#tatarigoroshi

[gachupons]

私とあなたは今夜、出会わなかった。

You and I never met this night.

#higurashi #higurashi no naku koro ni #takano miyo #miyo takano #keiichi maebara #maebara keiichi #tatarigoroshi

[trashcan-train]

Takano: my plan is flawless they will never catch me i will become a god

Keiichi: hey can i put my bike in the trunk

Takano:

Takano: it's................full.............................

#higurashi #and then she launches into the most speech ever about how that bike cannot be tomitakes #like its impossible just think about this logically maebara #no dont ask whats in the trunk its not important #anyway how was ur murder tonight how did that go for u maebara #higurashi no naku koro ni #takano miyo #tatarigoroshi #my meme #higurashi spoilers #miyo takano #train posts.

[trejean]

#rat scrawlings #higurashi #tatarigoroshi #higurashi spoilers #keiichi maebara

[squidkeki]

tatarigoroshi

#higurashi when they cry #tatarigoroshi #keiichi maebara #satoshi houjou #art

[witch-of-illusions]

Some times ago I found out that in the original Tatarigoroshi ending, Shion and Keiichi weren’t supposed to die, but actually Shion was supposed to visit Keiichi and to help him to recover, but in the end it was dropped and included in the Higurashi Kuradashi light novel, a collection of ‘’what if’’ stories derivated from Ryukishi’s scrapped ideas related to the series The illustration is by Jiro Suzuki

There’s also Higurashi Kuradashi Zoku that’s another light novel, kind of a sequel of the other one with the same kind of content and there’s one story named ‘’A Hidden Satoko Episode from Connecting Fragments’’ with that illustration by Jiro Suzuki; based on it, I wonder if there could have been a connecting fragment that showed Satoko’s POV when she pushed her parents off the cliff...?

#higurashi #Higurashi no Naku Koro ni #tatarigoroshi #keiichi maebara #shion sonozaki #satoko houjou #matsuribayashi

[connan-l]

Long Rant incoming, but I finished playing Yoigoshi from the Higurashi console arc and god, it really reminded me of how much I hate how it handles Yae Towada's character.

I like Yoigoshi in general, I even think it's one of the best Higu side-arcs, but man the entire abuse narrative has such an insensitive and gross undertone and framing.

There’s always been criticisms about how Ryukishi handles abuse, especially in Umineko, and generally I'm more lenient than most on the topic because I think that Ryu still manages to portray it in a very nuanced complex way, but damn Yoigoshi is the only instance where I’m really like "hey fuck this." The story is just so insistent to tell you it was Bad that Yae killed her abuser that it ends up feeling like insidious victim-blaming.

I have no problem with humanizing abusers or portraying abusive relationships as complicated. I think it's even important, because that’s often how it is in real life. But there's a difference between giving depth to an abuser, and putting the abuser's feelings over those of the victim and then downplaying and shifting the blame of the abuse, and Yoigoshi 100% fall in the latter. I think what pisses me off the most is especially... the implication that Somehow her boyfriend was about to get better; that if she'd just waited long enough instead of taking matters into her hands then he would have stopped abusing her and their relationship would have turned out for the best. Even though there is zero evidence that he would have stopped hitting her, and that we know how these stories turn out in real life, with the girlfriend dead. But here we're supposed to believe that she's in the wrong for killing him, and so the story put the blame on her for not… loving and trusting the guy who put her in the hospital enough somehow??

And like, okay, obviously it's awful she ended up having to kill him, and usually I always respect and appreciate Ryu's insistence that violence only breeds further violence and is never a good answer to problems, but here the general vibe feel so much like a "well okay it sucks he was abusing her, but murder is still worse" and highlighting the fact she "made a 'mistake' instead of properly trusting him," which comes across as just so unsympathetic towards her situation and how she was still the primary victim in all this. Honestly fuck the boyfriend, he had it coming

The other thing that bothers is the other characters' reactions too. Like okay Journalist Dude is an asshole so him victim-blaming makes sense, but none of the others actually defend her? Everyone agrees she’s 100% in the wrong?? The most sympathetic is probably Otobe, but even then he’s pretty mild. I genuinely feel it's insulting that Mion, who has a personal experience with abuse victims via Satoko, doesn't try to defend Yae at all, even saying Journalist Dude has a point, like what.

The console arc actually makes it worse tbh because we're stuck in Journalist Dude’s head who is just The Worst + Miyuki having this horrible speech at Towada and victim-blaming her even more, wtf?? (which, okay,  she's a cop to be fair so that does feel in line with what cops do orz, but that still feel so wrong because Miyuki within the story is portrayed as a pragmatic, intelligent person, like she’s a voice of reason, and no one call her out on her bullshit speech either, so that just frames it as if she’s Objectively Right about this when. She’s just not!!)

And then Yae’s sidelined after the reveal, play no role in the final confrontation when even Journalist Dude get to play hero and just show back up at the end so that we know she'll "pay for her crimes" and go to prison.... urgh, I hate everything about it. The only way I’m staying sane with this ending is by headcanoning Shion afterwards being all "nah that’s bullshit" and busting Yae out of prison thanks to her Sonozaki connections so that she can live free without having to throw away years of her life because of her abuser.

To continue on this, suddenly it hit me how Yoigoshi actually feels pretty similar to Tatarigoroshi regarding their narratives about abuse; however the difference is that to me Tatari manages to works in what it’s trying to say, or at least that it manages to say it in a more sensitive and compassionate manner, whereas Yoigoshi fails badly at it.

The two arcs have that same premise of having a victim stuck in an apparently inescapable abusive relationship, and the solution the characters comes up with is to remedy to it via violence in killing the abusers. Doing so result in the situation becoming worse and making them lose what they wanted the most. The message put forth that in the end violence only ever creates more violence and problems, and that no matter how horrible the situation is there are always (peaceful) alternatives to be found.

Ryukishi always had a general emphasis in all of his stories that violence only breed more violence and for a push to find other alternatives solutions instead (with a few exceptions and muddy framing here and there), and this is something I usually like. Tatarigoshi/Minagaroshi are specific narratives that function really well when it comes to this, and manages to do so while being (mostly) respectful to the abusive circumstances and the victim it portrays. The reason why I believe that Tatari/Mina is able to work compared to Yoigoshi comes down to two central differences:

First, there’s the fact that in Tatari the one killing the abuser is not the victim of the abuse (Satoko), but an outsider (Keiichi). Tatari’s second part really highlight the fact Keiichi becomes increasingly self-righteous in thinking he’s the only one who truly cares about Satoko and that he can solves the problem by himself; he doesn’t consult his friends or any adults properly (not about the murder), and more importantly he certainly doesn’t consult the primary concerned, Satoko --- something the narrative reproach him, and in the end 'punish' him for in how he completely wreck his relationship with Satoko and ultimately even fail to protect her at all, when that was the goal in the first place.

In Yoigoshi, the killer, Yae, IS the abuse victim. Unlike Tatarigoroshi, she’s the one with the agency deciding to carry out the murder because she feels she has no other ways of escaping. Neither of these are ‘better’ than the other per se, but that’s an important distinction, because Tatari puts into perspective the thing Keiichi’s murder really does in the end is denying Satoko’s input and agency as the victim and dismissing her own feelings on the circumstances; something a lot of people tends to do in these situations, thinking they already have the whole thing figured out without actually listening properly to what the primary concerned feels and what they want to do.

The second point is the entirety of Minagoroshi. Tatari has the benefit of proposing an actual alternative on the murder, and by doing so emphasis it has to be done with 1. the help of a community; even with the system failing Satoko badly, the story says there’s still hope in relying and working with people he trusts. 2. It finally let Satoko have agency and highlight her feelings as the victim; SATOKO is the one who has to makes the final decision to leave her abuser, to tell the social services that she’s abused. No one can makes that for her, and this is what saves her. In the end, the others can offers her help, but SHE’S the one who has to save herself.

But Yae, on the other hand? Yoigoshi doesn’t have a ‘Minagoroshi’; the only alternative Yae is offered is that she should’ve... just trust that her abuser was going to be ‘better’ now, because he said so and found a job he hasn’t even started yet. That she should just believe he was going to stop hitting her; despite the fact even in the brief scenes we're shown with them together before his death he's still seen as having to actively force himself to not be violent with her. No community or support is offered to her; she vaguely mentions having friends from college but she never seems to be in contact with them, we're told nothing about her family, or about having any kind of support network who could help her, really; we’re told she thought about leaving, but the story never really explore that more that it. Yae’s only alternative to murder is just... to blindly hope that her boyfriend was truly going to 'change.' (I suppose you *can* make an argument the story say it was just the murder that was bad and that she could’ve left him afterwards, but it’s never hinted at anywhere, be it in them manga or the VN). And there's nothing offered of the sort a the end of the story once she committed the murder either, except for her going to prison.

Tatarigoroshi/Minagaroshi and Satoko’s original arc are very important to me and ones of my favorite aspects of Higurashi.

I’ve seen criticisms of it because of how passive Satoko seems to be in them, only being there to be ‘saved’ --- hell, even Ryukishi himself said last year GouSotsu had kind of been written because he wanted to give her more spotlight because she felt too much like a ‘damsel in distress.’ There are some ideas and premises about GouSotsu I do enjoy and respect, and Satoko never having a proper spotlight in the original Higurashi is a fair criticism, but calling her a ‘damsel in distress’ actually annoys me, because as I’ve said here, she was anything but; she’s an abuse victim whose story is entirely about how her agency should be prioritized and how in the end she’s the one who saved herself, and I’ll always cherish how much Higurashi consistently make a point  in saying and showing that she is genuinely a very strong and brave person.

And Tatarigoroshi/Minagoroshi is able to do all this all while acknowledging that yes, generally, murder and violence are wrong, but even in Tatarigoroshi the narrative never entirely blame Keiichi for coming to this solution --- and that's pretty clear in how it treats Satoshi too, whose situation was pretty much the same as Yae’s, and who is offered a lot more compassion and understanding on the matter, here too emphasizing that even if he did murder his aunt it was only because he was a child everyone around him failed and that he felt he had no other options.

Yae Towada’s story /should/ have been more like this, because in the end what she did was very similar to what Satoko did. She saved herself, the only difference being that there was no community to help her out like Satoko had, and so she had no other choice but to resort to violence.

The story does makes a point in saying she’s determined and, in some way, a strong person, but it seems to be mostly there as a weak attempt to parallel Rena, and the attention focus more on the fact that she made a ‘mistake’ that she has to pay for at the end. What Yae was led to do is definitely a sad thing, but one that was done out of desperation; and as it is, the framing only makes it seems like the narrative’s punishing her for this, when just like Satoshi it certainly should not be something she should be blamed for.

#Higurashi no Naku Koro ni #Higurashi #Yae Towada #Yoigoshi #Satoko Houjou #Yoigoshi-hen #Houjou Satoko #Towada Yae #Abuse #Tatarigoroshi #Domestic Abuse #Connan's Ramblings #Long Post #Higurashi When They Cry #Minagoroshi #Connan's Posts #Putting it out there too cause why not

[internationalplayboysdotcom]

mion please kill her fucking uncle please

#higurashi #tatarigoroshi #this chapter is hell

[annebrontesrequiem]

Continuing the friend Higurashi watching saga, Tatarigoroshi hen (Curse Killing Arc) is hardly my favorite - I like the Atonement arc - but it still manages to get to me every time.

The tragedy of how Keiichi loves his friend so much he’s willing to kill for them, but still cannot trust them or any of those around him is heartbreaking. He is still a child, one who realizes in the worst possible way how the adult world can fail you. And yet he refuses to be complacent.

Yet that refusal is not heroic, it is only tragic. Teppei’s death is a tragedy because Keiichi has lost his innocence, his sanity, himself.

It just gets to me

#feeling emotional again tm #and this is the arc I’m on in the VN haha #higurashi #tatarigoroshi #keiichi maebara #bern speaks

[lesbokyoko]

嫌だ

嫌だ

嫌だ!!!!!!

#satoko houjou #houjou satoko #higurashi #higurashi no naku koro ni #higurashi when they cry #art stuffs #guess what i've been reading recently #tatarigoroshi hit really close to home for me #i love you satoko my little baby #wanted to try something different with this one #used colors i'm not as comfortable with #and pseudo-cell shading

[dawn-in-the--adan]

higurashi no naku koro ni: tatarigoroshi-hen (curse killing arc) vol. 1 - 2

#higurashi when they cry #higurashi no naku koro ni #higurashi #satoko houjou #rika furude #ryukishi07 #manga #horror manga #manga cover #manga covers #tatarigoroshi-hen #adan posts

[ihearasound]

God this scene was so chilling, and so good. Tatarigoroshi gives A LOT of hints at how emotionally mature and perceptive Rena is, but this one scene really drives it home how important her friends are to her. And then the voice acting REALLY made the scene come together

#jay plays tatarigoroshi #tatarigoroshi spoilers #so far the writing in this chapter is my favourite by far #its just so good. it hits every time

[onewholivesinloops]

Something I really love about Tatarigoroshi is that, at the end of the day, the conflict isn't as simple as "murder is bad" (even though this is true and the series makes as much clear countless times) because the idea Keiichi has that he's willing to do whatever he personally thinks is best to save Satoko from her abuse, even if she ends up hating him for it and it makes her miserable is questionable, to say the least, because with it he overrides her agency when Satoko gets to have no say in Teppei's murder and she's also forced to live with the guilt of being what pushed him to go this far without her consent, something Keiichi is evidently punished for at the end of the arc when Satoko who's reached L5 ends up misunderstanding the situation and thinking he's responsible for the deaths of Takano, Irie, Ooishi and Rika (the latter of which being the one that serves as the breaking point that results in Satoko hating Keiichi and being so afraid of him to the point of pushing him off the bridge to protect herself). Then Minagoroshi comes and addresses this and Satoko's issues through not just its build-up of the exploration of her internalized helplessness and depressive mindset caused by her guilt from being too dependent on Satoshi as a shield from her abuse, which wore him out and led to him "abandoning her", but also how Rika relates to it through her own experience, then Rika who's her best friend and the closest person to her directly approaches her about this and gets her to work through all of it with her speech, as it's the biggest barrier that stands in their way of saving her. Through all this there’s a big emphasis on the fact that you can't force help on someone and all you can do is reach out your hand and wait for them to reach theirs back. Keiichi and the club don’t end up imposing a solution on Satoko the way he did in Tatari, because she needs to stop considering strength synonymous with self-sufficiency when true strength is not giving in to misfortune, confronting your worst fears and seeking help from others which she ends up doing by herself after coming to find out all the things they did to save her and how Rika, who struggles with similar issues, ended up overcoming them. They’re not overriding her agency either because even though they get the help of the entire village the story makes it more than clear that all of this is for naught if Satoko herself doesn't end up reciprocating. 

I think this is a really important kind of story to tell and really resonates with me on a personal level because most of the time you really can’t try to just force victims of abuse out of their abusive environments the way Keiichi does in Tatari; only after providing them with your full support and love you can hope for them to realize that what they’re going through is unhealthy and isn’t okay and something they should strive to find the strength to escape from by seeking help from others. It’s not enough for one side to reach out their hand, both need to do that for them to touch.

#sorry i recently reread tatarigoroshi and minagoroshi so i'm in the mood to talk about them #higurashi #gamo.txt

[rosycheekies]

Higurashi no Naku Koro ni - Tatarigoroshi-hen by Ryukishi07

#higurash no naku koro ni #higurashi no naku koro ni - tatarigoroshi-hen #higurashi #when they cry #tatarigoroshi-hen #pastel pink #pink #pinkcore #pink manga #horror manga #manga #manga cap #miyo takano #takano miyo #ryukishi07

[evendrierguys]

ryukishi07 inserting the most horrible and uncomfortable and poorly-aged humour you've ever seen into what is otherwise the most compelling and emotional and thematically rich story you've ever read

#.rtf #i'm only 2 arcs into higurashi (started tatarigoroshi yesterday) but dear god i wish it wasn't so hard to recommend. #on one hand. the atmosphere? the mystery? the horror? the way the initial lighthearted tone collapses into tension and dread? #the themes of unity and alienation and fate and the consequences of miscommunication as well as the spectre of japanese nationalism? #all so brilliant. showstopping. incredible. already doing so much to my brain chemistry #but it's also a saw trap where you have to wade through so many ''''funny'''' perv pandering scenes with these literal children to get it. #it's worse knowing r07 is a former social worker with some strong thoughts on child abuse he put into his own work bc like. #self-awareness? can we PLEASE spare some self-awareness sir?

[villapaitapeli]

Finished reading Yoigoshi-hen and I'm too tired to make a coherent post of it so here are some notes I made along the way. Negative stuff is mostly just nitpicks and I liked the arc overall 👍

The addition of Miyuki, changing the mc and differing ends make the reading experience worthwhile even if you've read the manga

Arakawa works as a MC surprisingly well, they toned down his comic relief -ness and fleshed his character but he still feels like the same failguy from the manga

My boy Akira however was kinda done dirty and ends up being kind of annoying and pathetic and not even in a funny way. The voice they picked for him also doesn't help, he sounds kinda dweeby and not sadboy enough

The arc is based on a weird fragment, which is apparently Tsumihoroboshi gone wrong + Tatarigoroshi, since K1 (and Shion for some reason??) thinks he can curse people.

The above is probably because they wanted to make it Really Clear that it was Arakawa's dad interviewing K1 in Tatarigoroshi epilogue, which is just unnecessary imo. They could've just mentioned that Arakawa's dad interviewed the survivors (just not K1 this time because he's dead) and drowned later and readers would've connected the dots (and also realized that K1's "curse" is just a coincidence)

Milfon hot

Was this supposed to be read before answer arcs? If so it's a poor choice since there are so many supernatural elements that can muddy the waters. Many of the console arcs suffer from this, spoiling the mysteries and twists of the original in the content that's supposed to be read along the original arcs

#did they think people forgot about tatarigoroshi epilogue #because if someone did they didn't read it in the first place A+ kino higu moment #mryyy #when they mryyy

[orangedoorhingeinstorage]

My honest reaction to Irie Kyosuke

#higurashi #higurashi no naku koro ni #I love the scene where shoots himself in the head in Outbreak #Reading through Tatarigoroshi now and GOD