#tsukumojukumatsu

[sparklyjojos]

I’m not a great detective, I pay taxes,

#unlike tsukumojukumatsu the known Tax Offender #gotta love the consistency #maijo and jdc stuff #sparkly reads english tsukumojuuku

[jorgejoestarsstuff]

I'm interested in tsukumojukukato, I really want to scale him, after I read all the novels made by otaro (related to tsukumojuku) I managed to find that in tsukumojukumatsu it has unlimited hieraki and unlimited dimensions

#tsukumojuku

[drmedicsgamesurgery]

Tsukumojukumatsu by Otaro Maijo | Audiobook (Jorge Joestar Pre-Sequel Short Story) 

Song: 井戸端捜査② Edited and Read by Dr Medic Van Glickensberg

#jorge joestar #jdc #jojo #jojo's bizarre adventure #maijo and jdc stuff #tsukumojuku #tsukumojukumatsu #otaro maijo #maijo otaro

[sparklyjojos]

[Disco in his introduction:]  Everyone I meet always tells me “Stop acting like a living joke” at first, but ultimately, what’s the difference between my lifestyle and you guys’ lifestyle? I, too, pay my taxes; I, too, arrange my CDs neatly in order; and when I talk to the person next to me in the stands and see a fly ball that’ll obviously be a foul, I, too, shut up. That’s normal. No one can escape from that reality.

[Tsukumojuku in Tsukumojukumatsu:] Just like every other great detective in this world, I don’t exist in the sense that other people do—people who pay taxes, use the convenience store bathroom, and drink too much until they lose memory. The perfect being that is the great detective can only ever exist inside stories.

Still obsessed with Maijo’s concept of Great Detectives(TM)

So, as much as that first part of Disco Wednesdayyy is... questionable, I feel like it does have a goal beside just Being Awful. Disco starts off as a relatively normal human, a very much Not great detective, just some dude with horrible urges surrounded by the grim reality of non-beautified crime and death. More of a hardboiled detective, if you will, and so the narration also follows some... unfortunate tendencies of the hardboiled genre, especially in regards to gratituous violence and portrayal of female characters.

And then Mercury C shows up and the book does a 180. Suddenly, we’re in a typical shinhonkaku Great Detective book, with a strange murder in a strange house with strange people, with secret messages and wordplays. And everything is trying to forcibly drag Disco, thrashing and screaming, into being a Great Detective. The universe WILL make him do a dramatic explanation of the case, search for hidden meaning in words, and draw silly little diagrams for the reader’s convenience.

This isn’t the only time this conflict shows up in Maijo, either. It’s a constant theme that’s explored in different ways.

2003 Tsukumojuku tries his hardest to keep the comfort of being Just Some Guy, just a Tsutomu with a boring job and a family and bills to pay, and will deny being a Great Detective as long as he can. But just as Disco has to solve the Pine House, Tsukumojuku has to eventually solve the Cross House and embrace the hidden truth.

And the Disco-verse Tsutomu, a random guy from the sticks, would much rather be the Great Detective Tsukumojuku, this unrealistic concept who’s cool and smart, who doesn’t have crippling depression and doesn’t get kicked down the hall by his best friend.

ID:INVADED has maybe the most straightforward way of showing this conflict: there’s that messed up Narihisago guy who deals with horribly real violence and trauma, and there’s the young, smiling Great Detective Sakaido who deals with symbols. And that’s not even touching Fukuda, who’s a Sakai Tsutomu expy down to the self-lobotomy, 3 being A Wonderful Number, and “Tamotsu” being almost an anagram of “Tsutomu”. (Remember, ID:INVADED was at first called “Alien Thursdayyy” and was likely deeply connected to Disco.)

Then again, some characters are mostly comfortable just being Great Detectives, like Jorge, his Tsukumojuku, and the -matsu Tsukumojuku. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that they’re the closest to understanding Beyond. Jorge-verse Tsukumojuku is distraught when not being a Great Detective anymore, because that was what he’s always known and what gave him comfort. They all have this innate sense of Everything Having Meaning. From the very beginning they just know the world was made for them, and it’s so fascinating to compare their narration styles to someone like early Disco, who would never understand that.

God, I love Maijo sometimes.

#maijo and jdc stuff #the 'are you a great detective test': 1 do you believe everything has meaning 2 do you pay taxes

[sparklyjojos]

Hey i just finished reading Jorge Joestar and my mate recommended youre account to me if i had questions, so i really like the power/ability Beyond, so i was wondering do you know any other books with Beyond in it? Also i heard that there was a Jorge Joestar pre-sequal and was wonder if that was true. And is Tsukumojuku in any other books?

Aside from Jorge, Beyond prominently features in the short story Tsukumojukumatsu (2016)--I'll toss you a link to a translation in a sec. Beyond is also implied to exist in Tsukumojuku (2003), though the term isn't used.

The two works above happen to have Tsukumojuku as the narrator. He also shows up briefly and is somewhat plot-important in Disco Wednesdayyy (recently fan-translated to English). I've heard he's also in a short story called 短歌探偵縁起, but it was released in a small event pamphlet and is positively impossible to find.

And, well, Maijo's Tsukumojuku Kato is of course based on Juku Tsukumo, a major character from Ryusui Seiryoin's JDC series. They're not the same character, but Juku does have the whole "meta-reasoning" thing to an extent. He shows up in all the main series entries (Cosmic, Joker, Carnival, The Saimon Family Case), and in non-canon manga adaptations (Cosmic Comics, Extra Joker).

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As for Jorge Joestar's "pre-sequel", I wouldn't say there exists a true sequel or prequel (though technically Tsukumojuku mentions Jorge Joestar in Tsukumojukumatsu, so it might count?).

Tsukumojuku and Disco Wednesdayyy aren't prequels, more like... feature A LOT of similar themes as Jorge. I sometimes call these three a "trilogy" because of how they constantly interplay; reading one generally makes it easier to understand the others. They share a lot of recurring characters (like the Pinehouse detectives, the Nail Peeler, the Angel Bunnies, and ofc Tsukumojuku). All three have the same general vibes in terms of confusing space-time shenanigans, raw exploration of trauma, and the central detective case involving a Weird Geometric House.

#maijo and jdc stuff

[sparklyjojos]

Finished ID:INVADED and I may be biased here, but god, what a great anime that was, I still can’t believe Ido Sundays will no longer be a thing

Elements of note for the last episode:

1) THE MANGA REALLY IS A SEQUEL OH SHIT. So that’s what the mangaka meant by him & Maijo having to carefully adjust the manga’s plot not to reveal too much before the anime is done airing

2) The ending is a typical Maijo ending, with happiness reached through acceptance, hope and survival; rather than a sugary happy ending or the stereotypical “long-suffering protagonist finds peace in death” trope, everyone gains new hope to trudge on and live. (You could argue about Fukuda, but still.) (I wanted to write more about Maijo endings etc here but it would turn into an essay lol, maybe later)

2) Pictured: the first thing that made me yell. While it’s not what Narihisago means in context, I’m sure the way it’s phrased is supposed to make you think of Maijo/Beyond. Note how this knowledge is attributed not to being a member of Kura who logically knows there’s a team trying to get them out, instead it’s attributed to inherent knowledge of a great detective. (Also see the first episode’s “believing you have a role in this world”--that also was Great Detective Sakaido’s deep belief, not Well Diver Narihisago’s knowledge.)

3) Pictured: the second thing that made me yell, the mandatory EVERYTHING HAS MEANING / SUBETE NI IMI GA ARU. So now we got one in the manga AND one in the anime, nice! (”Her death means something too” hit me a lot personally, because it reminds me of late Tsukumojuku so much, especially about Tsukumojukumatsu. Guess Kiki/Kaeru really ended up being sort of a Tsukumojuku figure.)

4) Pictured: dear god, I do not even want to imagine what 2003 Tsukumojuku’s id well would be like.

#maijo and jdc stuff #id:invaded #id invaded #id:invaded spoilers #THIS WAS A TRIP AND I'M SO GLAD I WAS HERE FOR IT

[sparklyjojos]

I GOT TSUKUMOJUKUMATSU

AND OH BOY WAS THAT SOMETHING

I will maybe attempt to translate it, seeing as it's really short. Emphasis on "maybe" and “attempt”. I’m not sure how well that’d go, since there are references to stuff I haven't read, a lot of puns (of course) and changing personal pronouns.

Right now my reactions are the following [spoilers for this, Tsukumojuku and somewhat for Jorge Joestar]:

-- I am now emotionally messed up

-- "Fuck, I thought." ME TOO, TSUKUMOJUKU

-- *quietly adds 6 to the Dead Tsukumojukus Count*

-- considering how this Tsukumojuku talks about his different versions in this and other Maijo works ("various other mes having my name"), it seems they are all distinct people with different experiences and levels of meta awareness, but also they're all ‘Tsukumojuku’, er, conceptually? (Kinda like there are multiple different Karses in Jorge Joestar, but they're all 'Kars' and there's this thing where "that other 'me' counts as me", I guess?). So he's not that worried about seeing "his own" corpse -- it's him, but it's not him -- while considering the release of Tsukumojuku as the day he was born, despite likely having nothing to do with the plot of that book.

-- this Tsukumojuku seems aware of pretty much everything Maijo wrote, specifically mentioning Tsukumojuku, Jorge Joestar [see photo above], Suki suki daisuki cho aishiteiru, short stories in Faust, a Pluto O novel and the movie Neck. Similarly, he knows Otsuichi’s works, including Shousei Monogatari (highly relevant here) and The Book (another Jojo novel). Oh, and he knows that he's right now being written in a story called Tsukumojukumatsu meant to appear in a magazine Da Vinci.

-- remember that "waiting for death" pun from Seiryoin’s Cosmic? Maijo pretty much repurposed it here, and how

-- THE WORLD IS BEAUTIFUL. EVERYTHING HAS MEANING. *muffled sob*

-- tfw the narration suddenly switches from the familiar boku to ore and starts talking TO Tsukumojuku Kato and you realize that BEYOND HAS JUST BRIEFLY HIJACKED THE NARRATION TO RESPOND TO TSUKUMOJUKU OH GOD OH FUCK

-- (if you even count it as hijacking, considering that Tsukumojuku's narration is ALWAYS Beyond talking through him, seeing as, you know, one’s a character and the other’s his writer, they’re in a way inseparable)

-- the title Beyond is used towards both: 1) the guy writing Suki suki daisuki cho aishiteiru in 2003 that Tsukumojuku is observing (as in they exist physically in the same space), 2) the guy writing Tsukumojukumatsu in 2016, and so creating both this Tsukumojuku and the aforementioned 2003 Beyond as fictional characters. It's pretty clear from context that both Beyonds (one Beyond in different spacetimes?) here is meant to be Maijo, that narration-hijacking one being the real (?) Maijo, who is writing about his memories and so including his past self as a character in-story.

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...so. I'm wondering if the title Beyond in Jorge doesn’t refer to just Maijo. I mean, y'all know how much I love my pet theory about Kandai+Seijitsu+Shoujiki beyonding in Jorge Joestar, but it is a theory, and the only real advantage it had over Maijo-Beyond was the clear Trinity aspect. But now we have an explanation for how Maijo could be a Trinity, symbolically -- just like with Seiryoin in Tsukumojuku, Maijo here is the Father that created the world (the story), the Son he put in that world (the ‘Beyond’ that Tsukumojuku's observing), and the Spirit that inspires the world’s movement (is writing the plot). Then again, you could counter that his Trinity status wouldn't apply as neatly to Jorge Joestar. But then again, it’d be nice to think that K+S+S managed to completely get outside the fictional world and never made another one, which. Good for them.

Basically I have chaos in my head and once more realize that attempting to put the Maijo meta together in neat layers is about as doable as making a cohesive Zelda timeline (i.e. impossible, since the individual works are just loose variations on the topic with a lot of common grounds, and weren't meant to fit together to this degree).

this got rambly so here’s a jojo-posing godzilla to end with, yes this is relevant to the story

#maijo and jdc stuff #jorge joestar #jorge tag #I'm tagging this as jorge whatever #aaaaaaaaaa my mind is in disarray aaaa

[sparklyjojos]

a fun thing about Tsukumojukumatsu is how teensy the paragraphs are in comparison to the often multiple-page-long monstrosities in Tsukumojuku, it’s like Maijo didn’t know what the enter key was at first, but once he knew it he overcompensated by pushing it after every damn sentence

#maijo and jdc stuff #I'm not exaggerating when I say that the Nagoya monologue in the Third Story is a single paragraph spanning over 6 pages #who would win: tsukumojuku rambling for 6 pages or jorge solving map puzzle for 10

[sparklyjojos]

[pics source]

Today in DEEPEST LORE or “excuse me, Maijo wrote WHAT”:

This is the 5/2016 special issue of the magazine Da Vinci, focused on the series Osomatsu-san and the writer Otsuichi. It featured some short stories linking both topics, for example なごみ探偵おそ松さん・リターンズ (”Calming Detective Osomatsu Returns”) written by Otsuichi himself. But the most interesting feature was at once an Osomatsu story and a spinoff of Otsuichi’s 小生物語. It was written by Maijo Otaro and called 九十九十九松.

Yes, that can be read as “Tsukumojukumatsu”.

Yes, Tsukumojuku is in it.

And yes, it’s a seriously writtten work with a focus on meta, that’s apparently really good, at least judging by twitter reactions, esp. this series of tweets [jpn] (to quote, “it’s so good I can’t help but hug the magazine and cry” or “I shed tears and rolled on the floor a lot”.). It’s a very obscure story and I don’t think you can buy the electronic version anymore, or even find any online source recapping the plot, but the aforementioned tweets are already killing me all on their own, I mean, just look at this conclusion [vague translation as I obv don’t know the context for any of this] :

And so the great detective, the meta-detective, the godlike omnipresence, the possessor of the worldview capable of withstanding jumps through space-time, the one who can understand the Beyond's intention -- Kato Tsukumojuku (or maybe Osomatsu nii-san) -- is also able to look his own death in the eye, as in this world it’s a logical necessity for him to be killed.

JUST FUCK ME UP MAIJO

A lot of people on twitter consider the story to be a weird and funny romp, or think it’s cute/heartwarming, since it’s like one big love letter from Maijo to Otsuichi, and it seems that while the reason for Tsukumojuku being in this world really is for him to die (just like in Jorge Joestar if you think about it), he understands the intention behind it and that Maijo would rather bring out and kill his own beloved OC for the plot than Otsuichi’s character [I think? That’s what twitter told me, take it with a grain of salt.]

I don’t think Tsukumojuku specifically was ever called a meta-detective before, so this term being used towards him in this story gives me extra Feels. Especially since his powers in this seem to perfectly unite the powers of both Tsukumojuku (Beyond) and canon Juku (Jintsuuriki, i.e. can understand the intention of ‘the writer’).

(Also, according to the above cited person’s very enthusiasthic fan theory tweets, the Kato Tsukumojuku-related lore may even reach as far as Maijo’s debut Smoke, Soil or Sacrifices and works related to it so welp, I guess I have to read ALL the Nishi Akatsuki books now, pray for me)

There’s sadly very little non-twitter sources on 九十九十九松 that I could find. There’s this blog post [jpn], which aside from a quick joke (”seeing the title I was a litte afraid it’d have the Matsus turn out to have been conjoined sextuplets all along”) also provides this quote [note: Otsuichi’s real name is Adachi Hirotaka]:

どうして小生を殺す？ だって安達さんのキャラを殺したりしたくないじゃないか。ははは。

Why kill me?

It’s because you don’t want to kill Mr. Adachi’s character, isn’t it? Ha ha ha.

Er, Maijo? I believe your OC may be getting a little too self-aware there. I think you should run.

#maijo and jdc stuff #hcs meta and stuff #osomatsu san #when will the beyonds stop jumping fandoms and let me rest #god I'm still reeling from shock I honestly thought this was just some fandom joke but no it's an actual damn story that exists #I'll try to hunt down the electronic version but I highly doubt I'll be able to get it. sigh #btw I've never read or seen osomatsu I know exactly nothing about it #so you can imagine my utter confusion