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[240426] xuminghao_o Instagram Update

#seventeen #the8 #240426 #p: instagram

[lesbiancarat]

How to eat mala deliciously = Eat while getting scolded by THE 8ㅣreviewㅣ...

#seventeen #the8 #240426 #p: youtube #Youtube

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SEVENTEEN (세븐틴) 'MAESTRO' Official Teaser 2

#seventeen #240426 #p: youtube #is there no ai in this or did i miss it? im at work so i could only like half watch it lol #still kind of hoping there will be no ai in the actual mv and it was just for the one teaser #there was no disclaimer on this one at least #edit: saw an article. looks like there are ai scenes in the mv #oh well

[lesbiancarat]

[240425] ho5hi_kwon Instagram Update

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#seventeen #hoshi #240425 #p: instagram

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[240425] dk_is_dokyeom Instagram Update

#seventeen #dk #240425 #p: instagram #ad: bally

[lesbiancarat]

As a carat who is not against AI and AI generated art (I could def elaborate on why, but it might take a while and idk if you'd be interested in all of that lol), I find it kind of funny that a point we both agree on is that it's weird and hypocritical for them to use it within a it's own critique! Especially because, while music videos have artistic merit on their own, they are largely a money making opportunity for the label. So using the very technology they seem to be fighting against is strikingly antithetical and screams cash grab in a way that is uncharacteristic of seventeen as people but is right on the nose for HYBE as a company.

Also I just wanted to mention that we don't have any information (i don't think) on the neural network used to create the music video, and for all we know they could have trained their own network on images that they own or those in the public domain in order to create the final product. Not all generative machine learning is the same as what is most publicly visible. Just like you, I have very little faith in HYBE right now and am under no illusions that this will assuage your worries, but I thought I'd mention it anyways!

yeah I did think about putting an aside in my original post about not knowing what AI/neural network they used to generate the images, and if it was based on images they own/have been submitted for that specific purpose by artists, photographers, etc. then it is more ethical from that perspective. but I have a tendency to get very wordy in my posts and add a lot of asides and exceptions to what I'm saying, and sometimes it just ends up getting confusing or muddling the point I'm trying to make so I opted to leave it out lol

but yeah like I said, even if you put ethical concerns about AI aside, at the very least, using AI in their critique about AI undermines the message they're trying to send, so it's just a bad creative decision either way

#melia.ask #anon

[lesbiancarat]

want to give my two cents on the AI usage in the maestro trailer--

i think seventeen doing a whole concept that is anti-AI is very cool, especially as creatives themselves i think it's good that they're speaking up against it and i hope it gets more ppl talking about the issue. i also understand on a surface level the artistic choice (whether it was made by the members, the mv director, or whoever else), to directly use AI in contrast to real, human-made visuals and music in order to criticize it. i also appreciate that they clearly stated the intention of the use of AI at the beginning of the video

however, although i understand it to an extent, i do not agree with the choice to use AI to critique AI. one of the main ethical concerns with generative AI is that it is trained on other artists' work without their knowledge, consent, or compensation. and even when AI generated images are being used to critique AI, it still does not negate this particular ethical concern

the use of AI to critique also does not negate the fact that this is work that could have been done by an actual artist. i have seen some people argue that it's okay in this context because it's a critique specifically about AI, and it is content that never would have been done by a real artist anyway because it doesn't make sense for the story they're trying to tell. but i disagree. i think you can still tell the exact same story without using AI

and in fact, i would argue that it would make the anti-AI message stronger if they HAD paid an artist to draw/animate the scenes that are supposed to represent AI generated images. wouldn't it just be proof that humans can create images that are just as bad and nonsensical and soulless as AI, but that AI can't replicate the creativity and beauty and basic fucking anatomy that's in human-made art?

it feels very obvious this was not just a way to cut corners and costs like a lot of scummy people are using AI for. ultimately it was a very intentional creative decision, i just personally think it was a very poor one. and even if some ethical considerations were taken into account before this decision, i certainly don't think all of them were. at the very least i feel like the decision undermines the message they want to convey

i would also like to recognize that i myself am not an artist, and i have seen some artists that are totally on board with the use of AI in this specific context, so clearly this is not a topic that is cut and dry. but generative AI is still new, and i think it's important to keep having these conversations

#melia.txt #also want to add that as musicians svt are more directly threatened by AI generated audio than they are by AI generated images #and yet AI generated images is what was used in the video #and i guess the MV director/production company are the ones directly responsible for putting that in there #whether it was their initial idea or not #and they work in a visual medium so perhaps that makes it more 'fair' but idk it just feels like #the commentary is around music. which makes sense. and using human produced music/sound #but then taking advantage of AI images #idk just feels weird #i mean i don't like it either way #like i said in the main post i understand the intention behind the creative decision #and i'm still happy svt are speaking against ai at all i do think overall they're doing a good thing here #i just don't agree with the creative decision they/the production company/whoever made #edit: deleted the part about not boycotting svt over this bc ppl were commenting about boycotting bc of the 🛴 stuff #i meant specifically /I/ am not calling for a boycott because of specifically the ai stuff #was just trying to make a general point that im not making this post bc i want to sabatoge svt or whatever #bc kpop fans love to pull that catd whenever u criticize anything #so yeah just removed that bit bc i dont want ppl getting confused what im talking about #respect ppl boycotting because of scooter/israel stuff but thats not what this post was intended to be about #edit 2: turning off reblogs bc im going to bed and having asomewhat controversial post up is not gonna help me sleep well lol #may or my not turn rb's back on in the morning

[lesbiancarat]

[240425] pledis_boos Instagram Update

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#seventeen #seungkwan #240425 #p: instagram

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SEVENTEEN (세븐틴) 'MAESTRO' Official Teaser 1

#seventeen #240425 #p: youtube #hmm dont know how i feel about the AI #first reading the thing i was like oh cool a commentary against AI #and then they were like part of this video was made using AI and i was like fuck!! NOT cool #at least they were upfront about the usage #hoping the actual mv doesnt have ai in it :/ #but not holding out hope #Youtube

[lesbiancarat]

[240424] everyone_woo Instagram Update

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#seventeen #wonwoo #240424 #p: instagram

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[240424] xuminghao_o Instagram Update

#seventeen #the8 #240424 #p: instagram #ad: louis vuitton

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[17'S] 다양한 음악의 신들이 있는 세봉예고🏫

그곳으로 부임한 마에스트로 선생님의 오케스트라 단원 모집은

성공적으로 이루어질 수 있을지...❓🤔

세봉 체임버 오케스트라의 역사가 시작된 10년 전 이야기는

다음 주에도 계속됩니다🎼

#seventeen #240424 #p: twitter

[lesbiancarat]

assigned "new gen stan" by Spotify because I listen to seventeen, itzy, and twice... spotify pls learn what new gen means 🤣

#i guess i listen to more 3rd and 4th gen than 1st and 2nd #but like calling svt and twice new gen at this point is pretty funny lol #also seach 'kpop persona' on spotify if u want to do this yourself its a little 5 question quiz #melia.txt

[lesbiancarat]

they're releasing cheers to youth mv last bc they know it's gonna put us all into a coma due to emotional overload and they need to make sure we see all the other mv's before that happens

#melia.txt

[lesbiancarat]

I'm honestly so hyped for unit mv's??? I've been a carat going on 7 years now and I don't think I've ever actually experienced this??? bc the last unit mv's we got were teen,age era which is right when I joined the fandom but I didn't find out about the unit mv's until months after the fact 🥹

#im gonna feel dumb if there have been unit mvs since then im forgetting about #and when i say unit mvs i mean hhu pu vu #not talking about leaders or bss #but literally like anyone who joined the fandom a month before i did got to experience those being released #i JUST missed being able to experience that #and i was a casual listener of svt at the time!!! #i just wasnt in the fandom yet ahhh!!!! #melia.txt

[lesbiancarat]

SEVENTEEN (세븐틴) BEST ALBUM '17 IS RIGHT HERE'

‘MAESTRO’ MV Preview

🪄 2024.04.29 6PM (KST)

🪄 2024.04.29 5AM (ET)

#seventeen #240424 #p: twitter

[lesbiancarat]

SEVENTEEN (세븐틴) BEST ALBUM '17 IS RIGHT HERE'

‘LALALI’ MV Preview

➣ 2024.05.10 0AM (KST)

➣ 2024.05.09 11AM (ET)

#seventeen #240424 #p: twitter