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9w1ft · 1 year

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You and I exchanged some ideas via anons a while back about a new way of thinking about Getaway Car. Basically Taylor has been calling herself a robber and bandit since reputation. And her Lover was also a robber/bandit. In Cowboy Like Me she talks about finding someone else who is a bandit like her and they unexpectedly fall in love. But then in the infamous line in ITTG, she says basically I’ thought you were a twin from my dreams (cowboy like me), but you were a crook who was caught.’ And the idea was that the problem here is not with her lover being a crook, it the fact that she was caught. And in Getaway Car we have them being Bonnie and Clyde (basically lovers who were also bank robbers) and Taylor takes the money and the getaway car and leaves her lover behind (turned her in), presumably to be arrested or caught. And we can connect this to Afterglow where she put them in jail for something they didn’t do. The suggestion here is that Taylor thought Karlie was a cowboy like her and could beard and swindle the public and get away with these “crimes” too because they were playing the same games. But she didn’t realize until later that Karlie’s situation was not the same. In some way. Your opinion was that this was representing the beginning of love blackout from Glitch. Taylor left the public relationship behind and Karlie was the one to face the consequences.

Today I was thinking about Hits Different, and again Taylor calls her self an outlaw, but it’s not romanticized here. An asshole outlaw. She always skips town like an asshole outlaw, which is basically an exact parallel to her stealing the getaway car, leaving behind her crook partner in crime to be caught. But this time it hit different. This song is about her in the past being able to leave behind her partner in crime when the going got tough, but this time she can’t move on, it’s too devastating. Which could just mean what the straightforward meaning to the song is, that this relationship is so different, she couldn’t just leave when things got tough. But we know that this isn’t really Taylor’s MO throughout her life. Particularly with the love that’s attributed to Jake and Harry, she certainly wasn’t able to just move on. Those supposedly were on and off for a long time with her pining after them and not getting over it for years. It does fit Calvin and Tom of course, but that is just a tiny part of her history. But if we look at it purely through a gay lens, and looking at major themes of her lyrics since Afterglow, with Peace, Coney Island, so many songs from Midnights, she’s apologizing for and regretting putting her image and career first, and specifically apologizing to Karlie for so much that happened because of this attitude.

Whether you think it’s all about a fake feud and love blackout, or you think it’s her regretting breaking up with Karlie and just publicly ignoring her existence while she mourned the loss, it all really fits.

gosh, getaway car is really appreciating like a fine wine, isn’t it?? someday i want to revisit its place in the rep tour setlist and think about it’s function there.

if tumblr ever allows me to find my own damn post i’ll reblog what we talked about before!

aha. here it is. and here’s the original post that prompted you to send the ask

#thank you for this follow-up!#i love this take on hits different

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septembersghost · 1 year

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The parallels between ootw and tvfn is also a very intriguing and seems almost intentional. Like if tvfn was written first why would she use those parallels to describe a guy who was polar opposite to jake. If jake introduced her to Polaroids or had Polaroid memories with him I think Taylor somehow would have sneaked those references at least in the short film.She even showed the guitar he gave her. She made CIWYW lyric video cover Polaroid and mentioned it in NYD because she and joe shared some fondness for it.

Take me away to you//take me home . I also read an article were Julien brunnetta(?) said harry was adamant about calling iicf 'if I could fly ' instead of 'for your eyes only.' Also on the childish thing,wasn't 1d releasing tvfn style pop music in their first two albums. It looks like she is trying to link him with pop like the way she used 'guitar' works for dear john.

But who knows.......maybe we're wrong maybe not. Its not like Taylor would come and say tvfn is about jake/harry/connor. I think it's ok to have different opinions on art unless you are crossing the line

I think it's ok to have different opinions on art unless you are crossing the line agree, and most of us (and everyone i've discussed music with here on my blog, i appreciate you all very much!) do tackle these concepts and subjects with genuine care for her, and respectfully, i think. we're not wildly spinning or fabricating, we're just having fun looking at the known information and the lyrical pictures she paints, and wondering about why she chooses to depict certain situations in specific ways!

part of analysis is laying pieces out and deciding for ourselves where they fit and how they tell the story. and as i've said, we also then make them completely our own with personal meaning! that's the magic of it all, it's her story however she intended it, and then it's part of us and our memories too. <3

(i'm only putting these under cuts because i talk a lot lol)

this is kind of topic adjacent, but it's very warm to me how she's reclaimed and reconnected to things, both on her own, and with joe and the love they've built and that healing process. the rep polaroids are so special.

the typewriter reference is such a powerful metaphor in the atw short film, the fact that he would give her an instrument that she then uses to write the story down, and to make it hers and her legacy, and i love how that connects directly to the guitar. little lived-in flourishes like that are part of what makes it affecting.

it's definitely interesting that there's no mention of polaroids specifically elsewhere on red (or photographs even? *except* the photo album on the counter where he's a little kid with glasses). there are so many other tangible pieces - lockets and keychains and handwritten notes and scarves. but it's like she keeps the pictures in her own mind. which, for me, also speaks quite a bit to maroon, the bruise of it, and the way she looks back at that.

"for your eyes only" is a famous song by sheena easton from a james bond movie of the same title, i always just though maybe there was a conflict! but you're right: "Songwriter Julian Bunetta talked to Rolling Stone about hearing If I Could Fly for the first time, stating "I remember when Harry first played it to me. That one I didn't write, but I remember when I first heard it. We were in Westlake Studio for a week. I kept asking why he wanted to call it 'If I Could Fly.' It's a great song, so it doesn't really matter what it's called, does it?" it's something i personally love about that song, that its title is its first line, and that while it isn't repeated, it shifts the meaning in a way. because the center isn't the intimacy shared with the other person - for their eyes only - it's the longing to go back to them. (full disclosure, if i could fly is, like, my second favorite song of their entire catalog, so i have Feelings.) it makes that lyric poignant and particularly vital - which is exactly why the similar one caught my attention in the very first night.

it does intrigue me that there seem to be links between tvfn and ootw, and of course taylor does repeat themes that aren't connected, or take on different meaning in new situations, so i don't want to make random parallels between completely unrelated things (unlike some genius annotators haha), BUT it's a case where i find it quite magnetic emotionally, because either that's intended, or she entirely reframed her experiences from one to the other. both are interesting to consider!

i think it's a pretty common opinion that hygtg itself is a nod to 1D's early music stylistically, and while tvfn is very tayloresque, sonically it wouldn't be out of place alongside tracks on take me home. message in a bottle definitely would too, it's classic pop of the early 2010s (complimentary!). like i said, it's just such a sweet pop song and she wasn't really pointing that type of innocent reminiscence at jg, everything with him is more mature and emotionally loaded. we for sure could be wrong on this one, but it doesn't make the connections less curious!

#anonymous #letterbox #haylor #i feel like these posts should always have the (artistic) sticky note

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bisluthq · 9 days

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Ok so I’m lowkey spiraling because I feel like so many of the songs i interpreted to be about Joe or a ton of the folklore/evermore songs (ttds, cowboy like me, cardigan, august, the love triangle, etc) people are saying to actually be about matty. Even rep and lover songs?? Like idk I just struggle to believe she was so in love with Joe but fantasizing/emotionally cheating on him w matty the whole time? But then in fresh out the slammer she says “all those nights you kept me going/swirled you into all of my poems” which very much seems to be her communicating to him through her music (songwriting = poetry). AND I’ve discovered the countless amount of lyrical parallels made between the last ten years of Taylor and the 1975’s music…so idk. I’m just so confused. Maybe I’m taking it personal because I love Taylor’s Joe songs and loved their relationship at one point always believed that it was a beautiful love but now it seems like my life is a lie?? Idk lmao

I think a lot of those things can be true dude. She wrote a ton of beautiful things for Joe. She also wrote fictional things lol (inspired by feelings for sure but fictional!!!) and TDDS is kinda weird fanfic about her and the non child abusing Drew, not about Matty lol. Don’t spiral. Joe and Taylor were very cute but they had a lot of problems (which we heard about from REP onwards) and then Matty came back into the picture and managed to convince her it’s the real deal this time, which I think he also believed when he said it, like?? That’s what happened lol. We don’t need to retcon songs for Matty. She loved both guys, in different ways. That’s genuinely okay. It’s not like a grand love story for a character but she’s not a character. She’s a real life person and highkey messy as shit.

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old-childhood-drama · 3 years

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Taylor Swift and Joe Jonas Masterpost (Toe/Jaylor)

Before dating (May 2008)

We start with the Taylor lookalike

In May 2008 the Jonas Brothers are filming their music video for Burnin’ Up [x]. Joe’s love interest in it is played by a blonde girl who looks quite a bit (and she’s also styled) like Taylor Swift, for reference, this is the music video that has Selena Gomez as Nick Jonas’ love interest.

As far as we know they hadn’t even met so we don’t know exactly what this was supposed to mean, maybe Joe had a crush on Taylor or maybe it’s a coincidence.

We do know that Nick and Selena were dating when this was filmed and that by the time the MV was released (July 4th, 2008) Joe and Taylor were officially dating.

Toe is alive! (July 2008 – September 2008)

On Tour

Fans claim to have seen Taylor around the tour in early July, which matches with Taylor’s lyrics in "Last Kiss".

Last Kiss. Taylor Swift.

I do recall now the smell of the rain

Fresh on the pavement, I ran off the plane

That July 9th, the beat of your heart

It jumps through your shirt

On July 14th, Taylor and The Jonas Brothers perform “Should’ve Said No”[x] from her debut album, and this performance now forever exists in their 3D movie (a classic), a cute fact is that some fans have said that Taylor tripped when she first came out, so they had to repeat it for the movie.

On July 20th Joe flies to Wyoming to watch Taylor opening up for Rascal Flatts, and they flew back and she was spotted at the Omaha show.

She’s seen in a couple shows more and she joins the stage again for their Madison Square Garden shows in August [x]. They sing “Even now just looking at you feels wrong”.

They’re together but they’re not together.

For more context, we must remember that Taylor was a very new artist from a small label and The Jonas were pretty much at their peak and Disney’s biggest act, and they were managed like crazy and could never even think about being seen with someone in a romantic way. Any rumors were denied so fast, and Disney did the absolute most to keep it secret. So according to everyone they were just good friends, at the time both Taylor and Selena were annoyed by all the secrecy.

Now back to the timeline:

Taylor is backstage of the tour A LOT for the next couple of weeks right next to the other not-girlfriends Selena and Danielle.

She films a cameo for the “Love Is on Its Way” [x] video for the concert in New York. She was said to be only interested in hanging out with Joe and they were seen hugging *gasp* I know it doesn’t seem like much now but back then this was the hottest gossip and again the Jonas were not supposed to breathe near any human of the opposite gender.

Taylor and the Jonas were staying at the same hotel a bunch of rumors ensued, but I will not talk about the whole Olympics and Toe locking themselves in a room at midnight thing. If it’s real, we really needed to touch some grass and stop staying outside of people's rooms all night.

On August 17th Joe goes to Ryan Seacrest's show and denied that Taylor is his girlfriend in the best way a corporation like Disney can train you to deny something that’s true. Saying Taylor is “a great girl and I think anybody would be lucky to date her. I think anybody would love to go on a date with her.”

And Taylor tells People Magazine “He’s an amazing guy and anybody would be lucky to be dating him” Cinematic parallels.

Taylor is spotted in the back (in a mirror) of one of the Jonas youtube videos [x]. Basically, we all knew they were together.

The Central Park date (August 28th)

Now if you were a fan of either the Jonas Brothers, Selena, or Taylor you know this next part and it the iconic triple date of Central Park.

Again, this is kind of famous at this point and Selena has been quoted saying how awful it was because the boys were not allowed to be seen with them so they all went to Central Park (Selena’s first time in Central Park) and Taylor and Selena walked about 20 feet of distance from the guys so nobody would think they were together but we all already knew because it wasn’t like they were that good at hiding it and there are pictures of them together that night (the clownery of it all).

These backstage tour adventures are the reason Taylor and Selena are friends today and in Selena’s own words the best thing to come out of those relationships.

VMAs (September 2008)

With how many pictures of them together that night [x] [x] [x] exist you would think they had gone together as a couple but no just two besties! The 2008 VMAs are so the show where Russell Brand mocks the Jonas Brothers and their purity rings and Taylor publicly defends them.

Toe seems happy for the rest of September but as we know now the end is near.

The Break-Up (October 2008)

Social Media was different back then and Taylor did what every teen girl with a broken heart did in 2008 and she went to myspace with an edited post to make a statement about the Toe current situation.

Post-Breakup

The 27 seconds Joe Jonas will regret for the rest of his life.

Taylor went on Ellen and I don’t even think I need to say much this interview is THAT iconic she sat on that couch and told the world exactly how Joe had broken her heart in the following two quotes:

“There’s one that’s about that guy, but…that guy’s not in my life anymore unfortunately. That guy…that’s an ouch.”

“I’m not even gonna be able to remember the boy who broke up with me over the phone in 25 seconds when I was 18…it was like 27 seconds, that’s got to be a record.” [x]

She also went on Ryan Seacrest’s and when asked about the perfect guy she saw an opportunity and took it, saying “I used to always say sense of humor, but I think that it’s important to have the same kind of sense of humor. I have a really dry, sarcastic sense of humor and if somebody doesn’t think that my sense of humor is funny, then that’s not something that is good. Um, so sometimes you know, that can be a wrong match. If they’re not allowed to go in public with me, that’s sort of an issue too.” [x]

Bonus the amazing youtube video Taylor posted with Joe’s Camp Rock doll and how he comes with his own phone to break up with other dolls [x]. Taylor eventually went full out and cited Camilla Belle (then girlfriend of Joe) as the reason for the breakup. And you know someone at Disney’s PR office wanted to die when this was going down.

So finally, Joe was forced to acknowledge the whole situation with a Myspace post:

"I never cheated on a girlfriend. It might make someone feel better to assume or imply I have been unfaithful, but it is simply not true. Maybe there were reasons for a breakup. Maybe the heart moved on. Perhaps feelings changed. I am truly saddened that anything would potentially cause you to think less of me. For those who have expressed concern over the "27 second” phone call. I called to discuss feelings with the other person. Those feelings were obviously not well received. I did not end the conversation. Someone else did. Phone calls can only last as long as the person on the other end of the line is willing to talk. “

Forever & Always

Now this song is known as THE Toe song and it was born out of the end of the relationship when she felt Joe was getting distant, but she couldn’t do anything to help it, it was made really late into the production of Fearless so she had to rush to finish it in time (so no other breakup songs are about Joe in the original album).

Forever & Always Was I out of line? Did I say something way too honest, made you run and hide Like a scared little boy I looked into your eyes Thought I knew you for a minute, now I’m not so sure

In the 2009 Grammy's Taylor and Miley (insert The Ex-Girlfriends Club Theory here) performed Fifteen (obviously not about Joe) and the Jonas were in the audience. I believe this is probably around the time Taylor writes Mr. Perfectly Fine and You All Over Me, which we know get to have thanks to Fearless (Taylor’s Version) 13 years later.

You All Over Me

The best and worst day of June

Was the one that I met you

With your hands in your pockets

And your 'don't you wish you had me' grin

But I did, so I smiled, and I melted like a child

Now every breath of air I breathe reminds me of then

Mr. Perfectly Fine

'Cause I hear he's got his arm 'round a brand-new girl

I've been pickin' up my heart, he's been pickin' up her

And I never got past what you put me through

But it's wonderful to see that it never phased you

In November of 2009, she also goes to SNL and mocks Joe in her monologue. "You might think I'd bring up Joe That guy who broke up with me on the phone But I'm not gonna mention him *rolls eyes* In my monologue [Spoken:]Hey Joe, I'm doing real well, tonight I'm hosting SNL [Sings:]But I'm not gonna brag about that In my monologue [x]"

To make things even more dramatic and very awkward The Jonas Brothers, Demi Lovato, and Taylor Swift spent NYE together watching the ball drop on TV and this was probably not how they wanted to start their years. [x] [x] [x] and a video [x]

Now let’s discussed some of the songs that came out at the time. The Jonas response to Forever & Always was Much Better. Nick described it as a song that was very personal to Joe and Joe went on to say that it was based on his very interesting year. They also at some point wanted to pretend the song was about their love for their fans but come on. Joe also changed the lyrics from ‘superstar’ to ‘country star’ and later changed it to ‘movie stars’ when he broke up with Camilla who is the ‘Much Better’ girl from the song.

Much Better - Jonas Brothers

I get a rep for breakin’ hearts

Now I’m done with superstars

And all the tears on her guitar

I’m not bitter

But now I see

Everything I’d ever need

Is the girl in front of me

She’s much better

Taylor’s iconic response in Better Than Revenge seems to be more of an attack on Camilla. She’s spoken about her regret for this song since then and hasn’t played it in years and Camilla seems to be ok we never forgiving her for it [x] [x]. Regardless this song remains a staple of the genre ‘Feminism OFF, Bops ON’.

“I was 18 when I wrote [“Better Than Revenge.”] That’s the age you are when you think someone can actually take your boyfriend. Then you grow up and realize no one can take someone from you if they don’t want to leave”. - Taylor 2014.

Better Than Revenge - Taylor Swift

Let's hear the applause (Come on, come on)

Come on, show me how much better you are

(So much better, yeah?)

See you deserve some applause

'Cause you're so much better

She also released "Last Kiss" about the nicer part of their relationship, and some believe other songs such as If This Was a Movie, Haunted (Speak Now) and Jump Then Fall (Fearless) are about Joe. From the Jonas, the other song believed to be about Taylor is Paranoid (Lines, Vines and Trying Times).

Jump Then Fall

Well, I like the way your hair falls in your face

You got the keys to me

I love each freckle on your face, oh

I've never been so wrapped up, honey

Probably a song was written about and in the early days of their romance and the long hair freckles [x] thing definitely fits 2008 Joe.

If This Was a Movie

Baby, what about the ending?

Oh, I thought you'd be here by now

Thought you'd be here by now

According to some this song is a sister song to "Last Kiss" in the same album and that is confirmed to be about Joe.

Haunted

Come on, come on, don't leave me like this

I thought I had you figured out

Something's gone terribly wrong

Won't finish what you started

This song would be a sister to Forever & Always since Taylor described both to be about a relationship that was fading in the end and that she was confused as to how they got there in the first place.

"‘Haunted’ is about the moment that you realize the person you’re in love with is drifting and fading fast. And you don’t know what to do, but in that period of time, in that phase of love, where it’s fading out, time moves so slowly. Everything hinges on what that last text message said, and you’re realizing that he’s kind of falling out of love. That’s a really heartbreaking and tragic thing to go through because the whole time you’re trying to tell yourself it’s not happening. I went through this, and I ended up waking up in the middle of the night writing this song about it.” Taylor

Friendlier days are coming (2010- )

I guess time can heal a lot of wounds and Toe is seen hugging and on friendly terms at the Clive Davis party on January 31st of 2010 [x].

The world was so shocked when we realized that Joe went to see her perform in a couple of her shows in September 2011 [x] [x], and in here Holy Ground is born about her new evaluation of their former relationship rather than the bitterness of the breakup. The lyrics' secret message is “when you came to the show in SD” and the potential parallel to "Last Kiss".

Holy Ground - Taylor Swift

We blocked the noise with the sound of ‘I need you’

And for the first time I had something to lose

And I guess we fell apart in the usual way

And the story’s got dust on every page

But sometimes I wonder how you think about it now

And I see your face in every crowd…

… Tonight, I'm gonna dance

For all that we've been through

But I don't wanna dance

If I'm not dancing with you

Last Kiss - Taylor Swift

I do remember the swing of your step

The life of the party, you’re showing off again

And I roll my eyes and then

You pull me in

I’m not much for dancing

But for you I did

They're seen talking in the MTV's EMA's 2012 [x].

From here they seem to be friendly and in May of 2015 after the Billboards. They even go on a double date later that year with Gigi Hadid, Calvin Harris, and Karlie Kloss (this picture feels so cursed). Nick and Joe get invited to Taylor’s 4th of July party and they seem somewhat distant after his split from Gigi.

Present (2020- )

In 2020, we got the amazing surprise of folklore with the song ‘Invisible String’ that makes a reference to Taylor’s past songs about exes being harsh and how she sent Joe and his wife Sophie Turner a present for their baby girl’s birth. In 2021, she has now released the re-recordings of Fearless and we are all reliving the drama and enjoying the chaos of Taylor’s and Sophie’s friendship not letting Joe know peace for those 27 seconds over a decade ago.

Invisible String

Cold was the steel of my axe to grind

For the boys who broke my heart

Now I send their babies presents

#Taylor Swift #fearless #fearless (taylor's version)#forever & always #mr perfectly fine #you all over me #last kiss #toe #jaylor #joe jonas #jonas brothers #folklore #invisible string #paranoid #much better #lines #vines and trying times #better than revenge

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caseyrose13 · 7 years

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Thank you.

Taylor Swift, this one is for you. I wrote this back in October when you celebrated the 10 year anniversary of your career, and this is my way of saying how much your presence and talent mean to me. I hope I can meet you one day and hope you enjoy this poem I wrote for you. I love you girl. 🖤 @taylorswift Yours truly, Casey Rose. Hello to you, my dear friend and cyber based big sis I have a few words for you, after meeting you ten years ago, And for how much you make me feel bliss Taylor Alison Swift, where do I even begin. From sparkles, surprises, and living parallel lives, To proving to everyone that women empowerment can truly win You are a typical star every girl dreams of being From your fashion sense, confidence, sweet manners, and lyrics It’s people like me and your fandom that feel life has so much meaning Ten years is a long time But if it weren’t for all your hard work and blessed talents I would’ve never been able to get through growing up without your clever rhymes It was ten years ago when god gave the world a precious gift Of a young woman born in 1989 And was destined to bring us all a little bit more uplifted I’ve always admired how relatable you are How every move you make in the studios and streets is perfection That even if you’re in your 20’s, your music expresses being a teenager at heart You value family, friendships, and fans the most You go out of your way to make a cancer diagnosed kid feel special inside Instead of inspiring kids and teenagers that it’s cool to do drugs on such a high dose On behalf of the fandom let me just say Though we’re far apart we’ll always give our real love And we’re thankful you reach out to us online and want say hey We’ve met internet friends from around the world because of you If anything we’re a fandom that always looks out for one another And for that we truly love you so Some fandoms are selfish to other ones, and some call people snakes But be proud to know yours spreads love and listens to one another I’ve never seen a fandom so sweet and one that knows how to properly handle hate The memories of laughter, albums, concert, awards and surprises, Are the ones I wish we could put on repeat This past decade with you has been a perfect fantasy Because of you I became a writer. Back in freshman year I was writing a sonnet and ran out of ideas, Until I looked and a colorful painting and thought of the line “we were in screaming color” I’ve grown up in the atmosphere of acting and musical theater. Emotions and love stories that never come out of the woods, Are reasons that make my soul meant to be a creator Just like you, when it comes to love I’m young and reckless I have the longest list of dashing ex lovers The rep I had in middle school was the same serial dater rep you have w/ the press I’ve made mistakes and dreamed of fairytale endings. I’ve jammed to too many break up records and watch too many chick flicks. And just like your 1989 era, the past year or so my heart has happily been dancing I’m thankful people like you exist. I love your clothes, friends, hair, and selfless acts When you die I will cry and I know an angel like you will surely be missed. You’re beautiful inside and out, You always put on a grammy winning show, You are part of the reason my happiness was found. You are mature, hardworking, smart and so loving to all, You’ve given warm hugs and all you fans kisses, Meredith and olivia are to die for your heart is anything but small Every performance you give you always 100% slay Every outfit and makeup product you own looks like it came from the runway Your super talented all these awards yet still so cute & awkwardly astray Your squad is goals and iconic all the same Our ears are blessed to hear your intelligent speeches and interviews You are so grounded and professional it’s almost insane The voice you have is soothing and satisfying I’m so proud that my icon is you And lucky that when needed at anytime, your music can release anxiety When it’s midnight on my sister’s bday, we’ll be singing the song 22 Dance around the kitchen and bake treats in our pjs Laugh away and hope all her wishes come true I have a whole playlist of 16 songs that’s titled Taylor Swift, With the anniversaries of red, speak now, 1989, and your very first album, I keep calling out to God lately, saying “long live this everlasting gift” A while ago I met some sweet girls from the fandom in an instagram DM chat They’re different and kind and spread joy from around the globe I love having a mini girl squad even if their time zone is 3 hours back Happy 10 years to a girl I love, Who will always be my friend even when traveling all over the world, I hope one day I can meet my idol and give her a big big hug. Happy ten years to charitable and giving soul, To someone who conquers those who hate Who stands up for herself, explores her curiosity, and is a grammy winning writer Happy ten years to the girl whos makes others smiles Who can relate to growing up as a young teenage girl And taught many that with cookies, close friendships, and the coolest cities, life can be worthwhile Happy ten years to a woman with an abundance of intellect A part time supermodel and the right gal to be those most influential Because of her people have met best friends they will never forget Taylor, I hope that I’ll be singing along to your albums ‘till im 40 But until then I’ll shed teardrops on my guitar out of joy And on this decade anniversary, made God bless you and all of your beautiful glory Stay goofy, stay yourself, and live life with no regrets Make your own decisions and take leaps of faith Through paparazzi and busy schedules, life is short, so let’s make the most of it I hope you will read this message some day And maybe reach out to me wanting to meet Allowing me to hug you in real life and whisper hey I love you, taylor alison swift, and I hope you do too After helping me feel comfortable and complete May we "long live" this moment, and Thank you.

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septembersghost · 1 year

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I was listening to HS To Be So Lonely (Fine Line): “Don't blame me for falling/ I was just a little boy/Don't blame the drunk calling/Wasn't ready for it all” Lol, for a minute saw a couple of TS’s Rep titles. Then “Don't call me baby again” part reminded me of TS Illicit Affairs (folklore) “Don't call me "kid"/Don't call me "baby"” Not implying any connection or theory, just thought it was funny (not the topic). Sad line that reads as a bitter endearment ref or a command for no contact.

never forgiving him for paying to be so lonely DUST, despite understanding why he chose not to play it often (and maybe didn't love the crowd singing "i'm just an arrogant son of a bitch" as loudly as possible akljdskljfsd), it's such a great song. one of my favorite little production elements ever is the sound of him striking and blowing out the match (i've probably said this before). i really like the emotional switch from, "don't you call him 'baby,' we're not talking lately, don't you call him what you used to call me" in cherry to "don't call me 'baby' again" in tbsl, the emotional arc from the hurt to the anger there is a lot (and turns to some measure of healing by sunflower). as i've mentioned before, there are very clear fingerprints/parallels between their lyricism and work that are totally unintentional, but have an interesting kinship in the way they express themselves and those feelings/circumstances.

"don't call me 'kid'" has been connected to casablanca too, which is so intriguing to me, especially as a contrast to such an iconic line of cinema ("here's looking at you, kid"), but post evermore/red tv/midnights, it speaks volumes about taylor's feelings of being used and belittled. (i wait by the door like i'm just a kid/you said if we had been closer in age maybe, it would have been fine, and that made me want to die/and if i was a child did it matter?) interesting too in regards to tbsl and "don't blame me for falling, i was just a little boy." the difficulty in sorting through those intense feelings and relationships when you're still so young.

Sad line that reads as a bitter endearment ref or a command for no contact. for sure, and i think it stands in many ways as both meanings respectively in those songs!

#anonymous #letterbox

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Another thing about ignoring lyric parallels is that we do it on the Gaylor side of the fandom. For example I know some people who just choose to ignore parallels between Peace and rep songs, and Renegade with CIWYW (if anyone tries to say this song is not a happy Kaylor song confirming they ran away together, I immediately ignore them and discount anything they have to say- so that’s useful,) because it doesn’t fit their perception of the current state of affairs. Kaylors do it too, of course.

I agree 100% with what you’re saying about just picking a narrative and choosing to focus on that and simply not worrying about the other side(s)’ arguments. It’s good to do fact checking for a while, but eventually it is exhausting and once you accept a certain “personal truth” things simply become easier and more clear. And then you can see more connections. And while this may seem like you are blinded by your beliefs, this is just the way things are in life. To give an example, you might spend a period of your life trying to figure out your political beliefs or religious beliefs or whatever, but once you decide, you don’t spend your valuable time trying to always see the other side. Instead you spend your time honing in on and enjoying and learning from those set beliefs. This makes kaylor sound like a cult, but it’s true of many things in life. Once you decide nazis are always bad, you do not have to spend a moment trying to give them time to prove themselves (I wish our media could understand that.) Scientists don’t spent any time trying to disprove Darwin’s theory of evolution by natural selection. But they do try to find new ways to confirm it. It’s important to keep an open mind and an eye toward being wrong, but it can’t be a constant task. Once I came to the conclusion to toe and Joshlie were not real relationships to something like 95% confidence, I chose to simply not focus on the 5% option any more than 5% of my time. It’s very peaceful over here.

you took so many of the words right out of my mouth!

i also see parallels in the process of getting older. there was this old buzzfeed listicle awhile back that was like, “your early twenties versus your late twenties” and one of the bullet points was something like ~being preoccupied by others perception of you versus overly feeling yourself~ and its probably a super basic feature of growing up but to this day it lives rent free in my mind

and now that i’m in my 30s i see it more as a 20s v 30s thing (and i’m sure when i’m in my 40s i’ll see it as an teens/20s/30s vs 40s thing).. that is to say that i think, we (particularly girls) are (usually) socialized to consider others perspective almost to a fault. part and parcel with “pleasing others.” i also think things like consistency and hypocrisy feel heavier when you’re younger. before you realize most of the world doesn’t really pay close attention to anything you do. it’s important to be aware that sometimes people can take advantage of the fact that you may care more than they do about maintaining things like objectivity and such.

so yeah like you said it’s important to be flexible and discerning, and it’s also important to form an opinion and keep living for yourself.

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Hello! So, I am a two muse theory doubter (yes read realistic Kay too a couple of times). Like, I want to believe. I have even tried to force it in my mind but it doesn’t take. The reason is - TMT fails to consider the fluctuations of emotional highs, lows, love and lust over the initial 2 year period of a relationship. Like, I am a semi profesh song writer with a muse. The variety of POV I write from are extensive. Life is an emotional pendulum and our experiences make it swing. On any given day, our perspectives and emotions can complete change for a given moment towards a muse. I can love my muse for the rest of my life but hate them with the same passion on any given day, go to my piano and write it into a song and feel indifferent to it later (the good and bad end up in songs). When I listen to Rep, it’s range of intensities I easily apply to my one muse. Taylor herself saying Dress, Delicate, CIWYW & NYD her true story on the album reads like she is just pointing to her average daily experiences with 1 muse. If Delicate is Joe & Dress is Karlie - Taylor separated her finding “love amongst the chaos” into loving two people in her true story. If you actually timeline those particular songs it’s Dress (a lustful hook up), to Delicate (wanting to make it official), CIWYW (the pressure of making it official) and NYD (the challenge of commitment). Unless “Dress” leads her to “Delicate”, why include it at all in her true love story line up? Like, was it a last minute attempt to hetsplain that song years after it came out?🤷‍♀️ by her including NYD in her true love story of Rep, it ties via the ‘squeeze my hand three times in taxi’ lines to cruel summers crying in the backseat lines (which is also the circumstantial vibe of CIWYW). The backseat crying lines of Cruel Summer ties to the Cornelia Street vibe (which Taylor writes later as a reflection of the whatever happened after the Delicate moment) which ties back to Delicate via the bar lines and forward later in time to Gold Rush via the creaks / wooden in the floor lines. I mean, all this says to me there is 1 muse of her true story - which could be Joe (but that cancels out the sapphic nature of dress) or Karlie (which means this illicit affair on joshy-boy really did happen somewhere between 100 and a million times). Tbh, I tend to believe the later. So you’ll be like okay what about LSS, Invisable String then fruitcake? (Fair call future sleuth haha). Or what about babygate and joshlie marriage?! Like, wbk that affair was at least long and messy AF. Folklore and Evermore were written last year and Lover period was fairly chaotic and clunky at best (presumably because of masters heist). Like, they MUST have broken up (FG, DBATC, Daylight, The 1, Cardigan saga, TIMT, Hoax, Peace, Exile, Coney Is, Evermore, RWYLM, CP, Happiness, TTDS). Like, they all have 1 muse energy of losing someone you love through messiness (could be joe🤷‍♀️ we’ll never know for sure). But many of these songs refer to a third person being involved which screams Joshlie to me because of ivy, illicit affair, the bitterness of “The Man”. Baby, you say? Like it’s pretty simple - Karlie went back to Josh, married him and had a baby and Taylor’s like “uhh, what a fucking joke” and processed it last year through writing two albums about it all. Invisable string, LSS - like these are both songs which come from a POV of self-reflection after hope is lost. Maybe reunited after preggo-gate? Maybe consolidated love after break up into friendship aka Dorothea? WB - quite simply - WB is the model to which Taylor writes about whatever she wants to (triangulation of desire). Good for her, great writing strategy. Is it a strategy needed? Well ya, but only if it’s born of having 1 muse and a very obvious story Taylor is trying to obscure. Like, come at me sleuth cuz I reallllly want to believe in two muse story. I wouldn’t even had bothered writing this if I didn’t. What am I missing?

Hey Sim here. So Nat broke protocol and sent me this one to answer because I too am a writer and I too at one point reached that point in the lyric analysis where I literally could not fathom any timeline I was hearing that made sense due to the connections in the lyrics between Reputation and Lover. I have a whole spreadsheet called “Car Bar Roof” where I’m just trying to make sense of a series of events through lyrics alone and I nearly drove myself crazy doing it.

With that being said, I want to give a disclaimer: Nothing wrong with you interpreting things your own way! I know Nat can come off kind of brash sometimes, but both of us are always hyper-aware that we are discussing what essentially amounts to a “Taylor Swift Is Gay” conspiracy theory and because it’s a conspiracy theory and we don’t know these people, no analysis is ever going to be 100% correct. If you don’t hear two muses on Rep, that’s totally fine! I’m sure we have some Toe/Swiftwyn readers who would agree with you there!

I do want to caution against relying entirely on lyric parallels to create a timeline, however. You’re going to dig yourself into a rabbithole that’s very hard to get out of. I think a lot of people don’t realize that Taylor has been using a lot of metaphors (especially the car and the bar) her entire career. It ends up being a big stretch to assume that just because two events in two different songs both take place in a car or a bar, Taylor is talking about the exact same moments. Like, let’s be real, how many times have any of us ever been in a car? Wouldn’t it be kind of ridiculous for a critic of our work to assume everything we write involving a car is about the same specific time we were in a car?

It is also incredibly easy to construct false narratives when you rely only on song analysis. I’ll give you an example using Taylor’s first high school boyfriend, Drew. Whether you believe it or not, he’s often cited as the inspiration for Tim McGraw. The song Tim McGraw has a variety of common themes with Taylor’s other work, the main ones being summer, dancing, the moon, a little black dress, a truck, a creek/river, and going back to school. If we follow song parallel logic, I could connect Tim McGraw to folkmore songs and, because of this, could say Taylor is still dating/writing about Drew from high school.

The little black dress in Tim McGraw is also mentioned in unreleased Live for the Little Things and The Other Side of the Door. In both Tim McGraw and Live for the Little Things, Taylor mentions a black dress and dances with her lover under the moon. A summer love that ends with going back to school can also be found in August, and Cruel Summer and August are very similar songs, in that both are about a summer love that can’t last and isn’t being taken as seriously by one person as another. The Other Side of the Door is almost the exact same premise of an ex at your doorway as I Almost Do, Dark Blue Tennessee, All You Had to Do Was Stay, and exile, meaning all those songs must be connected as well. Dancing with someone in the middle of the night can also be found in Everything Has Changed, 22, and Dancing With Our Hands Tied. As a bonus, trucks and dancing are also mentioned in Champagne Problems, which connects to Gold Rush, So It Goes, and Dancing With Our Hands tied through the use of the color Gold. So It Goes also mentions wearing black and meeting someone in the middle of the night. So all those songs have to be about Drew as well.

So here’s the narrative that makes: Taylor and Drew dated over a summer then broke up when he went back to school but at some point he came back to her door and they got back together. They mostly hung out in the middle of the night, driving around and dancing. Unfortunately, when he proposed, Taylor couldn’t say yes, and literally left him stranded on the dance floor and is now #foreveralone and writing folkmore to process these events.

To be clear, I don’t actually believe any of this. I don’t think anyone else does either, but since neither Taylor nor Drew have publicly interacted in over a decade, this can be easily disproved, despite the “obvious” way the songs connect. Taylor just likes certain themes. Cars and bars. Nature. The contrast of light and dark. Sparks and fire. I guarantee if you go over her unreleased songs and first two albums with the same fine tooth comb you’ve gone over Folkmore/Lover/Reputation/1989 with, you’ll find just as many lyric parallels, and it’s not because she’s only writing about one person.

Occams Razor tells me Kaylor’s not on good terms anymore. It also tells me Karlie and Josh are actually having a child together. From the outside, it looks like things have been bad since at least the Masters Heist, if not before, and the more digging we’ve done, the more evidence we find of that. Now, you don’t have to believe that if you don’t want to! As long as you don’t go around harassing people we’ve got no beef with you. Just know you’re always going to find song parallels to back up whatever you want because Taylor’s such a prolific songwriter who loves to use the same themes again and again. That’s just deductive reasoning, baby. Thanks for the discourse though! LMK if you wanna chat song analysis sometime!

#nat talks two muse theory #sim answers anons #nat talks lyrical interpretation

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