#be'lal

[moghedien]

i understand there is no need for Be'lal and in fact including Be'lal in the show would definitely be a waste of time and a waste of a Forsaken

but there is nothing better than the comedy of them hyping up Be'lal for like exactly one chapter and Moiraine being like "HE'S GOING TO KILL ALL OF YOU. HE'S SO DANGEROUS. HE'S SO POWERFUL AND YOU'LL ALL DIE."

then she just walks into the room he's in and balefires him mid evil rant in the same scene he's introduced and before he even does anything and its like 'lol nevermind'

#like there is no need for Be'lal but there is a need for 'Moiraine balefires Be'lal' comedy #wheel of time #wot book spoilers #moiraine damodred #be'lal

[asha-mage]

Another random thought: since the Forsaken where sealed separately from The Dark One in the show and as part of a targeted strike (likely in preparation for the attack on The Bore) that means they are the Forsaken LTT thought where the most dangerous and that he needed to knock off the board before proceeding to his boss fight.

That means that any Forsaken the show cuts is one Lews Therin didn't think was worth bothering with.

#wheel of time #wot #wot on prime #wheel of time on prime #wot book spoilers #tdr spoilers #forsaken #ishamael #lanfear #moghedien #graendal #messana #sammael #semirhage #asmodean #rahvin #demandred #be'lal #balthamael #aginor #this must have driven the remaining survivors INSANE until they where hunted down by the remaining aes sedai

[wot-tidbits]

The Forsaken by Anass Boumarag

#wheel of time #forsaken #the shadow #asmodean #be'lal #lanfear #rahvin #sammael #graendal #demandred #moridin #ishamael #semirhage #balthamel #aginor #mesaana #moghedien #artwork #fanart

[littlecitywizard]

So I'm re reading wheel of time, book 3 specifically, and I'm being reminded of just how much the male forsaken care about what lews therin thinks and does, and get so fucking mad that rand does not know them. Like be'lal is so upset that rand has no clue who he is and it's so funny.

#wheel of time #wot #rand al'thor #the dragon reborn #the dragon reborn spoilers #wot spoilers #wot book spoilers #be'lal

[apocalypticavolition]

Let's (re)Read The Dargon Reborn! Chapter 4: Shadows Sleeping

I'm on the very extreme end of the Kinsey scale and I'd still be down with a threesome with these two, which says a lot about my survival instinct. But this post isn't about the sexiest way to die, it's about The Wheel of Time, all fifteen books plus a variety of side content and dammit I try to spoil it all as much as possible. If that's going to be a problem, don't keep reading.

This chapter has a wolf icon because Perrin's diving straight into the wolf dream.

So you will give it up, then. It is the best thing for you. Come. Sit, and we will talk.”

Ishamael has noticed that the boys never do what he says, so he figures it's time to tell them to do the things that would be best for them so that they won't do them.

No, just kidding, that would be competent of him and he's still in crazy pants mode until he respawns. He's actually trying to cause Perrin to take up the Way of the Leaf in the hopes that in about fifteen minutes, when the Fades arrive, our boy will be too stupid to immediately reevaluate his philosophy and let the Shadow kill him.

Perrin had not realized the axe was there, had not felt the weight of it pulling at his belt. He ran a hand over the half-moon blade and the thick spike that balanced it. The steel felt—solid. More solid than anything else there. Maybe even more solid than he was himself.

All of this is a dire warning sign since we're in T'A'R, but since Perrin doesn't know that yet, we can hardly blame him for not appreciating that symbolism.

“At least have a drink with me. To years past and years to come. Here, you will see things more clearly after.” The cup the man pushed across the table had not been there a moment before. It shone bright silver, and dark, blood-red wine filled it to the brim.

While most of the Fair Folk stuff in WoT is of course covered by the Finn, I think that the stuff about eating and drinking may well be ancient memories of what dreamers can do in T'A'R.

A gilded helmet, worked like a lion’s head, sat on his head as if it belonged there. Gold leaf covered his ornately hammered breastplate, and gold-work embellished the plate and mail on his arms and legs. Only the axe at his side was plain. A voice—his own—whispered in his mind that he would take it over any other weapon, had carried it a thousand times, in a hundred battles. No! He wanted to take it off, throw it away. I can’t!

Perrin's mistake is in thinking his situation is such that it's only a dream. I'm pretty sure it's Lanfear he's hearing, not himself, and that Lanfear has no more knowledge of Perrin's other lives than anyone else.

“Yes,” he whispered. Inside him, startlement fought with acceptance. He had no use for glory. But when she said it, he wanted nothing else.

Let the record show: When Perrin laments that Rand is better at girls than he is, the fact that Rand doesn't immediately turn into a glory hound at Lanfear's demand proves Perrin right. The jury is still out on where Mat fits into the rankings.

“You don’t know the half of what you are. Of what you can be. Come, share a cup with me, to destiny and glory.” There was a shining silver cup in her hand, filled with blood-red wine. “Drink.”

Pretty rare to see Ishamael and Lanfear on the same page. I'm not sure if she's only accidentally mimicking him or if they're working together for the same general purpose of pulling Perrin away from Rand (Mat, being further away and tainted besides, needs no special attention). Obviously even if they're working together Lanfear wants to screw over Ishamael as soon as possible, it's her nature.

Everywhere he looked, left and right, up or down, were more bridges, more spires, and railless ramps. There seemed no end to them, no pattern. Worse, some of those ramps climbed to spire tops that had to be directly above the ones they had left.

Some suggest that this is either the Ways in T'A'R or a memory thereof, but I think it's just convergent evolution and that Lanfear's gone to a dream shard the Forsaken made, unaware that Perrin's got the skills to follow her through.

On a bridge slightly below him, and much closer than the ramp where the woman had been, a man suddenly appeared, tall and dark and slender, the silver in his black hair giving him a distinguished look, his dark green coat thickly embroidered with golden leaves.

This is Rahvin, for the record.

Another man started across the bridge from the other side, his appearance as sudden as the first man’s. Black stripes ran down the puffy sleeves of his red coat, and pale lace hung thick at his collar and cuffs.

And Be'lal.

The first two men stood side by side, now, made uncomfortable allies by the presence of the newcomer. He shouted at them and shook his fist, while they shifted uneasily, refusing to meet his glares. If the two hated each other, they feared him more.

Considering Rahvin's raw strength and Be'lal's skills at subterfuge, their abject terror of Ishamael is pretty interesting. Are they only afraid of the modern him, stark raving mad from centuries of isolation, or was this how they would have responded to him in the Age of Legends as well?

A prickling in the hair on the back of his neck made him look up. On a ramp above him and to the right, a shaggy gray wolf stood looking at him.

Naturally this freaks Perrin the fuck out even though it's likely that the only reason he didn't die in the fireball Ishamael made was that the wolves "just a weave"-d it.

(Also: Hi Hopper! Who's a good boy?)

A sword, hanging hilt down in the air, apparently without support, seemingly where anyone could reach out and take it. It revolved slowly, as if some breath of air caught it. Yet it was not really a sword.

I beg you to remember that Callandor, no matter how many times Rand misuses it along the way, is not a weapon. It's not really a sword. It's a trap.

Callandor. Who wields me wields destiny. Take me, and begin the final journey.

Is Callandor just calling to anyone who can find it in T'A'R? Is it programmed to respond to ta'veren who find it there enough times because no one foresaw Mat and Perrin's existence? Of course not. Perrin is now pushing his way into a dream meant for Rand, same way he pushed his way into that private conversation. No wonder our other boy is so impatient, putting up with months of manipulation by the shadow.

The thought was clear in his head, but the thought was not his own. The Twisted Ones come, brother.

And of course, the Shadow descends to cause chaos while it's trying to keep Rand busy, to maximize his despair, and immediately after trying to get Perrin to become a pacifist, to minimize his response against them.

Unfortunately (or rather, fortunately), they have no idea how to talk to Third Agers so none of their schemes fully work out.

Next time: The Twisted Ones!

#let's read #wheel of time #wot #robert jordan #wheel of time spoilers #wot spoilers #perrin aybara #ishamael #lanfear #rahvin #be'lal #hopper

[markantonys]

#functioning under the assumption that pigs will fly before be'lal aginor or balthamel makes it into the show lmao #someone said one of the statues has a guitar so asmo's probably safe but i included him anyway #sammael gets my vote #in personality he's a discount demandred and in story function he's a discount rahvin #wot #the wheel of time #wot on prime #wot book spoilers #asmodean #rahvin #sammael #demandred

[radiantmists]

*not necessarily the 'best'/coolest, but the one you think about a lot/enjoy reading the most/vibe with/find funniest

#wheel of time #wot book spoilers #sorta #im very proud that i remembered all these without looking them up #if i mispelled one dont tell me i cant edit polls and id like to live in bliss #two had to be combined and i decided belal and balthamel are the lamest we'll see if im right #also didnt include the reincarnated ones or taim for space reasons #wot forsaken #mine's asmodean btw. lanfear's a close second but more the cooler lanfear that lives in my head

[fantasyquests]

"Rand al'Thor. So that is his name now." Her face crumpled in a momentary grimace. "An arrogant man who stank of piety and goodness. Is he still the same? No, do not bother to answer that. An idle question. So Be'lal is dead. The other sounds like Ishamael, to me. All his pride at being only half-caught, whatever the price - there was less human left in him than any of us when I saw him again; I think he half-believed he was the Great Lord of the Dark - all his three thousand years of machinations, and it comes to an untaught boy hunting him down. My way is best. Softly, softly in the shadows."

(Robert Jordan, The Shadow Rising)

#the wheel of time #wot book spoilers #moghedien

[eve-is-obsessed]

pour one out for Moiraine being slumped unconscious, alone, against a pillar for the entire climax of The Dragon Reborn. at least she got to one-shot Be'lal before she went down... no one else in the climax even got to accomplish that much. (in case you can't tell I did not like the ending) (why'd they all gather in Tear if the plotlines weren't going to converge enough for anyone who wasn't Rand to do anything)

#eve reads wot #wheel of time #wheel of time book spoilers #the dragon reborn #moiraine damodred

[thenotoriousscuttlecliff]

After the eight statues and eight seal symbols, it is clear at this point that we're only getting eight Forsaken in the show. Everyone's suspect this for a while and this is a close as we've come to having it officially confirmed.

Besides Ishy and Lanfear, the others we are most certainly going to get are Moghedien, Graendal, Semirhage, Sammael and Asmodean. Be'lal, Mesaana, Aginor, and Balthamel are cut, although I wish they'd kept Be'lal just for the hilarity of him showing up for a big fight with Rand only to be instantly killed by an out of nowhere Moiraine.

Not sure about Rahvin and Demandred. I think it is likely that Rahvin might get combined with Sammael since they have similar storylines where they secretly take over a nation and then get killed in a fight with Rand. Even though he doesn't really do anything until the Last Battle, I suspect they'll keep Demandred and just give him some of the roles from the Forsaken who have been cut so he has a bigger presence or just invent a new storyline for him.

#wheel of time #wot on prime #wot book spoilers #the forsaken

[chosenasmodean]

What if we gave the Forsaken Ajahs?

Aside from the obvious one, of course. Just a fun little thought experiment. Beware full series spoilers (including a twist in the final book, you have been warned!).

Aginor

His whole thing is bioweapons and genetic engineering. Since that would necessitate anatomical knowledge I think that Yellow would work for him. He's got the mad scientist thing down, and the OG Doctor Frankenstein himself was a medical student. Plus he low-key mentored Flinn with Healing.

Asmodean

There aren't any Ajahs for the Arts, however a strong case can be made for Brown. March of Death is his main tune, composed 300 years before the War of Power, and Isendre mentions that he always plays songs that she doesn’t recognize. Browns live to preserve old niche knowledge, so it works!

Balthamel

In the Age of Legends Balthamael was a historian specializing in ancient civilizations, so that's a shoe-in for Brown. Blue could be an alternative, since Balthamael managed spy networks and continued that as Aran'gar by infiltrating the Salidar group. Though I really enjoy subverting the 'placid and absent-minded' stereotype of the Brown Ajah by bringing in someone who was well-known for having an awful temper.

Be'lal

It will always be funny to me that he was a lawyer in the Age of Legends. Easy Grey.

Demandred

This might be a weird pick. On the face of it he seems like an obvious Green. However his whole quest in Shara resulted in him leading a slave rebellion. Sure it was for the sole purpose of creating an army for himself, but he got really invested. Freeing slaves is a pretty just cause, so Blue? Also he tripped and fell face first into prophecies just like our favourite Blue, Moiraine.

Graendal

Her field of psychology is medical-adjacent, which would indicate Yellow. On the other hand, her preference for Compulsion could lean more towards Grey. She does have at least one political figure in her 'collection'. And it's so easy to negotiate when you can just make the other party do whatever you want! I really can't decide with her, either would work.

Ishamael

The nihilistic philosopher. White Ajah.

Lanfear

If we're being honest she would choose White just for the aesthetic. I think there's a case to be made for Red, though. Her path to attaining power for herself is to manipulate men with power and place herself over them (see Lews Therin, Rand, and even Perrin). She also shielded Asmodean to within an inch of severing him, which I think gets her Red points.

M'Hael

As a False Dragon I'm tempted to put him in Red just for the irony, but I think that Green would suit him best. The Green Ajah's duty is to prepare for the Last Battle, and that is the entire purpose of the Black Tower: turn channelers into weapons.

Mesaana

She was a teacher and turned to the Shadow because she was denied academic tenure. And her name literally means ‘Teacher of lessons‘. Brown.

Moghedien

Her favourite thing to do is sit back and spy and scheme. Since Blue has a reputation for spy networks it's a natural fit.

Rahvin

His plan was to sleep with a monarch until he got what he wanted. For sleezy diplomatic procedures and a reliance on Compulsion he goes in Grey.

Sammael

Jock-turned-general with a specialty in defence and fortification. Yeah he's a Green.

Semirhage

The Danger Healer. She has the most expansive medical knowledge, to the point of being morbidly clinical while torturing people, so she’s Yellow.

#wheel of time #wot book spoilers #this is just for fun #I wanted to see if it would work to get one for each ajah #forsaken #asmodean #meta

[moghedien]

the last two unconfirmed Forsaken slots are actually just Be'lal twice

#both of them get slimed by Moiraine with no ceremony and then immediately forgotten by the plot #wheel of time #wot on prime #wot show spoilers #wot book spoilers #be'lal

[asha-mage]

Okay so we have a confirmed 8 Forsaken (6 Seals + Ishy and Lanfear), we know the following FOR SURE:

Ishamael

Lanfear

Moghedien

Sammael

Graendal

Based on the statutes (and his importance) we can also assume:

Asmodean

That means that the final two slots are a competition between:

Semirhage

Demandred

Messana

Be'lal

Rahvin

Aginor

Balthamael

WoT Book readers weigh in- who is the show keeping and who is it cutting?

(I personally feel like Semirhage is a shoe in given her late series importance. Rahvin's got a lot of mid series importance, but his role could be handed off to a few different characters, probably Graendal. Demandred also seems highly likely to me, though his role could be combined with Sammael's admittedly. What do you all think?)

#WoT #WoT On Prime #WoT Book Spoilers #Wheel of Time #Wheel of Time on Prime #AMOL Spoilers #just to be safe #Ishamael #Lanfear #moghedien #Sammael #Graendal #Asmodean #semirhage #Demandred #Messana #Be'lal #Aginor #Balthamael

[wot-tidbits]

The Chosen Party Composition

#wheel of time #forsaken #wot meme #the shadow #graendal #sammael #moghedien #mesaana #ishamael #asmodean #demandred #rahvin #aginor #balthamel #be'lal #lanfear #semirhage

[littlecitywizard]

I am absolutely certain that all the (important) male forsaken desired Lews therin carnally.

#wheel of time #wot #the wheel of time spoilers #kinda #not belal #or aginor #all the others though #they all wanted to fuck him #and thats why lanfear is unique #shes the only female forsaken who wanted to fuck him #i forgot to mention balthamel is also not in love with lews therin #nevermind about be'lal #after more research i have discovered that he was likely envious of LTT and therefore in love

[fission-mailure]

So, we now know that five of the eight Forsaken in TV Wheel of Time are Ishamael, Lanfear, Moghedien, Graendel, and Sammael. That leaves three open slots, and we know those are all dudes because Lanfear specifically draws a contrast in an earlier episode between herself, Moghedien, and Graendel as opposed to 'the boys.'

Asmodean is a near certainty -- we saw in season 1 that one of the eight Forsaken statues is carrying a musical instrument.

That leaves two slots for some combination of Demandred, Aginor, Balthamel, Be'lal, and Rahvin.

Demandred seems the least likely. His portfolio as a general and military leader is already neatly covered by Sammael, plus it would be a recipe for confusion in a series that's given Moiraine's family more prominence to have Demandred and the Damodred family. Be'lal also seems unlikely, since his general portfolio is also covered by Sammael (warrior and military leader who is motivated by jealousy of Lews), and he's basically a non-entity in the books.

So, two slots between probably Balthamel, Aginor, and Rahvin. Of those two, I'd put money on Rahvin being one -- nobody is really covering his role as the Forsaken's diplomat, and it introduces an interesting obstacle to have him overtly negotiating with governments while Moghedien undermines the side of Light from the shadows -- and then maybe Aginor? Balthamel has a larger role in the books, but he's another spy, and that's thoroughly covered by Moghedien and Lanfear. Aginor is probably the more interesting character if you want to spin the story out into new directions.

#wheel of time