#(just like logan's w shiv!)

[endiness]

tbh one of the things that makes me think that roman might kill himself is i feel like the show's just gonna give everyone the worst, most tragic, pyrrhic victory ending and i feel like roman's death would do that. 'cause right now he's really the glue holding the family together. he’s the one who most wants them to be a family and is actively trying to get them to be one and he’s the one who genuinely keeps reaching out. and, like. he's kendall and shiv's partner and he’s their teammate but he's also their co-conspirator when they're working against the other and he’s their go-between and kendall and shiv will also unite to work against him and he's the main point of contact with connor and the one to stand up for him when kendall and shiv want to exclude him. he's the center point of those connections. he’s the heart. and if roman dies, and if he does so in a way where they'd likely not only blame themselves but each other as well (and especially because they did in some way contribute to roman’s declining mental health for their own professional benefit, which is kind of already happening), i can see that irrevocably splintering the family in a way that logan's death hasn't. and i feel like something as tragic as that is what the show'll end up doing. (especially if the business side of all their lives does actually end up going well. like, maybe they’ll all to varying degrees ‘win’ but at what cost and was it really worth it in the end?) (it wasn’t but now it’s too late to go back.)

#roman roy #succession #!txt: succession #succession spoilers #ish #this would also sort of round out the parallels between the siblings and logan/ewan/rose too #with roman being rose and how logan blamed himself for rose's death #(and likely kendall taking logan's role) #(esp given him sending roman that video which obvs did serious mental damage #and the everpresent sword of damocles that is roman in no way being ready to confront logan abusing him #yet kendall going behind his back to leak that info anyway #and how that sword just hasn't fallen. yet.) #plus there's the whole theme of the cycles of abuse repeating #except with rose #(or rather that cycle just likely reaching its inevitable ultimate conclusion: death) #which would probably end up fitting roman the most too #bc kendall has kids and the cycle can continue w him #and shiv has tom and possibly a baby on the way #so it can continue for her too #but roman is largely isolated beyond his family he doesn't have friends or a partner or kids #the cycle could end with him in the same way that it did for rose #and in the only way that'll probably happen on the show #'cause this is really not the 'break the cycle of abuse' show #it's the 'you're doomed to this ouroboros forever' show #(also like blah blah festen parallels someone's gotta be the linda)

[mermaidsirennikita]

one of many the fall of the house of usher v succession hot takes (of dubious validity):

people are for sure going to to say that Camille (wears high-waisted pants a lot, has a somewhat angular haircut, fails at her job, obnoxious but wounded, does PR, is white) is the Shiv parallel of the show, but I would argue that Victorine (desperate to prove her worth in a world that Does Not Care, thinks she's a lot better at being sneaky than she is, destroys her relationship with her partner while trying to validate her place in the family/company, APPEARS to have a special relationship with her father as a Daddy's Girl but is actually being manipulated and emotionally abused by him) is the much stronger Shiv parallel

#the fall of the house of usher #like i'm not saying there AREN'T camille and shiv parallels but i'm just waiting to see so many people acting like it's 1 to 1 #mostly bc kate and sarah are white women whose fanbases appear to overlap #when the entire tell-tale heart episode.... every time victorian and roderick interacted #i was getting horror!pinky vibes #and it made me SADS. #like basically the only kids who pulled at my heartstrings w roderick were like #victorian and then lenore #and like. i think his relationship w victorine was still largely entirely self-serving #(just like logan's w shiv!) #(camille evokes a similar vibe but victorine plays a similar ROLE and makes me sad in a similar way) #(also t'nia miller acted her motherfucking ass off and let us not walk around THAT)

[brookheimer]

reading the reviews of this episode and remembering that most people are fucking idiots with very very strange takes

#shiv being a quasi-femme fatale…. rome getting off on power…… #all of the commentary is so weird like . if you can’t see that the primary throughline for each character rn is their devastation at logan’ #death and terrible attempts to handle that grief then like…. idk what to tell you #ppl think roman is ENJOYING this. like are you joking that is a spiraling man if i’ve ever fucking seen one #kieran said exactly that in the after episode thing too — rome does not feel good. about any of this. it’s not a jacking off on the window #power moment it’s an oh god oh fuck i can’t do business my dad’s dead fuck you fuck uou FUCK #crazy seeing everyone on here being like ‘oh god things r looking so bad for rome he’s having a breakdown’ #then reading some articles that are all like Roman Delusional Power Fantasies High On Power etc #like this is not him getting high on power . we saw that in too much birthday (altho obvi there was much more goin on there too) #this is a clear fucking breakdown that he is fully aware he’s having at this point like just look at his convo w ken ab gerri #and the shiv takes…. well. that’s a whole other barrel of worms i won’t get into right now #succession #succession spoilers #casey shut the fuck up about roman roy #(in the tags lol)

[bitchthefuck1]

One of the things that stands out the most to me about succession on the rewatch is how many hugely significant plot points only happen because at some point someone was feeling petty.

#it reminds me of that jesse armstrong quote where he said the problem isn't that the kids are evil bc they're not they're just very flawed #the problem is that they have so much power that the impact of their shortcomings is amplified to a massive scale and can seriously #fuck up other people's lives #kendall backs mencken in the election to get back at shiv for teaming up w mattson behind his back #shiv only asks for more money in the gojo deal (which put logan on the plane) bc she's mad at logan for giving tom divorce advice #logan snapped at the waiter and got him kicked out (which then put him in kendall's path and ready to leave) bc he was mad at kendall for #the bear hug letter #caroline floated going w sandi and stewy to mess with logan which is why they re-open the divorce agreement #there are like a million of these. you can follow every major plot bit back and at the very start of 90% of them it's just one person doing #something out of spite bc they're pissed off #idk it's just really good narratively #succession #kendall roy #siobhan roy #shiv roy #roman roy #connor roy #logan roy #tom wambsgans

[romulussy]

i'm enjoying s4 overall but i do feel like the packed ten day timeline (give or take) is hurting it a little

#like it's good i feel like im getting punched in the face repeatedly #but i also think it might've benefited from doing like. s4 the kids v logan + logan death + election #then s5 mencken v matsson v roy boys v shiv the shiv etc. you know? #just bc they seem to have cut so much and background plots/characters do seem to have suffered for it #the central story is still strong though and maybe splitting it would've weakened the punch of the whole dead dad simulator thing #but i don't know. guess we'll see in a week #cause i also had doubts w s3 but all the bells say wrapped it up so well i was like oooo yeah this fucks

[tragedygf]

so many oldest siblings on this website … this is so clear to me in the way you guys talk about kendall

#im not saying either is wrong or right but i do find it funny that so many people’s first instinct is to immediately align w kendall in the #ceo competition. in terms of being like wow imagine working so hard for something only for your younger siblings to come in and ruin it #bc ive always been more aligned with shiv and roman on this bc i thought the show spent a lot of time delving into their jealousy of him an #the fact that he was offered opportunities they weren’t. like kendall was proclaimed heir when he was 7 and theres no way shiv and rome #didn’t hate him for it #and obviously a lot of time is spent on how kendall being the chosen and the focus of logan at all times made him subject to a particular #type of abuse #but i wish people would talk more about roman and shiv’s jealousy over him that is so much the childhood stomping your foot feeling of its #just nor fair #like its so interesting to me. shiv saying its not all about you in the finale and kendall saying i don’t think it is and shiv replying wit #so much spite and resentment that yes you do you fucking do. it did so much for me personally #succ

[kendallroygf]

Your Kendall post speaks volumes. I never knew how to articulate it properly but I always think (idk if it’s canon or not) His ex wife is Jewish, his best friend Iranian and his daughter, South Asian. But he’s aligning himself with parties like ATN etc. I don’t know, it’s a funny thing to me because wether or not the writers did this on purpose or not but the people he’s closest to (aside from his sibs) are as you said, from marginalised communities. Does he think the amount of wealth a person earns suddenly makes them immune to a system that wasn’t originally built for anyone aside for people like him. I wonder what his stance would’ve been on Mckenen if he were in the room when they were all deciding who should be president. It’s more personal for him, his daughter is quite literally apart of the community that Mckenen demonises. Not even just for Kendall but for Stewy & Marcia too. Like they can’t be seen opposing people like him because where does that put them? Just being poc in a cooperate world is threatening enough. This is me putting too much thought into it while also knowing the writers maybe didn’t when it comes to the Sophie/Marcia/Stewy and the role they have to put on.

hmm i don’t know how qualified i am to speak on this but in terms of ‘aligning himself with atn’ i truly think it’s never been an conscious choice for kendall to do that. like it came with the job. logan groomed kendall to one day be in charge of waystar and subsequently atn for however many years and i think a consequence of that is that kendall doesn’t really have any concrete ideologies/beliefs, much like roman. but similar to shiv (although her politics are way more clear) he has this abstract idea of ‘doing good things’ with waystar and wanting to be a ‘good person’ but this in itself kind of centres around logan . like his desire to ‘be good’ is just a desire to be good in comparison to his father (i’m a good person i’m better than you etc) but ultimately kendall (in s1 mostly) wanted to be the Good Guy but without much foresight on what that actually looks like and i think that’s where his relationships with stewy, rava and sophie come in i suppose. but i don’t think kendall intentionally created a relationship with stewy and rava or adopted sophie out of tokenism or anything. i simply think he connected to stewy and rava in some way mostly because they oppose logan and what he Represents very outwardly and consciously or unconsciously that’s what kendall was looking for. it stems from that patricidal drive + resentment kendall’s always had for logan but ultimately i think kendall is too self absorbed to think more deeply about what stewy or his daughter might face esp in terms of the toxicity of atn or what part kendall himself plays in it all. but i think i agree with you in the sense it seems kendall does think material wealth kind of shields you from having to deal with institutionalised racism + i played back that scene and kendall says wrt to atn and waystar he’s ‘trying to keep the world safe’ for his kids so i do think that he thinks that sophie was ultimately safe from all that and he probably assumes people like stewy and marcia are too. so with that in mind i don’t think he really counts his daughter as part of the many marginalised groups that mencken demonises even though sophie as we see isn’t exempt from facing racism. like at all. as for what kendall’s stance would be on mencken if he was in that room in ‘what it takes’ i could not say for sure but i think that itself goes back to kendall not having any concrete ideology or politics except on an entirely abstract level. like mencken’s a ‘nazi’ but ‘on a business level, they need to have a relationship’ so i think honestly his stance would be completely determined by his state of mind wrt to himself and his father. but no yeah i agree it’s probably extremely difficult for stewy, marcia and stewy who have all at one point been othered or treated as nrpi by the roys while still being closely connected to it all.

#idk kendall’s politics are just so esp hard to pinpoint bc yeah he’s sensitive to logan’s antisemitism and other forms of prejudice but #then a whole lot of his outward politics are performative and he can only really empathise with the marginalised if he can relate to himself #*relate it to himself #in some way like w the cruise victims in s3 . like when he hates his dad in s3 shiv and roman are ‘nazi lovers’ but in s4 he thinks it’s #imperative they have a relationship on a ‘business level’ so i genuinely think he’s like roman and sees all that #as Not Real and politics as pointless in a way but also he does acc give a shit abt ppl but kind of surface level. nd regards to stewy and #marcia it’s complex bc they kind of chose to align themselves with atn and waystar and the roys like while obv they do exp racism #stewy is also friends with mencken according to arian and marcia Married logan so it’s not like kendall’s belief that material wealth #divorces you from true marginalisation is coming from nothing bc ultimately the amount go wealth marcia and stewy have acquired means #*of wealth #they’ve stepped on the backs of many also marginalised ppl themselves bc that’s like. literally what capitalism is. #but also i am 17 and do not have enough time to read the books i want to read so my knowledge is quite bare. i wish i could talk more on the #politics aspect of this in a more meaningful way but alas #but yeah. thank u for sending this ask this was soo interesting to talk abt #p #succ. #kendall

[swaystar]

ok so the nero/sporus tale goes:

nero pushed his wife down the stairs

he castrated sporus

he married him + gave him a ring

he dressed sporus up in his dead wife’s clothes

so we know that 1 happened; if u wanted to be meta you could argue that 2 is tom getting bridget randomfuck kicked out of logan’s party/making greg tell logan about his “sex tape” (i will forever hc that tom totally fucking lied about the cameras but i digress)

since the versions of 1 + 2 that happened are metaphorical rather than literal, i think 3 + 4 would be too… and i wonder what they’d be

#tomgreg #meta #s4 tag #maybe he buys greg a pretty silk shirt and a ring #maybe he starts making love to him #maybe he starts showing up to events togeth- oh that’s already happening (logan’s wake) #other woman gregory hirsch >>>> #maybe they put their name on something together like a project or a house or something #some sorta public commitment #im gonna keep this in mind in case i need to write a fix it #i just think this concept is cool ESPECIALLY w shivs literal staircase fall in 4x4 #i hope they do more with it but if not i will

[lepidopteragirl]

how do you feel about tom soap. i want to know all of your thoughts i want to hear your succession meta

um. um. thes. my best friend thes my bestest friend in the whole wide world. i uh. well. um. to steal lucy's words this is. well this is like opening a can of worms if by which you mean a can of worms is actually a portal to hell. um. worlds shortest answer is that he made shivsad and well for that alone i think he should be killed with rocks.um

#this is. well this is like if someone asked u why you hate *!***t. there is so much and well i would have to spoil s3 for you #um. put a pin in it and we can come back to this. perhaps #longer more srs thoughts that i can give u w/out spoiling too much tho. i do think tom is a super interesting character #and so funny very funny character #but i also just do not like him partially for reasons some of which r valid and some of which are shivolo demons #and i cut him way less leeway w how he acts next to the roy siblings bc. he did not grow up one of logans children. you have no excuse budd #like. when those three exhibit Behaviors its very tragic i think. kendall roman shiv are desperate for power and cutthroat and nasty #in pursuit of their dads approval bc they were raised to do that. logan taught them to do that from childhood. its all they know #but like. tom isnt. he married shiv out of equal parts love for her. and love for her last name #and is willing to be just as nasty in pursuit of power but he just is like this. no reason #also i just find it supremely tragic that shiv married tom to distance herself from her father and tom married shiv to get closer to him #it kills me forever and i am a shivgirl until i die #SORRY this was perhaps not what you were looking for sorry sorry #ty for asking me about it tho i had fun FKDSA<3 #ty for the ask!!! <333

[shivsroycestbaby]

sorryyyyy for being so sexy and homestuck. but what if i said succession troll au these bitches are violet and fuschia bloods.

#like idk either succession as an alternia show abt highbloods #and/or trollstuck of them with god tiers and everything #i just think itd be funny if like. going by troll rules and all ofc trolls rnt direct families nd all #but logan as their ancestor and they all kind of have formed a club #conner.. and maybe roman... are violetbloods and conners fine w it roman not so much #shiv and ken are fuschia and insane <3

[yrwestillhere]

These official succ posters...

#the graphic designer had stock images of people in suits. head pngs and a dream #the shoulders are soooo offputting esp w kendall where are his slopes #roman doing the same fkass pose in 5 of them #them making connor seem so serious when hes just a little skrunkle #i have moar but oh well #ken looks like a scolded child in the last one #the one with him on the crane reminds me of that one movie with the two guys trying to get the baby off the thing idk i forgot the plot #shiv looks so baby sister here though... #also logan won he looks good 2bh

[chooey]

common kendall L

#THIS IS CRAZYYYY #loved the last episode actually #also rare roman W ????? #when he said youre bullshit we're all bullshit we're nothing like wow FINALLY????? #anyway i found watching the series kind of. insufferable 😭 #and like what the hell is this tomgreg endgame lmfao 😭 #whatever they have going on i dont wanna know anything ! dont care if it's pride month #roy kids are just a bunch of losers wbk !!!!!!!!!! #not saying logan roy is a good person or that i like him i dont like any of them but according to this show he was a good business man so ? #shivtom ok then!!!!!! shiv though still a nepo baby (semi capable???) i cant really find it in me to hate her #piss babiest award goes to kendall roy idc #ok real talk theres room.... a house for nuance here #ultimately this boils down to logan being a shitty dad to all of them and building a company that encourages toxic shit to fester #but even that piece of shit had his own demons #logan roy unforgivable unreedemable literally hell if it were a man #still... i liked that the last episode at least tried to show his good side (? lol 😭) the scene was the warmest a succession scene can go #also the scene of them acting like children. it was good. it reminded me of the boat scene in s1 at shiv's wedding (probably intentional) #if i could say which character i... didn't like necessarily but people i found interesting/captivating it would be... #kendall tbh... gerri shiv stewy caroline tom (he is SO weird and fucked up) greg??? frank? roman i was on the fence Always #it's bad that in his mind he's the middle child bc im the middle child 😭 I don't identify with this i don't claim it i don't approve of it #........but sometimes........ yeah #logan was right about one thing and that they are just unserious people lmfao 😭 nice parting words huh #unblocking the tag now!!!!!!! wow finally i can see what people were thought of this show/the characters #maybe my view is more cynical and too vanilla i'm sorry i just cant excuse the heinous shit these people did hence i don't have a favorite #it's just a fictional show (!!!!!!) well ok but i just didn't love them as characters!!!!!!! 😭 #succession #izza💭

[old-knightsvow]

im literally baffled like i still cant believe it. if it was set like somewhere in s2 it would be a huge MAYBE but i could see it i guess. bc shiv certainly was going thru something with the successor title dangling in front of her face. but i think its genuinely vile to think that post-tuscany shiv would 1) side with logan and 2) publicly out roman like Jesus Christ. maybe im biased i dont know but God

#txt #WHAT THE FUCK!!!!!!!! #and the fic was trying so hard to make roman bond w kendall and connor too #while trying to pretend shiv was like. romans evil twin that is just a clone of logan. im going tovbe sick

[bitchthefuck1]

Honestly the only argument I have against Shiv and Roman twin truthers is that neither of them ever made a joke about eating the other in the womb.

#like other than that...i see it #it would also work so well with roman being the runt of the litter like he was literally the smaller twin #he was still born first tho #idk man it just fits so well #and like. the way that logan treats the two of them gets even more intense w this #it just works #succession #shiv roy #roman roy

[supermarketcrush]

need someone to redraw the gone girl poster with shiv and tom

#frankly im obsessed..........tom cheating on shiv w gr*g post s4 so she stages a gone girl...... #and of course tom tries to keep it down but the media finds out and a huge fiasco ensues #where could shiv go though. because her classist ass is NOT staying in a motel lol #would she stay at ken's or roman's? no but i like to think her brothers would be fucking outraged at tom because they hate his ass lol #maybe she would go to lukas' place and he would play along because he is like that. and shiv kills him during sex #calls tom from his apartment to come 'save' her but all tom sees is shiv covered in lukas' blood #your logan died so you found a logan replacement but he died too so now what big boy......... #tom returns with shiv and they hold a press release of course. lukas mattson was a monster and approved so and so white collar crimes #but all is well now plus we're expecting a baby roy! :) #tom's here to make a better waystar royco for america. for shiv and for his baby #and they live happily ever after #just reread the last few pages of gone girl i think i really need this fic and i might just write it myself #🫀

[shehungthemoon]

I hope Shiv crashes and burns so hard. Wtf girlie. How are you so cavalier about betrayal and then SO high up on your horse when you’re under fire!!!

#ok crashed and burns is harsh. but like. even w those pregnancy hormones. QUEEN WHY ARE YOU SO HAPPY AND VINDICTIVE ABOUT BETRAYING.. #..YOUR BROTHERS’ SUPPORT???? #sorry she’s just like logan she’s nothing like logan it’s all so so bad #and. roman. you REALLY have me officially against u for loving an actual NAZI nazi #he was ANNOYING #Kendall stay winning as my grounded fav forever #succession #shiv roy