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[angeloncewas]

"Tell me Dream wouldn't send death threats over MC.C" Tell me you don't know shit about Dream without telling me you don't know shit 😭 what an utterly idiotic take. And then you go around and get mad at other people for "being negative" like have some self respect

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[poetic-crimelord]

My dash do the thing

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[angeloncewas]

It's disappointing to see someone succumb to the attitude that a lot of people adopt defensively. I've always been a big proponent of the Noxcrew (sometimes to a point where Dream stans get mad at me) but they're grown adults running this event/representing this company and their comments seem incredibly childish. I am very sorry that they get treated poorly by children on Twitter but that's not really a good excuse.

#discourse #negative #cc critical #i really like nox.ite like i usually watch the admin stream but wow #mcctalk

[angeloncewas]

Hmmmmmm. I mean I understand why people are frustrated with Noxite's (as a group, not sure who was talking) comments, they were not kind, but also like, the fandom will defend Dream's right to talk back to people when he's being harassed, and Noxite gets endless shit from people intending to be defending dtqk (despite those people all saying come on we're all friends let me be frustrated and move on). So I kinda think it's fair for them to have a couple minutes of frustration on a livestream while they're getting live-mobbed on social media? Idk.

I was really impressed with how Dream and his team actually responded to the incredible frustration of a block glitch taking them out of a round— they were really good sports!— so it was really disappointing to see twitter decide to do the exact oppisite, and then now everyone's shouting at each other.

I do see your point -- I think the difference (for me) is that they weren't hitting back at the same people who were harassing them. I've watched the noxcrew make very justified and sometimes genuinely funny jokes about Twitter stans and mcc drama and the like. But there's a difference between that and calling Dream unprofessional in a situation where he - as you yourself said - was frustrated but generally a good sport. And calling the fans of the event friendless as an aside. This (again, to me) doesn't make the crew bad people or anything like that, it's just a trap that a lot of people in the creator sphere fall into where the criticism/hate blurs and it becomes hard to discern who's saying what. I never want anyone to be harassed and some feral boys stans do often go too far. But I also find the comments discomforting to an extent, y'know?

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[angeloncewas]

I often times think people overreact in regards to their shittalking of noxcrew but especially those recent comments geniunly lack any sort of respect.

I totally agree. Like I said, I've watched every single admin stream up to the past 3 or so several times. I'm like a genuine fan of Noxite, I think he's funny and he always has liked Dream even if it's from a distant respect with him being a good competitor. Yes, sometimes they jab, but I'm a big boy and I'm not gonna get pissy on behalf of some /lh jokes. This was something that felt like them angry at the fanbase for a built-up amount of things and while I understand that they are only human (and that dttwt can be a nightmare sometimes) -- they have to understand how alienating and unfair that is

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[angeloncewas]

Ace race was interesting…

I don't know what you're talking about. Ace Race has never caused a single problem to any streamer ever. Who's Wilbur Soot?

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[angeloncewas]

tbh if you remove twitter there is no mess - I assume, I’m sure there are freaks here who are still milking this for all it’s worth. Literally people just need to laugh a little, Dream is a bit of idiot sometimes, laugh at him and move on don’t invest half a day crying and exaggerating how malicious his rant littered with “love noxcrews” was, stupid for a couple things he could left out and not being funny enough; yes, malicious or unreasonable considering his POV of no context and not realizing his first win was potentially boosted by the issue; no.

900-note post talking about how he's ruined everything -- there's mess over here too, but honestly I'm just glad you managed to avoid it. I'll never understand the ppl who say they hate the drama only to go around and perpetuate it on the other side. At least be honest with yourself, c'mon. The mcyt fandom feeds on drama, always has.

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[angeloncewas]

I’m mostly just triggered by their SOT comment, like bro that is by far your best game of course people want it are you fucking brain dead? Like they want it *because* it’s good, that’s a compliment and you insult them for it 😭😭

Really shooting themselves in the foot there fr 😭

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[angeloncewas]

ik that noxite is usually pretty positive and there is usually a little clearly lighthearted ribbing about dream so this caught me so off guard its so weird like it might be some pent up frustration about hate from twitter but it feels so unfair to take it out by mockinv dream like this especially after he recently defended noxite anfter the meltdown map fiasco. i think the thing that really unsettlles tho me is the clip dug up from admin pov mcc11 when the noxcrew are making jokes about dream being swatted i can link that if yoy havent seen it

If it's what I'm thinking of I'm actually willing to grant them some grace in that because I remember they didn't want people talking about it if it was true and they were trying to steer people's attentions in a lighthearted direction/away from Dream having this scary thing happen to him, but I also don't fully remember so I understand if it's different from that (I just wanted to put that context out there). Anyway yeah it's very clear that they're sick of Dream's fans (which isn't fair at all bc it's quackity and sapnap and George solos just as often if not more - but I digress) and that's seeping into their commentary, but to call people who took a large chunk of time out of their day to watch your event "friendless" for doing so is truly batshit 😭

I don't know if the person speaking was Noxite actually but ik he's in charge so.

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[angeloncewas]

reminds me of the post by one of Hbombs mods talking about mcc 14 months after the fact but literally only mentioned Dream and Sapnap, and written like Dream wasn’t the one saying they love H, like was Dream at fault there? Yeah but not any more then anyone else in the call beside Sapnap. Like five people in the call and you focus on Dream who isn’t the streamer *months* after the event. Like at that point it was settled why do you get such a hate boner < I was watching Hbomb at the time so I’m pretty sure it was prompted by him sitting out of the next event but regardless they are all fine and H said as much. Just like Dream doesn’t need stans whiteknighting against noxcrew, your favs don’t need protection for the big bad evil dream.

Yeah I've seen some behavior toward Noxcrew that was silly (as in: stupid, childish, pointless, rude) and I don't mean to discredit that but going on to perpetuate a lie doesn't make you (general) any better or in some kind of higher position just because you're right about that one facet of the situation... idk. I really don't know what to say sometimes with this because it's not that I agree with stans (far from it most of the time) it's that I'd much rather deal with someone who is doing bad things and is aware of that than someone who thinks they are above it all and does similar things.

It's plenty "parasocial" to be that invested in any of it, even if you do believe that Dream or whoever is in the wrong. It's plenty rude to make up details that didn't happen instead of letting the facts speak for themself. It's plenty discourse-y to reblog a hundred posts about how BM haters should die. It's okay to do all that if you'd like. But y'know.

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[angeloncewas]

I will stop sending you messages about this, I just interpreted it as professionalism = manners, re: get some, because I just can’t understand why they would call Dream unprofessional, especially cause the admin stream loves Dream? But like he wasn’t doing anything to warrant that, he’d briefly been sad about a glitch and talked to people about it in an attempt to understand what happened? So for me it doesn’t make sense for that to be directed at Dream, and for me it makes more sense for it to be like “you’re calling ME unprofessional, you’re sending dts about a block game, who has the bad behaviour here?” I don’t know, possibly I’m interpreting that too generously (which let me tell you my Twitter is NOT).

(Leaving aside the hilarity of calling Noxcrew unprofessional, before six hours ago, as a watcher of both MCM and Twitch Rivals.)

No worries about sending stuff in, I read it all even if I don't respond !

Usually the admin does love Dream (my only reddit post is about it) but I do think that with new employees and shifting attitudes there is strain there that's undeniable; sometimes people equate Dream with his audience in a way that's disingenuous (imo). BUT, like I said, I don't think it's a for sure thing and I'd believe them if they said they meant it how you interpreted it !

(Oh boy on Twitch Rivals LMAO)

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[angeloncewas]

yknow i definitely understood why some fans were upset at first but now it’s like…a mountain out of a molehill. no comments would have been made had ppl just been chill. if ppl could take a step back and maybe think, “hey is this actually important? does this actually affect dream in any serious way?”

it’s just…okay he was kinda rude. dream will be fine. i definitely understand why noxite made that comment even if it was uncalled for realistically speaking. i think the points you made were good but every take i see after that from other ppl is just….a smidgen of nuance and a reality check would be nice.

Honestly that's why I was a little hesitant to keep talking about it at first. Because you're right, it's not a big deal. It's one of those instances where you speak to someone and then you go home and think damn, that sucked, and then go to bed and move on with your life. Plus I'm not here to fall on the sword for anybody in most cases. But also (just on my part) this is Tumblr, not Twitter, so I feel like I'm okay to talk about whatever I want on my blog, y'know? My point here is that I agree with you in the grand scheme, but I also think that if someone talking abt something on their blog bothers you it's probably best to leave them to it because it's not as though they're breaking down anyone's doors. A lot of people who tend to disagree with the usual suspects for this kind of drama were actually also upset this time, which is an interesting measure of its scale.

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[angeloncewas]

the sot comment is wild why r they so upset people love something they made

It's just frustration I'm sure and I get it but you really can't let it get in the way of your professional life like that. We're not fucking around as peers we're fans and creators

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[angeloncewas]

I checked the mcc 11 vod and I really think it's more leaning towards what you said! They tried to make it lighthearted and the clip going around cuts of when they continue saying stuff like "maybe it's a family feud 'you didn't wash the dishes, i said no pc for a month'"

i get why people would feel icky but it's a hard situation to be in for anyone. (George and Sapnap very obviously struggled during that and Karl continued to make jokes and push them away from worrying back then)

Doesn't make their comments towards both Dream and his audience alright, but here ya go.

Yeah I thought so! I understand that swatting is very serious and that jokes about it may rub people the wrong way, but they were really trying to make the best of what might've been a legitimately dangerous situation that they had no way to help with. That's how I see it, especially since at the time Dream was still relatively an up-and-comer. Thank you for checking :)

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[angeloncewas]

Okay, anon how who was talking about talking back to harassers, I may be having a different read on this than many (certainly a different read than Twitter is) cause I did not parse those comments as saying that Dream was unprofessional, I read that as still directed at the people yelling on Twitter.

OH I mean perhaps, and if so that definitely shifts things a little, but I honestly don't think so just because there is no concept of what "professionalism" means as a watcher of an mc event, whereas Dream is a competitor and this is a part of his career. But I definitely wouldn't see it as inherently false if that's how they meant it

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[angeloncewas]

"sad because your woof woof took a mental health break from mcc arent you" -- YOURS DID TOO !!!!@??@?@

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