I'm starting to get into the Supernatural fandom now that I'm 9 seasons in and I have to say... it sure is something. This show can sometimes piss me off but man some people in this fandom really now how to press my buttons.
I mean, how hard is it not to have horrible takes that completely simplifies and invalidates all the trauma and characterization of these characters? Also, why are people so mean? Can't we just all bond over our collective hatred of John Winchester and call it a day? Is it that hard?
Anyways, love Sam and Dean Winchester. They are THE brothers.
Listen! Much as I do have a lot of strong negative feelings about the way Sam tends to behave under pressure, and the way he is behaving thus far in season eight, I think that the spn writers have done something incredibly real and true in the way Dean and Sam’s characters have been shaped as the older and younger children of an abusive parent.
Dean gets drunk, fucks up, gets mad, hurts people, but he doesn’t act out in the same way Sam does, because he’s never really had the safety of knowing he has someone to act out to.
Sam always has this baseline sense that he can be a massive dick if he wants. He can complain, he can say it’s just too hard and he doesn’t wanna, he can throw all his toys out of the pram and still basically know that someone who loves him will pick them back up again. That person, obviously, is Dean - most of the time in the story Dean functions as Sam’s father, not his older brother. Apart from the year that passes between seasons 7 and 8, he’s always been there to cushion Sam from life, to tell Sam he’s special, to get punched in the face (metaphorically and literally) so Sam isn’t hurt.
Dean, though, is always on the front lines and emotionally alone. There were good people in his life growing up - Bobby, Ellen - and I think he gets most of his very strong and mostly positive morality from them - but he’s missed out on the knowledge that there’s one constant presence for whom he comes first. And because he missed that, he will rip himself apart to take care of everyone he meets but he doesn’t believe for a second that he’s worthy of care himself. That’s why the moment in season 4 when Cas asks why he doesn’t think he’s worthy of being saved hits so hard, and why Dean is so fascinated by Cas from jump. He’s the one person who’s ever turned to Dean and said directly that he is important.
But of course Cas just saying it isn’t enough to flip a lifetime of learned behavior. Dean cannot even for a second allow himself to be the level of self-centred that Sam is on a regular basis. If Dean hit a dog he might not take it to the vet (because he baseline does not trust society) but he’d just quietly assume that he has a dog now, even if he doesn’t want one. Whereas Sam allows himself to yell and cry and say he doesn’t WANT a dog, actually!!
So maybe I don’t like Sam a huge amount, or condone the way he’s behaving, but at a deep level I think he works and makes sense as a human being. Yes, this is how he’d function if he was real!
Both Winchesters are facing intolerable shit all the time, but only one of them is emotionally able to articulate that, because only one of them has ever been told that he’s allowed to want more than intolerable shit every day for ever. Everyone should feel able to behave badly the way Sam does, and the central tragedy of the show is that Dean doesn’t ever feel safe enough to be a rotten little butthead once in a while.
Just started Supernatural season 8 and it's pretty good but I'm confused about Dean and Sams opinions right now. Sam wants a normal life now which makes sense after the Cage but he didn't even look for Dean which is basically just abandoning him. So it makes sense why Dean would be angry and feeling like he was in fact abandoned. But what Im confused about is why Dean is angry that Sam wants a normal life. Im pretty sure that is what Dean had been wanting for Sam for a while. The only reason I can think this is, is that Dean is desperately wanting something normal after Purgatory and is getting angry at Sam, not cause he wants a normal life but because Dean feels like Sam no longer wants him around. This season feels a lot like season 1 and it's kinda annoying cause it's hard to see their character development when it's so similar to season 1.
I'm hoping the rest of the season will explain their switching opinions and stances on things.
I just needed to say something. I'm kind of frustrated.
I am on a trip to London and I've been largely unmasking at I'm realizing things.
At work I mask constantly and get treated like a sweet honest child. I'm kinda infantalized but I am trusted. I unmask on this trip and I'm still treated like a child but it's somehow worse!!!
Like I'm being treated like a literal out of control child that everyone needs to berate and lecture. I'm not even exaggerating. My friend bosses me around on where I should go and what I shouldn't do. She wakes me up like my mother does. "It's time to wake up now.' (demanding) these classmates are lecturing me about my jacket. People grab me to pull me one way or other. I'm told that I'm doing everything wrong and people start yelling at me when I ALREADY know. Like, I know this is what this is for, I know people do something this way. I was about to do it too if you just mind your own business.
My God, no wonder why I mask all the time.
Anyway, being autistic and having ADHD sucks. People think I'm incredibly incompetent when I just do things slightly different.
Just started Supernatural for the first time. I've been watching it every hour I possibly can. It is so hyperfizable. Sure, its not perfect but it's so easy to love.
I have thoughts but my main one is that Dean deserves the world. I finished season 5 last night at 2 am. The character development this boy goes through?!!!! Amazing! I think I'll write a essay on just why I love it so much.
That cursed cat Alastor thing going around is too good, it has me posting messy meme pseudoWIPs like I’m not a chronic perfectionist
Anyway, I’m desperate to know if cursed cat Alastor still owns Husk’s soul and if so, how he holds his cane? A close second was gonna be the microphone dangling from around his neck like a cowbell, but readable silhouettes won out
Alastor and Lucifer are both autistic but in different flavors.
Lucifer is depressed disassociating hyperfixation can barely focus on this conversation time has no meaning sensory seeking autistic.
Alastor is I’m making facial expressions my new thesis statement so nobody says anything ever again I will act a very specific way routines I do not like change don’t touch me unless I say you can autistic.
Lucifer has made apples and ducks his entire personality. Alastor has made radio and smiling his entire personality.
I’m doing my best but failing visibly and I’m in a downward spiral bc of it autism VS I don’t know what’s going on or how to actually act around other people so I’ve made it my mission to be prepared for all social situations yet clearly can’t see how over the top I’m acting in an attempt to mask autism.
Lucifer cannot hold a conversation to save his life, and says things too honestly, at the wrong time, and uses phrases wrong. Alastor, being a talkative character who was a radio host, is actually either scripting, or using actual radio static/channel tuning sounds or music to emote and further the conversation along without having to actually speak half the time, and when not using gentlemanly scripting is otherwise blunt and rude.
They’re both barely hanging on for different reasons and my autistic ass is just like pointing at the screen, like there’s so many other reasons they’re messes, obviously, but ALSO the autism!