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abybweisse · 1 month

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Ch210, Where is F. O. L. Orphanage?

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I was discussing that question with @juxl25, and I think we came up with a good choice for its location.

The only information we know for sure is that it's in Norfolk, and that it's near a river. We also know Finny and Snake took a train to a nearby town and walked to the orphanage.

We also know there's a wind pump that drains water from the surrounding marshland. There are at least four major rivers in the area used for draining the marshes: Yare, Bure, Wensum, and Ouse.

Juxl25 suggested River Yare and the historic Red Mill (the wind pump) as the area but was looking at Manor House, which is farther away, in the village (proper) of Haddiscoe, Norfolk. After some digging around, I agree with River Yare and Red Mill/Langley Detached mill (originally called Langley detached windpump...

...or Langley Detached drainage pump).

They are in an area northeast of Haddiscoe village, called Haddiscoe Island (these days), thanks to a canal added to connect River Yare and River Waveney farther inland, creating an island of the area and making the marshland there more remote/less accessible.

There's a historic farmhouse just east of River Yare, not far from Red Mill, called Raven Hall. And Raven Hall would be a premium location to have a secluded facility like F. O. L. Orphanage.

There's only one thing I don't like about the buildings shown for Raven Hall -- it's a bit farther from the drainage pump than I want it to be, and it's just a large farmhouse (almost 3000 sqft) and a long barn (almost 900 sqft). But there's a cool space just south of those buildings, which would be ideal for the main orphanage, as well as a spot for the stables/barn leading closer to the drainage pump, farther south. Here are two options for the placement of F. O. L.:

In each case, I've placed the stables to the west of the main house, as a small red rectangle (more or less), while the windpump was already marked by a red dot farther southwest. Looking at the bend of the river on Theo's image of a map of the place, the placement on the right (above) might be the better match. Then again, it could be exactly where Raven Hall is located. And Raven Hall, having been built in the 17th century (or at least 1700), is older than Red Mill (built in 1840).

Too bad I can't see the placement of the windpump on his map, but I think it's somewhere behind the speech bubbles on the left side of the panel.

We see that the windpump at the orphanage has a low roof of some kind, and juxl25 explains that someone was probably living onsite just to maintain it full time. I did find at least one pic showing Red Mill with what could be the old maintenance shed/shelter, but it seemed to be on the wrong side. Who knows? I guess it depends on which way the sails are facing to catch the wind? But the low roof in the panel is probably just the top of some shed.

Oh, and near St Olaves, there's a train station called Haddiscoe Station. They could have got off the train there and made their way north to the orphanage by foot. Or did they hitch a ride part of the way? I'll have to go back and check.

I'm still considering one other location, not far from there, but I won't post it unless further research looks more promising.

Hey... can you imagine if all this time... F. O. L. was just some place name reference... like "Farmhouse on Langley" (Marshes)?!?

Please let these kids break the windpump and flood the tunnels.... 🙏

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juxl25 · 1 month

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Kuroshitsuji theory (spoilers ahead)

Where is the F.O.L orphanage located in Norfolk?

This post was made a lot more in depth thanks to @abybweisse (please go ready their post about this subject once you are done here :))

Thanks to chapter 210 we know we are by a river, and that leave 4 maybe 5 rivers it could be; these rivers being Bure, Ouse, Wensum, Yare and maybe Waveny.

And I suspect we are along the River Yare, specifically at the Haddiscoe new cut (where the River Yare meets the river Waveny at the cut)

And you’re probably wondering why I think this, let me explain.

First of all, the surrounding location of the F.O.L orphanage. We know it’s slightly raised on a hill, that’s surrounded by flat marsh / farm lands with a forest on the back of the building and has a river running near by and a transition along the river. As well as that the showing of seagulls in the start of the arc reveals it’s relatively close to the ocean. All of these factors are very similar to hadiscoe in 1889.

Originally I thought it was Haddiscoe Manor House but threw research done by Aby and myself, I now suspect that Raven Hall is the location of the of the orphanage. This is also correlated by the location of the river to the Hall shown in the map that Theo shows us of the underground tunnels.

Raven Hall is a farm house estate just off of the yare river and inside of the Haddiscoe island. The estate also had a water mill pump called the Red Mill (in 1889 this would of been knows as the langley detached drainage pump), which is a drainage mill like the one mentioned, at the end of the chapter when the kids have to swim threw the drainage system to get out of the estate.

This drainage mill pumps water from the surrounding area to the river Yare, which is what Theo says the the mill by them does.

Another thing to consider is how Finny and Snake would of got to this location by train. As we are shown at the start of the arc Finny and snake take a train to a far out station and walk in to the orphanage. I suspect they took the end of the line route that goes from Norwich to Lowestoft, but instead of taking the line to the end they got off at Haddiscoe station that is located on the south side of the cut next to st olaves. They would of then walked over one of the many bridges to the island and up to the F.O.L orphanage.

This also link to a safe way to get to the meeting point with the O!Ciel. Once the investigation on the orphanage was done, snake and Finny would have only need to follow the river Yare to get to Great Yarmouth or River Waveny to end up in Lowestoft. These towns were both port town which means they would have had trade route ships which could have taken them directly to Brighton by ocean instead of having to travel the whole country by foot or train.

With all these facts i am quite sure this is the location of the orphanage!

Thanks for reading, if you have any thing to add or if I’ve missed something please feel free to comment :D

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