#rtalsorian

[highshelfcollective]

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[thirstyforred]

my lukewarm take is that either RTalsorian or CDPR, but in the best case scenario: both, should have official, canon to respective universes, actual play campaigns of Cyberpunk Red and Witcher TRPG

yes this will not be an instant hit like CR or D20, or even VTM series are right now, but it also doesn't have to, get a good storyteller, a few people that are not camera/mic shy, and make them tell a story in a world they already like

i can't speak for cp77 fandom, but there're Witcher fans that also play RPGs and don't know about the witcher system, or if they do, they find it too crunchy, because yeah it's different from D&D 5e! (and I thought the same, but looking under the hood more, so to speak, I think they're actually pretty similar in the amount of fucking math you need to do on a regular)

but it's still a storytelling game, and no better way to show it than thru telling a story

treat it as an advertisement for your rule books, if you have to, make it a podcast with good sound design if not a whole show, and release it on YT, keep talking about it, keep talking about it on official channels, make CDPR talk about it

idk, I just watched the latest ep of NY by Night and it would be so cool to have something like that for Witcher to show my friends, both the ones that are into monster slaying already, and the ones I play other RPGs systems with

#my dear friend ryan i know it ended up being more directed to rtalsorian #but still... #rtalsorian #the witcher #gwent #yes now all my #posts to cdpr agents are also tagged as gwent sorry total drama fandom

[pinkyjulien]

It's been rotating in my head all morning and since I have to wait a few hours to get my day started, might as well throw my two cents in a proper post

We really should talk about Kerry Eurodyne

Now before you run off, I think it's important to point something out; As a fandom veteran who been here since early 2021, I think others will agree when I say that the discourse surrounding Kerry has always been a hot topic that comes back around every few weeks- but why does it keep coming back?

I'm well placed to know that ignoring a problem and not talking about it publicly doesn't solve anything; everyone is quick to throw assumption and accusations, to make "callout" post, to blow things out of proportions, to take someones's squick as personal attack, and the mob mentality does the rest; everyone follow whoever is going to be the loudest about an ongoing "fandom drama"

This isn't an attempt to show anyone that they're "wrong" or "right"; there is no right or wrong in this recurring discourse. This post is an attempt at opening an healthy and mature conversation! I come in peace gfhgfh

Prefacing this by saying that I'm not a Kerry fan, and I'm not bisexual. So why the hell do I care? Well to be frank, I don't particularly care, I have my own opinions on the character, but I do care (to an extent) about this "community" and I hate seeing what happened to me happen to others, especially new commers who never meant anything wrong. Nobody deserves to be bullied out of a fandom for sharing their opinions on their own blog/space!

Alright this intro was long but let's get on it- buckle up cause this is going to be a looooot of rambling

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Through the years/months, I've noticed something rather sad; this isn't a debate between bisexual people vs biphobic people, as a lot of people might think and assume; this has always been queer people sharing, sometimes in a really awkward and hurtful way, their interpretation of a character (don't block me yet, please hear me out)

Those who know me knows that I personally care a lot about the canon and writers's visions, so first I want to share some posts about Kerry made by his literal "parents"

Mateusz Tomaszkiewicz, Narrative Designer at CDPR, shared informations on the different romance interest back in December 2020, on the game's release day

When asked about a MLM relationship option, here what he states:

(don't leave just yet)

On a now-deleted comment, RTalsorianGames, original creator of the Cyberpunk tabletop game and by definition original creator of Kerry Eurodyne, stated the following:

Please note that CDPR did in fact consult with Mike himself about Kerry being a MLM exclusive romance!

(Also this isn't a debate about if Kerry cares about V or not, let's not derail this conversation, remember that everyone is allowed to interpret a character and a relationship as they wish)

I wanted to share these tweets to point something really important; there is no "right" or "wrong" label for Kerry, and it all boils down to interpretation < key word

Kerry have multiple states; we HAVE to remember Kerry exist in some kind of cyberpunk multiverse!

We have his 2020 and 2023 self that are confirmed to be bisexual; this is the Kerry Mike and RTalsorian created, the Kerry they have full control and say over; the same young Kerry we see in Johnny's flashback

And then comes his 2077 self, which we see confirmed above as labeled as Homosexual (which again as been approved by Mike himself)

I personally think it's important to start with what his different creators have to say; Kerry is both Mike's and CDPR's character; Kerry is both labeled as being Bisexual and Homosexual

There is a lot of reasons why this change / evolution was made, even tho we all know the main reason; they needed a MLM romance in the game to complete the LI roster. But why take an already established character, a Bi character even, for the Gay romance?

I've seen a lot of people saying that CDPR erased his bisexuality, I understand why it might feel like this, but I don't think it's true or fair! Again, remember that Mike gave his OK for this; he could've at any moment said no, Kerry is HIS baby first and foremost

In game, we learn about Kerry's ex wife and kids; this is something CDPR could've not included at all (and THIS would've been erasing his bisexuality imo) it's not even something that is said out loud, but something to be found by dedicated fans; it's here on purpose, to give depth to the character and to his personal life!

We also see a couple of feminine clothes around his villa; let's not assume anything here, clothes have no genders especially in the 2077 setting, but it can also well point at one-night stand with women and/or multi-gender orgies for example

But, this won't be anything new or controversial, Kerry pushes femV advances in game- this is simply a fact! Like it or not, that's how CDPR's writers, RTAL and Mike decided to evolve Kerry's character for the game; everyone was ok with this

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Now comes the root of the debate; Is it homophobic to mod Kerry to be romanceable by a femV? and is it biphobic to not be comfortable with this?

No, and no - (don't leave just yet, please read a bit more)

Remember that I'm "just" a gay man, I've had discussion with friends of all gender and orientation about this topic and it's been enlightning to hear the different opinions on the matter!

As previously mentioned, it all boils down to Interpretation.

The discourse recently came back because someone shared their uncomfortableness regarding mods that change Kerry's preferences; in the post tags, OP made sure to say that everyone was free to do anything, to ship anything, and that this was just their opinion; but obviously the fandom didn't read that part and started to throw accusation around, and here we are (I shouldn't have to remind people that we all are free to share whatever on our respective blogs, if it hurts you just block the person, don't jump them)

OP is a Bisexual Man; a lot of other Bisexual Men related to this post and rebloged it, sharing their thoughts in the tags (I also rebloged it, I know it caused a few people to back off and block me as a result, which I respect totally)

Going to pick up my questions back up to hopefully state my opinions and "analyses" of the situation as clear as possible

Is it homophobic to mod Kerry to be romanceable by a femV?

No, it's not

Kerry is bisexual, he was married to a women, and potentially still have sex with women and fem individuals, these infos are all canon in game.

Kerry pushes femV flirts away; but since he experience attraction to women, who is to say that in someone's own canon, their fem OC isn't a V, and doesn't have Johnny involved, changing how Kerry and their OC meet drastically; Kerry could fall in love with her! He could; he's bisexual after all.

Is it biphobic to not be comfortable with this?

No, it's not

Kerry has a clear preference for men; CDPR choose to show this multiple time in the game, during Johnny's flashback we can see him make out with a masc fan, we can see him being vulnerable with Johnny (imo, his lil crush is showing hard)

I personally haven't seen it/heard it in game, but I've been told that after learning about Kerry's ex-wife, Johnny has a vocal, surprised reaction, has if imagining Kerry with a woman is strange to him

However, there is a lot of biphobic things being said in the discourse, and not in the way you might think of

I thankfully never see the full extent of it; I don't see the obviously biphobic takes, stating that Kerry SHOULD NEVER be with a femV, people being nasty and ATTACKING femV/Kerry shippers; this is never ok, these have been blocked for a long time now

But I sadly see the other takes, which always icked me a bit; the takes that say, "you bisexuality isn't worth of respect if it isn't a 50/50 attraction at all time", takes that are sadly biphobic in nature (making it clear that I'm not pointing finger at anyone, nor am I accusing anyone of being biphobic)

This is what it boils down to, I think, this is the root of the problem

As mentioned before, a lot of Bisexual Men expressed their uncomfort when it comes to femV/Kerry mods; it invalidated Kerry's preference. But this isn't about Kerry, he's fictional, he CANT be hurt by anything, by mods or art or whatever; It invalidate Bisexual Men that share the same preference in Men, Bisexual men that related to Kerry for X or Y.

Bisexuality is a spectrum, queer people has been fighting against Bi erasure for years, but also against Bi stereotypes; and I think this is one of them? (Please correct me if I'm wrong)

Bisexuality isn't a strict 50/50 split preference- it can be! But 60/40, 20/80 and even 99/1 attractions are still Bisexual attractions. I've met a lot of queer people who, despite being bisexual by definition, choose not to label as such (prefering to label as straight or gay depending on their preferences) just because of this "bisexual police" imposing a strict 50/50; "How can you be bisexual, you've only dated men/women" etc

This is what is being imposed in the fandom, this is how it might looks like to people; when you attack a Bisexual Man sharing his uncomfort in seeing people not respecting a Bisexual character's preference, you're telling them "Hey, your bisexuality isn't valid if you have a preference". You're telling them "Your bisexuality isn't correct". You're showing them that you "fixed" a "flawed" bisexual character "that got erased as gay for having a preference" by "modding his bisexuality back"

Kerry being written as MLM exclusive in Cyberpunk 2077 isn't bi erasure; he's still Bisexual, he simply has a strong preference for Men. A preference that he always had, but that can also be amplified after his divorce with his ex wife, for multiple reasons; I also don't have to point out how many queer people in real life explored their homosexuality after being in a hetero-marriage for most of their lives! And that's ok, queer love is an ever evolving spectrum, and I think it's awesome we get more fleshed out characters that explore this in depth

I've seen people compare Kerry to Johnny, and I don't think it's fair; for the simple reason that Kerry is a romance option and Johnny is not.

Johnny express a clear preference for women; however he replies to V (and flirt, in some case) the same way regardless of gender! Kerry on the other end, as previously said, pushed femV's advanced away. Something Johnny can't do since he's not a romance option; tho if he was, and if he was pushing mascV advances away, it would be the exact same situation and same problematic!

Another character that is canonly bisexual is Goro; he replies to V's flirt through text messages the exact same way, he doesn't seem to express any preferences (and no, his "obligation in japan" isn't necessarily a wife, this is heteronormative and another problem all together, not the subject here)

People can express being uncomfortable seeing Johnny with a given gender, or Goro with a given gender; but there isn't any """reason""" to it outside of personal preferences

Kerry situation is problematic because it lies in his clearly, canonly stated preference, how people decide to interpret it, and how it can come off to other queer people who might share sexuality and/or preference with the character

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Everyone is free to ship whoever however they want

But please; remember that everyone is different. People being uncomfortable with a character bisexuality preference being ""fixed"" shouldn't be too surprising; and if it is, please re-read my post/ You have to be ok with this fact, it's OK to make content that might be uncomfortable for others; this is fiction!

There isn't any Right or Wrong way to be bisexual, to be queer Kerry's bisexuality is perfectly fine; unmodded or modded Everyone is Different; Every Queer experiences is different People relate to characters in different way

Nobody is being misoginist; there isn't any double standard at play

Bisexual people sharing their opinions on their own blogs on how a fandom handle a character's bisexuality isn't biphobic, or an attack to anyone who interpret the character differently!

I promise you nobody is attacking anyone, and a lot of things being said accidently comes off as biphobic on both sides of this eternal "debate"

It all comes down to respecting others interpretations, and agreeing to disagree! Tumblr's filtering system work great, you can easily filter and block tags, or even people if needed

I might've said things awkwardly, and for this I apologise; but don't put words I didn't say into my mouth! If you don't agree, that's fine, and you're more than welcome to filter/block me if needed; but please do not paint me as biphobic or misoginist, same goes to everyone who shared their thoughts on the matter, these are serious accusation and can wrongfully hurt a lot of people

Ship and let Ship, take care of yourselves and remember to curate your space 🙏

#Cyberpunk 2077 #Kerry Eurodyne #fandom discourse #Long post #like-LOOOOONG LONG LONG post ghfhgfh #feeling like sharing my opinions on things a lot latetely don't mind me much #but I think it's important to have an open mind and think for ourselves - to not follow mob mentality #and to understand where everyone is coming from - to try and see opinions from every sides #fandom wank

[efangamez]

Holy fuck I remember when I got a DMCA takedown from CD Projekt Red on my redbubble for including #cyberpunk2077 in the tags, made a stink about it on twitter, and got a statement from them directly.

Holy shit that was the worst week of my life. It made worldwide gaming news for a day. It's unbelievable that happened tbh.

Still, lost a ton of respect for CDPR that day. Issuing takedowns of items using bots on creators simply trying to use alogorithms to boost their work.

Just kinda nutty lmao. As always, fuck corporations, and fuck them trying to ban and regulate the citizenry because their poor name was mentioned in tags on a product unrelated to their own.

(RTalsorian Games are rad though. Truly amazing peeps. Go but Cyberpunk RED instead of CP2077 for me pls)

#ttrpg #indie ttrpg #queer #trans #indie #gamedev #game dev #cyberpunk #scifi #cyberpunk 2077 #hahahahaahahaha

[abysswatchers420]

rtalsorian gives us SOOOOO much fucking.......lore about shit i dont really care about, corpo wars. when what i REALLY want to know is what is curable in 2077, did they solve the prion disease problem???????????????? mike pondsmith i demand answers

[cdprpodcast-blog]

205 Days until @cyberpunkgame releases on April 16, 2020! As always wishing the whole team at @cdpred the very best with development 🎛📟📼🖲🎚🔌🏢💾🏙🌃 #Cyberpunk #Cyberpunk2020 #Cyberpunk2020 #RTalsorian #Talsorian #MikePondsmith #KeanuReeves #Keanu #JohnnySilverhand #CDPR #CDProjekt #CDProjektRed #CyberFuture #Tech #Technology #VideoGame #Gaming #Gamer #NightCity #Netscape #Internet #BodyMod #Cool #Gang #Prosthetic #BladeRunner #Cyborg #Art https://www.instagram.com/p/B2yqA6uii8I/?igshid=1pij6n0rrzhld

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[gmortschaotica]

A link to the session write-ups of our Cyberpunk Red RPG campaign...

https://gmortschaotica.blogspot.com/p/cyberpunk-red-outfit-gigs-compilation.html

#rpg #cyberpunk red #cyberpunk red rpg #cyberpunk #cyberpunk 2077 #cyberpunk 2020 #actual play #r talsorian #rtalsorian games

[parviocula]

Dude, I love Hyena so much. What was it that first drew you/Hyena to Smasher? I love them so much 💞

ASHGASH I'm glad you love her! She's a cool chick.

I gotta say I've always lowky been into the world n Smasher was always my favorite! So when the game came out I originally wasn't gonna put her with anyone! But I changed my mind pretty quick and really wanted to do some cool shit between her n Smasher! Now they're my babies & I do my best to stay IN CANON and justify rtalsorians work with them!!

Fun Fact:

Her original name was "Eevee" but got shortened to "Eve" when I noticed the whole Adam & Eve trope. Now they have a pretty dope background!

#Ship: Adam & Eve #txt #anon #ask #Cyberpunk 2077 #Adam Smasher #C: Hyena

[akilah12902]

There's a reason I headcanon that Witchers all get rid of their gag reflexes.

(From the Witcher TTRPG by RTalsorian Games)

#Witcher #The Witcher #The Witcher TTRPG

[hammeh]

What is a Netrunner? Something a little different today, as we explore the Cyberpunk lore and world of Cyberpunk 2077 and RTalsorian Games's iconic netheads!  Do let me know what you think!

#cyberpunk #cyberpunk 2077 #cyberpunk world #cyberpunk lore #cyberpunk 2077 lore #cyberpunk story #cyberpunk 2020 #netrunner #netrunners #netrunning #this world looks so awesome

[highshelfcollective]

🚨 ONE HOUR till we join our party once again in #Ascension - Part 2! 

"Friend" of the group, Baxter, has passed and our edge runners are dealing with this aftermath. The funeral has ended - tears have been shed, deals have been struck, and mysteries have started to reveal themselves - now what? Find out tonight, 8:30PM EST, on #Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/highshelfcollective

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[xenthemad]

So check it. This may have already posted, but I can't tell, because my phone is crazy. Anyway, writing a cyberpunk campaign using RTalsorian's Cyberpunk2020 system. It's coming along nicely. This is just a version of the player side of things. It's pretty rough, incomplete, and certainly needs work. Anyone can comment, and anyone can make suggestions (always helpful. Please only constructive feedback). So take a look, if ye' dare. Any maybe I'll see you on the other side, Choomba. I have plans to implement parts of Mekton Zeta+ in the future.

#rtalsorian #cyberpunk2020 #cyberpunk #rpg #campaign #plauers #tabletop gaming #ttg #nerds #mekton #R.Talsorian #talsorian

[highshelfcollective]

🌴We know what you need, and that's a vacation in Paradise! 

The 3rd series of our Ascension anthology story is right around the corner! #AscensionInParadise will be coming to the High Shelf Collective #Twitch channel this April and buckle up, cause this #CyberpunkRED adventure is nothing like you've ever seen before!

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[highshelfcollective]

🔴 LIVE || The next episode of #Ascension - Part 2 starts NOW! The plot thickens as our crew gets closer to their answers. 

Are they ready to learn all they can about their dear "friend" Baxter? And just how connected are things in the Ascension building?

Watch on #Twitch to find out: https://www.twitch.tv/highshelfcollective

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[highshelfcollective]

🔴 ASCENSION - PART II IS LIVE NOW ON TWITCH! 🔴

New faces, new story, same ol’ mega building! Don’t miss out on Night 1 of the 10 week series!

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[highshelfcollective]

🚨 ATTENTION 🚨

You can now marathon ALL 3 BOOKS of our CyberpunkRED anthology series, Ascension, on our High Shelf Adventures YouTube! Join us back in Night City & start learning all of this mega-building's LOREEE!

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