#redemption discourse

[midgardianqueenreturns]

The annoying thing about “ugh why can’t we have more irredeemable and unsympathetic villains, all villains get redeemed or are sympathetic these days” discourse is…most stories that have redeemed or sympathetic villains also have at least one irredeemable villain with 0 sympathetic qualities. Name a redeemed villain and I can often also name another villain from the same story as them who doesn’t get redeemed. For every Darth Vader there’s a Palpatine. You say “not all villains can be Zukos some of them should be Ozais” but miss who the obvious Ozais already are in favor of calling for the Zukos to also be Ozais.

#Villains #villain writing #villain discourse #Redemption arcs #redemption discourse #redemption arcs discourse #fandom bs #fandom nonsense #fandom problems

[to-shards-you-say]

haters will see you on your journey and be like "he hasn't reached his destination"

#here you go this willl be my only contribution to stormlight redemption discourse

[moeitsu]

If your only argument for shipping Arthur and John is “well they’re not real” stay the hell away from me.

I’m not even going to get into why IT IS incest. But here’s my take nonetheless:

Shipping incestuous relationships, even among fictional characters, is ethically problematic. It normalizes taboo behaviors and can distort perceptions of healthy relationships. Incest is universally recognized as harmful due to the potential for exploitation, abuse, and genetic risks. Romanticizing such relationships in fiction risks trivializing these serious issues. Choosing to ship incestuous relationships, even in fiction, perpetuates a harmful misconception and undermines the effort to cultivate a respectful and understanding narrative.

Misinterpreting a familial bond between characters raised as siblings as romantic chemistry reflects a misunderstanding of a healthy adult relationship.

It's important to be able to distinguish between different types of relationships. Such as recognizing the boundaries between familial love and romantic love. When people romanticize these sibling-like relationships, it blurs these distinctions. And it creates misconceptions about appropriate relationship dynamics.

This misinterpretation underscores the need for highlighting the role of media literacy in appreciating diverse human connections. Portraying and perceiving these characters' relationship as romantic undermines the value of familial bonds and may foster unrealistic expectations in adult relationships. It's crucial for audiences to acknowledge and respect the various meaningful connections that extend beyond romantic narratives.

I’m sorry if this reads like an essay, but as someone who’s taken media literacy classes in college and grown up in the Superwholock fandom, I have a lot to say on this topic. Engaging with fandoms and media since a very young age has deepened my understanding of how narratives influence societal norms and personal perceptions. It’s fascinating yet concerning to witness how certain portrayals in media can impact a fans interpretations and behaviors.

I want this to be open for discussion, because I think it’s important to promote a healthy and thoughtful consumption of media. As well as contribute to healthier representations and relationships in media and storytelling.

That’s it, goodnight, sleep tight, and be kind.

#arthur morgan #rdr2 #red dead redemption 2 #ao3 #john marston #abigail marston #shitpost #shipping discourse #discussion #let’s discuss #rdr2 dutch #rdr2 fanfic #arthur morgan rdr2 #red dead redemption community #red dead fandom #fandom

[spop-romanticizes-abuse]

a redemption arc is not a sacrifice.

a redemption arc is not some grand act of selflessness.

a redemption arc is not meaningless pain and suffering.

a redemption arc is simply facing the consequences of your actions, fixing your mistakes and doing better, regardless of whether you will be forgiven or accepted. that's it.

#saying this to all the idiots that are like “but catra suffered torture from horde prime!!” #or “catra has had enough trauma in her life do you want her to suffer more?” #no. we just want her to do better #we don't want to see her get hit by someone‚ we want her to be held accountable for her actions #spop critical #spop salt #spop criticism #spop discourse #spop #she ra #anti spop #anti catra #anticatra #redemption arc #redemption arcs

[they-call-me-haiku]

i hate the whole "the show was cancelled" excuse that toh fans constantly use to justify poor writing choices. i'm as upset as anyone that toh was cut short, but the show writers got an advantage that a lot of other shows didn't. they were allowed to actually end the show. look at infinity train, for example. it had more seasons planned but the execs decided to cancel it without even giving the creators time to write a proper ending.

so in that case, the writers of toh should consider themselves lucky and make do with what they have. of course, it's most ideal to have the freedom to write the entire show how you want. but when you can't do that but you're allowed to give the series a proper resolution, you have to pick and choose what plot points to focus on.

instead of focusing on the important arcs and plot points (belos's backstory, the collector's origin, hunter's arc, etc) the writers decided to add completely unnecessary ships and additions to further complicate the plot. i'll say it: huntlow was unnecessary, the whole hexside and kikimora thing in s3e2 was unnecessary, the collector's rushed redemption arc was unnecessary. in fact, some of these decisions actively affected the ongoing plot badly (huntlow ruining hunter's arc and bringing him back to square one).

in the end, you're left with more questions than answers. what's with the collector's sudden switch from evil and calculating to poor innocent uwu child? what actually happened in belos's past? how did hunter move on from his trauma without getting any closure and being paired with a person who acts a lot like his controlling uncle? why did amity forgive luz so quickly for lying to her after she asked her not to? what happened to all the witches and citizens of the demon realm who actually followed and worshipped belos?

so yeah, you really can't defend toh with this excuse. if i was making a show and was forced to cut it short, i'd be angry and upset, sure. but i'd try to make the best of it. i would focus on the main plot instead of going after side characters or ships that add nothing of importance to the plot. i still like this show a lot but i'm not going to blindly defend it. it has its flaws and they need to be critiqued.

#toh criticism #toh critical #toh salt #toh discourse #anti huntlow #anti huntl0w #huntl0w negative #i had high hopes for this show i really did #especially around hollow mind era when it really peaked #i was so hyped about belos and how complex he was #but then they scrapped all of the religious trauma in the finale and was like “nah he's pure evil just murder his ass” #i'm not saying i wanted a belos redemption #but his arc was so disappointing #he may not be forgivable but he was a sympathetic character #the reason i loved belos so much in s2 was because of how interesting and well-written he was #they really had to go and ruin that

[theweeklydiscourse]

Zuko really is the most complex redemption arc tumblr can handle before they start getting scared.

#the consequences of Zukos redemption arc being seen as the epitome of redemption arcs have been dire #yes this is based on that other post #this is what happens when media made for children is seen as the golden standard of storytelling #people will use Zuko’s arc as a measuring stick to judge how far a character can go before they’re beyond redemption and even then #atla #avatar zuko #zuko #fandom musings #fandom discourse #zutara #redemption arc

[transsexualcowboypussy]

putting this here bc y'all need to hear it but i think it's weird that charles being black isn't talked abt much in fandom. like there is so much abt being black specifically that informs his character. he was only w his mother's tribe a short time and is using what he remembers to honour her, but he was raised by his father, who was black. it feels like every other fan work i see has charles strictly as either the stoic native or as an exoticized "sexy man of colour" when neither one is correct. in canon charles was a drifter who spent a lot of time by himself, it makes sense for him to be quiet and reserved. as an afroindigenous person it's especially apparent to me when authors and artists depict him as being quiet and reserved because That's How Native Men Act, I Guess and only using his blackness to inform the way you're supposed to imagine his body to look whenever the author wants to sexualize him, when there's so, so much more about him to explore than just the very basic surface level of his race. i guess what i'm trying to say is please give charles the same consideration you give arthur

#rdr2 #red dead redemption 2 #charles smith #discourse

[fansplaining]

The internet is really good at speaking in extremes. Someone is either the G.O.A.T. or someone is trash. Someone is the internet’s boyfriend, or the internet’s villain. And there’s very little gray space, where people come to the dais of the public square. It is only kind of for one of those extreme reasons. They are the greatest of all time, we worship them, or they’re the worst thing ever, let’s mock them, at a time when they could probably use a helping hand, not mockery.

Dylan Marron on the lack of nuance in online conversations while discussing his new podcast, The Redemption of Jar Jar Binks. Click through to listen to the whole interview or read a full transcript!

#fansplaining #fandom #dylan marron #the redemption of jar jar binks #podcasts #online discourse #social media #digital communities

[coldgoldlazarus]

I can't believe I have to make this fucking post but here we go

What Neo did to Ruby was cruel and awful and fucked-up and unforgivable. Ruby didn't deserve to have that done to her.

What the Cat did to Neo is also awful, fucked-up, and generally horrific. Neo, even after all of that, didn't deserve that either.

These statements can coexist.

You can hate Neo for what she did, and believe me I get it, but acting like other people are somehow excusing that if they still feel any sympathy for her is like, not the approach to take. Yeah I'll agree that there's no "greyness" to Neo's revenge, but I don't care for this punitive sentiment I'm seeing in some corners.

#not a reblog #rwby #rwby9 #rwby spoilers #villains are problematic news at 11 #fates I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy #nuance =/= greyness #also redemption =/= forgiveness #also this shouldn't need to be said #but before someone willfully misinterprets my post #the other handful of people in the opposite corner #cheering on Neo's plan and calling it a W #are also just being assholes #rwby discourse

[guinevereslancelot]

babe would you still love me if we were superheroes and you were in danger and i went absolutely bonkers and crossed every moral boundary imaginable to protect you at literally any cost?

#would you still love me if i was covered in blood for you? #anywayyyy more superheros going of the fucking deep end for love thanks <3333 #this isn't based in anything in particular unfortunately i would simply like to see it #anyway.....people compromising their morals for love!!! doing the wrong thing for selfish reasons!!! #too many people commenting on my betrayal post think its about ur lover changing your mind/making you realize u were wrong #no!!! its about choosing the wrong side in purpose!!! going against ur beliefs bc u love someone more than ur conscience #KNOWING its wrong but doing it anyway in absolute AGONY because what other choicebdo you have!!! #anyway <3 #sacrifice ur soul for ur lover or don't waste their time #this has been a shitpost #please tag your blorbos <3 #ig this is lowkey and anidala post but i want the superhero version please and also without the totally implosion of the ship and hero #i want the good guy lover to live with the weight of his sins knowing he can never atone but he would make all the same choices again 🤌 #devotion to your lover above everything!! past the point of redemption or the ability to forgive yourself!!! #(this is good when the lover is horrified but better when they forgive their lover for the atrocities committed for their own sake) #otp dynamic fr #worm discourse

[midgardianqueenreturns]

“Not every villain needs a redemption arc!”

Correct. However, who on earth is calling for ALL villains to be redeemed? Even the most pro-redemption folks can name villains they don’t think should be redeemed. Just because someone wants a redemption arc for a villain you don’t think needs it doesn’t mean they apply that to ALL villains. This argument is nothing but a disingenuous strawman.

#Villain discourse #villains #Redemption arc #redemption arc discourse #redemption discourse #redemption arcs #fandom bs #fandom discourse #fandom nonsense #fandom problems #Writing discourse

[i-said-blimey]

I get that people love the rat grinders

and want to see them redeemed because they were being misled by their teachers

And maybe I would have been on that side if it hadn't been for KLCK. If it wasn't the slashing her own AP member's throat, it would the complaining about Riz having a hard life as if that somehow gave him advantage. If it wasn't the endangering students at the party, it would be the trying to bring about the apocalypse. I have as much sympathy for her as I have for Penelope, Biz and Dayne in freshman year.

In conclusion:

I don't really care much about the rest of TRG. Except maybe hating Ivy for being a fantasy racist. I even thought Oisin and Adaine would be cute together before it turned out there was nothing there at all. Ruben is insufferable but what teen boy isn't. I just don't think that him being a teenager makes him a wooby whose actions need to be ignored or justified.

I'm not saying it's bad to care about TRG or whatever. i just don't get why people are acting like TBK are awful for killing TRG when TRG have been making their lives miserable. And are also actively trying to bring about the apocalypse. Or worse that BLeeM and IH are horrible for not shifting the story from mystery solving to focusing on redeeming TRG

#dropout #dimension 20 #fantasy high #fhjy #fantasy high junior year #d20 #the rat grinders #the bad kids #i understand being disappointed with a season or wanting it to go a different way or whatever #and even criticizing their RP or storytelling abilities #valid criticism isn't my issue #but i do think it's wild to make moral judgements about the cast and creators #because your fave NPCs (i dont even get why but to each their own) aren't being redeemed #whatever discourse is discourse #i shouldn't wade into this but i am #this is mainly stuff ive been seeing on twitter but idk i just think it's wild #edit: also the bbegs this season are obvi porter and jace and that's how TBK have been playing it #they haven't been killing TRG just to kill them #they're doing it because they need to get the little guys out of the way to handle the dragon and the boss #but if the little guys are in the way they're in the way #edit 2: and this isn't me being anti trg or anti redemption #just anti making moral judgements on actors writers creators for your faves not ending up where you wanted them to

[spop-romanticizes-abuse]

spop fans 🤝 toh fans

using the classic “the show was cancelled/there wasn't enough time” excuse to justify the creators' poor writing choices

#toh i might concede a little but spop? #5 SEASONS isn't enough time for a good redemption arc??? be ffr #most shows havd like 2-3 seasons at max #just admit that the crew-ra were just bad at their jobs #spop critical #spop salt #spop discourse #spop #spop criticism #she ra #anti spop #toh salt #toh critical #toh criticism #toh discourse #anti toh #anti stans

[roamingtigress]

A gentle request? Please don't tag hate, it's sort of part of Tumblr etiquette. We all have our faves and least favourite charas and ships but sometimes it's just nice to get away from negativity that's in our lives and oogle over funny and cute stuff with our blorbos :3

#fandom #fandom culture #shipping #rdr2 #rdr2 community #red dead redemption 2 community #red dead redemption 2 #shipping discourse #fanfiction

[theweeklydiscourse]

Tbh I’ve never really viewed Han’s death as an insurmountable moral obstacle in Kylo’s redemption arc. This could be because I personally don’t have many strong or passionate feelings about him as a character, but I also think that from a story perspective, it’s because his death has a relevant narrative function for Kylo’s character arc.

The fact that the movies take the time to show the viewer his guilt and turmoil over the event, telling Rey that he didn’t hate Han, Snoke berating him for being so shaken by it, these are clear examples of his progression towards redemption. Especially considering that Han had already forgiven his son for killing him and his death acted as a symbolic gesture to give him a push in the right direction. Because it was precisely Han’s death that was the catalyst for Ben’s development in the subsequent movies. I guess I just don’t really see it as a huge deal, Han died loving his son and what better way to honour his sacrifice than for it to eventually culminate in his son returning back to the light?

#ben solo #han solo #the force awakens #tfa #tlj #Rey #redemption arc discourse #reylo discourse #reylo #kylo ren

[theglimmadoraarchives]

The Season 5 rewrite fics usually do a better job writing Catra's arc than the canon version of Season 5.

A good redemption arc has the character owning up to their actions and genuinely changing. They face the consequences of their choices. Their arc isn't rushed and badly written.

A bad redemption arc doesn't have any of that.

#spop #anti c//a #anti catradora #spop discourse #redemption arcs #spop crit