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lansplaining · 5 months

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Protagonist-centric readers will do anything but admit that their MCs did lie and impact other characters' decisions. It's not the side-characters fault that they did not know the whole truth because *drum roll* they weren't told anything and/or was deliberately lied to.

LQQ being hated bc he impaled XL in a coffin for a long time but like... XL admitted to killing the King of Yong'an and committing the bloody massacre so what was LQQ supposed to do? Sit down and ask his Guoshi for the truth when we know damn well XL will just continue to admit to it? XL didn't want to tell LQQ the truth to protect LQQ and the two groups of people, and that's completely admirable, but what LQQ saw was his Guoshi stabbing a sword through his father's chest and admitting to everything so him reacting the way he did was completely valid. The single act of killing the king was treason 100x already, and as the son of the king, LQQ's reaction was not out of the ordinary. we don't want XL to suffer and be even more traumatized, but XL already knew that the consequences wouldn't be pretty and lied anyway. idk why fans can't grasp that.

Or for JC's case, HE IS LITERALLY THE ONE PERSON ALIVE IN THE ENTIRE WORLD WHO ACTUALLY DESERVES SOME KIND OF EXPLANATION FROM WWX HIMSELF, THE MAN WHO ACCIDENTALLY CAUSED WN TO KILL JXZ AND INDIRECTLY KILLED JYL DESPITE CLAIMING THAT HE HAD EVERYTHING UNDER CONTROL. These two aren't strangers to JC at all; they're his sister and his brother-in-law, or more importantly, his sister's beloved husband and father of his nephew. He deserves to be angry and bitter at the one person who did all that, and there is no time limit for how long he should remain bitter and angry about it. The GCT was a whole mess and they both made HUGE sacrifices out of love but the only one whose sacrifice is made invalid is JC because one, it was short-lived and two, they already didn't like JC so no matter what he does for WWX, it will be seen as something negative.

I don't even want to get into the hell-hole regarding LXC but... damn...

the revelations after a character found out the truth should be "oh man, so that's what really happened" not "this character was a dick because they didn't know about the major sacrifice the MC made for them that would only be revealed many years later, and it's not even voluntary because someone else told the truth, not the MC themself"

I'm not the first nor am I the last person to say this but a protagonist is just a character we see, mainly, from their POV or the character that we follow the story through. That's all there is to it. I feel like a lot of danmei readers have yet to read a variety of stories about an MC that's completely shit but serves to tell a story just as important and interesting.

okay, first of all-- people hate LQQ?? The sweetest, most violent himbo of all????????????? even Xie Lian doesn't hate him for what he did??????

i have nothing to say to such people

i'll be honest, it is really only relatively recently that i've fully come to realise how completely Jiang Cheng deserves an explanation or even just acknowledgement of any kind from Wei Wuxian, and how cowardly and selfish it is that Wei Wuxian refuses to give it. and I say this with a heart full of love for WWX-- he is dealing with Some Trauma (tm) but that doesn't mean his refusal to even speak to JC isn't hurtful and unfair, even if it's what he needs... but man everyone in fandom and fanworks is focused on WWX taking what he needs in this situation and not even remotely considering that just maybe he also justifiably owes something to someone he harmed and who he supposedly (formerly?) cared about (i think he still cares)

the lan xichen thing is literally inexplicable to me and i will never understand it

#ask answered

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jiangwanyinscatmom · 1 year

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I just saw a post that was like "wn went off so hard on jc during the golden core reveal bc then he doesn't have to think about thr ethics of what wwx did to him in his sister's name" or smth. Like, i'd say wn was being so harsh bc jc was being an asshole in the first place. But it's not the first time i've seen people compare wq doing the golden core exchange and wwx turning wn into a fierce corpse as the same "mad scientist trying this out"-thing and arguing neither should've happened (specifically that wwx has low self-esteem for one and stopped wn from entering the cycle or reincarnation for the other) so i was wondering what your thoughts on it were

This is long... so hahahahah, sorry.

This is actually cherry picking as it doesn't take into the account that Wen Ning, did not want to die. He had enough hate against his death, because he was brutally murdered, he was becoming a fierce corpse/jiangshi. His death was already karmically wrong.

Wei Wuxian intervened enough with that transformation to be able to change the usual method of what a jiangshi should be. It wasn't a disruption to his reincarnation cycle as he still retained his actual soul (the Hun) as does Song Lan. Wei Wuxian yes, out of guilt, fought to keep Wen Ning as Wen Ning after his death, he had to fight for the Hun to stay over the malicious Po.

For Song Lan, the basics can only be guessed as to what his catalyst was, but I think, it wasn't rage against the way of his death that made him undead, but that he didn't want Xiao Xingchen to blame himself for killing Song Lan, as it was Xue Yang who mastered that. It is what makes them the outlier of fierce corpses like Nie Mingjue who is not alive in the sense of humanity and feeling and is running off the sheer rage of his Po only, his humanity was lost because it moved on. Wen Ning the person (as well as Song Lan (The Hun that makes the human part) did not move on.

The core transfer was also done out of guilt from Wen Qing for HER clan, having attacked Wei Wuxian and Jiang Cheng's lives, and Wen Ning having taken it upon himself to protect the two as a consequence. We are also told nothing is stopping Wen Ning from finally passing by the author, he can move on when he wants to and feels like it. He gets to choose when he wants to die unlike that first one. He is grateful to Wei Wuxian for keeping him as alive as much as is possible and why he is fucking grateful to him and ride or die for life to Wei Wuxian. Unlike Jiang Cheng who multiple times was protected by Wei Wuxian and still decided to off him because he is vile and selfish.

#mdzs #mo dao zu shi #wei wuxian #wen ning #wen qing #it's nothing to do with self hate on WWX or WQ's part #they felt bad #and wanted to let someone have a second chance

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llycaons · 1 year

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ep16 (part 1): for some reason I didn't think it could get worse

15 is one of those eps that you need to follow with 16 asap so here we go

BLOOD IN THE LOTUS PONDS. FUCKED UP

this is shit like the CR attack - lots of violent scenes fading in and out. effective as shit

WHY DID LITTLE ARCHER BOY DIE LIKE THIS!!! at LEAST give him a kill like this felt so pointless and empty from a narrative point of view. 'well sometimes in war people die randomly' I know that! but this is a story it's supposed to mean something. it was just to make this scene sadder and I for one do not appreciate that

I've seen that translated as 'my lady' in other services and I like that one better. more formality/feels more ancient fantasy setting

and this bastard idiot man walks in and IMMEDIATELY gets stabbed. myu was holding down the fort for what could have been HOURS and this fool stumbles in and just dies within 30 seconds. GOD jfm you useless man

swear jyl has some kind of gift that lets her portend when her family members are about to die

there's a lot of horrible stuff that happens in this series but honestly nothing gets me as much as this scene. the sheer. idk. simplicity of it? unlike a lot of the convoluted storylines later on, this is something so straighforward that can and has happened to so many people. their home has been taken over and their family and friends have been murdered. they're watching the bodies of their shidis and shijies being lined up by a force that came into their home and destroyed it and insulted it and defiled it and will now claim it as theirs. and it's happening right in front of their eyes. it's just something so raw and in-your-face and impossible to ignore or sugarcoat. one of the worst scenes to watch

and then THIS. honestly I don't really understand the significance of the hand-holding and I don't think it added anything to the characters or story. I don't understand why so much time was spent on it. what did they love each other after all? deep down? I don't really believe 'deep down' matters after what a mess their relationship was and how much it hurt their kids

a long time ago I read a meta post about how jc hearing his mom publicly mocked for caring about someone who didn't care for her back is one of the reasons he's so fucked up about expressing affection to wwx and why he takes wwx leaving so hard. his mom is dead and humiliated on the floor, her corpse desecrated. I don't think he ever got over this

and wwx too obviously. just horrific trauma happening before our eyes

going to say something controversial but I think xz is a better ugly crier than wcz. wcz is really good but more looks scared in most of his crying scenes, but xz just lets his face crumple with the force of his grief

WITH THE CURTAINS??!!! GIRl

damn...conquest is fucked up huh

gorgeous shot 10/10 no wonder its always giffed

I guess jfm had something he wanted to say before dying but idc.

jc would be so dead without wwx...

DID HE SLAP WWX. HOLY SHIT. after that scene with his mom and wlj and that line about servants knowing their place that REALLY sends a message. god damn, I'm really mad at him for that

this strangulation scene went on for a terrifyingly long time. wwx had to struggle to breathe when it ended. really scary to watch

I don't believe jc views wwx as A Servant but I also don't think he really views him as his equal either because his behavior towards wwx is uniquely aggressive and disrespectful. wwx may be treated as a young lord by most of the world, but he's also not in a position to fight back or hurt jc in any way, and he can't really leave the jiangs when he's being mistreated because he feels he owes them a life debt

anyway. gorgeous shot here

oh god. he's so young

I think wwx is keeping himself from crying because. he's not allowed. fuck

shit, that's a lot

#cql re-rewatch

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plan-d-to-i · 2 years

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It often happens to me that I come across people who say how LXC and YJL are alike. But they look at their idea of ideal older siblings rather than how LCX and JYL actually behaved. Because I think they're similar, but more in how naive they are. In my opinion, these two are the true result of the hypocritical society of the MDZS universe. Not bad, but not quite good either

I don't see the LXC and YanLi comparison. They're different people. They occupy different positions. And I've often seen ppl try to dump JYL's shortcomings on LXC, and project a very weird unhappy dynamic on LXC/LWJ that is most definitely not in canon. I also find the people who draw that comparison do it so they can be like: "oh if you like LXC but not JYL that's misogyny", inevitably because they project on basic soup girl and feel attacked when ppl don't stan her.

LXC lets LWJ hide WWX in the Cloud Recesses and have him treated there when he's the most wanted person in the cultivation world. In fact, LXC hides him in his own residence. The fact that he treated JGY with courtesy when other cultivators only looked down on him bc of his parentage, speaks well of his character. How is LXC supposed to figure out what kind of person JGY is? WangXian pick up on the clues NHS left for them to piece together what happened. In his first life WWX himself had a good opinion of JGY. Because JGY is not an idiot. He's a clever, manipulative person who knows how to play human nature to his advantage. Even NMJ who caught him red handed is fooled by him again. JGY also happens to actually like LXC for real, (not romantically - MXTX's words), so ofc the face he shows LXC is that much more convincing. He hides him from the Wens. He helps him rebuild Cloud Recesses.

WWX speaks highly of LXC, and understands why he trusted JGY. During the war LXC didn't just stay to protect Cloud Recesses he went and tried to help whoever he could.

During the Sunshot Campaign, stories of praise were told about all three of the Venerated Triad. The ones of ChiFeng-Zun were about how he swept over all obstacles, leaving not even a trace of the Wen-dogs after he finished. ZeWu-Jun—Lan XiChen—however, was different from him. After the situation of the Gusu area had settled down, Lan QiRen was able to defend it with great tenacity. Thus, Lan XiChen often travelled to aid others, saving lives from danger. In all of the Sunshot Campaign, he had countless times recovered lost territory and assisted narrow escapes. This was why people were ecstatic whenever they heard his name, as though they gained a ray of hope, a powerful trump card.

He spoke up for the Wens more than jc, even though WQ and WN had never helped him. In fact the Wen Clan was responsible for the death of his father, almost killed his little brother, might very well have killed him, and burned down his home. Lan Clan doesn't owe WWX anything. If WWX's own Clan Leader declared him the enemy of the entire cultivation world after visiting the Burial Mounds what's Lan Clan going to think? Idk I just don't get these "He's a hypocrite. He's elitist. He's selfish. He only cares about himself & his ppl." takes.

He's supportive of LWJ's friendship with WWX.

He shelters WWX and investigates JGY even after there's no head to be found in the secret room.

He was worried about his little bro but still kept his calm enough to untangle the misunderstanding between WangXian.

I've seen some laughably bad "LXC is actually a bad guy >:-/" takes and they're as absurd as jc stans. Ppl just want to invent drama for their "fix it" fics lol. But there's a reason WWX ends up in the Lan Clan in canon.

#mdzs #answers #Lan Xichen #Lan Wangji #Wei Wuxian

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crossdressingdeath · 2 years

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If people want to stan a tsundere little brother character who actually really loves his adopted big brother(s) but has trouble showing it because of abandonment issues and the trappings of a noble upbringing, they should look no further than Elliot Nightray from Pandora Hearts,,,no reason to downgrade to JC

Honestly I found Pandora Hearts kind of... eh... I read the whole thing but I don't remember any of it. It was just entirely unmemorable to me.

Frankly my go-to "tsundere little brother done right" example is Carver Hawke from Dragon Age 2. Like, his relationship with his older sibling starts so deep in the red that it's actually really hard to get the two of them on friendly terms (especially if you refuse to side with the Templars), but he still clearly loves his sibling. He thinks you're an asshole who's going to get yourself murdered by Templars, but also you're his sibling and he loves you and will do anything he can to help you! And Carver has this whole thing about how he does feel overshadowed by his mage siblings and how he's normal in comparison! The main difference between him and JC in that respect is that there's nothing Carver can do about not being a mage, since you either are a mage or you aren't; it's not something you can learn. Meanwhile there's no evidence that JC tries to improve, even though he could; he just complains and expects everyone else to let him win. Also, Carver doesn't complain anywhere near as much, beyond things like "You're going to get us both killed by drawing attention" and a bit of angsting about his father liking his mage children better. Which... honestly fair, and when he learns that his father actually preferred him he takes that on board and doesn't try to pretend it's not true, although he's still a little stung that his father didn't really show that.

Also, the main difference between Carver and JC is that as far as I'm aware there are no circumstances in DA2 where Carver will seriously fight you? I believe even if he's a Templar and you side with the mages he'll switch sides to fight alongside you. ...I've never seen that because I refuse to make Carver a Templar, but still. He is a proper tsundere little brother, because he really does love Hawke and has zero desire to really hurt them! Meanwhile JC tries to murder WWX for daring to not be an obedient servant. JC is not a proper tsundere little brother. He is simply scum who wants WWX to do whatever JC wants him to.

#mdzs #grapehate #asks #anon

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inessencedevided · 4 years

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The Untamed, episode 25 - watching notes

This is what i got for Easter. An Egg-cup with a "no drama lama" on it :D I will be completely disregarding it's good advice and keep on watching these dramatic gay bitches

Also, when I told my mum that I'd go and watch another episode of the untamed, she said "ah, the show with the beautiful men". I did not correct her. :D

I got some tissues ready, as to the advice of several people 😅

I love wwx with kids :)

And is that genuine smile I spot there? :')

I love jc's little "what was I supposed to do about it" shrug to wwx :D

Jin Zixuan isn't that terrible (he really did get some growth in during and before the sunshot campaign), but I think I'm rather in line with wwx and jc that just because he's not terrible, doesn't mean he's good enough for Shijie

But then again it is her decision and I'm really glad that wwx and jc don't even try to persuade her in any direction. With his patriarchal this society is structured that seems anything but self-evident

Okay, Jin Zixuan's little outburst of genuine joy at her acceptance is kinda cute

I think we just fast-forwarded to the night hunt

Wwx's excited wave at his sister! 😭

Everyone looks already done with this party before it even really started

Lan Wangji even has his eyes closed at some point, like he's slowly counting down from ten :D

Holy shit! Well, fuck you too!!!

(I know I said I wouldn't curse but this warrants cursing and nothing else!)

Seriously???? They're now using political prisoners as targets in a tournament???

Okay, they're not targets. They're human obstacles before the target. Not much better

Me @ jin Zixuan

Okay sorry, but when that other Jin guy started bragging all I could think was "okay, we get it. Now stop your dick-measuring-contest and do something useful" 😒

I'M SCREAMING! Did wwx just actually asked for lwj's headband in front of everyone??? He might as well have started snogging him right then and there 😂😂😂😂

Lan Wangji doesn't even dignify that with an answer :D

Wwx .... he doesn't even have a bow

Okay, blindfolded

Okay, there's the bow

That was ... so hot

Perfect gif for wwx, btw

I feel this is going to bite him in the ass later, but for now I'm glad to see jin Guangyao and jin Guangshan humiliated :D

Also, lwj microexpressions are everything here 😏

And wwx, looking at him like a little puppy. See, see, see? I performed the trick! 🤩

Lol. Wwx just killed it so much that they just cancelled the whole opening. I feel like it's kind of indicative of his role going forward. A rupture in the system.

I just legit cried when wwx played his flute. Somehow, with forest reminding me a bit of Austria, it made me really homesick for the Alps. :')

Wwx looking so excited for a second to see lwj, but then deflating as he remembers lan Xichen's words is too much. 😥 Sweety, I'm sure he wants to know. You don't have to bear it all alone 😔

Aaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!

He wants to share your love song with you and you push him away on purpose you STUPID HERO!!!!

I never want to see that expression on lan Wangji's face again! 😭

I took a screenshot. See what I mean???

He opened up! Lan Wangji, mister stone-faced-and-sturdy opened up!!! And got rejected!!!

Also, with your flirting and the headband line earlier, you're sending really mixed signals here, wwx!!

And wwx regrets it instantly :/

The life-long confidant line 😭 (also, confession, I've seen a post stating that this could also be translated as "soulmate", which... highnhg)

"I still am" *clutches chest*

Please tell me they kiss during this scene in the book!!!! (Actually don't because spoilers, but still ...)

2 minutes of longing staring later ...

Oh Jin Zixuan, you daft idiot 🤦‍♀️ not everything is about you

Not that wwx is making things better right now...

Protective lan Wangji to the rescue!

Oh, I like madame Jin!!!

I appreciate wwx's concern for Yanli, but COULD YOU PLEASE NOT SOEAK FOR YOUR SISTER, SHE HAS HER OWN MOUTH! THANK YOU!

Sorry ... I know he specifically forced the clans to listen to her instead of deciding over her head.

Soooo ... wwx snapped 😬

Wangji and Shijie calming him down gives me all the feels 😭 I hope we see more of them working together. Despite their different personalities I feel they would get along well.

"There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man." Make that woman and apply it to Shijie. That icy anger in her gentle face? You should be terrified

Also, I just wanted to point out that during this 5 minute scene, with several different people speaking, Lan Wangji's eyes haven't left wei Wuxian even once

Yanli: "it's not his fault you can't hunt the prey." Oh SNAP

I'm so proud of Yanli right now :')

Jin Guangyao... at this point I feel a sense if dread when he appears. Though I am interested what he and Lan Xichen were doing alone in the woods

Wait FIVE THOUSAND participants? 😳

Where were they during the opening ceremony? They didn't hire that many extras for sure

Jin Zixuan is about to confess his feelings and immediately starts to get an audience. I love how, in this show, there's no drama without spectators 😂😂😂

I feel almost bad for him

Jiang Cheng is way too late to the party

If these cultivators weren't zo gossipy 90% of the drama of this show could be avoided, I swear

Could you please not listen to them Jiang cheng? 🤦‍♀️

*fist clench of suppressed man-pain*

Wen Qing! My love! 🥺🥺🥺

"I want to bring a man to cloud recess." That's basically lwj confessing he has a boyfriend to his brother, right? Right?

Meanwhile Lan Xichen, internally: finally 🙄

My heart

The tenderness in his voice when he says "bring him back and hide him there."

Lan Wangji must be terrified for wwx at this point. I'm kind of bewildered that all his efforts at this point seem to be centred around wwx. Like, I knew this ship would be intense, but ... whoa

What a beautiful scene to end an episode on :)

Also, to take stock. I did need the tissues, but only once and not during a scene that many people would, I think. I'm bracing myself for the next couple of episodes now

Also, I'm now half-way through the show. I both want to get through it quicker and prolong this experience to make it last longer. What a strange feeling 😅

@sweetlittlevampire @fandom-glazed @elenirlachlagos @allhailthedramallama @luckymoon @kyrrahbird 💚🐇💚

#sophie watches the untamed #the untamed #wei wuxian #wwx #lan wangji #lwj #wangxian #lan xichen #jiang yanli #jiang cheng #jiang siblings #wen qing #jin zixun #jin zixuan #jin guangyao #jin guangshan #jgy

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plan-d-to-i · 3 years

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You know what's an insane take that I somehow see all the time? People being extremely critical of the Lan/spending a lot of time exploring why wx + sizhui might not be happy in cloud recesses post canon, but then refusing to be equally critical of jc, and sometimes claiming they'd be happy in lotus pier. I mean ig they're cql people who also hate novel wx because it's "abusive" or "unequal" (?) and I can just block them but it's making my braincells boil and die. Not saying you can't be anti-lan or whatever but wth

Yeah not a fan of those takes. I don't quite know what people were expecting of the Lan Clan. I've said it before, Lan Xichen tried to discuss Wen Ning and Wen Qing's possible innocence more than jiang cheng. But what else was LXC supposed to say when jiang cheng didn't open his mouth to say that he owed them a life debt?! And LXC spoke up in spite of the fact that his home was burned down by the Wens, his father died because of the attack, LWJ was severely injured and almost killed and none of them received any help from WQ and WN - like jc did. Imagine if WN and WQ had been the ones to help LXC flee and hide!- this is one of the big reasons LXC is so grateful and trusting of JGY and has a completely different impression of what his character is like and actually stubbornly stands between him and NMJ even after JGY killed NMJ's men. Even WWX doesn't judge LXC for not seeing through JGY's manipulations. Besides, by allowing WWX no recourse other than defection to help the Wens, jc condemned and undermined what he was doing completely. If WWX's own martial brother, that he grew up with, abandoned him and declared him the enemy of the cultivation world after visiting his "lair" what was LXC supposed to think?

I get why people might want Lan Sizhui to be mad, but I don't get why they want him to be mad at the Lans -who again were working on misinformation regarding what WWX was up to and were not actually part of the two leading forces as Yunmeng Jiang and the Jin were. Not to mention who tried to moderate things when WQ and WN went to turn themselves in and suffered losses even in that incident. The Lans got involved because things escalated. The reason things escalated can be traced back to jc, as JGY points out-

“If being determined that everything from the Hundred Holes curse to the attack at the Qiongqi Path was part of my singlehanded scheme would ease your troubles, then feel free to think whatever you please. But what you have to understand is that, for what happened to Young Master Wei in the end, you are responsible too and in fact, you are very much so.” ....

“You, on the other hand, had just rebuilt Lotus Pier and behind you was the YiLing Patriarch, Wei WuXian, the danger of whom was immeasurable. Do you think the other sects would like to see a young sect leader who was so advantaged? Luckily, you didn’t seem to be on good terms with your shixiong, and since everyone thought there was an opportunity, of course they’d add fuels to your fire if they could. No matter what, to weaken the YunmengJiang Sect was to strengthen themselves. Sect Leader Jiang, if only your attitude towards your shixiong was just a bit better, showing everyone that your bond was too strong to be broken for them to have a chance, or if you exhibited just a bit more tolerance after what happened, things wouldn’t have become what they were.”

The Lans also accepted LWJ taking Sizhui in and making him a part of the Clan. He was raised and taught by them, and by all accounts treated well. If Sizhui should take revenge on anyone his targets should have been JGS & JGY who were motivated by their hunger for power, and jc who had seen him in person and not given a damn about his life. Possibly NMJ who was always a hot head and didn't want to listen to anything positive about the Wens bc of his own beef w them. But most importantly Lan Sizhui is now reunited with Wen Ning and Wei Wuxian. He has LWJ who raised him with care and love. In what way would it actually serve him to suddenly be another jc consumed by hate and rage? It's been shown repeatedly throughout the story that holding on to resentment and hate is harmful, ultimately to the person doing the holding on. The Wen Remnants themselves let go of their anger, defended the people unworthy of it and and moved on. Lan Sizhui is such a testament to Wen Ning and Wei Wuxian and LWJ in that he prefers to be happy with what he has and what he's found again, rather than dwell on what he's lost and fill himself with hate. People who stan jc just project jc's character on LSZ and make him into the same kind of angry, hateful, ungrateful person as jiang cheng. Not to mention it's laughable to think WangXian would be happier in Lotus Pier w a homophobic dude who said this :

“Jiang Cheng pointed outside, “Mess around outside however you want, whether under a tree or on a boat, hugging or otherwise! Get out of my sect, get out of anywhere my eyes can see!”

Right...🌝. Anyway, I suppose in an AU where Lan Sizhui was a completely different character and wanted to seek vengeance instead of happily night hunting with Wen Ning and his dads, it's possible that his first stop would be Lotus Pier- but only so he can murder jc.

#mdzs #answers #Lan Clan #Lan Wangji #Lan Xichen #Lan Sizhui #AYuan #Wei Wuxian #jiang cheng

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crossdressingdeath · 3 years

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I know you'll probably disagree with me, but i rlly hate the Cloud recessess ending. It's just....

Those elders killed wwx. The Lans were 100% ready to murder both at Qiongqi path but also at the siege. They see him as the guy who corrupted their precious jade. They all preach righteousness, but the whole madam Lan thing is iffy at best and i do not believe that everyone there fully believes the rules. Hell, i have a special bone to pick with the " do not gossip" rule, seeing as gossip had been the main info route for women in patriarchal societies.

I just don't think that after wwx killed Lans in the siege they'd be all that willing to forgive him and take him in w open arms. The juniors and kids love him, yes, but people who saw the war....

Not to mention the whole " do not speak to WWX " rule. I've seen ppl say it's a joke but it's On The Wall. It's supposed to be followed. Even if it was intended as a joke - which i don't believe - it's very cruel for someone w rejection and trust issues.

I also hate it from a very personal perspective. I see Wwx as ND, and, as an ND myself, all those rules terrify me. From the no running and the proper posture ones, i can pretty well imagine they forbid stimming. The Lan curfew would fuck anyone with insomnia and there's smth deeply ucked up abt the " do not grieve in excess". I get that they're supossed to be a paragon of the best things at all time, and that LJY is very UnLan like, but for someone w anxiety who CAN'T follow those rules, it would be a nightmare.

...Some points:

First, the Lan elders did not kill WWX, nor did they attack him unfairly. They weren’t looking at him as the man who corrupted LWJ, either, or at least that wasn’t their primary concern (I will never forgive CQL for suggesting they were or it was); they were looking at him as a traitor to the sects who was raising an army to destroy them. Remember, that is the information the Lans had. Every source they had except for LWJ (who the people he would have gone to would have known was biased and who presumably everyone knew had recently been in close contact with WWX where he could have been manipulated or enchanted in some way), sources which included multiple sect leaders (one of whom was WWX’s brother) and LXC’s dear friend, swore up and down that WWX was a major threat, and let’s face it, WWX didn’t do much to dissuade people from thinking that! Acting like the Lans were maliciously targeting WWX is doing them something of a disservice, I’d say. They acted based on the knowledge they had available; note how the Lans are the first to offer WWX their help once they’re given reason to believe he may not be a villain! And even aside from that, saying they killed WWX (and not JGS and JGY’s manipulation or JC’s army) feels a bit like scapegoating, honestly. Of the four sects, the Lans are quite possibly the least responsible for WWX’s death. If it would hurt him to live with or around anyone who held any responsibility for his death his only option would be to live as a hermit, which would be far worse for him. And yeah, the Lans aren’t perfectly righteous all the time and some morally dubious things have been done by Lan sect members; they’re human, after all! Some of them will only be as moral as their sect leader demands they be! That doesn’t mean the sect as a whole is bad, especially with LXC, LQR and LWJ in charge. Certainly I’d say they’re still better than the other sects, all things considered. One ambiguous situation that may or may not have involved some members of the previous generation doing some fucked up shit doesn’t mean WWX would for sure be mistreated!

As for gossip... there’s a difference between sharing information and gossiping. There’s no evidence that the Lan women are blocked from... y’know, freely communicating and sharing information between themselves. We have no reason to believe they are reliant on gossip. Also they presumably go out night hunting just like the men? Men and women are kept separate in the Cloud Recesses, but I get the sense that that’s more like... school stuff than anything else. The women aren’t exactly locked up, they can be cultivators! The society is still sexist, but that doesn’t mean they’re kept from going out and doing things. And I need to make this clear: there is a fair chance that the rule against gossip saved LWJ’s life, because it kept word of him defending WWX from the sects from spreading to people who would not be willing to let bygones be bygones. Gossip sucks! It hurts people! A lot of this story (and more to the point the suffering of the characters within the story) happens because of gossip! The Lans banning gossip is pretty clearly supposed to be a good thing, I’d say.

And yeah, maybe after WWX killed a bunch of their sect the Lans wouldn’t accept him with open arms as if nothing ever happened! And that’s fair! I can’t imagine where WWX could go where that wouldn’t be the case, unless he and LWJ chose to abandon the cultivation world forever. But you know what else the Lans won’t do? Try to execute him. Or from what we see in the extras even dwell on the past that much. No, the Lans aren’t going to immediately forgive WWX and bring him into the fold without a moment’s hesitation, but you know what? They accept his marriage to LWJ! They let him supervise the juniors on night hunts! They consider him part of their sect! Honestly, that is all WWX can really ask and far more than he’d get from any other sect. There are consequences for what WWX did, even though he wasn’t the villain or necessarily trying to hurt anyone, and frankly people not being entirely comfortable with his presence is very much reasonable.

The “do not speak to WWX” rule may not be a joke, but it’s also pretty clearly not a serious rule. No one takes it seriously. The juniors (the only people WWX really talks to anyway aside from LXC and LWJ) only pay it the minimum lip service of talking to him off the path. WWX himself sure as hell doesn’t care! He clearly finds it pretty damn funny. And I don’t think a guy who has never liked him once again proving he does not like him (in a way that is clearly temporary given how later LQR invites WWX to the Lan family banquet with... reasonable amounts of grace, thereby implicitly accepting him as LWJ’s husband and therefore his own family by marriage) counts as a rejection or a breach of WWX’s trust? Like, LQR has literally always hated WWX. He isn’t preventing WWX and LWJ from spending time together or shutting WWX out of the Cloud Recesses or even making a concentrated effort to keep people from talking to him; he’s venting his frustrations, but if he really intended to block WWX from taking part in life in the Cloud Recesses he would’ve done a hell of a lot more than just make a rule who no one WWX likes follows anyway. It’s a temper tantrum, that’s all, and clearly that’s what WWX takes it as. I mean, if nothing else you can’t ban people from talking to the sect heir’s spouse indefinitely. That’s just not sustainable.

As for the rules... banning people from running in the Cloud Recesses and demanding proper posture during lessons doesn’t suggest to me that they wouldn’t allow stimming? ‘No running’ at least is a common rule... most places. It’s distracting, and can be dangerous. And the rule about sitting properly doesn’t mean “Don’t move at all ever”; it means... well, “sit properly”. Don’t slouch or sprawl across the floor. I see no reason why that wouldn’t preclude means of stimming that wouldn’t be disruptive (and given this is in a classroom environment “not disruptive” is kind of important). I mean, those rules certainly don’t suggest that they’re any worse than other sects, and given this is the sect that has magic music for calming people’s minds if any sect would give allowances for neurodivergence it would be this one. Also I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a song to put people to sleep, or medication that can help; this is a world with magic, after all, and if there’s a song that can put spirits to rest there are probably songs for human medicine and care. And of course there’s an element of conflicting needs; maybe the rules would screw you over, but frankly firmly enforced rules keeping people from running around or sprawling out of their seats would’ve been a godsend for me in school, given how much trouble I had focusing with people making noise around me. At the end of the day, is it guaranteed that the Lans would make allowances for people with needs that conflict with the Lan rules? No. But I’d argue it’s more likely that they would than any other sect. This is ahistorical fantasy ancient China, too; you can only expect so much in the mental health department. Still, a sect that literally invented magic music for calming the mind actually seems like the best choice for people with anxiety and such. There’s a reason why there are multiple fics that essentially set the Lans up as mental health experts in the setting!

Basically, a lot of your arguments seem to be issues that WWX would have in any sect. Unless he wanted to give up on the support of a sect altogether, they’re all things that he would have to work through or come to terms with. And of course... the most important point is that WWX is happy in the Lan sect. The extras make that clear. He has a home, duties that he enjoys performing, the love of his family and the support of his sect. He’s happy. I just... I do not understand why people keep feeling the need to try to make it angsty when the novel makes it clear that he genuinely enjoys his life in Gusu, and more than that that if he ever decided he didn’t enjoy it he could leave at any time. You have to remember that: if WWX wanted to leave... he would. He and LWJ would just go, and only come back occasionally so that LWJ could visit his home. Hell, LWJ would insist on leaving for WWX’s sake. So like... the Lan sect wouldn’t suit everyone, but WWX is quite content there and doesn’t want to leave. He’s happy and free to come and go as he wishes; there really isn’t anything to be concerned about there.

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the ten evils thing is a mistranslation - mxtx was defending jc by saying he wasn't 'ten evils' levels of bad. the implicit comment here though is that jc is SOME level of bad - and there's also the fact that the fandom hates him enough for mxtx to have to defend him, lol. i'm telling you the argument that only western fans dislike jc is false, mainland chinese fandom has a HUGE amount of jc haters and as far as i've seen he doesn't do well in polls XD

Ah, I see. Honestly I think JC is infinitely more popular in the West than mainland China from what people have said. And it is kind of funny that MXTX felt she had to defend him, and even funnier that she felt the need to do so by basically saying “Well he’s not as bad as he could be!” Although having been sent what the ten evils are by multiple people, I’d say he fits... mm, at least seven? Possibly eight depending on how you define things. Let’s go through them just for fun according to the lists I’ve been sent (and I apologize in advance if anything’s inaccurate):

Killing: Well, he does no shortage of that, so that’s a fail. Stealing: Depends on how you define stealing; taking material possessions probably not, but if you extend it to stealing credit not rightfully yours and things along that line... an argument can definitely be made that a lot of the things “he” did were actually WWX’s work first and foremost. Sexual misconduct: The only one we can say for definite he didn’t do! Congratulations, JC, you’re not a rapist. And he’s not about to get up to any non-rapey sexytimes on account of how no woman aside from his sister will tolerate his presence for more than five minutes, so he gets a pass on this one. Lying: Yyyyyyup. The amount of shit he says to and about WWX... With a straight face, too! It’s almost impressive. Slander: “WWX is a traitor to the sects”, anyone? Not to mention spending 13 years accusing people of being WWX, which under the circumstances is definitely slander. Coarse language: Do I even need to say it? Empty chatter: Well, I’m not entirely sure what empty chatter means here. Is it gossip? It sounds like it means gossip. And in that case... mm, maybe? Depends on if believing gossip falls under it, I guess. Frankly he doesn’t have any friends to gossip to, so I guess that’s a pass? Covetousness: That’s another fail! He’s incredibly covetous of WWX’s talent, his popularity, his genius... basically everything he’s got, JC wants. Angry speech: Again, I do not think I need to say it. Wrong views: Or to use a longer one I got sent because ‘wrong views’ is incredibly vague: “Free your mind of ignorance and be anxious to learn the truth, especially m the one thing that is needful, lest you fall a prey either to scepticism or to errors. Scepticism will make you indifferent and errors will lead you astray, so that you shall not find the noble path that leads to life eternal." ...Hm, yeah, that’s a fail. JC actively avoids learning the truth if he thinks it might be even slightly inconvenient to him.

So that’s... seven? Yep, a conservative seven of the ten evils. Possibly up to nine depending on how they’re defined and how charitable you’re feeling. So the best you can say is he only meets about three quarters of the ten evils and not... y’know, all of them.

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