Yumedanjo (夢ē·å„³)
As Iām sure many people know, the Japanese term for female self-shippers (which is also popular with many English-speakers) is yumejoshi (夢儳å)! This term translates to ādreaming girlā. There is also the lesser-known yumedanshi (夢ē·å), or ādreaming boyā.
Typically, with terms that follow this sort of format, there can be a gender-neutral term formed. For example, for fans of yuri media, we have āhimejoshiā for women, āhimedanshiā for men, and the gender-neutral āhimejinā. However, āyumejinā (ęåäŗŗ) already exists as a word with a separate definition ā referring to celebrities.
So, as a non-binary self-shipper, I set out to form a word for myself! With, of course, the help of someone more versed in Japanese than I am.
Eventually, we formed the word āyumedanjoā!
For context, I am a male/female bigender. I identify as a āboygirlā, because Iām both a boy and girl! āYumedanjoā aims to describe this experience.
āDanjoā (ē·å„³) is the word in Japanese when one wants to refer to both men and women. You may notice the similarities to the ā-joshiā and ā-danshiā suffixes. When the two are combined, the ā-shiās are dropped. Thus, when we combine it with āyumeā, it means, ādreaming man and womanā!
Another fact is that the kanji for danjo (ē·å„³) can additionally be read as otokonoko (ē·ć®åØ)! āOtokonokoā doesnāt translate well into English, as itās a pun, but it combines the word for a young man and the word for ādaughterā. āOtokonokoā is a Japanese word used for a wide variety of queer folks, from cisgender men who crossdress to enbies to transfems! Think similarly to how trans women and femme gay men were sometimes grouped together historically. The term has a long history in queer Japanese culture! Which only makes āyumedanjoā as a term all the better, as itās meant to describe queer gender.
This is a very long-winded explanation as to why I will be referring to myself, personally, with this term from now on! But if any boygirls, girlboys, or genderfreaks of any kind want to use it, too, feel free! š
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It is inherently fun and sexy to say statements that swap the traditional genders of pronouns and terms mid-statement, such as:
"I'm going to make him my wife"
"She's my boyfriend"
"Who says a guy can't be a pretty princess?"
"That girl's the coolest dude I've ever met"
"She's a madman who has to be stopped"
"It's not his fault he's a material girl"
Gender is a set of watercolors and the prettiest shades come from mixing the paints together.
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Multigender Survey Results Dec 2023: Genders (part 1)
Multigender versus questioning
The first question asked participants to indicate whether they were multigender or were questioning (single selection). 594 participants (80.1%) identified as multigender, while 148 (19.%) were questioning whether they identified as multigender.Ā
Categories
Participants were asked to select which of the following best described the extent to which they identified as a woman, a girl, and/or female (single selection). The options provided were:
I am fully a woman, a girl, and/or female: 196 (26.4%)
I am partially a woman, a girl, and/or female: 417 (56.1%)
I am not a woman, a girl, or female in any capacity: 130 (17.5%)
613 (82.5%) identified as a woman, a girl, and/or female to some extent, whether fully or partially.Ā
Participants were also asked to select which of the following best described the extent to which they identified as a man, a boy, and/or male (single selection). The options provided were:
I am fully a man, a boy, and/or male: 297 (40.0%)
I am partially a man, a boy, and/or male: 393 (52.9%)
I am not a man, a boy, or male in any capacity: 53 (7.1%)
690 (92.9%) identified as a man, a boy, and or/male to some extent, whether fully or partially.Ā
The combination of answers to those two questions were used to sort participants into the following nine categories.Ā
Fully a man, a boy, and/or male + fully a woman, a girl, and/or female: 151 (20.3%)
Partially a man, a boy, and/or male + partially a woman, a girl, and/or female: 40 (5.4%)
Not at all a man, a boy, or male + fully a woman, a girl, and/or female: 5 (0.7%)
Fully a man, a boy, and/or male + partially a woman, a girl, and/or female: 103 (13.9%)
Partially a man, a boy, and/or male + partially a woman, a girl, and/or female: 288 (38.8%)
Not at all a man, a boy, or male + partially a woman, a girl, and/or female: 26 (3.5%)
Fully a man, a boy, and/or male + not at all a woman, a girl, or female: 43 (5.8%)
Partially a man, a boy, and/or male + not at all a woman, a girl, or female: 65 (8.7%)
Not a man, a boy, and/or male + not at all a woman, a girl, or female: 22 (3.0%)
Number of binary genders (man/boy/male and woman/girl/female) participants fully identified as:
Fully identified as two binary genders: 151 (20.3%)
Fully identified as one binary gender: 191 (25.7%)
Did not fully identify as any binary gender: 401 (54.0%)
Number of binary genders (man/boy/male and woman/girl/female) participants identified as to some extent, whether fully or partially:
Identified as two binary genders to some extent: 582 (78.3%)
Identified as one binary gender to some extent: 139 (18.7%)
Did not identify as any binary gender to any extent: 22 (3.0%)
Labels
Participants were asked āWhat are the genders you identify with? Select all that apply, whether always or sometimesā (multiple selection). The options provided were:Ā
Agender: 268 (36.1%)
Butch: 223 (30.0%)
Demigirl: 142 (19.1%)
Demiboy: 174 (23.4%)
Femme: 202 (27.2%)
Genderqueer: 500 (67.3%)
Man/boy/male: 470 (63.3%)
Manwoman/boygirl/male+female: 398 (53.6%)
Masc: 351 (47.2%)
Maverique: 72 (9.7%)
Neutrois: 69 (9.3%) (nice_
Nonbinary: 464 (62.3%)
Woman/girl/female: 399 (53.7%)
Xenogender: 248 (33.4%)
Questioning: 110 (14.8%)
Unlabeled: 129 (17.4%)
Categories vs Labels
In the previous survey, categories were formed based on answers to the question āWhat are the genders you identify with?ā This turns out to have been an inaccurate way to categorize participants, as the categories participants self-identified with often didnāt match the way they would have been categorized based on the genders they identified with.Ā
Of 196 participants who identified as fully a woman, a girl, and/or female, 166 selected āwoman/girl/femaleā as one of the genders they identified with (84.7%). Of 297 participants who identified as fully a man, a boy, and/or male, 259 selected āman/boy/maleā as one of the genders they identified with (87.2%).
Additionally, the previous survey did not include āmanwoman/boygirl/male+femaleā as a gender option, under the assumption that people who identified that way would select both āman/boy/maleā and āwoman/girl/female.ā However, of the 398 participants who selected āmanwoman/boygirl/male+female,ā 210 selected both āman/boy/maleā and āwoman/girl/femaleā (52.8%). 142 participants who selected āmanwoman/boygirl/male+femaleā did not select āwoman/girl/femaleā (35.7%), and 117 participants who selected āmanwoman/boygirl/male+femaleā did not select āman/boy/maleā (29.4%).
Abinary Genders
Participants were asked ādo you experience abinary gender(s)?ā (single selection), with abinary defined as āgenders that are completely unrelated to the male/female binary.ā The options provided were:
No, I donāt experience any abinary genders: 143 (19.2%)
Yes, I experience one abinary gender: 144 (19.4%)
Yes, I experience multiple abinary genders: 285 (38.4%)
Questioning: 171 (23.0%)
429 participants (75.7%) experienced one or more abinary gender(s).Ā
Of the 151 participants who identified as fully a man, a boy, and/or male as well as fully a woman, a girl, and/or female, 19 (12.6%) experienced one abinary gender and 62 (41.1%) experienced multiple abinary genders. 81 (53.6%) experienced one or more abinary gender(s) and 49 (32.5%) did not experience any abinary genders. That is to say, for a majority of participants who identified as fully a man/a boy/male and fully a woman/a girl/female, they identified as other gender(s) in addition to those two.Ā
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Your URL is ableist because it relates to endos systems, and also seems to be relating transgender to plurality.
Endos systems are ableist people who claim to have a trauma disorder without trauma, despite the many studies saying that this is impossible.
Being transgender and being a system is not at all related
Also p.s:
System = person with DID/OSDD
Plurality = same as system, person with DID/OSDD
((I'm not the anon that sent the first ask about this, I am assuming this is what they meant and also trying to inform you of what your URL / blog name could come across as))
Okay, Iām just gonna take this point by point. Ahemā¦
1. āIt relates to endo systems, and also seems to be relating trans to plurality.ā
No. It isnāt. That is not the definition of the word at all. Sure, maybe it seems like it at first, because of the use of āmultiā, but that is not what it means. Judging a word by what it seems like it might mean isnāt basis for you to call a word bigoted.
2. The endo systems are ableist thing
I havenāt ever heard of āendo systemsā before, or that theyāre ableist, so I decided to look at the DSM-V criteria for systemhood. Like, the authority on diagnosises, ever. And I think I have bad news for you, because:
āDissociative amnesia, dissociative identity disorder, and depersonalization-derealisation disorder may or may not be proceeded by exposure to a traumatic event or may or may not have co-occurring PTSD symptoms.ā - DSM-V, p. 279
āThe dissociative disorders are frequently found in the aftermath of trauma ā¦ In DSM-5, the dissociative disorders are placed next to, but are not part of, the trauma- and stressor-related disorders, reflecting the close relationship between these diagnostic classes.ā - DSM-V, p. 291
āDissociative identity disorder is associated with overwhelming experiences, traumatic events, and/or abuse occurring in childhood.ā - DSM-V, p. 294
I have no idea if Iām stepping on some sort of landmine, but it seems like you are just factually incorrect here on both accounts here, bud. Sorry.
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"I've been thinking recently about the first ever trans space I was ever actually a part of, Bigender.net. My experience was primarily with these forums in ~2009, but I came back to peek in later years, and am trying to regain access now. There's a lot of bigender cultural things there that would probably never be known about or archived somewhere easily accessible unless someone talked about what they saw there, and I wanted to share some things.
+ A Lot of people used two or more names that they switch up, use in different contexts, and that often align with specific genders. Names are essentially changed like pronouns are for many people.
+ Most bigender people seemed to experience some kind of fluidity or flux of gender, and it was rarer for people to feel like 100% both at all times. This seems to be more often where people label themselves androgynes.
+ The language of "en femme" and "en homme" was used to describe both how one was presenting (similar to the modern boymoding/girlmoding) and to how one felt their gender on a specific day, which is what makes it different from girlmode/boymode. It wasn't just about presentation regardless of gender, but presentation as related to gender.
+ Plurality became so common over the years as a framework of bigender expression that a whole subforum for plurality emerged on these forums. Lots of plural bigender folks would experience having a "girl side" and a "boy side" in a dual system.
+ There were just as many bigender folks who experienced a neutral/other/middle gender experience besides just being male/female. It really wasn't limited to 2 genders, even if at the time it was very male/female bigender focused."
Aster, Bigender Culture
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Begging monogenders to stop policing how multigendered people can identify themselves
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Hi, I've never heard the term multigender before and I'm just wondering if genderfluid is a part of it?
It is!
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"how can you be a girl and a boy at the same time" i can be a man a woman and much much more for just three easy payments of $29.99
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your url is just a cringe ableist word for monogenderism
1) āMonogenderismā and ātransmultiphobiaā do appear to be synonyms, but so are āexorsexismā and āenbyphobiaā. Multiple words for the same type of oppression can, in fact, exist.
2) You really said ātransmultiphobia as a term is ableist. source: trust meā
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Hey so I know you're generally pretty cool w this kinda stuff but are you okay with bi lesbians or gays? Like, my transmasc part of me is a lesbian and my transfem part of me is bisexual, and it has to do with me being bigender, and I know you always say you're okay with however multigender ppl label their sexualities but you've never mentioned bisexual lesbians or bisexual gays so I'm not sureā
Multigenders can do whatever they want with their labels, forever. Terms like ālesbianā and āgayā were not created with us in mind, so itās only natural we break the ārulesā of them a bit. Besides, Iāve always considered labels like this to be a way to find the kind of people that you connect to, rather than a set of standards you have to meet. āWords are defined by usā, vs āwe are defined by wordsā.
Iām not particularly interested in fighting over this point, because I know how scarily heated it gets, so Iāll clarify that this is all I will ever say on the subject.
Iāll also further clarify that, in terms of folks who follow me: I have no DNI, and generally go by the rule of āIām chill as long as yāall are chillā (read: you donāt instigate queer infighting). So please be chill. Letās all just be genderweird together.
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Wow! Hereās something incredibly personal.
This is Good Bi Gender. A comic I made to express some feelings I have about my gender. I donāt really have that much else to say about it. Here it is.
[Image Description: A digital comic made with sharp, angular abstract lines and only the colors white, blue, pink, and black. The featured character is all white, except for facial features and hair colors, which changes from panel to panel. The comic reads: Cover Panel: The text āGood Bi Genderā, the words colored with the trans flag. It shows a glitchy personās face, half pink and half blue. Panel 1: White text reads: āHello. My name is apparently irrelevant. And my pronouns are he/him and she/her. But you canāt call me she/her. And hereās why.ā Someone with a half-pink and half-blue shirt looks to the side. One eye is covered with hair, and the other eye is pink while the iris is blue.
Panel 2: The character sits happily, imagining facial hair and a masculine voice. āI donāt want top surgery. I love my chest. And I dream about being on testosterone someday soon.ā The character looks at a phone, frowning. The phone shows the male symbol with an āXā through it. Text next to it reads: āPeople donāt seem to think that the features I dream of are very pretty thoughā¦ Or they think even worse of them than thatā¦ā
Panel 3: The characterās features are all pink, and sits in a blank frame. The character reaches over to a blue frame, frowning. āI donāt like the animosity. I really despise it.ā A photo of the character shows an all-blue frame and blue hair, with pink outlines and facial features. āTo be a boyā¦ I aspire to be one. I aspire to be masculine in all its handsomeness. All its prettiness.ā Panel 4: The character sits in an all blue panel, but reaches back out to the pink panel. āAnd Iām still a girl too. I was so excited to have both. To love both. To have handsome femininity. Beautiful masculinity.ā The frames break and connect, and pink and blue swirl together. The character smiles in between the frames, with one pink eye and one blue eye. āSo excited. And yet I get askedā¦ā
Panel 5: Two hands hold out two different pills to the character, one blue and one pink. They ask āMale? or Female?ā using the male and female symbols.The character, facial features an array of pink and blue, looks between the two hands, distressed. āItās both! Iām both! Theyāre not opposites. Not narrow boxes. I say Iām both despite the insistence that I canāt be. And I know what I look like. I know I look like a girl to most. I know that if I say people can call me she, thatās all I will get from most. Because itās āeasierā. It āmakes more senseā. To have my masculinity, I am often forced to be unflinching in it and it alone. To never use she. Because if I donāt, I will never get to have he.ā [The words āsheā and āheā are italicized.] Panel 6: Text reads: āIām still very happy to be so comfortable in my identity. To know, despite all that, that I am indeed a boy and a girl and both. But you know. Telling people to only use he/him for me. Guarding my masculinity all just to have it. All at the expense of the part of me who is happily and unashamedly a girl.ā The character cries from one pink eye, the other hidden. The character holds a pink girl in a sea of blue, the girl crying out. In the midst of the blue, text reads: āWell, it fucking breaks her heart.ā End ID]
Edit: @starberry-skies wrote an ID for the comic, so I added it to the og post with its permission!
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A trans person with multiple genders steering a car so that it makes a controlled skid sideways, call that multi-gender drifting
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What's your definition of a lesbian? I understand that bigender, genderfluid, multigender identities should be included in the definition. What's the most inclusive way to define the term? /gen
Another question, would agender fit in the lesbian definition as well? /gen
Can't believe multigender autocorrects to multimeterš
Iām not sure, to be honest. Iād say something like, āAttraction to women, and people who are not exclusively binary men,ā maybe?
In a world where gender is as weird and messy as it is, I find trying to make a snappy definition for these sort of things difficult. In the words of Judith Butler, āThe political problem is not to establish the specificity of lesbian sexuality over and against its derivativenessā¦ but to turn the homophobic construction of the body copy against the framework that privileges heterosexuality as origin.ā In other words, a new, specific lesbian identity cannot fight against the idea of heteronormativity. We should not be constructing queer identities with reference to heteronormative structures, and we should not be categorizing people into strict identity categories. We should not be referencing heterosexual narratives of identity into the conversation.
But thatās just some theory. Some queer theory!
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as a multigender person, I hope that in addition to me being women to you, I am also your favorite guy
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