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sketching-shark · 2 years
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Watched Monkey King: The One and Only on the youtube the other day and while as a totality it was a pretty meh experience (not to mention was clearly ripping off from other more popular monkey-king based films aafweefaw) it also provided some genuinely funny interactions like this:
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real-sun-wukong-fan01 · 9 months
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IDEAAAA
What if the successor plan was never wukong's, but his staff's? like, his staff decided to get wukong a successor, and wukong improvised and acted like it was his idea (totally not because he can talk to the staff and the staff has a mind on it's own.)
wukong simply watched mk because he liked to see the guy be so fascinated by monkey king's stories. He watched tang too, y'know. And more.
His ego is still there.
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tianshiisdead · 1 year
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I wonder how an analysis of Babel would look like thru a Chinese lense 🧐 ngl I was surprised by how few Babel likers are Chinese or like, Chinese ppl who have a really solid grasp on Chinese storytelling, literature, and media (not an insult or judgement lol I'm in that camp too) it's a diaspora book but diaspora aren't totally isolated from the motherland either. I'd love to write something as a tribute but I'm not quite sure what to compare it to, or if I have the understanding to do so.
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marblescorner · 2 years
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im violently avoiding reading JTTW by watching so many garbage chinese films about it (they aren’t THAT bad, they’re just.. weird. but entertaining enough)
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the-monkey-ruler · 1 year
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A Supplement to the Journey to the West is so hetero lol. I swear it was written by a fan who thought it was weird that Monkey had no love interests in the original story.
Funny thing... I really love Supplement XD
Like I KNOW it is insane and anyone that has read it knows it much more like... Alice in Wonderland kind of storytelling rather than anything coherent. Location change on a whim, people come and go out of nowhere, and it's more of a bunch of symbolism tighten put together than anything like a trusted narrative.
Even Wukong being married to Princess Iron Fan is just more symbolism of him having to deal with his desire and the end villain supposedly being a demon made of the same stone as Wukong but as an Evil Fish... like... you can't just add on 'oh by the way, Wukong has a long-lost fish brother.'
If anything I find the story fascinating that it practically shows an alternative universe of 'what ifs' and impossible feats. Yama is dead. Time travel is a thing. Heaven has fallen to earth. Tripitaka is a general in an army. Wukong impersonating the Six-Eared Macaque..... THERE IS SO MUCH GOING ON AND IT'S ACTUALLY REALLY FUN IF YOU CAN GET WITH IT. The idea that Wukong marries Princess Iron Fan because he knocked her up BY JUMPING IN HER STOMACH is so MIND BOGGLING. Also Red Son just... doesn't exist. It says Princess Iron Fan as NO other children from Demon Bull King and even Wukong is confused because he KNOWS he fought her child.
And if you know the story then you know... it's all a dream/illusion made by a demon trying to eat Tripitaka and honestly, it sounds more like Wukong's nightmare than a dream.
And there are earlier interpretations of Sun Wukong before Wu Cheng'en made his final draft in the 1600s, one of those being Sun Xingzhe from Zaju Xiyou ji by Yang Jingxian who was known for being much lustier and having a wife Princess Golden Cauldron. He also had four other siblings as well. While this never made it in Wu Cheng'en's draft there was a lot more versions of monkey yao before the creation of Journey to the West.
I take it a lot more like modern media whenever a movie or a show tries to give one of the pilgrims a love interest. In many, if not most cases they die... rip. But it is that kinda 'what if' scenarios more for the sake of entertainment or trying to flesh out an already fully fledged character. I doubt SJTTW is meant to try to emulate JTTW the same way modern media doesn't try to claim Sun Wukong would actually have a partner as he has shown no interest in romance within the novel. Romance is left more to Zhu Bajie~
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lilnasxvevo · 10 months
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Saw a video clip from some movie and the clip very clearly portrayed Sun Wukong getting wasted by Buddha’s hand and someone was like “what is this from” and op was like “it’s from this bonkers version of journey to the west that you should watch”
THANKS MAN THAT NARROWS IT DOWN
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celestialkiri · 10 months
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do you have some little headcanons on your Au? i love it
I have a few silly ones for Wukong and Sophie Wukong
Doesn't like sweet things (except fruits) like candy, pastries ect.
Night owl, sleeps late if he can
Hates mornings
A natural model of resting B-face
Has insecurities = Ego big, hot-tempered and mean but he tries
Needs therapy but is too stubborn to talk about his feelings
Bad monkey = sad monkey. Monkey tries tho!
Loves his adoptive mother
Monkey likes Sophie. Monkey protects Sophie but Monkey bad telling about his feelings = Monkey asshole to Sophie
Veiny arms and good monkey pecs
Takes good care of his looks when he can. It's not always easy tho-
Has way too many armors/clothes and still can't choose what to wear
Surprisingly good with kids
Sophie
Likes sweets but overly sweet is a no no
Favorite ice cream flavors are peach, melon, and coconut
Her favorite music genres are pop, film soundtrack and metal covers
European (specifically from North. Haven't decided the country yet)
Loves plants but kills them. No matter what she does to take care of them
Has master degree of Arts
National geographic nerd
Owns a NG book about monkeys and it's with her in JTTW
Loves drama. Spill the tea plz but doesn't want to be part of it
Likes Wukong but bad monkey gives mixed signals = Friend??
No wifi is sad times
Baby monkeys are her weakness
She can curse a lot but uses it as a way to express the vibe/feeling but she tries to limit it
No fighting skills nor epic magical stuff. VERY normal human woman who rather runs away than fight (as 99% of us would do let's be real here)
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quitealotofsodapop · 3 months
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The crew listens to Epic: the Musical.
MK's favorite song is Legendary.
Wukong identifies with Just a Man (not that he'll admit it).
Macaque likes Ruthlessness because he's an emo little stinker.
Sandy likes Open Arms (of course).
Tang and Red Son like Warrior of the Mind.
Pigsy really thinks the monkeys should take Luck Runs Out to heart.
Mei likes Keep Your friends close (a fun bop that belies danger underneath, just like her).
I have to be careful binging a new muscial (or in this case Saga) cus I end up playing each song on loop for hours. Opinions might change once the full and finished versions of later sagas are released.
I love all these hcs <3
Im imagining the gang likely sees/listens to Epic on the reccomendation of MK (who's currently on a Greek Mythology hyperfixation), and he gets them all to watch the full play - maybe in the future as a irl performance or film.
"Legendary" is SUCH an MK song. Both him and Telemachus growing up with the stories of someone dear to them and wanting to replicate their success. I could also see him really liking "Warrior of the Mind" with the theme of "some nobody" gaining the favor of a god (reminds you of anyone?) + SWK is infamously the personification of The Mind in Jttw so its a bonus. MK is smiling evily whenever a harsh plot twist occurs and his fam are shocked silent. >:3
Sun Wukong feels targeted personally with how many of the Epic songs remind him of his past. Ofc he starts crying halfway through "Horse and the Infant", and is inconsolable during "Just A Man" - verbally yelling "NO!" at the end. And like Nezha and Sandy is *silent* during Posideon's songs. Is super jazzed during the triumphant Ithaca Saga though! And feels mega catharic during "King" when Odysseus proves that he still rules to the suitors! He tries his best to hide how much the muscial is affecting him.
Macaque is a canon theatre Nerd - so he's already listened to the musical multiple times, but he's uber excited to see the live performance (and secretly bond with his found fam). Is rocking out during "Ruthlessness" and "Done For" in particular, so much so that he's fidgeting and dancing within his seat. He also vibes with "No Longer You" as someone with powers of prophecy. Is really amazed how much Wukong gets into the musical, but in retrospect understands *why*. Him and Wukong accidentally share a glance during "Would You Fall In Love With Me Again" and it gets a little awkward afterwards.
Mei is similarly excited to see anything with her bestie, so she tried her best not hear/see any spoilers ("it's a centuries' old story Mei" "Ssssh!! Dont tell me!"). She was shooketh by how hard the muscial goes. "Keep Your Friends Close" is her fave based on beat alone. She gets delightedly scared and amazed by consistent horse imagery used with Posideon (shameless link to my fave Animatic of "Ruthlessness").
Tang loves himself some historical and mythological adaptations, and is estatic that MK has given him an excuse to go see one! He's not as familar with Hellenic mytholgy as he is with Hindu-Chinese, but he knows enough lore to make the pog-champ face at every foreshadowing/reference. "Warrior of the Mind" really gets to him as a song about valuing your smarts. He also feels really empathetic for Calypso.
Pigsy only went cus Tang begged him. He feels super lost by the deep Greek lore he's missing, but he can get Odysseus's whole thing with trying to get home - but he def identifies more with Eurylochus. "Luck Runs Out" proves this to him. Later on he feels that the second-in-command was justified in having the soldiers rebel against Odysseus after so many losses (who wouldn't after losing all their friends?). Audibly gasps at the end of "Just A Man" - cus who would just do that!? Is a little freaked out by Circe turning the Athenian's into pigs - Eurylochus is depicted as partly-transformed, played by a pig-demon actor who was in super convincing human makeup in the previous sagas. He also gets protective feelings by-proxy seeing Telemachus's situation since the prince reminds him of MK. Is surprised by how much he likes the musical!
Sandy feels betrayed. This isn't like Disney Hercules at all! He does really enjoy Polites message in "Open Arms" and the later moments when the hopeful soldier's outlook is proven correct. He's a little overwhelmed at points though - he get eerily quiet during Posideon's scenes. He sobs joyfully when Odysseus finally makes it home and reunites with his family! :')
Because of this really good animatic/almost child-like depiction of Aelous by gigi; I can def see "Keep Your Friends Close" being Nezha's fave. It reminds Nezha of when he was far more carefree + has a solid lesson on about trust/"forbidden fruit". He also enjoys the more march-like tune of "Survive". He does however, freeze when he listens to Posideon's songs "Ruthlessness" and "Get in the Water" - he has been on the bad end of a sea god before and is quietly shtting himself for Odysseus.
Red Son goes in feeling like he could have stayed at home listening to the musical on his phone while working on a car instead. He is however blown away by the heavy themes and performances, especially "Warrior of the Mind" and Telemachus's situation - a prince forced to grow up fatherless and protecting his mother from suitors due to his dad pissing off a higher power? Hello?? Accidentally shrieks "YES!!!" when Athena becomes Telemachus's mentor/friend after "Little Wolf".
Princess Iron Fan I could see loving any song including Penelope (she empathizes with the Queen's situation hard), but unexpectedly enjoys "Keep Your Friends Close" - she's a fellow Wind Goddess at her core. It also reminds her of her not-so-little-anymore nephew.
DBK on the flip side loves the heavier songs like "Polyphemus" and "Ruthlessness". This man is a Posedion apologist. He does feels bad for Odysseus by the end though - man just wants to get back to his wife and kid dammit!
Bonus: The Spider Gang are watching the bootleg and Spider Queen agrees with Circe's whole girlboss attitude especially "Puppeteer". Scorpion Queen is Calypso in "Not Sorry For Loving You".
This got a little away from me - hope you enjoy!
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sketching-shark · 2 years
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Sun Wukong: “Yeah okay I ruined one(1) heavenly banquet and consumed a bunch of immortality granting treats but then the deities slaughtered basically my entire family.”
Tang Sanzang: “Wow I am so disappointed you’re not over that already”
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Even though I do not ship anyone unless it's canon (because i myself despite romance, and plus i don't feel that much comfortable shipping someone from someone else culture without feeling like I'm disrespecting the said culture)
Mei and red son do sound pretty good together,
not too much for me to ship them, but i surely find red boy x mei more fitting than red boy and MK,
I don't see MK being that much interested in dating or anything, and i just see them as them going on the path for enemies to best friends,
i do see red boy and mei because they match energy and they just seem fitting to me that's all,
Just stating an opinion on two ships
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I was wondering if you have any knowledge on both the Bull Demon King's steed, The Water Repelling Golden Crystal Beast, and his brother the Immortal Ruyi. I read that they both exist in JTTW but I can't find much information about them at all beyond that and I was curious to know more if you knew anything about them?
The Bull Demon King's steed, the "Water-Repelling, Golden-Eyed Beast" (Bishui jinjing shou, 辟水金睛獸; a.k.a. Jinjing shou, 金睛獸, "Golden-Eyed Beast"), appears in chapters 60 and is referenced in chapters 61 and 63. It is never described, and I don't believe that it appears in any other chapters. The only things we know are: 1) It can freely travel through water; 2) It will let anyone ride it. For instance, Sun Wukong hops on it without first magically disguising himself; and 3) It has a carved saddle.
The picture below is just an artist's interpretation. It looks like a mix between a dragon and a lion.
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As for the Bull Demon King's brother, the "True Immortal Compliant" (Ruyi zhenxian, 如意真仙), I write about his arc here:
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ryin-silverfish · 3 days
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You said that the execution of S4 failed, so how should it have been or what were the steps that should be followed? Genuine interest. Might help anyone who is writing about Jttw.
Basically: Extraordinary twist requires extraordinarily good explanations, and the big honcho of the Celestial Realm getting killed by a Bodhisattva's cat is one such twists. Yet it isn't explained properly other than JE's vague statement that "his time is up".
(Is this an attempt at alluding to the concept of "Peril" (劫), something even immortals and celestials must endure in order to continue existing, and the Buddhist idea that beings of the Path of Heaven are still not free from the cycle of life and death, however near-infinite their lifespan is?)
(If so, then SAY IT.)
But my biggest issue is the huge Show-not-Tell problem regarding the corruption of the Celestial Realm.
Like, due to the influence of 1961 Havoc in Heaven and the "SWK as peasant rebel" reading that became the dominant narrative during the Maoist era, the Celestial Realm ("feudal" regime), as well as the Buddha and the Buddhist pantheon (religion), get demonized a lot in Chinese JTTW media.
Through that lens, Havoc in Heaven is the story of a grassroot hero fighting against a huge, ancient, corrupt institution, and either winning or losing, and even when he loses, it's the crushing of a revolutionary martyr by the old reactionaries: tragic, but the nobleness and righetousness of his goal is never in doubt.
(I dislike the "class warfare" reading too. A lot, in fact. But that's a story for another day.)
Which is what LMK S4 seems to be going for…and where it flounders.
Like, a Chinese viewer has that context, because most of our popular JTTW adapations dial up the Celestial Realm's prejudice against SWK and its corruption to some extent, as a justification for Havoc in Heaven.
A western viewer who hasn't watched the '61 film, or the '86 TV show, or the '99 cartoon, doesn't have that context, and LMK's oddly empty Celestial Realm that seemed to be populated entirely by Nezha, JE and nameless NPC soldiers doesn't help in the slighest.
(As a JTTW novel liker, my personal opinion is that book!Celestial Realm, even though it is not cartoonishly evil, still sucks ass, and the JE is a typical, mediocre dynastic ruler who's good at upholding the status quo, but extremely petty and vicious to subjects who have personally offended him, like Sha Wujing or the governor of Fengxian Prefecture.)
(They did show more leniency to SWK pre-Havoc in the book than in most modern adaptations, however, despite their fuck-ups.)
And that's how you get fans claiming "SWK never wants the Havoc in Heaven!"
After all, we haven't seen the Celestial Realm being assholes, or, y'know, subjecting a prefecture to an eternal-in-all-but-name drought until people sold their children for three bushels of grains and were driven to cannibalism, because the governor spilled JE's offerings and fed them to the dogs (novel canon, btw), and Nezha seems like a nice guy! How bad could the regime be, really?
Like, you can absolutely show a rebellion falling apart, becoming corrupted from the inside, causing just as much damage to the commoners as the regime they are fighting, and rebels who are far from heroic.
Or how popular rebellions like these were against the corrupt officials and laws, but seldom the emperor himself, and even those that did aim at deposing an emperor were about putting their guy of choice on the dragon chair, instead of dealing away with the dynastic system itself.
Yet the grievances behind those rebellions were also 100% real. The corruption, the abuse of power, the massive human sufferings that led to armed uprisings thoroughout Chinese history, many of which failed while others became the last straw that toppled a dynasty.
And that part, I feel, is neither shown well nor explored properly.
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pitofpurple · 7 months
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are you a fan of Chinese mythology
are you a fan of JTTW
are you a fan of Red boy from journey to the west
did you just finish the chapter in journey to the west where Sun Wukong fights redboy and now you want to know what happens next?
Okay maybe that last one’s a bit specific but if you said yes to even one of these you should watch this movie
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It’s a really fun watch with funny jokes and cool action with absolutely no romance. It includes fan favorites such as Nezha, Ao lie (but like, evil) and Sun Wukong as well as new characters like the best character in the movie
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Haha. (Yes that is his actual name and it’s pronounced just how it sounds. His name is an unintentional joke) that brings me to the real reason I want more people to watch this film. This boy is the bestest of boys and he deserves the world. He is a dog boy, he is a comic relief who is actually funny, and his dream is to eat the moon. I’m serious he actually says that.
I can’t say much without spoilers but he deserves so much more than the film could reasonably give him and I need people to talk about this with please tell me someone else has watched this movie.
actually screw that
youtube
watch it. You won’t regret it. There are English captions. Please I’m begging you
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dragzo · 7 months
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Day 20- Bones
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It is said in JTTW that the White Bone Demon could appear as a skeleton. So I rolled with that idea and ended up here, with my LMK horror house idea.
MK and his friends find this old abandoned house which has been rumoured to be haunted. Mei, who wants to film their reactions for her stream, coerces them to go inside with her. Pigsy and Tang are mildly terrified, until Tang eventually realises how much he adores the structure of the building and begins rambling to Pigsy who is still terrified, but is comforted by Tang’s invigorated interest. Mei and MK sneak off to see if there really is anything ‘haunted’ in this place, but as Mei tugs MK along, her hand slips and MK loses her as she runs past a wall. He tries to find her, but he hears a faint voice coming from one of the closed off rooms. It sounds like…destiny.
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the-monkey-ruler · 2 months
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Which translation/adaptation of JTTW is best for beginners? Besides maybe Dragon Ball (doubt it counts)
Heh yeah I mean it’s a great anime but I don’t think you would have a good Xiyouji experience per se. Usually, I see Dragon Ball used as a gateway for people to THEN read/watch Xiyouji content but like it doesn’t really have much Xiyouji plot wise even if the characters are homages.
I would say that if you want an ACCURATE Xiyouji experience then you can choose between three shows. That being the classic 1986 which is many people's first Xiyouji experience as the cast is so iconic you see these designs in dozens of movies and their influence in future performances. The second is more family-friendly but still one of the most charming and fairly accurate portrayals is the 1999 Xiyouji animation, I would say far more younger people's first piece of media and without a doubt the best Xiyouji animation series thus far personally. That last I would suggest is 2011 Xiyouji series which is one of the more newer shows and I would say I would that if you want more modern effects and humor than this might be a preferance to the 1986 version. They both have their own charm but just depends on what you are looking for!
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Now while these are the most accurate there are some Xiyouji media I would still recommend even if they take far more liberties.
This without a doubt being the 1996 tv series. This is portrayed as more of a drama but between the characters and the pure HEART AND LOVE that is in this show that you will be falling in love with the characters. It vaguely follows the Xiyouji monster of the weak formula but taking far more time to humanize each enemy and having our main cast overcome not only physical obstacles but also their own emotional obstacles as well. Fantastic show. Another is Chinese Odessey (please note this is a two part movie)! This does NOT follow the journey at all instead more of an introspective of the character Wukong. This is more of comedy but this is a cult classic as one of the first romance films with Wukong to show him as more of a complex hero which was a deviation from how he was portrayed in media for years as this point. This movie is silly but it is actually very heartfelt and makes you feel for these characters's plights. If you don't know Xiyouji I would say you will be confused, but you can fall in love with these characters anyway! Whil I can't suggest Dragon Ball I can suggest another Son Goku from My Son Goku! This is a Japanese production but the animation is so fluid and the characters are not only charming but there are some heart reaching scenes in this very cute art style! I would say give this a watch if you enjoy anime but also can appreciate angst even in a cute style.
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If you are looking for more just great Xiyouji movies that you can pop in and a fantastic one is the 2015 Hero is Back! This was the Wukong come back animation-wise since 1999 and a lot of people first Wukong in the big screens! Does take liberties story wise as we don't see Sha Wujing or any of the journey really, but the HEART and soul of Sun Wukong is there. Another great one is just watching the first and classic 1961 Havoc in Heaven! This was the staple of Wukong iconics for decades and even now you see this Wukong in commercials! This is just a beautiful art style and without a doubt charming and feel good vibes. This one is surprising but actually Nezha Reborn where Sun Wukong actually makes a cameo appearance, but I hear so many people got into Xiyouji just cause how much they love him. So while it's not Xiyouji I would say give it a watch if you are a die hard Sun Wukong fan.
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There is also Monkey King Reborn which while less known I still think is wonderfully popular and shows both great animation and also how all three characters of Wukong, Bajie, and Wujing interact in a movie. There is also Monkey King 2 which I know that usually I would say which the first movie but honestly the second movie is my personal fav. You don't miss much without watching the first as the second starts right at the begging of the journey and we are introduced to some of the best designs for these characters in my opinion. This last one is kinda of a hit-or-miss but Conquering the Demon! This one follows Sanzang as a demon hunter in a loosely based story of him finding his disciples, each more monstrous than the last in a dark-comedy! If you enjoy Stephen Chow films then you know what kind of humor you are going to get but it is new take on Xiyouji films in a unique but still entertaining manner! They really make you feel for Sanzang as a character and one of the best humanizations of him really as a man still learning about the world himself.
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There some other that are great but I would suggest more on a second watch or if you know the story more! Saiyuki / The Great Alakazam was the first eng dub saiyuki piece of media that came to the USA and still had a lasting influence with the beloved character Rinrin! There is also Monkey King 2009 that only looks at the story BEFORE the journey, adding so many elements to Wukong's childhood and his relationship with the Six Eared Macaque. I would also suggest the Monkey King Netflix Movie as while it is fast-paced it really makes you understand how dangerous but also how complex Sun Wukong is. I think it was a charming movie so give it a watch!. Last is Immortal Demon Slayer! This movie was based on a web novel that was extremely popular in the early 2000s which was based off Chinese Odessey funny enough! This is a movie I would suggest if you know Xiyouji already but it such a tragedy I have to share if you love angst.
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If anyone wants to share their what was their first Xiyouji or their favorite Xioyuji please let me know!
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cloud-somersault · 5 months
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I agree with your point on wukong having other priorities that aren't just all Maacque. (as much as I love shadowpeach) I want to see wukong just like...fucking gardening, or building a fence, or shit going to his favorite spot off mountain to have a picnic and oversee a town getting sacked by raiders and just steps in cuz they are gonna ruin his lunch! Yeah I agree, they need to also live their life!
aw, that would be cute! Wukong gardening 🥺💕 Like, actually putting in the work instead of relying on magic. But yeah, he should have hobbies outside of his relationships. Aside from just watching television.
And I think he does in the show, though mostly he is just lazing around, we haven't gotten to see a lot of Wukong just vibing aside from in season 1. I think him having picnics and seeing scenic views and vistas is totally something he would do. Wukong has always liked traveling.
Also, just him going to the Celestial Realm more?? He ofc has his reservations, but the Jade Emperor and the gods aren't the only things up there. Wukong likes to just laze about a lot, let him laze about up there.
In Constellations specifically, since he's refocused on bonds, Wukong spends a lot more time with people in comparison to before. Also with his subjects in comparison to before. SWK was pretty social in JTTW, lots of parties and feasts, having over 70 people that he considered to be close friends. I think he'd return to that a bit, not to the extent as before, but he'd remember how fun it is hanging out with others and having a good time.
Because he also has a lot to learn. After being isolated, the world has changed in large ways. The internet??? Also, one hobby I love for Wukong to have is knitting. He's always been picky about his appearance and put together his own outfits or whatever (tiger skins, etc) so I like him making some of his own accessories or whatever.
Combining that with the internet is also just fun. Wukong just seeing all kinds of patterns and yarn and wanting to make new things for people? Let's go, MK has plenty of sweaters now.
And Macaque! He desperately needs more attention and hobbies. Hello, he loves new information! He'd love to see how the world's changed, how things got from point A to point B. I HC he's into musicals, especially historic musicals. I also think he'd be a bit of a film critic. He'd be particular about what movies he watches, often liking those by certain directors whose style he likes or finds intriguing or interesting premises.
Macaque, loving magic and, while getting caught up in what's changed, gets inspired to make his own spells again.
And Macaque has his own bonds to make and friendships to pursue. I'm here for him being friends with Mei and Tang for sure. And lately, I've been thinking of Nezha and Macaque friendship? I think that'd be interesting. And also Princess Iron Fan and Macaque.
Like there's so much untapped potential, and instead of running away from that or thinking that it doesn't serve shadowpeach, can I emphasize that it absolutely does? In developing Wukong and Macaque outside of each other, they can bring those new perspectives, hobbies, insights back into their relationship.
They've changed, so now their relationship can change. It only gives both the characters, and the way they interact with each other, more depth.
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