#dark fics discourse

[crows-ace]

I’ve never been more confused in my life??

#what?? #dark fics discourse #am I missing something?? #art discourse

[oneangstymotherfucker]

Tw for vague csa/abuse mention

Sometimes, yeah, I "get off to" the fics I write. And I definately like hearing that other people enjoy them, because I think everyone deserves things they enjoy and it truly makes me happy to provide a little of that for others.

But the reason I write what I write is so my brain has a place to spin out scenarios to try to make it okay. And by that I don't mean the things that happened to me. By that I mean the fact that I exist as someone who those things happened to. The fact that I live every day with the rammifications of one man's evil decision, wrapping themselves up and weaving themselves into every aspect of my life. And when I write I come at it from all angles- including sexual because I was a prematurely-sexually-awakened kid and that can make a person's relationship with sex a little confusing to say the least- to try to figure out how to live with it.

Fic writers don't write to normalize abuse. We write to normalize suvival. And survival isn't always pure and pretty and fluffy. I was not healed by a wholesome loving relationship, I was not healed by friendship or forgiveness or by trying to banish all darkness from my life and mind. I am healing myself by looking it in the eye. By getting elbows-deep in the darkness, letting it coat my skin again now that I am grown and safe. By forgiving myself for the tracks it left in my mind and body, accepting that it is part of my story and trusting myself to keep me safe.

That's what I'm trying to normalize. That it's good you survived, and it's okay to be "messed up by it". You are normal, and your existence isn't bad or tainted or dirty or wrong. You are good and innocent. You deserve to be here and you deserve a full, satisfying life with all the things you enjoy in it.

#proship #pro fiction #abuse cw #tw csa mention #ship and let ship #dark fic #sexuality #healing #dark ships #art exists for a purpose #it is not supposed to be sterile #if it is sterile it is not art #art is supposed to ask the questions voices fail at #say the things words fall short of #write what you need to #draw what you need to #create without boundaries and do not be afraid #shipping discourse

[prettyboykatsuki]

nothing against you but I think you should remove the general tags from the uncle sukuna fic that you used like (sukuna x reader) bc you have a lot of followers so regardless the fic will get traction and I think it’s just past the line of things you want to pop up when people search the general tags. Like I don’t think it’ll invite only a crowd of people who read it but also the bridgaders who don’t like dc as that’s how it usually starts

this is a well meaning ask so when i say i dont really care im not saying it to be rude !!! using the general tags is 1. for blog organization for my own blog less than it is for traction 2. i have been through countless amounts of discourse over my stuff and do not feel any desire to censor myself over it at this time. i only use the same like 4 tags on all of my posts regardless of the content in them.

with respect i only tag for traction in new fandoms anyway. i appreciate you trying to look out for me!! thank you for that!! maybe ill move the tags around but i just like. genuinely do not care at all about this

#return to sender #how do i say this #if i worried myself over discourse every single time i posted a fic i would've never posted again #i have a very like. we'll burn that bridge when we get to it mentality about dc in general #BUT I GENUINELY APPRECIATE YOU LOOKING OUT FOR ME. I DONT MEAN THIS RUDELY AT ALL #dark content cw

[the-bar-sinister]

Fuck dude (neuter) I used to (during high school) write self insert RPF to cope with ongoing c-PTSD from many angles. It kind of fed into a folie a deux between me and my at-the-time boyfriend, and now I'm happy with just fictional people, but sometimes... man sometimes you just gotta remember the bandom days from whence you (I, this is probably so specifically a me thing) came.

So many people claim to support people with mental illness, trauma, etc but then turn around and go "ewwwww, you write RPF?" or" Ewwww, you write (insert weird fanfiction thing here)?"

My pal (theoretical reader)-- where the fuck do you think the motivation to write these things is coming from?

🫂Glad you're in a better place, now, anon. Much love and respect to your past self.

#rpf discourse #fandom wank #👁️🦇 #mental health support #fanfiction #fan fiction #fanfic #darkfic #dark fic #dead dove #ask answers #friend mail

[jurassic-cunt]

just wanna be sad about the death of a character i love and not see stupid shit about how they deserved to die (fuck off) or that it's some kind of bury the gays shit (not possible). it's just a story and someone died and it's sad

#ofmd spoilers #ofmd #dark gift #fuck fandom discourse im not reading paragraphs unless it's fic #wasn't homophobic. was an asshole that hated incompetency

[lambtotheslaughterr]

You wrote your oneshots so detailed and good that it feels like I’ve been reading it as a fic that has many chapters. I felt already connected to characters because of the way you wrote it, and I feel like doing this is very hard when writing a oneshot. Thank you for doing the requests and sharing your talent with us. 💘💘💘

awwh thank you babe!💛😭 it’s a relief you feel/think that way & shared it w me because lemme tell you, i am NOT a short story writer. short story writers are prime fuckin’ time & oneshots are basically that so i struggle so so hard with making literally anything believable in a relatively short length.

THANK YOU for sending me your love🥰😍😘

#dark!fic #dark!fanfiction #non con fic #general discourse

[triflesandparsnips]

A whole lot of you are weird about Izzy Hands on this here tumblr dot com -- and I mean that it both directions. There's just a whole lot of... all that, for one dang mid-level antagonist in a capital-r Romance. Which... you know how many of those antagonists end up getting their own romantic storylines? Most of them. Will that happen to Izzy? Idk, man, I just look at narrative patterns.

I think, to a degree, it was a bit of a disservice pretty early on to latch on to him as the only human on a ship full of Muppets. Dude is a full-on Muppet-- he's just a Sam the Eagle, rather than a Gonzo or Piggy. I mean:

He demands people call him Izzy, an objectively stupid name for a middle-aged serious-guy

He stripped a dude on their first encounter instead of just killing him because? Why?

He regularly runs a ship that looks like a 13-yr-old got to buy all their goth birthday party decorations at Hot Topic

Does a stupid weird finger wave at Ed when the British point him out

Izzy's Revenge

He brought up Daddy kink on his own, like wtf, c'mon now

The character's done awful things, absolutely. Because the story needed mirrors of trust violated, safety shattered, etc etc. The narrative trusted Izzy to help drive that part of the overall arc of Stede and Ed's love story.

And the thing is: a defining part of Romance is the Happily Ever After (or the Happily For Now, if you need to keep things riled up across multiple books/stories). That means that unless a character is dead, they have a chance at that HEA-- even if they have to go through absolute shit (or be an absolute shit) before they get to it. That's what makes Romance so great-- it gives all of us the chance to believe that even at our worst, maybe we too can get to a place of love.

So... idk, man. Lot of Izzy hate, lot of Izzy love, a lot of talking at cross-purposes. Critical analysis is great and I love it, but when it starts warping the understanding of story mechanics... that's I think a recipe for a lot of broken hearts and hurt feelings when the canon story eventually progresses and the narrative reveals what genre (with whatever associated tropes and arcs) it's going to ultimately end up being.

#our flag means death #real weird around here to be interested in the character of #Izzy Hands #and how to get to his Romance-genre Redemption #not because I give a shit about *him* #but because I give a shit about *guessing narrative solutions* #and then there's a whooooole lotta discourse about reality and hate and woobifying #while I'm just looking for someone to talk to me about narrative patterns #I read just about aaaaaaall the fic my dudes #steddy hands #the lot #what I *don't* read are the full-on hate fics #or even evil-all-along fics #(I'll read dark shit because I love a good Exploration Of Dark Shit) #but this is a Romance #imo #and therefore I'm working under Romance conventions

[romanarose]

read a dark!joel fic the other day that was REALLY dark

super dark. too dark for me.

You know what I did? I clicked out and moved on with my life.

I didn't send the writer hate, I didn't leave mean comments, i didnt tell other people i thought the writer was fucked

I moved on and found something else

its pretty simple, actually.

#dark fic #discourse

[doodlebloo]

the exact! image!

Okay TO be fair it's one of the first Google images if you search up Wall-E and Eve BUT STILL.!!! The exact image is crazyyy 😭 Thiscannot be how I get my second indirect CC notice

#''what was the first?'' well back in the dark ages i wrote a fic that inspired a comic that got a lot of discourse that caused Ranboo to get #a dono onstream asking about /a c!beeduo. so. this indirect notice is a vit more fun i think #asks

[ervotica]

okay idk how to explain this but like how does one like a fic that is noncon? i read the dark!abby and ellie fic and it was obvious reader wasn’t enjoying it and wished it didn’t happen, so i just can’t wrap my head around how that would be enjoyable for the reader to read when y/n isn’t enjoying it if that makes sense??? idk idk

Here is some reading for you, and here is another.

Cnc and noncon is a kink like any other, cnc being consensual non consent, so it’s in a controlled environment with prior consent before the scene. The fictional aspect of this particular situation makes it a controlled environment and you’d be surprised how many women have rape fantasies and other things of that nature.

Liking dark fics does not make you weird! They’re an acquired taste for sure but they are very popular here on tumblr and have been for YEARS

#bambi answers #this has been a psa #dark fic discourse #dark fics

[nny11writes]

Nunny! I'm sending you asks for your game.

I'm tempted to send you the entire post and just see the Nunny Rant. You might not even do She-ra. I'm thinking of She-ra sending these but go off about star wars or something else if you think it applies better to the question :D

the character everyone gets wrong (ahahhahahaaaaaaaaa)

8. common fandom opinion that everyone is wrong about (im sure there is a long list)

9 and 10 - Worst part of fanon and worst part of canon (imo there is some overlap)

13. worst blorboficiation

14. that one thing you see in fics all the time

25. common fandom complaint that you're sick of hearing

lakhglkajfas, I think my rant would mostly just be keyboard smashes and crying emojis so this is the better way to go lol!

the character everyone gets wrong God, like, fucking- ALL of them. :) Buuuuuut the one that's bugging me the most recently is Mermista.

I am SO sick of post canon Mermista in c/a fics specifically. Mermista would not hold a grudge that hard that long and that violently!!! Stop having her hate Catra and actively be out to do harm to her. Mermista's response to losing her kingdom was like a bad breakup where she just cried in a tub eating ice cream. Her response to seeing HORDAK at the end of the series was just a, "So are we good with him now?" implying that she's chill to be chill.

Mermista and Catra 100% would sit at a table calling one another a bitch (begrudgingly fond and pretend to not be) back and forth. Mermista would not be out to skin Catra alive! Mermista wants to talk to Catra about her murder novels because Perfuma reads too slowly and doesn't like spoilers but she NEEDS to talk to someone about the butler who has a brain cell because Sea Hawk seemed to miss the whole first half of the book AND FURTHER MORE-

9. and 10. - Worst part of fanon and worst part of canon

Worst part of fanon is the fucking shippers. This went from one of the more open and accepting fandoms for all ships that I'd ever been in to one of the worst.

Like, straight up, one of the fics that lives rent free in my head is an explicit fic where Catra and Hordak enthusiastically consent to having sex. Like Hordak is trying to be kinda standoffish but can't stop looking at boob window tits, he was Entrapta trained I'm afraid. The number of times I think of his awkward proposing they do it more frequently followed shortly by Catra dressing and winking saying, "Seriously, great cock!" is a lot lol. It's such a porn movie style fic and there is something fantastic to be said about it.

But you even hint that Catra could be headcanonned as anything besides a lesbian and your body will be found in a few months time in several different bags. Suggesting Catra and Hordak having any romantic or sexual relationship probably gets you reported to the fucking government or something. So there's a reason it's never made a rec list from me but fuck it I'm mentioning it now.

They aren't real. If I want to occasionally have a giggle about them and make my little dolls bump uglies everyone else should politely not look while my fellow weirdly sane people who get that this is all make believe but sure we're the freaks here come poke and enjoy!

Fucking shipping wars and discourse man. I'm sick of it.

Worst part of canon for me is the censorship and uncertainty that caused various issues with the plot and prevented the show from being even stronger. You can see it in real time while watching, but man it was wild in December 2018 to see how professional media talked about the show and Catra and Adora being adoptive sisters, to AJ (I think?) getting dumped on for repeating that idea and having to apologize, to the open gayness at the end. I love SPOP, but the rocky terrain the crew-ra had to navigate really did impact the quality and created weird gaps that asshole fans hunkered down into. Like, we cannot pry some of those fuckers out.

8. common fandom opinion that everyone is wrong about

I need you to understand that my immediate response when I started writing this answer out was a very strained and painful sigh through my nose as my brain returned a static white noise sound.

I am really tired of forcing this jock!Adora and slacker!Catra thing. Like, it started in modern AUs but it's gone and infected people's idea of canon as well. It falls into a bit of the "dumb adora" trope, which people just don't seem to actually understand what that means or is about. It also falls into Shadow Weaver's narrative of who Catra is which is wild. Like. Really wild.

You are telling me Catra, a cat person who grew up in a military, is actively against exercise? Yes, she would 100% sleep in a sunbeam for a nap, and then she wakes up and craves some low key chaos and violence.

You are telling me Adora, forced into a golden child and leadership position, is bad at reading and math and science because all she cares about is training? Adora 100% enjoys physical fitness and using her body, but she's got a sharp mind on her and there's no way in hell she doesn't like to work it too.

I am just exhausted with it in modern AUs, and now it has gone to infect canon interpretations. It flattens their characters out, ignores/denies parts of their abuse, and nukes their abilities from orbit. I hate it so so much.

Also if I have to see one more fic or art piece where Catra is willingly and happily wearing dresses, skirts, and heels I swear to fucking god I will KILL. :)

13. worst blorboficiation

Again, this is all of them. Everyone suffers from being blorbo'd to an insane degree, but it just shifts depending on which character is the favorite of that part of the fandom. You have talked several times about the insanity of Catra fans vs. Hordak fans, the blorboification is insane there. Same with Catra fans vs. Glimmer fans.

Like. God damn. I'm so glad the Adora vs. Catra fan fights died out real quick because this fandom is exhausting enough.

With Catra being my favorite it's extra exhausting because there is CONSTANTLY people attacking her and then total asshats trying to defend her who I do not want to be associated with. I love her. She's a fucking idiot and a bastard and a baby. Somehow, every take on her is both the worst and factually correct and then the fandom fights.

Tipsy, I. Am. Tired.

14. that one thing you see in fics all the time

OKAY

Let's fucking talk about how GLIMMER IS NOT AN EVIL BITCH. Can we talk about that? STOP TRYING TO LEAVE THIS POST AND SIT YOUR ASS DOWN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS AGAIN because someone needs to hear it louder in the back.

Glimmer is the character who is probably be done the dirtiest by the fandom but for wildly different reasons throughout the whole show. Hands down.

After S1 fandom took Glimmer and made her into an entitled dumbass whiner who threw money and her titles at her problems. They made her act like a child without any complexity. And it 100% took me from not really liking her character much to detesting her which is outrageous every time I remember that I kinda hated her at that point.

This did not improve post S2. :)

Post S3 probably was the most sympathetic and understanding the fandom was to Glimmer but it came at the cost of trying to bulldoze Catra for the Portal and people making callout posts like these characters were real people. I feel like the rise of some of the G/A shippers that I really can't stand was around this time. It was catra vs. glimmer fans going bat shit and drawing lines for ships.

If they couldn't assassinate Glimmer's character, by god the fandom would assassinate both Catra and Adora's in wildly different ways instead!

Do I need to talk about post S4? The idea of dark Glimmer and Glimmer going off the rails should have been a fun thing to play with in the sandbox and instead just writing it down made me cringe. Now Glimmer has to be an evil bitch because she had a trauma response and made bad decisions, now she is irredeemable because I made up a situation where she did something she didn't in canon for reasons so OOC someone probably slapped Donut Steel on it somewhere.

There was a little lift post series, but man people are holding onto Glimmer being a spoiled brat to play off of for Catra or a cruel bitch for Catra and, again, as a Catra fan, I want to bite bite kill kill bite kill kill kill!!!

Glimmer is allowed to grow up from being a spoiled kid who had good intentions and was naive. She is allowed to be over eager, bratty, petty, silly, funny, caring, and smart too. She's allowed to make bad choices and struggle with how to recover from it.

STOP MAKING ME THE LEAVE BRITTNEY ALONE MEME FOR GLIMMER

25. common fandom complaint that you're sick of hearing

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#choose violence ask game #spop #she ra #long post #my hot takes that are very true and correct and somehow someone will say I'm wrong #love how much I'm like ''wish more people would be active in the fandom'' #and also ''MORE OF YOU NEED TO LEAVE NOW'' I am #stahp pitting bad bitches against one another #also #deadly serious #SHUT UP ABOUT REDEMPTION ARCS #I do not care who did or did not have one according to other fans who want to torture their least fave #*creaky old man voice* back in my day we wrote hate fic as a hobby not a religion! #you know that joke about seeing discourse that's like watching a dark shadow pass below your boat? #sometimes I see the fucking leviathan pop its head out to try and convince me of who deserves love and happiness #in the show about how EVERYONE is deserving of love and making your own happiness as you heal #and I feel like the protagonist from Dredge just pretending I don't see it to get back to shore

[bereft-of-frogs]

my annoyance at overly violent ‘x type of people don’t even think about looking at this post, don’t even breathe on this post or I’ll (violent threat)’ vs my annoyance at the smug ‘um actually x type of people BETTER interact with this post, I see you not interacting with this post’

Fight.

#the discourse (tm) #also the deepest irony at dark fic or true crime writing getting so much shit compared to some of the violence in these posts #that’s a wider issue but Jesus the creativity

[anupalya]

Given the predictable intersection of various conversations, I would like to say, just in general:

Being critical of widespread trends in fandom that replicate mainstream societal biases does not make you:

An anti

A gatekeeper

An asshole

Engaging with and enjoying "problematic" ships or kinky/dark fic as fantasy clearly unintended to intersect with reality does not make you:

A bad person

A pedophile

An enabler

These things are on two different scales. The first is about creating a fandom culture and environment that doesn't constantly direct microaggressions (at best) at marginalized fans and continue replicating stereotypes, saturating the dominant fandom culture and further entrenching existing biases.

The second is about recognizing that "problematic" ships and fics are equivalent to solo kink roleplay in your own head, using the characters as personas instead of acting it out with your partner(s) (and please recall that kink is not always sexual).

The first issue is addressed by listening to and elevating marginalized voices and being open to introspection and learning. It is in de-normalizing harmful stereotypes and trends that pervade real life within fandom spaces.

The second is addressed by clear and appropriate tagging, to ensure that such content consumption is consensual and curatable on an individual level (and the act of clear and appropriate tagging and labeling itself even calls the "problematic" elements what they are, the opposite of normalizing them).

The first is about overarching, dominant trends in fandom that constitute patterns that reveal how we at least subconsciously perceive people and characters.

The second is about how on an individual level, fic and shipping are tools for the brain to process any number of concepts and experiences, for non-straightforward reasons.

An inclusive space is (or should be) a kink-positive space, and vice-versa. And both of these are antithetical to purity culture.

#fandom discourse #fandom wank #fandom inclusivity #stereotyping #kink-positive #dark fic #purity culture #dinluke

[narmothewraith]

Introduction of my blog

My main rule is when interacting with me: just be nice and if you harass people for the content they like?? Just fuck off, this page is safe for the freaks. (I mean look at the warning) As long you're nice and you let me be me, I won't give a fuck who you are. So yeah that's all :)

~ I go by the name; Sam

~ I'm a masc person and while I prefer male pronouns I don't really give a fuck, so you can call me anything.

~ I'm 18 and post/reblog 18+ content now and then, so if you're uncomfortable with 18+ content or are a minor please do not interact with those posts... Thank you <3 Uhhh so basically I'm being horny on main...

⚠️ WARNING: I play DoL (Degrees of Lewdity) and I post/reblog stuff about it but it's a very fucked up porn game, so I will post/reblog dark content on here. I will try to tag accordingly but yeah. In general there will be some reblogs of dark content, so if you don't like that, well this was a warning ⚠️

#My thoughts on some things + a bit about me -> #I dislike shipping discourse (and labels) So I don't consider myself anything #I do agree with them about: Ship who you want with whoever. Don't like; don't read/Dead dove; do not eat #and the very basic one don't harass people about fucking fiction!! #I'm anti censorship. Cause I believe it's a very slippery hill and don't want to take any chances #while I very much hate stuff like l0llicon. I still believe it shouldn't be censored because then would also the works that deal with csem #and other works that deal with inappropriate stuff between adults and minors but in a way to showcase the awful aspects #or the ones with an unreliable narrative (like in Lolita) be also censored and I think it would bring more harm than good #uhh yeah. If you're a pedophile; seek help and even better go to jail. I don't tolerate that shit #One thing that should be banned: Real People fics. They are fucking creepy especially because the “subject” is a real fucking human being!! #anyway a bit more about me: I like dark content; such as yandere #other heavy/dark things (I mean look at DoL... I love that game but the shit that happens?? Oef) #i'm very much into problematic and toxic fictional men (also women but less) and am lowkey a monsterfucker :) #so yeah. The content I consume don't reflect my actual morals :) #and yeah i'm a freak myself so ofcourse this blog is safe for other freaks #proship safe #pinned intro #my own post

[dreamspring]

not to vent but why do some ppl on ao3 suddenly forget how to read when it comes to tags!!!! 💀

#it’s basic ao3 etiquette… pls #there’s so much discourse ina comment section of a dark fic i wrote which was legit just meant to be crack 😭 #it’s completely unserious but even after seeing the tags ppl were like ‘yeah ill read that’ and then complained in the comment section #about how i killed someone off in the story… like it’s literally tagged that way. so clearly #if you didn’t want to read about this person dying why. did you click on it #IT SAYS MAJOR CHARACTER DEATH. #IM SO CONFUSED AND BAFFLED. anyways #mossy posts #vent #vent tw

[doodlebloo]

yeah an SBI fic recs account retweeted a dark sbi fic and the document from february is back on twitter, so that's. great .

Full disclosure I also don't know what the document from February is... Srry 💔

#i also dont think i fully get dark sbi... like its cTommy but they kidnap him and they like give him stockholm (?) #& thats like a genre of fic i think? idk #tbh i dont know if this is a can of worms i particularly want to open so i will probs stay out of it srry #tysm for the info though! <3 :) #asks #discourse #(tagging jic)