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hrokkall · 4 months
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Everybody wants your head on a platter
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raptorrobot · 3 months
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I had a dream where i saw some of your art and I have no idea of this piece actually exists or if I imagined it but it was like. Sisyphus prime minos prime and Gabriel sitting at a bar together and then there was a big gap and then icarus prime was sitting there too except he was sitting separately from.the others but Gabriel had his head resting on his hands propped up on his elbows and gazing at icarus like.some lovesick schoolgirl while sis and min looked on disgustedly. Icarus was like. Lounging on his barstool somehow too it was super gay
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i immediately dropped fucking everything i was doing to draw this
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I'm probably going to do a terrible job of articulating myself here but every time I think about the worldbuilding in Hatoful Boyfriend, I think about the implications of having the birds simply have adopted the structure and policies of human society and go insane.
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It's clearly originally just for the ridiculousness of it all for the players, but AGH it explains so much regarding the extremely rampant classism/racism/speciesism and how apparently normalized it is. It also, to me, adds a bit of moral nuance to the Dove - Hawk Party conflict.
(Long post under the cut. I'm so sorry I just kept going.)
First off, I'm obsessed with the concept of the birds becoming sapient and simply... taking over a society that was not structured for them. It leads to difficulties in universe! Bird wings are not made for doing tasks that human hands can do naturally - there's a couple instances where the characters ask for Hiyoko's assistance or express envy since she can just do the task more easily than they can. The birds are outright disadvantaged in certain areas of life, and yet, the society is in such turmoil due to the newness of it all that there still aren't really any workarounds for stuff like this.
Not that there haven't been any suggested solutions, such as the Labor 9 series, put forward initially by the Dove Party. Yeah, you know, that one throwaway line about how the party that up until this point have been the "good guys" wanted to take still semi-conscious human brains and make robotic slaves out of them Cyberman-style? What the hell. And what gets me is that Shuu was able to find the initial proposal, which he really only made tweaks to, which means that the project was at least close to being finished on the conceptual/planning/design phase before somebody went "hey this is a little fucked up actually".
The Dove Party wants peaceful coexistence with the humans, while the Hawk Party wants to eliminate humanity entirely. But we don't really go into how these two lines of thought evolved. I believe I have a suggestion for at least one part of the puzzle though.
Of all the birds in Hatoful, who enjoys the most privileges and the highest status? Fantails, it would seem. A breed of pigeon that is popular as a pet, considered beautiful and sought after, and achieve high accolades in shows and competitions - for clarity's sake, fantails were valuable in human society, and this status appears to have transferred when birds became sapient and took over. Conversely, which birds are ranked lower and often blocked from entering certain higher class places? Rock doves, who, in human society, are given an unfairly bad reputation, and considered anything from unclean and dirty, to nuisances, to pests. Again, this status transferred over when the birds took over.
So, while we don't know too many of the birds who make up the agents of the Dove and Hawk Party, let's take a look at who we do know of.
Fantails (Yuuya, Dove Party) are considered valuable over other doves and pigeons for being specially bred for their striking tail feathers
Cockatiels (Leone, Dove Party) are some of the most popular and beloved companion birds, kept as pets and considered very friendly
Rock doves (Ryuuji, Hawk Party) are considered unclean pests who receive a bad reputation, and are generally not treated with respect or appreciation <;- notable thing to mention here is that Ryuuji actually does like humans - I think he was only Hawk affiliated for the grant money and research facilities, which... fair enough man.
Chukar partridges (Shuu/Isa, Hawk Party) are game birds, specifically bred and released to be killed and eaten, and considered a delicacy
...do you... see what's going on here?
(I haven't mentioned Tohri as he's a special case. Give me a minute and I'll get to him!)
The birds we see in the Dove Party are those birds that were already viewed in a more favourable light by humans, a favourability that transferred over to their new society. Of course they are more likely to advocate for coexistence! They have less to lose, overall. And the Labor 9 series, and how that could've ever been suggested in the first place, suddenly makes a lot of sense. For many of these birds, society the way it exists now benefits them. Some of these high ranking Dove Party folks may be less about actual peace and justice (like Yuuya or Leone) and more about maintaining the current order of things - humans coexisting under their control, while they get to maintain their status... which is itself a product of human invention.
The birds we see in the Hawk Party, by contrast, are looked down on or hunted. Historically, even before bird sapience, they did not have a harmonious relation with humans - and it's likely this status carried over to their new society also, with many of these birds being more likely to have been disenfranchised. Their goal of elimination is therefore reactionary towards perceived threat. After all, the people who suffer when things go wrong aren't the ones at the top - it's all the people who sit at the bottom of the social rung; the vulnerable members of society who do not enjoy the same advantages as others.
Of course, the Hawk Party has built itself up into such a powerful group that they may have lost touch with this starting foundation - the only thing that remains is likely that reactionary fear. After all, people caught up in the actual conflict - Nageki, Hitori, Ryouta, and Hiyoko - see this kind of horrible bloodshed firsthand (firstwing?) and just want it to stop.
Again, it's not usually the people in these political factions who are the ones caught up in their conflict. It's the individuals who lack power or influence.
But that's just the political groups themselves. On an individual level, it's kind of interesting to look at and theorize where along the spectrum our core cast falls based on their species/breed.
Ryouta (rock dove) is actually rather indifferent towards humanity as a whole - he just likes Hiyoko. However, his witnessing of the Heartful House tragedy led him to abhor violence and unnecessary loss of life, and I'd imagine his mother's later illness solidified this. Ryouta doesn't seem overly interested in political struggles or the broader implications of a lot of things - he's actually a rather self-oriented character when it comes down to it (this is not a judgment, nor a bad thing! I love my boy!). Ryouta just doesn't want to lose people, really. A conflict would mean more loss, and rock doves seem to have to struggle enough as is.
Hiyoko (human) is the daughter of two diplomats, but interestingly, we don't get to see much of her political views on things - perhaps because even if she expressed them, it wouldn't really matter - she's not herself a diplomat, and humans are the lowest of the low - her going to a fancy school doesn't really change that. Social-wise, except with her friends, she is tolerated, not accepted. Yet, it's safe to say that Hiyoko strongly disapproves of people who flaunt their status - she's quick to not take crap from Sakuya, to get angry on behalf of Ryouta and herself over the gull clerk's assholery, and also to defend Miru and Kaku as living beings worthy of respect. Interestingly though, she also uses Okosan's status as a fantail to get Ryouta to let go of him and let him do whatever he wants so... it's kind of unclear what her firm beliefs are. Perhaps, as a human, she still values fantails more highly. I don't know honestly. Implicit bias?
Sakuya, Yuuya and Okosan (fantail pigeons) may share the same breed, but their experiences are highly different. Sakuya is largely separate from the human-bird conflict, as he is unlikely to be directly affected by it. As such, a lot of his story and development has to do with actually learning and un-learning about the world outside of the limitations of his "father's" classist views, which he simply mimics without understanding the larger implications. Yuuya and Okosan, on the other hand, may be fantails, but are also looked down on and often treated as inferior - Yuuya for being a "half-breed" and for his reputation, and Okosan for being closer to feral than a lot of other doves. Interestingly, these two show more interest and respect for the individual than Sakuya does, who often makes sweeping generalizations based on status - which makes sense to a degree, as they've been on the receiving end of this kind of treatment, whereas Sakuya hasn't. Okosan believes that each person has their own "wonderful names" (read: identity outside of breed or status), while Yuuya is a genuine fighter for justice who is able to get to the heart of people, especially in Holiday Star. However, even though they have experienced classism, they still have certain privileges with regards to species/race - take Okosan's shock when Hiyoko and Ryouta are barred entry from his favourite store. None of them are quite as out of place in everyday society as some of the other birds here, and it's notable that "diverse" St. Pigeonations still apparently has a significant fantail student population.
Shuu (chukar partridge) is really interesting, as he doesn't particularly care for the politics of the Hawk Party, and yet his role as a killer/hunter of both his fellow birds and humans is an interesting reversal of the chukar being a game bird. Shuu also has a disability (his semi-paralyzed right side) which hinders him in bird society even more than most. His extreme, yet coldly logical solution to kill all humans to stop the fighting between them, could be as much his rationality, as his joy in the sadistic, as a reactionary survivalism (remember he was caught up in a human terrorist attack as a child - while overall he considered this beneficial to him, he also did lose much of his colour vision and the use of his right side, so it did leave him weakened). Shuu attains control by "flipping the script" as it were.
Tohri (golden pheasant) starts out in the Hawk Party, but much like his colleagues, doesn't seem to care much for their politics. Golden pheasants are game birds whose eggs can be eaten, but are more often bred and kept for their plumage - they're not prey, but they're not exactly pets either. All this puts Tohri in this interesting position of being somewhat in the middle of this conflict, and indeed he goes on to be a part of (found?) the Crow Party - an opportunistic group that seeks to benefit from the overall conflict. Golden pheasants are birds intended to be admired for their beauty and intelligence more than anything else, benefitting in some ways from humans without a strong connection or a reliance, and Tohri's opportunism fits nicely with that. (As an aside, our sole crow character, Albert, is also something of an opportunist, being an assassin on the fringes of society.)
Hitori and Kazuaki (button quails) are somewhat interesting. It would be both expected and understandable if Hitori held hatred for humanity after the Heartful House incident, or even before then, considering they were all war orphans. Instead, he doesn't seem to harbour any particular ill-will - he seems totally fine around Hiyoko, and her being a human has nothing to do with his reticence with letting Nageki hang out with her in the shrine universe. Kazuaki, too, doesn't seem to mind Hiyoko being human and isn't afraid of her any more than he is anyone else. While quails are game birds, with both meat and eggs being eaten, button quails are too tiny for that and are mostly kept as pets - they are considered cute, silly, and entertaining, though a bit too jumpy to be outright companion birds. The quails don't seem to experience too much in the way of speciesism (except arguably with the whole mistaken identity of Kazuaki's corpse... there may be a bit of an "all quails look the same" thing going on perhaps). At the very least, they are able to occupy teaching positions at a renowned school as respected intellectuals, and did go to university. Still, it's kind of a known thing that you don't put button quails with bigger, more dominant birds, since larger birds will often pick on them or even outright try to kill them simply because they're small and shy - this may, in hindsight, explain some of Kazuaki's demeanour.
Nageki (mourning dove) and Anghel (luzon bleeding heart dove) are the two who are uncommon bird species in Japan. Nageki is another war orphan, who would be forgiven for harbouring resentment for humanity, but instead is appalled at the violence and made a huge sacrifice to get it to stop. It's kind of unclear how Nageki fits into this society, as mourning doves are not prey or pets - they're wild birds. They live on the outside of the human world, and while Nageki exists within current bird society, he likely doesn't have a designated status within it. Nageki is unfortunately also alienated from much of the action due to his illness and later his untimely death - this is why a lot of Nageki's thoughts are somewhat from an observer's perspective, with his most emotional moments being derived from his rare direct experiences - specifically the Heartful House tragedy and the human killings he was forced into, which solidified a really firm stance of not wanting anyone to suffer like that. Anghel is another outsider, this time genuinely a foreigner, as opposed to Nageki. Again, Luzons are wild birds, not prey or pets, and so it's a bit unclear what his status is. This might explain why Hiyoko repeats Sakuya's remarks towards him without apparently realizing they're actually insults - Anghel is removed enough from the conflict she is familiar with that it seems she doesn't quite... get it. Again, Anghel's role is as this strange kind of omniscient observer, whose perspective is closer to the player's than to the rest of the cast. He definitely frowns on the Hawk Party's overall goal - the Demon Spores are evil to him, and his main objective is to stop them from spreading, as they would cause damage to both birds and humans. I attribute his morals to his mother having raised him right lol. The lack of a clear status for both of them may be why they appear to take the stance of judgment based on individual actions, but are not heavily involved in the conflict itself - while humans tend to like mourning doves and luzons, there isn't much interaction that goes on between them. Nageki and Anghel are simply less embroiled in bird society's human-derived status conflict, which makes them both outsiders and observers.
As a bonus note, Azami, Rabu and Kenzaburou are all species of birds that can be kept as pets (java sparrow, budgie, parakeet), which may account for some of their friendliness towards Hiyoko, and Kenzaburou's willingness to hire her. Kenzaburou is even a bit old-fashioned it seems - he sleeps in a cage, which implies his ancestors were probably pet birds themselves. It's likely he, in particular, has more positive views on humans.
...Please tell me I'm not the only one who spent ages thinking about the implications and workings of a fictional post-apocalyptic bird society. Also I hope this made sense I kind of went off the rails here.
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sleepyblr-heart · 5 months
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last of the main points!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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vjonk · 14 days
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*throws this at u and runs*
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minophus · 1 month
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i know minophus would be the most welcoming leather daddies at pride. minos vc Come, my child, let me buy you a slushy of your choice in flavor
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national blueberry cheesecake day
i learned this type of cheesecake is purple not blue :(
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cicadidae-tm9899 · 10 months
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Some Gabriel studies :D
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onlineviolence · 10 months
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more of that super murder game or something
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silversiren1101 · 9 months
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👕👀 if that's alright? totally not gonna try to base an actual outfit later of off this to go out nope dfgdfg
YES ABSOLUTELY - a portal opens up between universes and realities... Thedas and Golarion suddenly within reach of one another... Mino looks through the portals and sees one of the most gorgeous creatures even in her life: Sarikh Surana...! Everything about his grace and fashion sense, from his armor to his Orlesian gala dresses...! She would like to invite him to a private lunch so to meet one another, interdimensional dignitary that he is!
Top AND Bottoms:  First thing is that she absolutely knows she is finding him a dress or skirt - or something similar. She's seen him in that one butterfly dress and it was hauntingly beautiful. That being said, this is simply a lunch date! Also it's quite hot in Cheliax, so she's found something light and airy that'll compliment his figure AND those to-die-for red tresses. She noticed he often sports a plunging neckline, so this over-length shirt with exactly that, puffy sleeves, and tied together with this green belted wrap skirt will work wonders! It'll call back to his elvhen heritage and usual wardrobe, while being a little cooler for the heat and a little more modern.
Shoes: Mino took a look through your wardrobe and found all sorts of cute shoes! She also noticed the lack of heels, but is pushing these Sarikh's way anyway. They may be a little too high of a heel, so she'll happily have them mended to be lower if needed! The brown ribbon laces are just too cute, and will work wonderfully with the white and green colors above!
Hair/Hat: Sarikh your hair is GORGEOUS! Mino doesn't want to cover it up in anyway, only draw even more attention to that stunning red. She's picked out this gold comb with green jewels to tuck into your hair. It'll further compliment the asymmetrical look and bring out your hair color even more.
Other Accessories: Does Sarikh even need any more accessories? He's already beautiful as is! Mino is hesitant to add anymore, not wanting to overcomplicate the fit, but she does love these little winged earcuffs. They'll be modified to fit his ears, of course, and they call back to his own knightly order with the griffon wings (she would talk his ear off forever asking questions about the Grey Wardens you know). She also found these leather hand covers with a nature motif that will work with the rest of the earthen tones in the outfit!
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devotedlystrangewizard · 11 months
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thinking gabriel thoughts (again)
#the guy who cut down minos without a second thought is the same guy who was the only angel to care about the ferrymen. fucking dies#his terminal entry literally says hes popular in heaven because of his radiant personality. he does nothing but insult v1 in 3-2#get you a man who can do both#minos swears revenge on him while the ferryman literally worships him.#the skeleton in 1-4 who is worshipping him even after their life is long gone and the mural in 4-3 with traitor written over it#he looms over the narrative even when hes not there#he encourages even those in hell to Be Good and Have Faith but destroyed minos for trying to make a better life#different characters have extremely different views of him and all of them make sense!#heaven's specialest little boy can be hell's worst nightmare. as a treat#i also think about minos a lot by extension#i was just chilling on the wiki when i got hit with the 'he thought it unreasonable that people were punished for loving' and cried#like even as someone whos aroallo. it got to me!#it also raises the question of how much homosexuality is part of that. to me#is heaven ultrakill homophobic. discuss#i mean they do have Major bisexual lighting. in lust.#yeah sure theyre in hell hell is eternal punishment but he really was just. trying to make a peaceful existence#also the sisyphean insurrectionist lore fucked me up a little#ultrakill on the surface looks so simple but then you open up the wiki and its 'yeah the ferrymen tore their own flesh off their bones'#'king minos attempted to make a peaceful civilization in the lust layer and was killed for it but he lingered bc hes op'#'yeah actually the sisyphean insurrectionists are like that because the angels took away everything they didnt need for the punishment'#and you just have to live with that information now. you wont go back to blissful ignorance. you cant.#or thats just on me for taking lore too seriously. v1 doesnt care
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mistbow · 1 year
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I was in Zesty equipment grinding hell for this and it still kinda makes me a bit sad that this localization totally misses the reference.
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(Sanctified Astral Mastery btw, Mikleo’s rarest staff since it drops from Level 90+ enemies lol)
In Japanese it was a reference to Mix Master (ミックスマスター), one of the extension spells in Crazy Comet (クレイジーコメット), originally coming from Destiny 2 (and also in Hearts).
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It’s 星河ミックスマスター, which I would probably translate to something like Galaxy Masterstroke? Galactic Masterstroke? Since Masterstroke is what Mix Master is localized as in Hearts R anyway.
This is how the weapon looks like:
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Which kinda looks like Harold’s staff (or not really lol) except with Meebo colors. As a D2 fan I’m, again, very sad the localization misses this LOL.
Though if only Mikleo really had Crazy Comet and its extensions (Twinkle Star, Mix Master, and Princess of Mermaid... after all, Princess of Mermaid is a Water spell too in D2, and I guess the rest can count as non-elemental like in the original D2 too, so Void I guess lol). I also am wondering what’s with Mikleo and being star-themed, for some reason, since his sanctified circlets are named after the stars in the twelve zodiac sign constellations. Oh well, if anything, it goes well with his Prima Stella costume lmao.
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unjustnyan · 2 years
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Dusk and Ultrakill thoughts
So how one describe Dusk and Ultrakill in the most 3 a.m. and sleep deprived way?
If you wish to find out, well then, you came to the right place.
Dusk is like showing up at an abandoned bar, asking for a beer. The old man says “You know what, kid? I’ll do you one better.” He then starts tossing the most random shit in your glass like he consulted the Necronomicon as a cocktail guidebook.
You swear you saw sawdust, rodent blood and at least 15ml of Testosterone along with an ungodly amount of ketamine. He finishes by pouring in moonshine and gold flakes (you hope it’s actually chocolate, but knowing him, it’s most definitely actual gold) into the forbidden cocktail and asks you to drink it.
The next thing you know, you find yourself surrounded by dead cultists, possessed demon goats and at least several of Cthulhu’s nephews. You don’t know where the hell the old man went, but you notice you’re at least 20kg of muscle flying through the air bunnyhopping by the end of it.
Meanwhile, Ultrakill is like a cocaine-blood-estrogen cocktail, beautifully shook to drum and bass, poured over the rocks with the ice of Cocytis, shaken again with two stolen robotic arms, projectile boosted into the shadow realm, warmed up slightly by the flames of Heresy, which is then mixed with tears from an extremely gay angel and some dead Greek King who’s really into Pankration in his spare time before being stored and drank from a rainbow coloured Vaccum flask with time-frozen rockets attached to it.
Moral of the story?
“What do you mean, moral of the story-“
THE MORAL OF THE STORY IS-
You should definitely buy Dusk and Ultrakill because they’re legitimately amazing experiences.
“Don’t you mean games?”
You heard me, experiences. Because when you play them, the sheer wonder and thrill playing them for the first time, breathtakingly gorgeous soundtracks and faithful recreations of the early FPS genre era with fresh gameplay and new twists will change you.
And thus, concludes my bizarre thoughts on the Dusk and Ultrakill experience. Thank you, and may you have a very fine night.
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lowpolyshadow · 1 year
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okok Okay the neutral endings are incredibly fucked up and insane but also theyre super not canon (bc despite shth’s attempts to be a choose your own adventure, theres a canon ending which yknow. defeats the purpose. but technically they havent Confirmed the canon route either so the more popular theories involve some of the neutral ends anyways ANYWAYS)
the actual reason for his rewrite as awkward as it is nowadays is bc in shth(2005)’s the last way it reveals that the whole point of the game was that in the end the true path shadow decides to take is “fuck it we ball” and he decides fuck black doom, the past is in the past and hes moving on from all this bullshit of being gerald’s pawn and gun’s weapon and even a little bit of maria’s hope to be Just Shadow and he will keep his promise to maria while also finally endeavoring to live life as his own self and this is why hes so superior in sonic 06 bc he
anyways so like. the neutral endings or rlly any ending that isnt the last way is more of further character study on Why Shadow Is Like This slash u know the alternate reality where he only finds out about (x) part of his creation but not (y) (which is why the theorized pathing involves multiple routes bc thats the only way he actually reaches the last way, with all the pieces of his past and all the acceptance of himself and with that acceptance, the means to let himself let go of it) AND THIS IS WHY HES SO SUPERIOR IN 06 BECAUSE H
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minophus · 3 months
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and i do think gabriel lost weight after he killed minos
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sludgeguzzler · 4 months
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everyone in my circle is into ultrakill right now and its so funny. we get in call every other day to play ultrakill together and watch eachother play ultrakill and talk about ultrakill and then we move on to do something else that isnt playing the game but is still about ultrakill. and everytime we do this we start at 6pm and end at 5am. and its always a great time. we played it on multiplayer. we watched eachother p rank levels. we built the layers on the sims 4. we looked up images and looked at them together. this is so so fun its the most fun ive ever had
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