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It is obvious you don't have kids. An adult in their 30's stranger talking to your child instead of calling the actual authorities when your child is most vulnerable. You don't even understand why it is wrong and how wrong it is for a complete stranger online to do this because you are in the cult yourself. People like you disgust me. You defend predators like Marte. Is "Marte" his or hers real name? Any normal person would call the authorities but not "talk" with an underage minor for hours online to stop them from commiting suicide over a white very rich popstars fantasy sexuality. When that popstar said he is straight. 

I haven’t the faintest what you are talking about but let me tell you this: I have a twelve year old. Hasty generalisations galore here

#anons #antis #logical fallacies #logic #rhetoric #I don’t remember my old tag for this #but thanks this course is getting better and better #1234antisoutthedoor

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You can't have an ambigous position. You either say that you believe that Freddie is Louis son as a fact or Louis loves and is obsessed with a child who has living breathing parents who are "renting" out their child to a popstar to use and exploit for his closet like all big larrie blogs keep saying. Can you state it once and for all because in this case it is either you think Freddie is his son or you think Louis is exploiting a child? If you refuse then I assume you believe same big larries.

Thanks for this excellent demonstration of a false dilemma anon.

#anons #logical fallacies #I should teach a logic Classe on fallacies made up only by anti arguments #such fun #I mean it #anyone who's interested #I take signups via askbox #lol #having a field day here #antis #1234antisoutthedoor

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Seems some of you still cant seem to grasp the fact that Harry and Louis were joking half the time or so back then years ago….. have yall never had friends you did stuff like that with?? I did. Maybe? There was a little something in the beginning like a crush but whatever was there is GONE now. Louis literally just larrybaits yall and you fall for it. Congrats. Louis has a literal child that looks like him with a woman he knocked up who isnt Harry btw. Move the fuck on and stop being so invested in these peoples personal lives and just fucking focus in the artist and music bc thats what you’re supposed to be a fan off. Freaks. 🫶🏼

I never had a friend I got complementary couple tattoos with no; Nor did I ever have a friend whom I caressed when I didn't think others could see. I once did that with a friend I was secretly in love with though. And THANK YOU YES there WAS "a little something in the beginning like a crush", that was literally ALL I was saying. My whole argument was that it wasn't the fucking fans who started this it was THEM" - with their crush-y behaviour!

So yeah thanks for agreeing on that - it was literally all I was trying to say.

Don't get why you are so pressed for people to move on from there, who the fuck cares what other people think or what keeps them in this fandom, I really don't understand why you feel you need to try and control that by calling people names....

#anons #antis #1234antisoutthedoor

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What I’ve never understood about the whole “Zarry” relationship theory is why would they use a gay relationship (Larry) to cover up another gay relationship? That makes zero sense. So in this theory, it’s OK for the fans to think Louis and Harry were/are together as long as they don’t think Harry and Zayn were/are together? Where is the logic there?

Thank you anon. Very clearly a weak point in the logic. The whole thing made me laugh so hard I got a bit lazy about the logic but you’re right it’s so nonsensical.

That said, Gryles was also a gay cover-up relationship but it was part of. A number of different distractions together with all the other distractions from the truth, so it’s not completely out there.

Also the question is what was allowed to be seen and what wasn’t. Gryles were paraded around just like Haylor and there was some Zarry on stage as well (I recall an episode with a candy string) but Louis and Harry avoided talking to each other, they avoided sitting next to eachother, and another distraction story was that they’d broken up.

The whole point was that you wouldn’t know what was what. Which makes sense - Larry becomes one rumour amongst many instead of the one consistent big one.

Replacing on gay rumour with another… 1 for 1 , not so much

#zarry #1234antisoutthedoor

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It’s funny how you brought up Nick Grimshaw because on his show he had a interview with Harry and had some of Harry’s triggers and one of the triggers was Zayn in a black leather jacket without a shirt on, I wonder why Louis wasn’t a trigger? Zayns resent promotion pictures he is wearing a cardigan with a similar mermaid like Harry’s and the same moon tattoo as one in pleasing, Zayn and Harry had the real relationship Larry was used for covering it up that’s the reason Louis is coming clean about all the Larry conspiracy stuff he has no choice

You are seriously so very funny…

#what is the tag for Harry and Zayn #zarry #was it? #1234antisoutthedoor

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harry & louis have clearly broken up and it's time to accept that, my guess is 2014, early 2015 & they kept the larry shit up until 2016 (the coded messages or whatever) to keep us from being disappointed by it but now it's time to just let it go, they clearly don't want us in fandom and have made that clear time and time again, and it's not good or healthy for lgbtq+ people to stan people who clearly dislike them (both have shown signs they dislike larries, harry recently with his actions ie. taking known larrie things and using them in different contexts like giving his blue bandana to his friend, saying songs we associate with larry is about gemma, etc. and louis with another denial, it's obvious they've been showing contempt for us), it's healthy for all of us lgbtq+ people to just let them go and find other celebrities to focus on, it's torture to stan someone closeted when you're lgbtq+, it's not good for our mental health, even you are stressed and struggling with it so larries need to stop encouraging people to become part of us and just leave for our own good and the good of our mental wellbeing, harry and louis are evil villain gays and have made their beds, now they need to lie in them, we supported them, we created a safe space (despite interviewers and media and others claiming it was harry lol no honey that was all us), we made (most) of the fandom lgbtq+ friendly (you can hear that by the cheers and screams harry gets when he says "we're all a little bit gay" and does gay shit on stage etc) yet they still haven't or won't come out despite all we have done to prove it's safe and welcome for them to do so, whatever we have done is not enough and it never will be so we need to put ourselves first and stop investing our time, energy and money into them.

That’s one way of explaining things for yourself but I’m not sure if it’s the only way or the best way.

There’s definitely been references to a relationship between Louis and Harry since 2016 and in the years after that I actually did have the impression the support was much wanted. There has since been a shift, for sure, but it’s really up to every individual LGBTQ person in this fandom to decide how they want to deal with that.

To be honest, I’ve been receiving anons trying to stop me from “queerbaiting LGBTQ fans into a hostile environment” since long before 2016. But that was and still is a complete misunderstanding of the situation (and of what queer baiting is for that matter). No one lured in the LGBTQ fans. They were already here.

And the safe space that we’ve created, together with Harry, and with Louis - because I think their seemingly positive reactions certainly helped - that’s something I believe we did for those LGBTQ fans first and foremost. It was a positive and constructive outlet for all the frustrations which made the space safer for us.

And yes, we did “our part”, we did so much. If they haven’t come out it doesn’t mean we didn’t do enough. That’s not how coming out works, at all. Creating a safe space doesn’t create any obligation for any queer person to anything.

“Every queer person has the right to come out on their own terms and on their own timeline. They also have the right to choose not to come out at all.”

I repeat: if they haven’t come out,it doesn’t mean we didn’t do enough.

We know that we did, we know we did the right thing, and we know we did all we could.

If the “results” are disappointing compared to the expectations that may have (inadvertently) been created then that is sad, but I don’t believe it deserves anger.

What is more, i really think what we did made a big difference, for so many people in the fandom and, I believe, also for them. Harry picks up flags night after night. Louis’ shows has rainbow lights.

I honestly think that the rainbows in the fandom gave them a means to express themselves in a way that feels comfortable to them without having to say the words and if that is the case then I really think that is valuable.

But again - it was never just about them - it was always for queer fans first and foremost and those queer fans have become so much more visible and so much more comfortable in this fandom. And I think that is really valuable too.

Also I don’t agree that rainbows mean “it’s safe to come out”. It is safer. It never is completely safe. That’s societal homophobia for you. People have many reasons not to come out.

So I think every LGBTQ person in this fandom should make an assessment for themselves: does being here make me happy or not .

If it doesn’t, then by all means, draw your line in the sand.

#harry styles #louis tomlinson #1234antisoutthedoor

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How can you be pro Palestine and anything other then anti Harry? Hes made it clear what his stance is

You mean he has Jewish friends and has shown interest in Judaism? I don't equate that to being pro Israel in the current situation.

#1234antisoutthedoor #false dichotomy

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Louis's brand is as a grotesquely meretricious, blandly “nice,” calculatedly polled and market-driven, amoral, nonsense-filled, celebrity-endorsed, Tory-loving, poor/fat-people-hating, crassly publicity-seeking mannequin.

tory loving poor people hating? have you been paying any attention at all???!!!

#anons #antis #1234antisoutthedoor #strawman

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Remowhen Louis wore a rainbow shirt when there was no Rainbow Direction representation???? Yet you cum every time you see Harry, the het womanize. You are a failure! An absolute force that hates gay by promoting capitalist freaks.

Hello anon, I would recommend you sit down, take a deep breath and drink a glass of water. You sound angry. And frustrated.

Also I'm not understanding the train of your argument but I'll try to respond to what I did catch.

Yes, I do remember when Louis wore a rainbow shirt.

I am afraid you are wrong to believe that the mere sight of Harry could bring me to the point of orgasm.

Most people, including myself, would not consider me or my life a failure - stable long term relationship, a family, good job, house owner, tight circle of long term close friends, all considered signs of the opposite of failure by most.

I wish I were an absolute force - I usually use those terms as a compliment.

Phew, if I hated gay I don't think I'd have watched RWRB so many times over the summer.

The music industry is a cesspool of capitalism though, this much is true. I'll give you that

#anons #antis #1234antisoutthedoor

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Thank you. I appreciate you listing all the gay stereotypes that you used to brand Louis and Harry as gay and how you betrayed your upbringing and lack of interaction and observation of how teenage boys interact to form your homophobic sterotypes. So when Zayn, Liam, Niall, Nick and others acted the exact same with Harry and Louis and each other, when Oli lives with Louis - you dismiss all of it because they don't fit the twink Louis (girl) & sensitive hunk macho (Harry) stereotypes right?

Hello strawman argument. You didn't read my post anon. You just made up an argument that you wish I were making because it would be so easy to take down. But you didn't manage to pinpoint where the homophobic stereotypes in my argument were... perhaps because I'm only listing things that Louis and Harry actually said and did. And that Louis and Oli never said nor did.

#show me the video where Louis caresses Oli in this way #I mean it #i wanna see it #anons #antis #1234antisoutthedoor

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He was joking when he said his first crush was Louis. Your first crush happens way earlier than 16 and we know Harry had had gfs at school. Childless middle aged American women like you don't have a clue about how British teenage boys converse and wind each other up.

Oh god, help me, after ten years a post of mine gets some reblog and lo and behold, my inbox once again fills up with logical fallacies. My fingers are seriously itching. Straw-man, hasty generalization, ad hominem. Google that shit, anon. You're not disproving anything just coming across as very desperate, I'm really sorry.

Also I'm neither childless nor American - not that there's anything wrong with being either of those. But for the record. 1

#I'm probably more British than you #geez #anons #antis #1234antisoutthedoor

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"but the least you could do is show us respect.". How much respect does Louis owe you when larries harrased his dying mother for loving her first grandchild? How much respect do you deserve when the twins and Fizzy asked you not to bring their dead mother into you conspiracy theory? They said Jay had to delete Freddie's pictures because she was not there to delete those nasty comments under her posts to defend her grandchild? Ignore this ask, don't answer it and both me and Louis will know exactly how much respect do larries like you deserve. Marketing does demand that Louis "loves all his fans" and caters to all his fans but would you? If you were Louis? After everything those fans did to his mother and sister? To his family? He isn't as good as Harry at controlling his feelings and playing along for his job. Isnt as professional. As detached. Louis does have a mouth on him and a temper. No marketing can force him to love people who hurt his loved ones. Dead loves ones. 

I seriously don't know where to begin with analyzing the bad arguments in this one...

Shall I start with the strawman argument? "but the least you could do is show us respect" is not referring to anything I remember to have said on this blog recently - you're hastily generalizing from one perceived Larrie to all perceived Larries and just copy pasting this into any mailboxes that are not tired of your whining and still open. Not worthy of my time answering.

But perhaps you foresaw this, so you put in the manipulative "Ignore this ask, don't answer it and both me and Louis will know exactly how much respect do Larries like you deserve." This, ladies gents and non binary folks reading this blog, is an interesting combination of the manipulative argument from fear (trying to scare me into publishing with the argument that Louis otherwise will have no respect for me, but that doesn't make anything of what the anon says more valid) - and an argument from silence ("if you say nothing, it will mean I am right" - but again, silence means silence, it doesn't say anything about who is right or wrong).

A lot of generalizations and appeals to emotion here in the parts of the argument that could potentially have some merit. Again appeals to emotion are not good arguments. But, stripping those away, your argument seems to go something like :

"Anyone who believes that Louis and Harry are/were in a relationship deserves no respect because some people who believed that Louis and Harry were in a relationship were disrespectful towards Louis' family members (at a particular difficult time in their lives)." While there is some merit in the underlying assumption that respect is something that needs to be earned and implies some reciprocity, that's still a fallacy of composition or a hasty generalization, you assume that anything that's true of some people who believed that Louis and Harry were in a relationship, is true of all people that believe that Louise and Harry are/were in a relationship.

What's really interesting though, and the reason why, despite my great distaste for manipulations like yours ("if you don't answer this will mean I'm right" is one of those that usually gets an automatic delete from me) , I decided to answer this ask, is this:

In one part of your argument, you say that Jay felt she had to delete pictures of Freddie because she could not defend her grandson after her death. And you spend quite a bit of words on emphasizing that this hurts Louis' dead loved ones.

And in another part of your argument, you say the following things about Louis himself: "He isn't good at controlling his feelings and playing along for his job. He isn't as professional. He has a mouth on him. He has a temper."

So (some) Larries are bad, because they hurt Louis' loved ones by suggesting Freddie might not really be his son, but a means to hide that he is gay. This would have massively hurt his dead mother.

But you can call him unprofessional and say he has a mouth on him and is ill-tempered, and this wouldn't hurt Louis? Or his dead mother?

Double standards much?

#just admit you hate Louis #and think Harry is better #and want him for yourself #and Louis being Harry's boyfriend kinda gets in the way of that doesn't it? #1234antisoutthedoor #logical fallacies #bad logic #rhetoric #logic #logic and rhetoric #I just don't know my tags anymore so I'm using them all #this one is so flawed #and so ridiculous #I just sense so much aggression and pent up feelings behind it #that it concerns me sometimes #I'm sorry that Louis and Harry potentially being queer and in a relationship threatens you so much #it shouldn't #it really doesn't affect your life in any way #grow up

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The fact that most of your insane Louis hating anons equate the presence of rainbow flags (brought by fans and encouraged by Louis and team) and rainbow lights (the ones that Louis puts up every single night on his tour or the ones that fans hold up during projects) to larries and larry speaks volumes about why everyone thinks we’re a cult. There are plenty of antis and solos in Louis’ fandom who are part of the queer community. It’s completely egomaniacal to think that every time Louis shows support and encouragement for the queer community (which he does A LOT) it’s directed at larries only. The world, contrary to what these misinformed immature stans believe, does NOT revolve around them.

Eh. Anon. Not completely sure if this is deliberate (I like to assume the best of people) but I am strongly getting the impression you’re using some strong wording for my “Louis hating anons” to lure me into agreeing with you only to turn the argument around against Larries at the end there. And while I’d never call myself a Larrie, other would, and I don’t have anything against them as a group. So you’re not getting any nods from me here. I’ll tell you why just in case you inadvertently argued against yourself.

First, while I don’t understand how anyone could hate someone who is so adorable, I do entertain the possibility that Louis may push certain people’s buttons leading to people I’d otherwise consider normal feeling hate for him. I’d definitely recommend those people to do some soul searching as to which buttons of the subconscious Louis might have pushed, I’m sure they’d learn from it (I certainly did - in the beginning I always said he’d have been the kid in my high school class I’d loved to hate and hate to love - he doesn’t leave you indifferent - and actually that’s what’s so great about him). But I wouldn’t call them insane. It’s an argument as hominem. A bad one in other words. You can argue against people without slamming them. Let’s stay civil.

I agree there are queer people of all convictions in this fandom, and most certainly, speaking for myself as one of the founders of Rainbow Direction, the rainbows are meant for all of them. As to Louis I’m pretty sure from his side he’s grateful to all and his rainbows are meant for all too. On those points we agree.

But I’m not clear on where you mean to go from there.

Who is “completely egomaniacal” to think every time Louis’ support is directed at Larries? Who is equating rainbow support with Larries? Your wording “completely egomaniacal” and then later saying “the world does not revolve around them” suggests to me, that you’re arguing it’s Larries themselves who think everything is about them.

But then earlier you seemed to suggest you are a Larry and you hate that Louis hating anons make Larries out to be a cult? How does that make sense then? You don’t seem to know from which side you want to argue this point…. That, or you're deliberately making and If-by-whiskey argument, also known as an informal fallacy or equivocation. You're presenting two different positions as if they are part of the same argument. And they are not.

Either way, I’d like to remind my followers of where this equating the rainbows with “the insane Larry cult” started: Liam’s interview in Attitude. It was a deliberate attempt by 1D's management at delegitimizing the rainbow support, and discouraging fans from taking part in it. So there was nothing egomaniacal about it. A wrongful attribution on your part.

So, anon, in short: my opinion is that there’s definitely some fans who are not of sound mind, a few who behave like they’re in a cult, a few who are egotistical and the think the world revolves around them. But I am super sensitive to hasty generalisations about any group of fans. Not about LGBTQ fans, not about fans who believe Louis and/or Harry could identify as queer, not even about fans whose buttons are pushed by Louis. Hasty generalisations and ad hominem arguments push MY buttons. Hard.

So I am going to encourage you to think about what you really wanted to argue.

Thanks.

#anons #Louis hating anons #1234antisoutthedoor #rainbow direction #louis tomlinson #harry styles #Louis and rainbows #Louis LGBTQ support #logic #rhetoric #bad logic #If by whiskey

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I saw your answer for Larry, no it wasn’t you who made them do scripted scenes to make 1D more popular, it wasn’t you who made them hide the real relationship between Harry and Zayn that can be seen in real video footage, it wasn’t you who made the song sunflower volume 6 which Zayn has those exact tattoos, it wasn’t you who filmed Harry kissing the matching tattoo that he has with Zayn and Zayn acknowledging it, no it wasn’t you who Harry wrote about having brown skin, Larry was never real y’all always lie and say management kept them apart the truth is they made them be next to each other the ones that had to be separated was Zayn and Harry all of this can be seen in actual video footage not the Larry edited version. How many times will Louis have to tell y’all about the conspiracy not being real?

Ehm. I don’t know what to say. Harry and Zayn huh? This is new. Reminds me a bit of the time we heard that their management spread different rumours (they were together but they’ve broken up, Harry is with Nick Grimshaw, they just hook up it’s not serious, they are straight, Louis’ straight and engaged and Harry is just incredibly promiscuous and does Ben Winston and his wife, and all that shit). Some people thought even Ziam was a setup to distract attention from Louis and Harry. Who knows? But Harry and Zayn. Oh well. Whatever floats your boat.

#Harry and Zayn #1234antisoutthedoor #gryles #zarry

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Sorry, the ask was for seasurface. Do you love that your rethoric about Azoffs is the same as Putin's about the shadowy world government that rules everything from behind the curtain?

Hasty generalisation baby, I don’t make arguments about the Azoffs. I wasn’t aware that Putin talked about a shadowy world government - I thought that was this qanon bullshit. Which of course Putin loves because it divides the West and puts idiots in charge. I doubt he cares about two boybanders in love though.

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The Damage you are doing with Bi erasure is enormous. You are clearly a self hatred, LGBT member. Harry is literally out there fucking his Director and destroying her family and that’s acceptable but you can’t handle Louis saying stop the Larrie bullshit in 2023. Their relationship ended, and Harry made it his goal in life to destroy Louis. Sadly, for all you Harry fans, Louis is succeeding beyond all expectations.

Dude, you are so barking up the wrong tree. I am HAPPY for Louis' success. And you may not remember it but once upon a time I was the prime bi+ spokesperson in this fandom - no tolerance for bi+ erasure from me.

If you read my post again more carefully, after having calmed down a bit, you will notice I didn't use any labels for either of them, and I also didn't make any assumptions as to the current status of their relationship. All of the things I brought up were from years ago - and only to make the point that it wasn't fans who started all this Larrie shit.

From what I understand, you should be able to agree with that as you think they were in a relationship.

Which makes your post, again, a strawman argument. You are reacting to an argument I did not at all make. I didn't say that I think they are still together. I am as puzzled as you are by the mixed signals we are getting.

Your way of making sense of that seems to be that you tell yourself the story that Harry and Louis broke up, that Harry then started a relationship with a married woman ten years his senior with two kids, and that Harry wants to destroy Louis for some reason. I think you're setting up a false enemy for yourself there but happy to agree to disagree. I choose to tell myself a different story, but bottom line, I can't make sense of it either.

#anons #antis #1234antisoutthedoor