knows a Guy" being literally named Guy, and the goofs about him being the only other member of the Mafia with a French name, it's a cheeky little New Jersey joke. "Guy" is the French version of the Italian name "Guido", a slang term for New Jersey Italians.
- Badabing and Badaboom's argument over the definition of "Neopolitan" was lifted almost word for word from a conversation I had with a friend the week before writing it.
- Arrigo is a parody of wealthy mafia heir playboys, a character trope that I broadly disrespect.
Secret Lore:
- Arrigo is the youngest of his siblings, with three older sisters. His mother dotes on him and let's him get away with everything as a replacement for the affection she doesn't get from Tricky Ricky, who is emotionally closer to Giovanni than to her.
- Tricky Ricky hates his useless son Arrigo, and desperately wanted Jean to rise up the ranks and surpass him before he died, hence his willingness to go against taboo and have Jean made.
- Juilia Lombardi (the head chef at the Neopolitan) is one of Guy's guys. She can make a body disappear.
- Guy was made by a crime family that has since gone defunct after the boss and most of their capos were either arrested or turned informants, hence his close association with the Belardi Crime Family despite not being fully inducted with them.
- Tricky Ricky has a rare neurodegenerative disease in his peripheral nervous system that, over time, took his ability to walk on his own. In his youth he was known as "Quick Ricky", before he lost the ability to run and eventually walk. Giovanni will punish anyone who brings up Ricky's mobility in a negative light by ruthlessly beating and even mutilating them. Arrigo has received such a beating.
- Guy is the only person who knows the Rats survived the sinking of the Sogno D'Oro. He still keeps in touch with Badaboom through letters, and makes occasional visits to Havana to visit the Rats.
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scatterbrainedbot · 6 months
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RAT SONS LORE DUMP #1
THE HAMATO FAMILY
okay so im looking at my first few character sheets and theres a little bit of lore/context i want to give just to clarify, specifically about the last generation (of humans) in the Hamato lineage
(long text heavy post ahead!)
so background:
in the 03 version of tmnt The Ancient One (who is not a Hamato) essentially adopts three children: Hamato Yoshi, Yukio Mashimi, Tang Shen (girls dont get surnames i guess??) They seemed to have been explicitly raised as siblings. Still, love triangle trope was hungry ig. Both boys fell in love w Tang Shen and she fell for Yoshi. to which Mashimi said ‘alright bet’ and killed her. i cant even laugh at him for his pathetic Nice Guy “i was nice to you for years and u wont have sex with me???” tantrum cos like. sir, that is ur sister. boy howdy. all of yall need to go meet some other people.
mostly i chalk that whole mess up to the fact that the writing of women in most media in the early 2000s lacking like idk?? any actual characterization?? an ounce of consideration??? not a single braincell?? they were mostly just there to be a means to some plot trope, rather than an actual character in and of themselves — like im amazed april came out as lovely as she did, with her own like life and skills and autonomy (her big sis vibes in 03 are so so nice, and tbh i love her whole character a lot — still lots of misogyny moments in her writing too but im not trying to do an analysis into that rn)
so anywho!!
for the rat sons au, i decided to go ahead and scrap all the incesty undertones (idk, are those undertones? seems p straight up to me?) and completely revamp the origins of The Ancient One, Tang Shen and Yoshi <3 (and Mashimi too ig, but he essentially got cut out entirely. sucks to suck ya entitled lil douche)
Here's the general lowdown
So, the Hamato clan is one of the oldest and well established in all of Japan. The family rose to prominence in the feudal period of Japan’s history, due to their collective skill in the art of ninjutsu, their dedication, stealth, and discretion. Like most ninja, they were assassins available to hire, either for killing or simple sabotage, for politics or personal matters – though no matter the task, a Hamato’s loyalty was always to the head of the Family over their client.
Beyond their reputation as a ninja clan though, the Hamatos also had a reputation for being extremely generous to their community and highly protective of the less fortunate. (think kinda Al Capone vibes, like oh these bitches hella dangerous. but also. will def tip over $100 soooo…) This did lead to occasional conflict of interests during assignments/contracts. Most Hamatos would then seek the advice of the head of the family, and follow their lead, be it to the benefit of their client, or not.
(This also led to several members either abandoning the clan, or being killed by their clients for failed action etc etc)
As time passes and we reach the mid twentieth century or so, there is only one final heir to the Hamato lineage. A young man, named Hamato Sho. Sho spent his youth trying to serve his family and honor their name etc etc etc. But ultimately, this got him caught up in a lot of corrupt powerful nonsense that he eventually walked away from after the death of his friend.
This friend had left behind a young daughter, Tang Shen. Since he knew she had no other family to claim her, Sho took her in, expecting to only be a temporary foster at most. Surprise! this quiet five year old kiddo melted old mans cynical heart to absolute mush. his daughter now bitch.
He only ever adopted the one child, and he adored her sm. and he tried his best to be a good papa. he nurtured her curiosity and engaged in her interests and taught her everything he knew, without ultimatums or concerns about family names. at times he could have probably been considered very lax in his parenting, or far too lenient or undisciplined, but as a kid that grew up suffocated by watching eyes and guiding hands and Destiny capital D, i think that by giving his child room to be her own person and do her own shit (especially in her teenage years) he was in fact showing her a level trust and pride than he never had been given himself. basically he did everything he could to give her the exact opposite childhood he himself had (like rise splints <3)
Because of Sho’s encouragement, Tang Shen grows up to be a very independent soul, whos never met a problem she can jerry-rig, bodily move, or roundhouse kick into being fixed. She also becomes a fucking badass ninja master (and mystic warrior, lol) though mostly all she wants in life is the maintain the quiet little farm her father has started. maybe kiss the cute boy from town who walks her home sometimes (even though he lives the other direction.)
Meanwhile, Yoshi (surname pending) is in fact not a Hamato. Yet, at least. he, however, is that cute boy from town who walks home with Tang Shen most days and has been absolutely smitten with her since like fourth grade lol
(theyre besties for like a decade before they officially start to date. They get together finally after Tang Shens been trying to figure out a good date idea (one that isnt just something they already do) to ask him on for like a month, and Yoshi just leans over and kisses her goodbye super casual one day cos he thought they already had been dating for like. six months. cue her delight and his abject horror (he never wouldve kissed her if he didnt think that was already established as okay. p sure he even like asked her before randomly like, hey is it alright if i kiss u goodbye? and she was like ????? ok??? is this cos of ur european studies class. theyre both very silly) shes gonna tease him so bad about all of this. and tell Sho. Yoshi will never know peace again /affectionate)
Mashimi doesnt make any real appearance in their story i dont think. Like he might be a friend of Yoshi’s in elementary school. probably had a tiny start of a crush on Tang Shen when they were small and tried to take the ‘pull pigtails on the playground’ route of getting her attention. what he got was a kick to the chest and a broken nose. never came near her again after that. (eventually started avoiding Yoshi too since he was with Tang Shen all the time)
All that being said though, im afraid Tang Shen is not fully free of curse of the unwanted suitor. The Hamato name still carries a fair amount of pull, after all, and there are some very dangerous people looking to make some claim to its influence.....
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sellensand · 1 year
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The truth about the Golden Lineage
Ok sooo I've just had a MASSIVE realization about Godfrey's children with Marika and I need to share it with the Elden Ring lore community. I have no idea if anyone has already put this theory forward, but as soon as it crossed my mind I knew I had to write it down before I forgot about it.
ELDEN RING SPOILERS BELOW.
I had always kind of assumed that Godwyn the Golden was Godfrey and Marika's firstborn child. This is not stated anywhere though, it was no more than an assumption on my behalf. So I began to wonder... what if the omen twins were actually older than Godwyn? What if they were Marika's first children with Godfrey? The Crucible predates the Golden Age of the Erdtree after all...
Once again, I had always assumed that Morgott and Mohg were thrown into the sewers of Leyndell as soon as they were born, which doesn't really make any sense considering:
- They are both quite well-spoken. They don't act like they were brought up by giant slugs and rats with no contact with the outside world. They are not like the feral omens we fight in the sewers.
- They had to use special shackles in order to keep them down there. As if... they would try to escape. To go back home. Someone had to make sure they never got out.
- They brought at least one doll with them. Newborn babies don't play with dolls, children do.
- Godfrey's words towards Morgott ("It's been a long while...") and the way he holds his son's dead body imply they once knew each other. They once had some kind of relationship. And I'm inclined to believe that Morgott remembers and loves his father too: as SmoughTown points out in his latest video, the magic seal from which Godfrey's golden ghost appears is the exact same Crucible seal that Morgott uses when he "teleports". Morgott created a spectral protector of the Erdtree in the image of his father (I'm about to cry).
So, if Mo & Mo once lived in the surface, why were they shunned? Well, here comes the crazy part. Once upon a time, in the Age of the Crucible, horns, scales, wings and other beastly parts were considered sacred, divine. They were the manifestation of the power of the Tree, from which all life begins, where all life is blended together. With Godfrey being a man from the Age of the Crucible (his knights are the Crucible Knights), it is possible that his first children with Marika, Mo & Mo, were actually revered when they were born.
However, at some point, something motivated Marika to change the dogma. The conquest of the Mountaintops of the Giants gave way to the Golden Age of the Erdtree. All things Crucible were suddenly frown upon. Lord Godfrey and his warriors were exiled from the Lands Between. And the omen twins had to be forsaken.
LUCKILY the royal couple had produced another child, one more in line with the religious ideals of the new age: Godwyn, a perfectly built golden boy, without any Crucible in him. A strikingly handsome prince, with a gorgeous set of long, androginous, golden hair, who we've only seen wearing a beautifully embroidered skirt. His looks and his fashion sense always reminded me of a certain red-headed champion of the Golden Age of the Erdtree...
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Has anyone else noticed that the items related to the Prince of Death require both Faith and Intelligence? I'm talking about the Prince of Death's Staff (allegedly made out of a fragment of Godwyn's corpse) and all of the Death sorceries (which said staff boosts). You know which other items also require both of those stats, right? Well, as far as I know, only Rykard's Magma sorceries and the Golden Order incantations need both Fai and Int to be used. And the Sword of Night and Flame, yes, a Carian heirloom hidden in their Manor.
HUH. I wonder what the Carian royal family and Golden Order Fundamentalism have in common... OH, I KNOW. They are both connected to Radagon, the champion who aspired to be complete by dominating both sorceries and incantations.
My point is... What if Godwyn is not Godfrey's? What if he's Radagon's? What if he was Marika's first attempt at having descendants by herself? She was devastated by Godwyn's death because he was her favorite, her perfect golden boy, a personification of the Golden Order and a living proof that she was the One True God.
Now let's have some fun with this theory. We all know about Miquella's obsession with Godwyn ("O brother, lord brother..."). Some have speculated that the statue of the older figure embracing young Miquella and Malenia in Loretta's arena in the Haligtree might be Godwyn, because it doesn't sport Marika/Radagon's signature braid and the asset is apparently flat-chested (according to Vaati's Miquella Lore video).
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Did either Miquella or Godwyn know the truth? Was Godwyn particularly protective of the Empyrean twins because they were more than just his half-siblings? I honestly don't know, buy it's not hard to imagine what they felt after their older brother's murder...
I obviously don't have all the answers, but if all of the above was true, it would mean that the whole Golden Lineage is built on a lie, because the firstborn male heir of Godfrey was not only not the firstborn at all, but he was also not Godfrey's! This would be so GRRM it's insane! Even Godrick's pride and his fondness of Lion iconography becomes all the more ridiculous!
Am I going too far with this? Please let me know if I'm losing my mind over this game.
(Oh and link me to any similar theories if you know of any, because I can't be the only one crazy enough to have thought about this).
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Miles Quaritch: fear of betrayal, and a lethal act of love (Stephen Lang Omaticon interview thoughts)
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So! The annual Omaticon has commenced! And we got some interesting lore details from one of the guests, the legend and the moment Stephen Lang, who plays Quaritch.🫶
At one point, he talks about Quaritch’s fear of betrayal, and hearing it has definitely added even more weight to his actions, as well as actions of Spider, than ever before. Even more so than the deleted scenes.
As he says in the clip I linked, Quaritch is so desperately afraid of getting hurt, of having his trust crushed, that he refuses to get close to others and create meaningful relationships. Quaritch is afraid to love. He expects betrayal and disloyalty at every corner, and no doubt builds up walls to protect himself from potential heartbreak.
It gives us further motivation as to why Quaritch has reacted so violently to Jake refusing to take part in colonisation of Pandora. It wasn’t just pettiness. It was Miles trusting someone and getting burned, likely not for the first time, and lashing out, bringing forth whatever hurt and pain he stored for years. It’s tragic that so many innocent Na’vi and even humans got hurt as result of his emotional reaction, and 15 years later, Quartich’s clone is back at it.
Recom Q is in possession of everything that makes Quaritch — Quaritch, so he follows down the same path of vengeance, obsessively looking for Jake.
However, he unexpectedly encounters a human boy on his mission. A human boy painted in blue, who carries a bow. A boy whom Quaritch shares blood.
A boy who’s loyalty knows no bounds.
Considering the baggage that Miles apparently has when it comes to trust and loyalty, the act of Spider choosing death over ratting out his own has been no doubt extremely impressive to the man. A breath of fresh air perhaps, to see someone love so passionately they’re ready to die for the cause.
I can sit here and speculate forever on how Quaritch’s relationship with Spider developed, now that we are aware of his crippling fear of betrayal. Perhaps Miles felt an odd sense of comfort in being around Spider, as he was openly hostile and there were no hidden intentions. Socorro’s hate laid bare, so Miles had nothing to be afraid of. There was no loyalty to speak of.
But then the bond grew, and Miles must have noticed it too late. How much he came to care for a kid he met only months ago.
Or, perhaps, Miles let Spider into his heart because of the interrogation scene. He witnessed show pure the boy is, how determined, and it felt different, safe to approach him. Perhaps Miles felt like they could bond over their dedication.
Either way, the colonel has done something he was afraid of for a likely very long time. He trusted. He let someone in. Deeper into his soul than anyone has even been before.
And then, when he was faced with the ultimatum of losing that someone, he sacrificed all he believed in for him, expecting nothing in return. He held Spider’s sister at knifepoint, it was only fair the boy would celebrate his death…
And then he was alive. And Spider was there with him.
I cannot even begin to imagine the sheer shock, confusion, and love Miles feels when he looks at Socorro on that rock. After getting burned too many times, he was finally proven wrong. Someone showed him loyalty, for no reason other than love.
The new lore also provides further reasoning as to why Quaritch asked Spider to come with him. How could he possibly not? How could he not repay him ten-fold? I believe in that moment in time, Miles fully claimed Spider as his son, and genuinely wanted the kid to follow him back to Bridgehead just so they could stay together.
Spider chose to leave. He’d be crazy not to, after all the horrors he witnessed done against his beloved home, and against people he believed to be part of.
But I keep wondering, how tightly will Quaritch cling on this broken family they now have? How iron of a grip will he have on Spider? After being betrayed, being afraid of love, it’s hard to imagine a different outcome. He’s been expecting a back-stab on every corner and then got rescued by someone who had nothing to gain from it. I’m sure it’ll mess with his head to have that one person "taken away" from him (by the Sullies).
If this is the lore we’re working with, I can see why Miles will remain a villain. Still unhinged, still obsessive, but the focus of that obsession might switch from a revenge fantasy to a family delusion. Who knows really 🤷
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Sean drops reform school lore when he’s drunk but Kieran shares O’Driscoll lore and the gang are genuinely shocked he took so long to break because he will not shut up.
"Arthur you just might be my best friend and it bothers me how casually some people in the gang tell you that you're dumb 'cause you ain't but... Christ you are thick sometimes. I took you to an O'Driscoll hideout NEAR Valentine. I made a point of saying it was just passed Valentine, and told you I saw O'Driscolls riding around NEAR Valentine how could I have made it more clear they owned the town."
"Gotta say one thing Dutch did right was shooting Colm's brother. That feller may have been the most heinous, vile son of a bitch I have ever had the displease of meeting. His 'funeral' is still the best damned party I've ever been to." "... That was in 1886 how long were you with the O'Driscolls?" "I mean I wasn't riding with them at the time just y'know how it is gangs running into each other my previous outfit got invited." "Your previous gang were invited to the celebration of Colm's brothers death." "Ye."
(overhearing someone having the 'there was a second rat' discussion) "Don't be dumb. Colm sold out other gangs to authorities all the time after Six Point he probably tipped Cornwall off about Valentine out of spite for the train score. Hell some of the O'Driscolls were known Pinkerton informants Colm just told them what they were allowed to tell the Pinkertons, kept the heat off hideouts."
"Lmao Colm is a bottom." "What the fuck Kieran."
"We were actually under orders not to shoot to kill in interactions with you guys because Colm wanted the joy to himself. Also he really believed Dutch cared enough to send someone looking if he captured any one of you alive he'd been trying to plan something like the parlay for years." "Thanks for the heads up." "It could NOT HAVE MORE OBVIOUSLY BEEN A TRAP."
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For "your court of owls batfam" au , how would Bruce react if Cobb ever got seriously hurt to the point of maybe having to be replaced? Also how do Dick and Jason feel about Cobb? Do they get along or is it strictly professional?
MWAHAHA I GOT ONE PERSON INTERESTED IN THIS AU ALREADY! *cheers*
Okay so Talon lore is that very little can keep a Talon down permanently. They can even regrow limbs if given enough time! So that’s neat. But basically replacing Talons isn’t a practice often exercised.
I know the Court canonically tried getting rid of Cobb in the Court of Owls saga because he got defeated by Batman and they didn’t think he’d “recover from the shame of being so thoroughly deafeated”.
It therefore stands to reason that he’s aware that he’s easily replaceable (there is always more than one Talon at any given time, although stored away in cryo usually) if he doesn’t perform to the Court’s expectations. Cobb is the best, been the best, Talon for over a century (?) now, but that means nothing if he fails to fulfill his missions.
So let’s say Cobb gets heavily injured by something that shouldn’t have been much of a challenge for a Talon. Let’s say his inattention/hubris/whatever nearly gets Bruce killed—-
That would be scandalous.
For one, his injuries will take several weeks to heal. Weeks in which the Voice will be virtually defenseless without their Talon. This is unacceptable.
And Two, some regular two bit criminals should have never been able to best a Talon in such a way. It’s a disgrace to the Court.
No, no, a new Talon must take Cobb’s place now. He has become obsolete. His services have been appreciated, but, “oh, you understand dear Talon, don’t you? The weak must be culled from the flock”.
And Cobb understands. He does. He’d thought- he thought he’d have more time, though. Time to convince Bruce to let him train the boy after all, to make sure his Voice is protected even after Cobb is gone. That the Court’s machinations will not see Bruce dead before the year is done because the new Talon will not know that Bruce is the best thing to have happened to the Court in a century. They will end up killing Bruce, killing Dick— (he shouldn’t care- he doesn’t care. He doesn’t. He doesn’t. He doesn’t-)
But then Bruce storms into the labs like the onset of a hurricane, all righteous fury and indignation, Dick hot on his heels (wide eyed and still too little with not enough training to hold out against the new Talon long enough to at least escape) demanding what the fuck is going on and why his Talon isn’t back by his side yet.
And he doesn’t accept the scientists’ reasonings that Cobb has done his duty; has become “outdated”. Doesn’t accept the reassurances of the “new one” being just as good— no, better, than the previous one. Doesn’t accept that a new Talon is supposed to protect him now. (“Him or none,” Bruce says, tone colder than the permafrost of the arctic, and at his side Dick’s eyes flash with unvoiced threat. “Now get out of my way.”)
As to the relationship between Cobb and the kids, well. His and Dick’s relationship is tense at first. Cobb has no interest being anything of a family to him despite their blood relations. He only sees Dick as a potential new (and perfect) Talon that could keep Bruce safe if he himself is deemed “outdated”. He’s not happy about all the potential “going to waste” by Dick being made Bruce’s ward, being allowed to live a sort of normal life. But once Dick approaches him for some training in physical combat… well. Sorry, Cobb tried. He really did. But Dick Grayson invented charisma, and even Cobb isn’t immune. He grudgingly starts liking the kid but will deny that until he’s blue in the face. Dick ends up being the Gray Son of Gotham, the highest ranking court member after Bruce with the training of a Talon.
With Jason it’s more straight forward. At first Cobb is pissed at Bruce for taking in a “street rat” and intending to adopt him, but… well, Jason grows on him “like fungus” (a direct quote). At first Cobb doesn’t really know what to make of Jason. The kid is loud and aggressive, but shrinks away like a wilting flower at the first signs of someone raising their voice. (He’s soft, Cobb thinks. The Court will eat him alive.)
But Jason’s also got a spine of steel as he clearly demonstrates when he jumps Cobb with a knife after an unfortunate misunderstanding where he assumed Bruce was in danger of him, and that kind of loyalty at least he can work with. (The kid’s still soft inside as all get out, but he’s excellent at covering it up with violence and bravado, and his charm is that he’s honest in a way so utterly foreign to the Court that it endears him to all the trustworthy members within a few months).
Jason becomes The Heart of the Court, the morality that Bruce was starting to have trouble clinging to; keeping them all on the right path towards a better future. A better Gotham.
(Cobb absolutely loves the children as much as Bruce does. It just takes him a bit longer to get there. And Jason is his favorite sorry I don’t make the rules. COUGH.)
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DadBoyHalo Fic Recs
Bagel's recs for fics focused on Bad being a dad, whether it's just to Sapnap or the whole Dream Team. (Often, Skeppy is there too.)
A World Wardped by Kuraiarcoiris
Something's wrong with a certain demon's world. And it takes three boys to help fix the error.
Rated G, 5.6k words, DadBoyHalo, Depression
Really cool realistic minecraft AU, Bad raising the Dream Team, and a touching story about mental health and family.
it's not kidnapping it's just adoption (that's how it works, right?) by SolivagantStories
How Bad and Skeppy found Sapnap, and how they became a family.
Rated G, 1.7k words, Accidental Baby Acquisition
Cute Bad and Skeppy shenanigans, and a unique take on them finding Sapnap, in that Skeppy is the one who gets attached first.
Rat Filled by FurrowedBrow
You’d think for a shapeshifting demon, Bad wouldn’t even care about this child. You’d think.
Rated G, 6.5k words, Found Family, Past Child Neglect
A look into Bad and Skeppy raising Sapnap that deals with the trauma of Sapnap being abandoned by his birth parents.
piled high like parsnips on his plate by cryptofhoney
Bad takes Sapnap to the Nether.
Rated G, 1.5k words, Minecraft Lore
Bad trying to teach Sapnap about where he came from. Cute DadBoyHalo moment with a side of lore.
We Could Be A Family by Bagelrites (me)
Bad is the process of adopting his third son, Sapnap, but the new social worker, Skeppy, is so cute, it makes him feel like a teenager all over again.
Rated G, 1.6k words, Adoption, Skephalo
More of a Skephalo fic, but BBH is raising the Dream Team boys and they love him and want to see him happy!
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