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What's obvious:

Elain and Lucien are mates, but are awkward with each other because...they're strangers.

What's reaching:

You see, Elain and Lucien have a 'fake' bond even though Lucien was the one who reacted to her being thrown in the cauldron and Azriel was busy worrying only for Mor. Elain and Az are true mates, and the fake bond is like the one from ToG, even though it's obvious that it was a spell by Maeve. Elucien bond is tricked by Hybern/Rhys/Koschei for no reason. It's not real. There's no other reason why Elain and Lucien are awkward and why their bond seems strange, she dislikes him, it's definitely fake fake fa—

SJM, who made it crystal clear that Elucien are mates years ago, and is building tension to write a 'strangers-turned-mates' love story:

#elucien #pro elucien #anti e/riel

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LMAOOOOOO

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"if i was orpheus i would simply not turn around" yes you would. if you were orpheus and you loved eurydice, you would. to love someone is to turn around. to love someone is to look at them. whichever version of the myth — he hears her stumble, he can't hear her at all, he thinks he's been tricked — he turns around because he loves her. that's why it's a tragedy. because he loves her enough to save her. because he loves her so much he can't save her. because he will always, always turn around. "if i was orpheus i would simply —" you wouldn't be orpheus. you wouldn't be brave enough to walk into the underworld and save the person you love. be serious

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Oh boy, this is going to be funny.

"Cassian had a spark of joy for Nyx! Lorcan Aelin had a spark quote! Feyre Tamlin!" - cried E/riels

You can have the Feylin one, and yes that was romantically coded as Feyre once loved Tamlin so much she died for him. It didn't end well, but the romance very much happened. I don't see SJM giving a whole book to a couple, and changing the couple in the next book again. So that ends this defense.

(Funny how the antis forget that the something sparked quote was there for Ruhn-Lidia in a recent book though. Y'know ...the endgame mates.)

Lorcan-Aelin moment is laughable, because anyone who read ToG would know the context of it. Don't get me started on the Cassian-Nyx comparison. And the spark in the above two quotes is clearly different. This is why context matters.

However, I'll change just the names in the Elucien-Gwynriel quotes to show how absurd the comparisons of the antis are:

Elucien quote, changed:

"Aelin's eyes were the brown of a fawn's coat. And Lorcan could've sworn something sparked in them as she met his gaze"

I don't even wanna insert the ridiculous Cassian-Nyx-spark argument here, because it is icky. So I picked Aelin Lorcan for both quotes. (Sorry, Elide and Rowan 😔)

Gwynriel quote, changed: (this is hilarious)

"Something sparked in Lorcan's chest. He could picture it. How Aelin's teal eyes would light up seeing the necklace. Lorcan tucked away the thought, consciously erasing the slight smile it brought to his face. Buried it down deep where it glowed quietly. A thing of secret, lovely beauty."

💀 Rowan would destroy his ass, but hey now it's clear SJM doesn't write such specific quotes for anyone but the endgame couples

Now I hope it's obvious that these two 'spark' moments are unique to Elucien and Gwynriel, and that it can't be equated to an uncle nephew, or a Queen and her blood sworn.

What's one word that scares the antis?

'Spark'

"Her eyes were the brown of a fawn's coat. And he could've sworn something sparked in them as she met his gaze."

- Lucien Vanserra about Elain Archeron.

"Something sparked in Azriel's chest. He could picture it. How Gwyn's teal eyes might light upon seeing the necklace. Azriel tucked away the thought, consciously erasing the slight smile it brought to his face. Buried the image down deep, where it glowed quietly. A thing of secret lovely beauty."

- Azriel thinking about Gwyneth Berdara

It's time for the redheads to reign supreme.

#elucien #gwynriel #anti e/riel

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What's one word that scares the antis?

'Spark'

"Her eyes were the brown of a fawn's coat. And he could've sworn something sparked in them as she met his gaze."

- Lucien Vanserra about Elain Archeron.

"Something sparked in Azriel's chest. He could picture it. How Gwyn's teal eyes might light upon seeing the necklace. Azriel tucked away the thought, consciously erasing the slight smile it brought to his face. Buried the image down deep, where it glowed quietly. A thing of secret lovely beauty."

- Azriel thinking about Gwyneth Berdara

It's time for the redheads to reign supreme.

#elucien #lucien vanserra #elain archeron #gwynriel #gwyneth berdara #azriel #anti e/riel

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No, because imagine this:

If Lucien were in Elain's place, and if he was resisting the bond, ignoring her while she looks at him with longing, genuinely cares for him and respects his space.

If it had been Elain who wanted to simply get to know Lucien, and he was silent.

If it had been Lucien who almost kissed another woman, knowing Elain—his mate— was in the same house, possibly feeling his emotions down the bond while feeling devastated.

The fandom would have crucified Lucien lmao. Some of them already do, when he has literally done nothing wrong. The double standards when it comes to Lucien are so real. Especially seeing that his character is described as being fiercely loyal.

You'll see that most Eluciens don't hate on Elain for what she did though. Because physical attraction doesn't mean endgame. Because we know Feyre had an Isaac and a Tamlin. Aelin had a Chaol and even Dorian. Hell, Feyre was in love with Tamlin and Aelin canonically had feelings for Chaol. They got over that lol. Elain can totally get over a momentary crush/lust.

Having said that, being a little frustrated with Elain's actions and worrying about Lucien being in pain is totally valid. Readers are allowed to be critical of a character's actions without hating the character.

What's annoying is when shippers distort literal canon, something which I've seen the antis do regularly. Like the above screenshot.

Are Elriels aware that Lucien is literally homeless? and thats literally the only place he can live in?

So its not okay for Lucian to live with another woman (his only option) its cheating and rude but its fine when Elain was ready to kiss another man while her mate was in the same house? Like please be fucking for real now.

#lucien vanserra #pro lucien vanserra #elucien #anti e/riel

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E/riels: Elain owes nothing to Lucien. She doesn't want him; she is not interested in him. Elain almost kissing Az was not cheating! People who accuse Elain of cheating are disgusting—

E/riels after SJM posted a song on her story: Omg Guilty as Sin so E/riel coded. You see, Elain is emotionally cheating on Lucien with Az.. so she's feeling guilty! It all fits!

Them: Omg Elain and Azriel are totally meeting in secret. And they have grazed fingers, secret touches ahhh!

Also them: Without ever touching his skin line is so E/riel haha—

If contradicting themselves on a regular basis was an art, E/riels would be the Picassos of it.

#anti e/riel #elucien #pro elucien #Elain is the most beautiful female Lucien had ever seen pls that's endgame quote

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Forbidden romance theory is garbage.

Hypothetically, all Elain has to do, is to just tell Lucien she has 'feelings' for Azriel who thinks he is entitled to her.Lucien will be devastated, but he will gracefully bow out and respect her choice.

And if that happens, how would it be a FoRbIdDen romance? ✨No one cares ✨, no tension, nothing.

The 'forbidden love' E/riels crave works only if Elain is not upfront with Lucien. Keeping everyone in the dark and sneaking around is what I've seen some of them speculate.

Sorry, this is SJM. Not Penelope Douglas.

Here's the thing: That sounds disgusting and is low-key cheating. Elain's actions till now don't fall under cheating imo, because she's uncertain about the bond. Once she decides firmly? Why sneak around without telling Lucien who has been nothing but respectful, gentle and caring? That would paint both Elain and Azriel in a shitty light. Lucien has been a fan favourite, so the book would be a flop to see two people needlessly string a decent guy along and be cruel to him.

It's just not happening, and it makes zero sense.

Good thing that Elucien is clearly endgame though. We don't have to cook unrealistic theories. The stage is all set to witness Lucien Vanserra charm his mate, Elain Archeron.☀️🦊

#elucien #pro elucien #lucien vanserra #anti e/riel

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Do you believe the best foundation for love is friendship? – It is rare, but you must follow your heart. (x)

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To add:

I've read several romance novels, and in those, the 'Rejected Mate' trope is popular ONLY when the MMC fucks up, rejects the FMC and has to grovel to get back into her good graces. The readers love the angst that comes with it, but ultimately they're in for the ✨fated mates endgame - the only HEA✨

The less popular rejected mates novels have the MMC be a complete douchebag/abuser, and therefore the FMC finds love elsewhere.

Elucien fits neither of these two categories. Lucien has been a perfect gentleman to Elain. There is no need for even a grovel from his side; the man has done nothing wrong at all.

To me, it's crystal clear that Elucien was always SJM's plan and they will be endgame in the upcoming book.

People want a rejected mate trope but fail to realize a lot of rejected mate tropes are just second chance romances for the rejected mate pairing as they work through their differences.

There are very few books where the rejected mate couple stay apart, and usually those are when the guy tries to off the woman & as she's dieing is blessed with a different guy. I can't see that happening between Elucien when Lucien looked at Elain with longing still in ACOSF.

Sarah is a fated mate author. Elain and Lucien WILL be endgame, even if they explore a rejected mate bond.

🎨 is by @rosalynnart

#elucien #pro elucien

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I've seen many crack theories.. but here's one that always makes me laugh:

"Oh Elain and Lucien will be good friends but that's all, strictly platonic that's what SJM meant by telling that they'll have tension, healing and growth together...haha!"

A vast majority of the fandom is still surprised that Feyre didn't fall for Lucien in book 1. That's how magnetic, charming and fascinating his character is. So you think, Elain Archeron, would get to know Lucien Vanserra, her MATE, and then decide to... just be friends?

Elain will certainly not make a decision without spending time with Lucien. SJM would not do a disservice to two characters like that, no matter how much some people manifest a "mate reject, sorry bye" situation. So, the 'getting to know each other' part is a must, and I firmly believe it will lead to love. As it did for every SJM mate pairing. Therefore, Elucien endgame is inevitable.

Be serious, because once Elain likes Lucien enough to be 'friends' with him, what would stop her from falling for Lucien? Hmm, let's see.

His kindness and patience? His bravery and loyalty? His care and protectiveness? His snark, witty humour and charisma? How supportive and respectful he is? How well dressed, elegant and stunning he looks? The 'fire in his blood'? 🥵 How resilient and selfless he is, no matter how much trauma life throws at him? (I could keep going but I'll stop for now)

Antis: No way, Elain would not fall for a man with all this.. j-just platonic..haha–* Coping intensifies *

Ah yes, because it totally makes sense for Elain and Lucien to 'platonically' have 'tension, healing, and growth together' while somehow simultaneously having a foRbIdDeN romance between Azriel and Elain. Totally believable! /s

#lucien vanserra #elucien #pro elucien #elain x lucien #elain archeron

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"They're strangers! Elain is uncomfortable with Lucien—"

* fake gasp * So what?

Every time someone makes this argument but stans the other ships in the series, this is exactly what they sound like:

#elucien #pro elucien #anti e/riel #lucien vanserra #elain archeron #elain x lucien

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"I don't see how people are telling Azriel only lusts after Elain, there are fOuR boOks of—"

Reminder, this is a direct quote from Azriel's POV. We are IN his head, and hearing his thoughts:

Context - Rhys is aghast at Azriel's actions and questions if he would seduce Elain AWAY from Lucien.

Azriel's thoughts, quoted verbatim:

"He hadn't gotten that far with his planning, certainly not beyond the fantasies he pleasured himself to."

/end

Now, what's so complex here? We are literally in his thoughts, since it's his POV and he admits that he hadn't planned anything beyond his sexual fantasies.

There is no interpreting this differently, or distorting it by saying "No, my poor bb finks he is unworthy of her so he didn't think 🥺—"

I'm going to stop you right there. If he had thought "He hadn't let himself think beyond..." or if he argued even in his head "Rhys knows nothing about my feelings regarding Elain", you could make that argument. Man clearly says that he hasn't planned beyond his lusty thoughts. There is the word 'certainly', which nails the coffin shut. Period.

Sure, fans can write fanfictions and insert their own thoughts in the character. But canon!Azriel certainly hasn't thought any romantic thoughts about Elain — true mate romance? Azriel doesn't think so. Forbidden romance? Azriel would disagree, because there's no hint of romance in his thoughts.

There were many places in the BC where he could've defended himself, or SJM could've added an internal dialogue conveying his angst and alleged feelings. He didn't have to state it out loud, he just had to think it. But there were zero hints. The BC makes it glaringly obvious that what Azriel desperately craves is a mating bond, and he's fixating on Elain because of the 3x3 math— much like a certain section of the fandom.

And SJM basically replied to them saying "Lol no."

#anti e/riel #elucien #gwynriel

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^Considering this, it is painfully obvious that if she ever explores the rejected bond in a story, the rejection will happen to a horrible person, say hypothetically, someone rejecting a character like Ianthe/Hybern because who wouldn't.

Given how much emphasis SJM has put on how sacred the bond is and how devastating it would be to lose a mate, she will never ever do it to a main character, who is a genuinely good person. Especially when said person has already been through so much trauma.

Meaning this will definitely never happen to Lucien Vanserra (best man in the series), who is the perfect match and equal for Elain.

Elucien is endgame, and it's inevitable.

If Sarah wanted to write a rejected mating bond she wouldn’t have written that if the bond was rejected it will still be there, and that Elain will still feel it for the rest of her life, or Cassian saying that even if Nesta rejects the bond he will still feel her.

Given that Sarah herself said that when she’s writing a book, she also thinks about the future books too. I don’t think it makes sense for her to write this, when in her mind the next book will be about rejected mates…

#elucien #lucien vanserra #anti e/riel #haters should brace themselves lmao

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remember when lucien gifted elain those pearl earrings on winter solstice and it was awkward and uncomfortable and everybody was just staring as he tried not to look so devastated.and then lucien proceeded to not receive any gifts not even from feyre who he never forgets to gift something ,who’s supposed to be his friend.and that same night elain&azriel almost smooched just a floor below him .yeah what was that 🙁

i would’ve just winnowed my ass home because what the fuck 🗣️🗣️.

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If Sjm makes Lucien apologise/grovel to Feyre again while she continues to be a shit friend to him— ✋🏼

I’m honestly so scared of getting an elucien book because of the possibility of sjm ruining lucien’s character the same way she did with cassian and pretty much every other male character.I need lucien to fight back against the bad writing because if his character gets assassinated I’ll lose my mind.Pls god let lucien escape the sjm toxic mate writing 🗣️🙏.

#lucien vanserra

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Not the antis talking shit about Lucien in his tag. What's funny is that they don't make sense either, they're just confidently wrong and loud.

It's very simple: use 'anti-' when it's a hate or negative post, and censor the name. (Like how I've done below)

Use the right tags. It's not quantum physics.

#lucien vanserra #anti e/riel #btw eluciens need to tag Elain Archeron more tbh