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chocolate-cringymuffin · 4 months

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every even number in the love your fandom game!

Oh bro here we go...

1- 3 things you like about your fandom:

1.1- It has a lot of content!

1.2- You can experiment and play with many characters and concepts, there are no limits!

1.3- it has a lot of nice and talented people!

2- A headcanon you where not sure about first but fandom made you change your mind:

Mmmmm... not sure about this one. I think I used to Headcanon Amon as Asexual but thanks to some nice mutuals now I can see him bisexual.

3- A character that fandom made you appreciate:

Asami and Katara. Before I get in here I was neutral about all the characters (of course my three main blorbos are the exceptions), but with the right fics and art I could connect with them a little bit better.

4- Say something nice about a ship you don't ship;

Not into Korrasami really, but if there's one thing I can't deny is that the ship has good artists, (haven't read fics but I guess there are good writers too).

5- A thing you see often in fics:

We collectively refuse to accept when a character we love is dead in canon. (canon is clay and we can shape it into whatever we want).

6- A thing you see often in fan arts:

When we make Korra strong and pretty. Also Yue art, she is so pretty and I heard that if you are a cool artist you have drawn her at least once! (Please don't mind if you haven't drawn her, I am sure your art is great).

7- Tropes you enjoy to read/write/draw:

To draw- arranged marriage, basically any amorralok au where Tarrlok and Amon live, for Azulaang any modern, cute or funny comfort au, (tea or coffee shop, school au, flowershop), and love drawing dirty mechanic/prince Irosami.

I guess any cute, comfort au actually.

To read- Arranged marriage, castaway Amon, equalists plot continuation, GIMEEE.

Also love coffee shop aus and spirit traveling au's for Azulaang.

Irosami is interesting with equalist or spy Asami au's but love some good cute domestic aus.

Basically anything related with spirit travels, equalists continuation, action and fluff included.

8- Something you would like the fandom to love aittle bit more:

Any ship and character that doesn't get as much appreciation as it deserves around the fandom.

9- A ship that it's not your Otp but you ship:

Yuetara, have neglected it WAY too long but whenever I see it I appreciate it.

10- A blog or mutual that has made your experience in fandom better:

Can't name all the people that have made my experience better, fortunately, there have been too many nice mutuals. Some are no longer active but to name a few I would dare to say @flameo-trashman @crookedmouth-mountainbones @lotus-ashi @orangepanic @moreamorra @amorra-tlok @writebecauseyoucannotbreathe and @mokonahapuuuuuu

Thank you all for your kindness and your presence in this chaotic site!

11- An artwork/fic you are proud about:

12- Say something nice to a mutual!

Orange, Lotus, Crooked, Neffy, Write, Mokonahapuuuu and Moreamorra: Never stop being awesome and having cool art and fics.

And for everyone else reading this: you are great too and your presence enriches this fandom.

13- Favorite fandom event?

Ship week! (loved the avatarsunkenshipweek by the way).

14- A ship that makes you smile:

Mostly Amorra but Korrlok, Irohsami and Azulaang hold an apecial place in my heart. 💜💙🤎❤🧡💛❤️‍🔥

15- A character that makes you smile:

Baby Korra, she is too precious. Baby Noatak and Tarrlok too, must protect.

16- A thing in canon you would like to get noticed by the fandom?

THE PARALELISMS BETWEEN AMON AND KORRA, THEY ARE INSANE.

17- A thing in canon everyone likes, including you:

Seeing Iroh and Aang back in tlok and Jinora getting her tattoos.

18- A tag you follow?

Just Tlok

19- Current fandoms:

Again just Tlok haha.

20- Your first fandom:

Can't recall the first one I got interested in.

21- A fandom you miss:

Undertale.

22- Mutual you have known the longest?

Mokonahapuu, it's been a lot since we knew through this lil place.

23- A fandom you are curious about thabks to a mutual:

The dragon Prince.

24- How has fandom positively impacted in you?

Mutuals helped me to work in my art and storytelling skills. 💛

25- Advice to take care of you in fandom spaces:

Do not get too invested in any fandom, it can be overwhelming to deal with too many opinions so it's better to try to be nice and not worry about what the rest could say.

Get 2-5 psychos, (affectionate), and stick together, it will probably help you a lot.

Also, you don't have to like what everyone else does or agree to everything, not everything is made for you or a single person. Keep in mind you will have to learn to cope with the things you dislike.

Finally, look for other activities to entertain yourself, focusing too much in fandom can be bad in the long term.

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army-of-mai-lovers · 3 years

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in which I get progressively angrier at the various tropes of atla fandom misogyny

tbh I think it would serve all of us to have a larger conversation about the specific ways misogyny manifests in this fandom, because I’ve seen a lot of people who characterize themselves as feminists, many of whom are women themselves, discuss the female characters of atla/lok in misogynistic ways, and people don’t talk about it enough.

disclaimer before I start: I’m not a woman, I’m an afab nonbinary person who is semi-closeted and thus often read as a woman. I’m speaking to things that I’ve seen that have made me uncomfy, but if any women (esp women existing along other axes of oppression, e.g. trans women, women of color, disabled women, etc) want to add onto this post, please do!

“This female character is a total badass but I’m not even a little bit interested in exploring her as a human being.”

I’ve seen a lot of people say of various female characters in atla/lok, “I love her! She’s such a badass!” now, this statement on its own isn’t misogynistic, but it represents a pretty pervasive form of misogyny that I’ve seen leveled in large part toward the canon female love interests of one or both of the members of a popular gay ship (*cough* zukka *cough*) I’m going to use Suki as an example of this because I see it with her most often, but it can honestly be applied to nearly every female character in atla/lok. Basically, people will say that they stan Suki, but when it comes time to engage with her as an actual character, they refuse to do it. I’ve seen meta after meta about Zuko’s redemption arc, but I so rarely see people engage with Suki on any level beyond “look at this cool fight scene!” and yeah, I love a cool Suki fight scene as much as anybody else, but I’m also interested in meta and headcanons and fics about who she is as a person, when she isn’t an accessory to Sokka’s development or doing something cool. of course, the material for this kind of engagement with Suki is scant considering she doesn’t have a canon backstory (yet) (don’t let me down Faith Erin Hicks counting on you girl) but with the way I’ve seen people in this fandom expand upon canon to flesh out male characters, I know y’all have it in you to do more with Suki, and with all the female characters, than you currently do. frankly, the most engagement I’ve seen with Suki in mainstream fandom is justifying either zukki (which again, is characterizing her in relation to male characters, one of whom she barely interacts with in canon) or one of the Suki wlw pairings. which brings me to--

“I conveniently ship this female character whose canon love interest is one of the members of my favorite non-canon ship with another female character! gay rights!”

now, I will admit, two of my favorite atla ships are yueki and mailee, and so I totally understand being interested in these characters’ dynamics, even if, as is the case with yueki, they’ve never interacted canonically. however, it becomes a problem for me when these ships are always in the background of a zukka fic. at some point, it becomes obvious that you like this ship because it gets either Zuko or Sokka’s female love interests out of the way, not because you actually think the characters would mesh well together. It’s bad form to dislike a female character because she gets in the way of your gay ship, so instead, you find another girl to pair her off with and call it a day. to be clear, I’m not saying that everybody who ships either mailee or yueki (or tysuki or maisuki or yumai or whatever other wlw rarepair involving Zuko or Sokka’s canon love interests) is nefariously trying to sideline a female character while acting publicly as if she’s is one of their faves--far from it--but it is noteworthy to me how difficult it is to find content that centers wlw ships, while it’s incredibly easy to find content that centers zukka in which mailee and/or yueki plays a background role.

also, notice how little traction wlw Katara ships gain in this fandom. when’s the last time you saw yuetara on your dash? there’s no reason for wlw Katara ships to gain traction in a fandom that is so focused on Zuko and Sokka getting together, bc she doesn’t present an immediate obstacle to that goal (at least, not an obstacle that can be overcome by pairing her up with a woman). if you are primarily interested in Zuko and Sokka’s relationship, and your queer readings of other female characters are motivated by a desire to get them out of the way for zukka, then Katara’s canon m/f relationship isn’t a threat to you, and thus, there’s no reason to read her as potentially queer. Or even, really, to think about her at all.

“Katara’s here but she’s not actually going to do anything, because deep down, I’m not interested in her as a person.”

the show has an enormous amount of textual evidence to support the claim that Sokka and Katara are integral parts of each other’s lives. so, she typically makes some kind of appearance in zukka content. sometimes, her presence in the story is as an actual character with layers and nuance, someone whom Sokka cares about and who cares about Sokka in return, but also has her own life and goals outside of her brother (or other male characters, for that matter.) sometimes, however, she’s just there because halfway through writing the author remembered that Sokka actually has a sister who’s a huge part of the show they’re writing fanfiction for, and then they proceed to show her having a meetcute with Aang or helping Sokka through an emotional problem, without expressing wants or desires outside of those characters. I’m honestly really surprised that I haven’t seen more people calling out the fact that so much of Katara’s personality in fanon revolves around her connections to men? she’s Aang’s girlfriend, she’s Sokka’s sister, she’s Zuko’s bestie. never mind that in canon she spends an enormous amount of time fighting against (anachronistic, Westernized) sexism to establish herself as a person in her own right, outside of these connections. and that in canon she has such interesting complex relationships with other female characters (e.g. Toph, Kanna, Hama, Korra if you want to write lok content) or that there are a plethora of characters with whom she could have interesting relationships with in fanon (Mai, Suki, Ty Lee, Yue, Smellerbee, and if you want to write lok content, Kya II, Lin, Asami, Senna, etc). to me, the lack of fandom material exploring Katara’s relationships with other women or with herself speak to a profound indifference to Katara as a character. I’m not saying you have to like Katara or include her in everything you write, but I am asking you to consider why you don’t find her interesting outside of her relationships with men.

“I hate Katara because she talks about her mother dying too often.”

this is something I’ve seen addressed by people far more qualified than I to address it, but I want to mention it here in part because when I asked people which fandom tropes they wanted me to talk about, this came up often, but also because I find it really disgusting that this is a thing that needs to be addressed at all. Y’all see a little girl who watched her mother be killed by the forces of an imperialist nation and say that she talks about it too much??? That is a formational, foundational event in a child’s life. Of course she’s going to talk about it. I’ve seen people say that she doesn’t talk about it that often, or that she only talks about it to connect with other victims of fn imperialism e.g. Jet and Haru, but frankly, she could speak about it every episode for no plot-significant reason whatsoever and I would still be angry to see people say she talks about it too much. And before you even bring up the Sokka comparison, people deal with grief in different ways. Sokka repressed a lot of his grief/channeled it into being the “man” of his village because he knew that they would come for Katara next if he gave them the opportunity. he probably would talk about his mother more if a) he didn’t feel massive guilt at not being able to remember what she looked like, and b) he was allowed to be a child processing the loss of his mother instead of having to become a tiny adult when Hakoda had to leave to help fight the fn. And this gets into an intersection with fandom racism, in that white fans (esp white American fans) are incapable of relating to the structural trauma that both Sokka and Katara experience and thus can’t see the ways in which structural trauma colors every single aspect of both of their characters, leading them to flatten nuance and to have some really bad takes. And you know what, speaking of bad fandom takes--

“Shitting on Mai because she gets in the way of my favorite Zuko ship is actually totally okay because she’s ~abusive~”

y’all WHAT.

ok listen, I get not liking maiko. I didn’t like it when I first got into fandom, and later I realized that while bryke cannot write romance to save their lives, fans who like maiko sure can, so I changed my tune. but if you still don’t like it, that’s fine. no skin off my back.

what IS skin off my back is taking instances in which Mai had justified anger toward Zuko, and turning it into “Mai abused Zuko.” do you not realize how ridiculous you sound? this is another thing where I get so angry about it that I don’t know how useful my analysis is actually going to be, but I’ll do my best. numerous people have noted how analysis of Mai and Zuko’s breakup in “The Beach” or Mai being justifiably angry with him at Boiling Rock or her asking for FUCKING FRUIT in “Nightmares and Daydreams” that says that all of these events were her trying to gain control over him is....ahhh...lacking in reading comprehension, but I’d like to go a step further and talk about why y’all are so intent on taking down a girl who doesn’t show emotion in normative ways. obviously, there’s a “Zuko can do no wrong” aspect to Mai criticism (which is super weird considering how his whole arc is about how he can do lots of wrong and he has to atone for the wrong that he’s done--but that’s a separate post.) But I also see slandering Mai for not expressing her emotions normatively and not putting up with Zuko’s shit and slandering Katara for “talking about her mother too often” as two sides of the same coin. In both cases, a female character expresses emotions that make you, the viewer, uncomfortable, and so instead of attempting to understand where those emotions may have come from and why they might be manifesting the way they are, y’all just throw the whole character away. this is another instance of people in the fandom being fundamentally disinterested in engaging with the female characters of atla in a real way, except instead of shallowly “stanning” Mai, y’all hate her. so we get to this point where female characters are flattened into one of two things: perfect queens who can do no wrong, or bitches. and that’s not who they are. that’s not who anyone is. but while we as a fandom are pretty good at understanding b1 Zuko’s actions as layered and multifaceted even though he’s essentially an asshole then, few are willing to lend the same grace to any female character, least of all Mai.

and what’s funny is sometimes this trope will intersect with “I conveniently ship this female character whose canon love interest is one of the members of my favorite non-canon ship with another female character! gay rights!”, so you’ll have someone actively calling Mai toxic/problematic/abusive, and at the same time ship her with Ty Lee? make it make sense! but then again, maybe that’s happening because y’all are fundamentally disinterested in Ty Lee as a character too.

“I love Ty Lee so much that I’m going to treat her like an infantilized hypersexual airhead!”

there are so many things happening in y’alls characterization of Ty Lee that I struggled to synthesize it into one quippy section header. on one hand, you have the hypersexualization, and on the other hand, you have the infantilization, which just makes the hypersexualization that much worse.

(of course, sexualizing or hypersexualizing ANY atla character is really not the move, considering that these are child characters in a children’s show, but then again, that’s a separate post.)

now, I understand how, from a very, very surface reading of the text, you could come to the conclusion that Ty Lee is an uncomplicated bimbo. if you grew up on Western media the way I did, you’ll know that Ty Lee has a lot of the character traits we associate with bimbos: the form-fitting pink crop top, the general conventional attractiveness, the ditzy dialogue. but if you think about it for more than three seconds, you’ll understand that Ty Lee has spent her whole life walking a tightrope, trying to please Azula and the rest of the royal family while also staying true to herself. Ty Lee and Azula’s relationship is a really complex and interesting topic that I don’t really have time to explore at the moment given how long this post is, but I’d argue that Ty Lee’s constant, vocal adulation is at least partially a product of learning to survive at court at an early age. Like Mai, she has been forced to regulate her emotions as a member of fn nobility, but unlike Mai, she also has six sisters who look exactly like her, so she has a motivation to be more peppy and more affectionate to stand out.

fandom does not do the work to understand Ty Lee. as is a theme with this post, fandom is actively disinterested in investigating female characters beyond a very surface level reading of them. Thus, fandom takes Ty Lee’s surface level qualities--her love of the color pink, her revealing standard outfit, and the fact that once she found a boy attractive and also once a lot of boys found her attractive--and they stretch this into “Ty Lee is basically Karen Smith from Mean Girls.” thus, Ty Lee is painted as a bimbo, or more specifically, as not smart, uncritically adoring of Azula (did y’all forget all the non-zukka bits of Boiling Rock?), and attractive to the point of hypersexualization. I saw somebody make a post that was like “I wish mailee was more popular but I’m also glad it isn’t because otherwise people would write it as Mai having to put up with her dumb gf” and honestly I have to agree!! this is one instance in which I’m glad that fandom doesn’t discuss one of my favorite characters that often because I hate the fanon interpretation of Ty Lee, I think it’s rooted in misogyny (particularly misogyny against East Asian women, which often takes the form of fetishizing them and viewing them only through a Western white male gaze)

(side note: here at army-of-mai-lovers, we stan bimbos. bimbos are fucking awesome. I personally don’t read Ty Lee as a bimbo, but if that’s you, that’s fucking awesome. keep doing what you’re doing, queen <3 or king or monarch, it’s 2021, anyone can be a bimbo, bitches <3)

“Toph can and will destroy everyone here with her bare hands because she’s a meathead who likes to murder people and that’s it!”

Toph is, and always has been, one of my favorite ATLA characters. My very first fic in fandom was about her, and she appears prominently in a lot of my other work as well. One thing that I am always struck by with Toph is how big a heart she has. She’s independent, yes, snarky, yes, but she cares about people--even the family that forced her to make herself smaller because they didn’t believe that their blind daughter could be powerful and strong. Her storyline is powerful and emotionally resonant, her bending is cool precisely because it’s based in a “wait and listen” approach instead of just smashing things indiscriminately, she’s great disabled rep, and overall one of the best characters in the show.

And in fandom, she gets flattened into “snarky murder child.”

So where does this come from? Well, as we all know, Toph was originally conceived of as a male character, and retained a lot of androgyny (or as the kids call it, Gender) when she was rewritten as a female character. There are a lot of cultural ideas about androgynous/butch women being violent, and people in fandom seem to connect that larger cultural narrative with some of Toph’s more violent moments in the show to create the meathead murder child trope, erasing her canon emotionality, softness, heart, and femininity in the process.

This is not to say that you shouldn’t write or characterize Toph as being violent or snarky at all ever, because yeah, Toph definitely did do Earth Rumbles a lot before joining the gaang, and yeah, Toph is definitely a sarcastic person who makes fun of her friends a lot. What I am saying is that people take these traits, sans the emotional logic, marry them to their conception of androgynous/butch women as violent/unemotional/uncaring, and thus create a caricature of Toph that is not at all up to snuff. When I see Toph as a side character in a fic (because yeah, Toph never gets to be a main character, because why would a fandom obsessed with one male character in particular ever make Toph a protagonist in her own right?) she’s making fun of people, killing people, pranking people, etc, etc. She’s never talking to people about her emotions, or palling around with her found family, or showing that she cares about her friends. Everything about her relationship with her parents, her disability, her relationship to Gender, and her love of her friends is shoved aside to focus on a version of Toph that is mean and uncaring because people have gotten it into their heads that androgynous/butch women are mean and uncaring.

again, we see a female character who does not emote normatively or in a way that makes you, the viewer, comfortable, and so you warp her character until she’s completely unrecognizable and flat. and for what?

Azula

no, I didn’t come up with a snappy name for this section, mainly because fanon interpretations of Azula and my own feelings toward the character are...complicated. I know there were some people who wanted me to write about Azula and the intersection of misogyny and ableism in fanon interpretations of her character, but I don’t think I can deliver on that because I personally am in a period of transition with how I see Azula. that is to say, while I still like her and believe that she can be redeemed, there is a lot of merit to disliking her. the whole point of this post is that the female characters of ATLA are complex people whom the fandom flattens into stereotypes that don’t hold up to scrutiny, or dislike for reasons that don’t make sense. Azula, however, is a different case. the rise of Azula defenders and Azula stans has led to this sentiment that Azula is a 14 y/o abuse victim who shouldn’t be held accountable for her actions. it seems to me that people are reacting to a long, horrible legacy of male ATLA fans armchair diagnosing Azula with various personality disorders (and suggesting that people with those personality disorders are inherently monstrous and unlovable which ahhhh....yikes) and then saying that those personality disorders make her unlovable, which is quite obviously bad. and hey, I get loving a character that everyone else hates and maybe getting so swept up in that love that you forget that your fave is complicated and has made some unsavory choices. it sucks that fanon takes these well-written, complex villains/antiheroes and turns them into monsters with no critical thought whatsoever. but the attitude among Azula stans that her redemption shouldn’t be hard, that her being a child excuses all of the bad things that she’s done, that she is owed redemption....all of that rubs me the wrong way. I might make another post about this in the future that discusses this in more depth, but as it stands now: while I understand that there is a legacy of misogynistic, ableist, unnuanced takes on Azula, the backlash to that does not take into account the people she hurt or the fact that in ATLA she does not make the choice to pursue redemption. and yes, Zuko had help in making that choice that Azula didn’t, and yes, Azula is a victim of abuse, but in a show about children who have gone through untold horrors and still work to better the lives of the people around them, that is not enough for me to uncritically stan her.

Conclusion

misogyny in this fandom runs rampant. while there are some tropes of fandom misogyny that are well-documented and have been debunked numerous times, there are other, subtler forms of misogyny that as far as I know have gone completely unchecked.

what I find so interesting about misogyny in atla fandom is that it’s clear that it’s perpetrated by people who are aware of fandom misogyny who are actively trying not to be misogynistic. when I first joined atla fandom last summer, memes about how zukka fandom was better than every other fandom because they didn’t hate the female characters who got in the way of their gay ship were extremely prevalent, and there was this sense that *this* fandom was going to model respectful, fun, feminist online fandom. not all of the topes I’ve outlined are exclusive to or even largely utilized in zukka fandom, but a lot of them are. I’ve been in and out of fandom since I was eleven years old, and most of the fandom spaces I’ve been in have been majority-female, and all of them have been incredibly misogynistic. and I always want to know why. why, in these communities created in large part by women, in large part for women, does misogyny run wild? what I realize now is that there’s never going to be a one-size fits all answer to that question. what’s true for 1D fandom on Wattpad in 2012 is absolutely not true for atla fandom on tumblr in 2021. the answers that I’ve cobbled together for previous fandoms don’t work here.

so, why is atla fandom like this? why did the dream of a feminist fandom almost entirely focused on the romantic relationship between two male characters fall apart? honestly, I think the notion that zukka fandom ever was this way was horrifically ignorant to begin with. from my very first moment in the fandom, I was seeing racism, widespread sexualization of minors, and yes, misogyny. these aspects of the fandom weren’t talked about as much as the crocverse or other, much more fun aspects. further, atla (specifically zukka) fandom misogyny often doesn’t look like the fandom misogyny we’ve become familiar with from like, Sherlock fandom or what have you. for the most part, people don’t actively hate Suki, they just “stan” without actually caring about her. they hate Mai because they believe in treating male victims of abuse equally. they’re not characterizing Toph poorly, they’re writing her as a “strong woman.” in short, people are misogynistic, and then invoke a shallow, incomplete interpretation of feminist theory to shield themselves from accusations of misogyny. it’s not unlike the way some people will invoke a shallow, incomplete interpretation of critical race theory to shield themselves from accusations of racism, or how they’ll talk about “freedom of speech” and “the suppression of women’s sexuality” to justify sexualizing minors. the performance of feminism and antiracism is what’s important, not the actual practice.

if you’ve made it this far, first off, hi, thanks so much for reading, I know this was a lot. second, I would seriously encourage you to be aware of these fandom tropes and to call them out when you see them. elevate the voices of fans who do the work of bringing the female characters of atla to life. invest in the wlw ships in this fandom. drop a kudos and a comment on a rangshi fic (please, drop a kudos and a comment on a rangshi fic). read some yuetara. let’s all be honest about where we are now, and try to do better in the future. I believe in us.

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frogboy0 · 3 years

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Sorry about the last question lol. Can you do both? I rlly like your opinions on things!

Yeah totally!!!

Here are some of my ships!!! This is in no way to disrespect people who ship the ships I dont like (besides ships like Sasha and Grime. Guys, she's a teeenager)

I dont really have a lot of ships I dont like, I think anything is a possibility in fanon!! But I do have a LOT of ships I like! That's why I have an honorable mentions column lmao

I have some ramblings under the cut

ATLA:

Obviously we have Katoph there, if you scroll even a little bit down my blog, you're sure to find something of these two. I just think they're AMAZING!!! With Toph's neutral jing and the mix of positive and negative for Katara, they are literally all or nothing and I'm- I liked how their relationship started out rocky in the beginning but had the chance to grow into a mutual respect and kinship with each other

With the amount of Katoph stuff I do, I bet you're surprised that I LOVE Tophzula. I think their dynamic could be SOOOO interesting. Toph being with the only person in the WORLD who could lie to her and Azula being with one of the few people who could match her in abilities and strength?? Talk about a fucking POWER COUPLE!!!

And Zukkaang, listen LISTEN, this ship is GOOD. I LOVE THIS SHIP!!! I love the idea of Zuko and Sokka getting together first then, after a couple years Aang kinda realizes "oh shit I'm like, madly in love with these two amazing people" and straight up tells them. They'll obviously take some time to process but then they all get together AND GET MARRIED WITH 3 DIFFERENT CEREMONIES FOR EACH OF THEIR CULTURES AND HABE KIDS AND BE HAPPY-

I put Taang in my dislikes because I see Toph and Aang as siblings, like just,,, twins,, I think they have an adorable dynamic as these insanely string children who still like having fun and have a strong appreciation for freedom.

Tokka has similar reasons. I think Toph's crush on Sokka in the series was ADORABLE but I dont ever see it going anywhere. Honestly, I see her growing out of it quickly but Sokka reminding her of it everyday and SOKKA IT'S BEEN 10 YEARS SINCE THEN, PLEASE LET HER LIVE IT DOWN IT'S EMBARRASSING

Sokkla, I just see these two as frenemies who are CONSTANTLY trying to one up each other in ANYTHING, I imagine it's super funny to watch

And again, no shame or hate towards people who DO ship it!! People really make these ships work and stuff!!! It's cool!!!

Sokka and Suki are so cute as this sort of young love/clinging onto each other for any sort of steady ground because everything else is falling apart sort of way. And honestly?? HHHHH CUTE!!

Yuetara is of course here because OH MY GOD COME ON, THE OCEAN AND THE MOON??? THESE BITCHES ARE GAY!!! THEY ARE BALANCE!!! THEY ARE IN LOVE!!!!

Jet/Teo/Haru (anyone have their ship name??) Is just cute okay??? I liked Teo and Haru but I also liked Harua and Jet so I decided TO JUST SHIP THEM ALL BECAUSE YOU CAN JUST, DO THAT!! IT'S CUTE GUYS

Amphibia:

Sashannarcy,,, do I need to say more?

Grime/Hop Pop/Sylvia (ship name anyone?) Is SO CUTE!! I don't see Grime and Sylvia together though, they both just shake hands on loving Hopadiah Planter

I also don't know the ship name for Sprig/Ivy/Maddie but I think is adorable!!! I think that Sprig and Maddie don't like each other like that but both DO like Ivy!! I only have like,,, one ship in this fandom that isn't polyamorous,,,

Sprig and Anne, I don't like because I see them as siblings. Anne is such an older sister to Sprig in good and bad ways. Like, she'd help him no matter what (and literally went super sayian and beat the shit out of a king for him) but also shows him memes and is an overall TERRIBLE INFLUENCE on him and I mean that in the nicest possible way

Also, Felicia/Wally, I saw a post that headcanonned that they used to be lovers but couldn't be together because Wally's family disapproved and he was also Ivy's dad and HHHHHH I LOVE THAT!!! I love the idea of them not being together but still pinning for the other secretly, always looking at each other a little too long in passing and stuff like that,,,

But yeah!!! My ships!!! Thank you for the ask and I'm honored you wanted to know what I ship and dont ship!!

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Yuetara, zukka, and maiko

yuetara

ship

1) its not one of my main ships. i dont rlly read fanfic for them but if i see a cute fanart of them ill enjoy it and i think i first started shipping it because of good fanarts for them.

2) i like yuetara because of how similar they are. theyre both women from the water tribe. they both understand the misogyny that they have faced. and they both said f sexism im gonna be a strong woman. i also love the tui and la parallel. moon spirit and ocean spirit parallel COME ON. YUE IS THE MOON. KATARA IS THE MOST POWERFUL WATERBENDER. THEY ARE THE OCEAN AND THE MOON. the push and pull they could give eachother. that dynamic ftw.

3) i guess if i didnt like something about this ship would be the fact that if i read a fic or see a fanart w yuetara then than means in that particular au i wont get any yuekka and yuekka is probably my second favorite ship. but then again if i get yuetara than i could get a plethora of other sokka ships to go with it so my sadness disappears in like two seconds. gosh shipping is hard sometimes until you remember ‘hey i have like fifty different universes in my head. all ur ships can coexist in ur brain olivia’ other than that i really see no downsides to this ship. maybe i wish it had more content. maybe if it had more content id ship it a lot more but its not one of the more popular ships so the content is kinda few n far between on my feed.

zukka:

SHIPPP

1) my boys. my babies. my loves. i watched this show for the first time when it came out on netflix and when it ended i really didnt ship anything other than kataang. i came onto tumblr to find fun atla content and one of the very first things i saw under the atla tag was zukka content. i was like oh? whats this? zukka? interesting... i was intrigued so i found a list of fic recs and i fell in love with the ship. the rest is history. its probably my number one ship because it was my very first ship here and im nostalgic

2) oh boy there is so much i like about this ship. i relate to a shit ton of characters in atla. but sokka and zuko may be the ones i relate to most. i relate to sokka because i tend to feel second best a lot to my friends. i try to stay positive but things rarely go the way i plan or hope for them too and while im happy for my friends and their achievements i oftentimes find myself thinking why cant that be me? and i see this a lot in sokka especially in sokkas master. i dont feel special a lot and idk seeing sokka feel the same way and then realizing he is special kinda helped me realize that im special too. on the flipside i relate to zuko because i have wild anger issues and difficulty dealing w my emotions a lot as well. i get broody and short tempered and insecure very often and i tend to push people away and i refuse to ask for help (the amount of teachers and adults and therapists who have told me its okay to ask for help ur not any weaker because of it is astounding. do i listen to them? .....im working on it.) and i saw a shit ton of this in zuko. book one and two zuko rarely asks for help as seen in the blue spirit and zuko alone and he pushes away uncle so many times and even when the gaang iffers to help him in i think its the chase he tells them to leave. when he finally has his redemption and joins the gaang and lets them kinda become a better person i was so happy. i want that for myself yk. seeing him finally win the agni kai and overcome his family that always told him he was nothing was such a win. my sister and i get along but when we were children we were very much like zuko and azula. it was extremely competitive all the time and there was so much toxicity and sibling drama to a concerning extent. we get along great now which im very happy about but yeah their sibling relationship hit a lil too on the nose for me. seeing as i relate to these character so much and want them ti be happy i want to live vicariously through them so seeing them together is amazing for me to project into them. i love projecting onto fictional characters and with them i can project onto BOTH so its a winwin. plus so many zukka fics are so well written and heartwarming and heartbreaking and emotional and fluffy anf UGH the talent here us astounding.

3) what do i not like about the ship? again the list is long. oops. mainly the toxic shippers. there are so many toxic zukka stans that sometimes make it hard for me to enjoy this ship but hey! thats what the block button is for:) i despise how often people infantilize zuko and completely ruin his character for the sake of making him a soft weak lil boy who needs protecting. thats just not zuko for me. and ive seen many many accounts even state that this kind of portrayal of zuko is rooted in racist stereotypes about asian men (now i am white so i personally have never experiences racism but i feel the need to bring that up because it is wrong and attention needs to be brought to it because a lot of poc fans have criticised this) and the same for sokka. some ppl rlly skew his character and make him a big strong brute and hypermasculine and once again poc fans have said that this take is rooted in racist stereotypes. again! these are just my opinions! this is my favorite ship! but i think its important to acknowledge some of the bad parts of our ships as well and be critical where criticism is needed :))

maiko

ship

1) I LOVE MAIKO. “i dont hate you” “i dont hate you too” BRUH. my little heart just burst into flames. im sorry guys but maiko is so cute. they hate everything except eachother. BRUH that is one of the cutest tropes. i shipped them the moment i saw them together onscreen and i was so happy when zukos face lit up in the finale when mai came back.

2) “i hate everything but i have a soft spot for you” TAKE MY MONEY I AM A SUCKER FOR THIS. they are so cute together. like zuko is rarely happy in a majority of atla but mai makes him happy and i- 🥺🥺 HE DESERVES IT. and mai is always so supportive of him. when hes stressing out about the war meeting she tries her best to comfort him. and zuko cares about her too. he may not be the best at showing it but oh my god hes TRYING HIS BEST. i think its a very accurate portrayal of teenage relationships because they arent perfect and they do fight but like,, every teenage relationship does that. and even after everything and how he left her in the fire nation she still had his back at boiling rock. she still risked her life against azula to save his butt.

3) the thing i hate about maiko isnt even about maiko. its about antis who think mai is toxic and that zuko deserves better. that has got to be the worst take ive ever heard. they had a fight in ember island. that is NORMAL. they are teenagers. they are not perfect. but underneath all the rough edges and things they need to work out they still care about eachother so freaking much. i genuinelt believe that neither of them would do anything to intentionally hurt the other and i think thats what matters the most. if anything mai is the best girlfriend in the entire world because zuko fucked up like,, quite a few times. he got rlly jealous and dumped her thru a letter and ppl always say that mai was toxic for being mad at him for those two things. umm she had every right to be mad at him for both of those. and while zuko is allowed to feel his emotions and be angry sometimes as well sometimes he needs to think things thru and realize that hey maybe some if this jealousy is unfounded. BUT EVEN THEN. HE RESPECTED HER FEELINGS AND DIDNT TOUCH HER WHEN SHE SAID DONT TOUCH ME. HE RESPECTED HER. so i hate toxic maiko takes because they are literally so wrong in my opinion.

again all of these are just my opinions!! feel free to agree or disagree but please be respectful!! i will respect whatever u think as well because this is all just for fun :)

#atla #avatar the last airbender #zukka #yuetara #maiko #ship game #ask game #long post #wow i wrote a lot #also if anyone wants to talk ships feel free to message me!

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that-was-anticlimactic · 2 years

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003 Yue?

yue

how i feel about this character:

i freaking LOVE yue so much holy TRASH. it’s kind of funny because i actually Didn’t like her at first solely because the people who introduced me to atla didn’t really like yue that much (i think they were upset that she was used more as a plot device than a character which is understandable). and then one day i just randomly thought: ace yue. and then i realized wait she’s fantastic??? why did i dislike her??? but i love her passion and her heart and the fact that she tries so hard to help everyone else that she neglects helping herself and convinces herself that she needs to suffer for everyone else to thrive and then finally tries to do something a little selfish for herself by meeting with sokka and just she 🥰

any/all the people i ship romantically with this character:

well, suki, naturally. i ADORE yueki very much so. their dynamic is just. okay so the dynamic that i would Imagine they would have. is just so fantastic and sweet and supportive and just. mmmm yeah! i can definitely see the appeal in yuetara and yuekka as well!!!

my favorite non-romantic relationship for this character:

omg uhhhhhhhhhh see, my go to sokka and katara, but jet also just came to my mind and i feel like they could be besties tbh. but no--i can’t choose between sokka and katara for this one. wAIT AND AANG !!!

my unpopular opinion about this character:

ummm well, i don’t think her being ace is unpopular anymore lol ummmmm oh! she has pots <3

one thing i wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon:

living. okay no but aside, you know, living, i wish we had gotten to see her more as a child before she had to sacrifice herself. i wish she had gotten to live a little more and do childish things on screen and drop the persona she built for herself over the years. i wonder what bryke would’ve done,,,

favorite friendship for this character:

AH UM FRICK THIS IS UNFAIR YOU WANT ME TO CHOOSE? uhhhhhh. please refer to three questions above iuyfxdfcgyu

my crossover ship:

uhhhh i don’t think i Have one??? i mean ig if they were around the same age, nya and yue would be kinda cute tbh???

#fabro tag #we can just ignore the fact that this is a month late lol #and definitely got distracted by Something and forgot to finish and post this oiuyfdxcfgui #i still have like one or two more i think OOPS #anyways hi hope you're doing well <3 #corey rambles:)

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madsmoonlight · 3 years

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Ghibli Movies x ATLA

Ghibli movies as atla ships (romantic or platonic)

Howl’s Moving Castle: I’ve always interpreted it as a maiko movie. Sophie’s conflict with herself and how reserved she is at the start feel very Mai to me and my whole family agrees that Zuko is a like. Flamboyant Howl. (that scene where Howl starts to ooze reminded me of when Zuko got sick from making a good decision)

Ponyo: Yuetara. Katara as Sosuke? She would take such good care of Yue/Ponyo I just KNOW it. Koichi as Hakoda...it just makes sense. Yue as Ponyo would be cool because her dad keeping her trapped kind of makes sense from what we know about Yue’s life. (I actually made some Yue as ponyo art but I will never post it)

My Neighbor Totoro: this one is 100% Sokka and Katara. Kya being sick, Hakodate taking them to visit? Appa as the cat bus and Aang as...idk? That doesn’t make as much sense but um. Anyways I just think this one is really sweet 🥺

Princess Mononoke: I’m not the first person to say this, but suki n sokka. Wolf lady Suki? Yes. And the whole ‘I’ll cut your throat! That’ll shut you up!’ Scene...I would pay to see them as San and Ashitaka. Katara as Ashitaka’s little sister would be so cute 😫

Spirited Away: This one was harder- i can see it as katoph, tyzula, or azutara, but I decided on Tyzula because I’ve used Katara so much already. Azula as Haku??? Ty Lee and no face (mai)? but anyways this au would be everything. Lin would definitely be suki, and the cleaning ladies would be like the kyoshi warriors.

When Marnie Was There: going to be honest I thought this movie was about lesbians til Marnie left the silo with the guy. when I learned they were related I immediately was horrified i thought it was sapphic 😫anyways, it would be cool to see this as Katara and Ikki, or Toph and Opal. I’d go with katara and Ikki though because Marnie is much softer than Toph. Ig the guy katara left the silo with would be Aang, or zuko, or whoever you ship her with. anyways I think that would be sweet :)

thanks for reading!!! I had a lot of fun with this :)

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bikamalas · 4 years

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skater! yue and surfer! katara yuetara au

Yue and Sokka still used to date in this cause. Idk it’s weird to imagine anything different

Yue moved away in like freshman year

But then she came back in junior year

She and Katara met but only spoke briefly cause Sokka and Yue were that part adorable part cringey couple in highschool that everyone thought were going to move into an apartment together the second they turned eighteen and never separated

So when Yue comes back Sokka (who is now happily dating Zuko and Suki thank you) introduces her to Katara properly and in rapid succession both girls’ brains go like ‘pretty girl make me go hnng’

Yue learned how to skate as a tiny act of rebellion and Sokka bravely risked his position as favourite future son in-law to buy her skates and rollerblades

Yue immediately joins the roller derby and Katara panics because pretty girl can SKATE

Aang and Katara are exes but still friends and Aang is the BIGGEST Yuetara shipper partly cause he wants Katara to be happy and partly because it’s fun to see Katara act as lovesick as him when he liked her

Katara has been surfing since she was a kid (so has Aang, that’s how they met) she wins a lot of local competitions and swims competitively for her school

Yue tells Sokka about her crush and at first he finds a little weird (of course he would that’s his SISTER and that’s his EX) but mostly just supportive

Suki and Zuko think it’s adorable

Toph (who is a skater that takes part in slightly illegal skating rings) just likes riling them both up

At some point everyone gets annoyed though and even Aang is like ‘Katara this is the most oblivious bullshit I have ever seen JUST SAY SOMETHING’

Once they start dating everybody’s relieved but then quickly disgusted again because now Yue and Katara are the apartment couple. Sokka calls them disgraceful and tries to kick him out of the house (he does this sitting in Zuko’s lap and staring at Suki’s muscles)

Yue tries to teach Katara to skate and she’s REALLY bad but hey at least she looks cute in a roller derby costume

Katara takes Yue surfing and eventually they get wiped out but it’s still REALLY fun and they have their first kiss on the shore as the sun sets

#yuetara #suzukka #yue #katara

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tragedykery · 3 years

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my fics masterlist

until that final sunrise

Ead cannot stop thinking about Sabran, and worries it will consume her.

ead x sabran, yearning, self-doubt, the gazing at the horizon yearning for your lover type of balcony scene

word count: 820

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apple tarts and strolls along the river

In Jannart’s opinion, Niclays needs to take a break.

niclays x jannart, fluff and angst

word count: 1140

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delirious

This was all madness, Reyna decided.

reynabeth, post-battle kissing, first kiss

word count: 940

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lie in my arms (for a little longer)

Piper is sick. Annabeth tries to care for her.

pipabeth, sickfic, domestic fluff

word count: 1890

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through the cold, i’ll find my way back to you

It’s the middle of the night, and when Sadie gets hurt, Jaz is the only person she can go to.

jadie, patching each other up, sharing a bed

word count: 3910

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darling when we fight (i swear i can feel the sparks)

“What about…a fight?”

“Why would I do that? I don’t have to prove myself to you.”

“Oh, you don’t have to if you’re scared.”

“Bring it on.”

gallory, sparring, first kiss

word count: 2530

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light blue nail polish (and blood-stained nails)

first: Charles and Silena have a picnic.

then: Silena after Charles’s death

charlena, regret, angst with a fluffy beginning

word count: 1210

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braids

It’s night, and Zuko wakes from the feeling of something tugging at his hair.

zukka, fluff, hair braiding, oblivious zuko

word count: 440

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love, when the sea rises to meet us

mermaid/pirate au inspired by this post.

It’s a relatively normal day for Piper—until she is captured by pirates. Their captain, a woman whose name is known by everyone above the surface or underneath it, has a strange desire to find a shipwreck that sank years ago. She asks Piper to become her (as she ever so nicely puts it) “tour guide.”

In which: Piper learns that there is more to the pirate Reyna Ramírez-Arellano than the fame and fear her name carries.

pipeyna, background ruegard, fluff and light angst but mostly actual plot

word count: 15K

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better left unsaid

femslash february prompt 1: “what are we?”

It’s night and they’re alone when Ty Lee asks the question. Mai doesn’t answer.

mailee, fluff and angst, secret relationship, aspec mai

word count: 790

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if i let go, would you hold on? (would we fly?)

femslash february prompt 3: fragments

Fragments of Katara and Yue’s time together.

yuetara, fluff and angst, canonical character death

word count: 3560

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find our somewhere

femslash february prompt 11: historians think we’re best friends

No one knew about the lingering touches and kisses stolen in dark corridors. But perhaps it was better this way.

gallory, royalty au, implied/referenced homophobia and child neglect

word count: 2320

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under the stars

femslash february prompt 15: late night

Ty Lee finds Mai sitting on the roof of the school in the middle of the night.

mailee, modern au, fluff and light angst with a happy ending

word count: 1110

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good morning

femslash february prompt 27: sleeping in

Reyna wakes up with her partners beside her, and decides to go back to sleep.

pipeynabeth, domestic fluff, sleepy cuddles

word count: 610

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in this moonlight

atla side character week day 7: pre-canon

Yue stands on her balcony, looking at the moon, lost in thought.

yue-centric, character study, canon-typical sexism, implied/referenced character death

word count: 1110

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looking back (i wonder)

mailee week day 1: boiling rock

Mai and Ty Lee + a look back on the Boiling Rock.

established relationship, post-canon

word count: 1710

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this moment (just for you and me)

mailee week day 2: flowers

Mai and Ty Lee sit in the shade of a tree in a flowery meadow.

fluff, flower crowns

word count: 320

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show me where my armour ends (show me where my skin begins)

mailee week day 3: hair

In the prison, Ty Lee asks Mai to do something they haven’t done in years.

hair-braiding, pining

word count: 1370

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with your arms around me (i feel safe)

mailee week day 5: cuddling

Ty Lee wakes up with Mai next to her.

little spoon ty lee/big spoon mai, fluff

word count: 520

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i think i’d better go (before i try something i might regret)

mailee week day 6: college au

They’re at a party, and Mai and Ty Lee almost kiss.

modern/college au, angst

word count: 1280

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my heart overflows (on paper)

mailee week day 7: free day

A letter Mai writes to Ty Lee, and one Ty Lee writes to Mai.

unsent (love) letters, fluff

word count: 740

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on this path in your absence

Sokka thinks about Yue as he keeps watch.

yuekka, angst, sokka-centric

word count: 460

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if i could choose (i would choose you)

zukka week day 5: soulmates

In a world where soulmates amplify each other’s traits, two people find love against all odds.

[Or: a Zukka soulmate AU with a twist.]

soulmate au, pining, getting together

word count: 11K

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wherever you go

riordanverse sapphic summer 2022 day one: future

Piper tells Reyna about her plans for the future as she braids her hair.

pipeyna, hair-braiding, hopeful ending

word count: 500

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scissors held by a trusted hand

One afternoon, Azula asks Jin to cut her hair.

jinzula, haircuts, pov jin

word count: 1240

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when it’s cold (i’ll wrap my scarf around you)

Back from the search for the Avatar, Kelsang finds Kyoshi in less than ideal health, and vows to never let that happen again.

kyoshi & kelsang, hurt/comfort, pre-canon

word count: 1300

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can i call it love? (in-between or something else entirely)

An exploration of aspec Katara + her relationship with Aang.

katara-centric, queerplatonic kataang, aspec katara

word count: 1290

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silent apologies

Piper and Drew talk the night before Piper leaves.

drew & piper, complicated sibling relationships

word count: 910

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happy moments

Sokka and Yue take Bumi, Kya and Tenzin to a fair.

yuekka, fluff, modern au

word count: 4230

#fics masterlist #masterlist #death mention tw #alcohol mention tw

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azure-firecracker · 3 years

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For your ship ask, you know I gotta ask about Azutara lol. But I'm also gonna include Yuetara and Suki x Azula (I haven't seen a great fic for this ship yet but I think it could have some potential) if that's ok. Thank You 🙂

I love Azutara! I didn’t used to like it as much as I do now (I’m a huge Tyzula shipper so any ship that broke them up was hard for me) but it’s also one of my friend @colorfulregret-21’s favorites so I always liked it and knew about it. Then I read some amazing fics that totally made me fall in love with the pairing! I love the enemies to lovers dynamic and their parallels and contrasts. It’s in my top 3 ATLA ships.

I also love Yuetara and am putting it in a couple of AUs that I’m conceptualizing. This ship was introduced to me by @flowers-inthepieshop and I fell in love with it instantly! The moon/ocean metaphor? The sapphic power? The fluff? Perfection! Another top 3 ship:)

And as for Azuki, it’s another one of @colorfulregret-21’s favorites and I like it, I think it’s cute and I can see why others ship it but I don’t consider myself a strong shipper.

Thanks for the ask!

#ask the theater nerd #ship opinions

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Okay so you know how Katara is like the mother of the gaang ? I have this head cannon that if Yue was alive she would be the second mom in the gaang but like the cool mom.

Oh yes deffenetly, definitely? Definitivli. No deffenetivle. Deff. Let's stay with deff please. I don't know what au to use now. The yuekitara, sukitara or sukka au. So i am going to use the yuekitara au cs noone can prove me wrong they are THE power couple *smug look* Or should I say tripple *wink* xD oof I should stop with the bad jokes. (suki isn't featured because they r not a mom. They are nonbinary. THEY ARE A GOD. EVEN WORSE! A PARENT. Although they give me big youngest/olderst sibling/child energy. Cs they r so caotic. I got it. Suki is the burnt out parent that makes dad jokes all the time and is hella chaotic at the same time) Anyway. Here Yue is alive. Wow. And she is. AMAZING. Awesome. She is a waterbender because La is amazing and gave her waterbending. But Yue is also learning to use a bow and arrow cs she is that bitch. So everyone sees katara and yue as the moms of the group and there is a never endles cycle of "ask yue" "ask katara" or should I say *smug look* "ask your mom" oh god I should stop. Anyway. Whenever someone needs something they go to katara. Whenever someone wants something. They go to Yue. Cs Yue is the cool one. Everyone sais that Zuko is the dad of the gaang but like... no. he was raised in royalty. he wants people to give him money. Yes he chainged but no. So instead of a mom and dad role thing we have two moms and a child/parent. Katara is the one that knows what they all need. She knows what they have to buy. Who is doing the dishes. Who needs to bathe Momo. And Yue is the one that just goes along with katara and simps™ for her. They have the good cop bad cop dynamic. Yue is the good cop. And she's always eather really chill, in fighting/learning mode or simping for her lovers. No inbetween. Because you cannot convince me otherwise. Yue is like the biggest lesbian here. What is gayer than the fucking moonspirit and fish??? Anyways. I got a little sidetracked there. Or should i say *smug look* trucked *wink* OH GOOD I NEED TO STOP. Sorry if it is weird to read. I did my nearly best. Barely best? The 75% best from 100% best. So my best basically. Aaah. Yes I included Suki. Cs I can't have a single conversation without mentioning Suki at least twice. No I am not sorry. And I have au's. Its normal. I think. I hope. I think it is normal. Or else y'all are weord for not having 7 different au's. Lol. I am sorry I made ir a yuekitara while you were clearing asking for yuetara. Keep in mind. I also ship sokkaang. And people still have the audacity to call me chaotic. Like how am I chaotic? I did nothing! Exept ship the two hottest boys in atla. This is not what you asked for. But anyway since I started let's continue with my conversation. I actually found you on tiktok and Instagram. Very funny cs I stuble across your comments and stuff. The algorithm... We were takijng about yuekitara. Yes. Yuekitara and sokkaang. AAAAH. The family dynamic. Here aang and toph and suki are all found siblings :D. And ow ma gawd. I hc Mai becoming an older sisters figure to suki. Because mai is so cool. And suki is like AAAAAAAH COOL BISEXUAL PLEASE BE MY FAMILY BECAUSE I DO NOT HAVE ONE. but in reality its more of a. Suki cut's their finger on accident and Mai is like. Blow on it. It makes the pain go away faster. And suki is like. What? No. I'm not blowing at my finger. And then Mai thinks that suki is so stupid sometimes she basically adopts them. It's not official. But it's awesome. I should stop now. For real. Yea... Thank you for the ask! :D I CAN'T BELIVE I SPENT 50 MINUTES ON THIS :D

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atomicpeache · 3 years

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19, 15 and 10 for the Zutara asks :)

10. Do you have any other A:TLA ships?

Sukka is a very close second to Zutara, i love them so much!

I also really like Mailee, I just feel like they would be so cute together, and more recently I've started shipping Taang. They just work so well together and balance each other out so well.

I also love Yuetara! Oh and Bakoda. Those dads have my whole entire heart.

15. What do you think would have happened if Katara and Zuko hadn’t been interrupted in the Catacombs?

Hmmm... this is tricky. I think if they'd been there together for a couple more hours, Katara would've ended up healing him eventually (or trying), but it would've taken some time to get to that point.

I think Zuko would initially have agreed to it, and then he would've hesitated and stopped her. He is still very conflicted about his scar and whether he deserved it or not, and, by extension, whether he still wants or deserves his father's love and approval. That is, after all, why he ends up betraying her in canon.

So he hesitates, as she's about to start the process, and turns away. She gently presses him and asks him what's wrong. And he sees the look of genuine concern and patience on her face, and he's shocked at the amount of support his enemy is showing him. So he talks. He tells her a little about how he got his scar, no details, but gives her the gist. He tells her about his banishment, and his quest to hunt the avatar, and the whole time he's thinking, "why the hell am i telling her all this? I don't even know her." And Katara listens and empathizes as she did with Jet, and Haru, and Aang, and all the others, and she is horrified on his behalf.

She tells him, "it's not your fault."

And he looks at her like she's lost it because "what do you mean it's not my fault, i did horrible things to you and your friends."

And so she clarifies, "it's not your fault for getting that scar. No 13 year old boy should have to go through that."

And they sit in silence for a long time. Zuko ponders what she has said, compares it with all of iroh's comforting and supportive words over the years, and then contrasting them with ozai's words, with azula's. Katara sits in her own thoughts, trying to reconcile the zuko sitting before her with the spoiled prince she's fought countless times, and she can hardly believe they're the same person.

Finally, zuko concedes. So katara takes the spirit water out of its vial and she tries to heal him.

Nothing happens. The special properties of the spirit water have been used up, but zuko's scar is still there. When he realizes this, he jerks away from her and sits down.

"I'm sorry, Zuko."

"It doesn't matter," he snaps back, a hint of his old self, but it's half-hearted. "It was a stupid idea anyway." He falls silent, glaring at the ground, cursing himself inwardly.

Katara understands that he doesn't want to talk anymore. She doesn't really know what she would say anyway. She sits down on the other side of the cave, and stares at the vial of spirit water, wondering if she's just made a huge mistake.

There's a long stretch of silence again.

And then, "Thank you, Katara."

Katara just smiles.

When Iroh and Aang find them later, they are still sitting on opposite sides of the cave, but they are facing each other.

And when Zuko comes to his crossroads of destiny, he can't bring himself to betray Katara, or his uncle, the way he does in canon. When Iroh talks to him after Katara leaves with Aang, and before Azula arrives, Zuko remembers what Katara said, about how it wasn't his fault. So even though he still doesn't quite believe it, when Azula shows up with her offer to bring him back to their father as a hero, he can't quite bring himself to believe that either. He cannot prove to himself, beyond a reasonable doubt, that his father will accept him, now that even his (former?)enemy has expressed concern for his situation.

So he chooses his uncle, and helps the Gaang.

I have way more thoughts on this but this is already way too long than it ever needed to be, so i apologize lol.

TL;DR Zuko would have agreed to being healed, it wouldn't have worked, but he still would have switched sides, to some extent.

19. What do you think would have happened if A:TLA got a Book 4?

Part of me thinks it would've just been the plot of the comics, like the Promise and the Search, but with the Ehaszs in the writer's room it probably would've looked a little different.

For example, the characters would've been... in character. We would've gotten to see Zuko struggle with becoming Fire Lord and stabilizing the country, and a lot of that would've involved him struggling with the baggage of his ancestors, and his own issues with not wanting to become like his father, but i think that, unlike in the comics, the Gaang would've helped support him. I'm not even going to get into what they did to Katara in the comics... i pretend i do not see.

I've heard rumours that, had a fourth season occurred, Aang would've found a community of descendents of Air Nomads in the Fire Nation. I have no idea how much truth there is to this notion, but I'm just gonna roll with it.

So because Aang and Zuko are deutarogonists of the story, I'm imagining that, along with their mutual efforts to balance the world as Fire Lord and Avatar, Zuko's search for his mother and Aang's search for the remnants of his people would be tied together as the main sort of overarching plot of the season.

There are so many interesting things to be done with this: Aang would have to properly face the trauma of the genocide of the Air Nomads, without the tight deadline of the Comet as a distraction; Zuko would be grappling with his fear of becoming like his father, while being piled on with the stress of being the leader of a divided and wartorn country, while also desperate to find out what happened to his mother; I feel like a lot of the "filler" episodes would be about Aang and the gaang dealing with on-the-ground type rebuilding and peacemaking.

As for the rest of the gaang (and this has been pulled straight out of my ass - it's just stuff I would want to happen tbh): Katara and Sokka would go back to the SWT and fight against the NWT's heavy influence on the rebuilding efforts; Toph would put off going back to her parents for as long as possible until she can't anymore; Suki would get a backstory!!!!!!!! And it would be kickass.

Finally, the canon ships would (hopefully) get more development. Katara would have agency in her own love story, and she and Aang would actually talk about their feelings and what a relationship really means! Mai and Zuko would probably still fight a lot tbh. They still don't really understand each other at the end of season 3, and they would have to grapple with that.

Suki and Sokka are just chilling though. They would probably continue being healthy and communicative. Yknow, like they are in canon. Although, i do think there is some potential for conflict left over from EIP, of Sokka still deeply wounded from Yue's sacrifice, and having to properly heal from that. Actually, while he's at it, there are a couple of other things he could do with properly processing...

Okayyy i'm gonna stop it there because I've rambled for far too long already. If anyone's read all the way to this point, thank you so much. I probably wouldn't have lmao

And thank you so much for the ask @phatprog !! I had wayy too much fun writing this in case you hadn't noticed 😭 i just needed an excuse to rant for a bit

#zutara #zutara asks #anti maiko #anti kataang #tagging those for safety #long post #not me tempted to write an entire 20 episode long season of a cartoon that ended 12 years ago #i don't have time for this

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zutaralesbian · 3 years

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rate these atla sapphic ships: tyzula, yuetara, mailee, ty luki, azuki, katoph, azutara, and sukiatara :)

1. Mailee: I just love these two a lot. Goth girlfriend/preppy girlfriend vibes are the best. And Ty lee faced off AZULA for Mai! Peak romance. I also just like the idea of grumpy Mai being with Ty lee and Ty lee being one of the few people to make Mai regularly laugh and smile :)

2. Azuki: These two are my latest atla ship obsession. They are kind of a crack ship since they have next to no interactions in canon other than Azula capturing the Kyoshi warriors. But I just think they have so much enemies to lovers potential and they would be a challenge for each other. I'm lowkey planning on including them in my post canon Zutara fic I wanna someday write that'll probably now end up being a Zutara/Azuki fic hybrid lol.

3. Yuetara: I just think they would have so much respect for each other. Katara seeing Yue as someone who would do anything for her people and Yue seeing how strong Katara is and how she wants to fight the patriarchy. Also the moon/ocean visuals of this ship are a+

4. Tyzula: My first f/f atla ship. I don't love them as much as I used to after Mailee took over in my heart but I still have a soft spot for them. Their scenes in The Beach are still among my favorite Azula scenes and I still 100% believe it was Ty lee that Azula was jealous about and not that random guy lol

5. Sukiatara: They should have interacted more in canon. Two badass feminists in love is a good concept.

6. Ty luki: The concept of them is cute! I could easily see myself enjoying a fic where they bond more and eventually fall for each other after Ty lee joins the Kyoshi warriors.

7. Azutara: I understand the appeal of this ship because the fact that they're narrative foils is a+. They sort of remind me of Glitra from SPOP but with less development. However I can't get too into this ship because I simply enjoy both Azula and Katara with others way more.

8. Katoph: Nothing wrong with this ship I just very much personally see them as sisters lol. Their platonic relationship is one of my favorite dynamics on the show though.

#atla #anonymous #answered

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meteor-sword · 3 years

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yue for the ask game 👀

Sexuality Headcanon: turns out i dont have any set headcanons. bi queen!

Gender Headcanon: i’m gonna have to be hardpressed to give a solid headcanon. it’s cis or transfem for me!!!

A ship I have with said character: i really love yukka, but yuetara 🥺

A BROTP I have with said character: i also love yue and katara and yue and sokka as brotps!!! would love to read a fic about yue realizing she’s lesbian and being great friends with sokka! (yue lives au obvs)

A NOTP I have with said character: any FN character. the undertones my guy...... no thanks esp since she died directly because of FN military maneuvers in the NWT

A random headcanon: i really strongly think she was Tonraq’s aunt/Korra’s great aunt. so sort of headcanon sort of wish they would’ve used that in LOK. tonraq introducing baby korra to her auntie? yue giving korra advice??? meeting her in the spirit world??????? whew :/

General Opinion over said character: another sweetie. she’s so cute and cool. period!!!

#yue #ask game #meteor answers #sukialone

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zuzuslastbraincell · 4 years

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Katara!

KATARA KATARA KATARA

why I like them

oh god where do i even start. katara just contains so many multitudes - she's sweet and feminine and caring and attentive but she's never reduced to just that, she's never just 'the girl', she's also allowed to get mad, to be petty, to laugh at her brother, to be headstrong and stubborn, to express vulnerability, to cry and to laugh, to make ridiculous facial expressions and *be* very expressive. she's dealing with a lot of trauma not simply from the loss of her mother but that loss represents also how her tribe have been decimated by the fire nation, how she's the last waterbender, how all this pressure exists on her shoulders (but also pride, but also determination, to bring it back) and that is expressed subtly throughout the series with the same depth and love that male characters are afforded with regard to their respective traumatic experiences. and despite all this she never tries to stop making the world good? She's always pushing for change, she's always wanting to make things better, she's relentless and doesn't give up when it comes to her vision for a better world... she has such a big heart. and that coexists with a deep anger in her, and deep hurt. Not to make an ocean metaphor so early on but she's as deadly and deep as the ocean but she chooses to be kind and warm and that's so powerful.

why i don't

honnestly while katara's instincts to mother people are a sad symptom of how she was forced to grow up to soon and automaically asigns herself a role of emotional responsibility she has mixed feelings about, i know that if katara tried to mother me, i would be annoyed. but that sounds more like a me problem.

favourite episode

oh it's either the episode where she beats the fucking shit out of pakku or it's the southern raiders. the first one because it's so gratifying to see how she's grown and developed as a bender and really come into her own. the second because... god i love how *messy* the southern raiders is, and it really taps into what i love about katara - she's flawed, she runs off on an ill-thought out revenge mission with zuko, she's got a great capability for darkness as she quite seriously considers murdering a man she has every right to loathe and to kill - but she chooses against it, in the end. it would not be right for her, if not him. she chooses what's right for her in the end.

favourite season

I'm gonna be a wee bit controversial and say book 1 had the best conception of katara's arc from student to master and really saw her grow and flourish, from someone yelling at her brother' oafish prejudice to a real master, that really solidified her as an idealist and presented that as the strength that is, that showed her struggling with petty jealousy of aang's progress and had her stumble in ways that made her character comeplling and interesting - like what an introduction to her character! book 2 had some fantastic moments but i can't think of anything particularly remarkable about hee character arc - largely because it tied into aang's romantic arc i think at this point. book 3 had some absolutely fantastic moments (scam queens katara and toph!! painted lady!! southern raiders!! the final agni kai) that really shone but also book 3 lays a lot of groundwork for fanon i hate (e.g. katara as the mom friend - wish that headcanon would die tbh)

favourite line

fuck there's a lot of good ones but my underrated fave is when sokka says he's kissed a girl before but she's never met her and katara says 'Who? Gran-gran? I've met gran-gran' and it's bruuutaaall

but my favourite serious line is 'I will never ever give up on people who need me'. powerful.

favourite outfit

water tribe anything!! and i actually think her book one/book two braids are her best hair. underrated katara hair. personally she looks just adorable in her parka in the flashback to when she was like. eight.

OTP

katara/personal fulfilment

katara/happiness

katara/fulfilling her goals and dreams

katara/loving minor background character who is never named

there's some ships i like in AU situations - yuetara is actually one i lov, especially with waterbender yue, i just love the whole sea/moon thing as well as katara and yue rebelling in loud/quiet ways, being girlfriends who refuse to have their lives defined by the expectations of older men, who have a great sense of duty towards their nations and won’t let gendered expectations stop them.

and most of you know i like the messy drama of katara/azula in a lighter AU situation where they're like, school or academic rivals, and the legacy of imperialism isn’t quite so personal (and azula makes better choices, obviously), but it’s not as much as i “ship” them as i just find the potential dynamic interesting, they’re both driven by a sense of duty for their home, it’s just that means *very* different things depending if you’re SWT or FN.

none of them are OTPs though - they’re more just fun thought experiments

brotp

katara & sokka - absolutely love their sibling dynamic its amazing. both have been impacted negatively by the shit in their lives and are not always dealing with it in functional ways but theyre there for each other, through thick and thin, always have each other's backs, they roast each other and bicker and sometimes make stupid decisions and sometimes lash out but at the end of the day their love pulls through, they’re able to work past those conflicts.

katara & aang - honestly while i feel kataang was just so poorly executed in the show (listen guys I just can’t after ember island players, i know that was a bad episode, but i can’t) & i cant imagine katara wanting to leave the south pole after the war for long spells (it would have to be long distance love, lots of profound and heartfelt letters and occasional visits, if anything, but i dont know if that’s what katara wants or needs? so maybe it wouldn’t pan out?), but regardless, i really do think these two had a life-changing friendship where each really represented hope for each other, that's at the core of it, they both truly believe in each other, and inspired each other. katara & aang good.

a headcanon

chief katara anyone?? chief katara?!?!

oh oh OH i also think that katara, while primarily a combat bender during the war, actually takes to healing a lot more after the show and gets proper healing training at some point with the help of a trained medical expert and maybe yugoda. tbh i feel like the show was a bit dismissive of healing as an ability - i feel like having that is *extremely* useful in any combat situation, you always have a medic on hand - but i understand why katara, who wanted to be recognised as powerful regardless of her gender, and wanted to hold herself in a fight alongside sokka & aang, pushed for combat waterbending training because that is what 'powerful' looks like to her in the moment. obviously katara is capable of incredible healing feats (see: saving aang) but i think given we see her as a healer in lok (not a decision i necessarily disagree with) would mean a shift in focus. i think katara actually comes to realise she likes healing a great deal, but really she excels in all aspects of waterbending and is the south’s most respected master who helped rejuvenate southern style waterbending

unpopular opinion

the main reason people think katara is straight is because we see her have very few meaningful interactions with other girls outside of toph. ATLA as a show is a bit romance obsessed, and very heteronormative in that regard, and so interactions with minor characters almost always line up with a potential crush for sokka or katara, and later, zuko (suki, haru, jet, yue, song, jin....). we rarely see katara build friendships with other girls and it’s such a damn shame.

(anyway bi katara for life)

a wish

the version of the puppetmaster we saw was actually fire nation propaganda, i feel like katara would have felt deep compassion for a prisoner of war and after maybe some clashes, would have agreed to help smuggle her out of the fire nation and secure passage home for hama, and tried to assure her that she still has a place there. the treatment of hama in that episode was awful (but also hama was written to be almost cartoonishly evil, very much an evil witch in her cottage in the spooky woods? like the whole horror movie / spooky story opening was such a big tell) and tbh i reject the thesis that we saw ‘katara’s dark potential’ in that episode completely, or that bloodbending as a power is inherently dark, or katara’s use of it to stop hama ‘corrupted’ her. I feel like katara might feel this way as a teenager perhaps but with time (she can be a little black and white at times), and especially with more training as a healer, i think she might realise that’s not the case, she’ll realise that she was right to try and oppose hama, her elder (she was lashing out rather than really trying to oppose the fire nation), and it wasn’t a betrayal of her or her beliefs, but also her use of bloodbending wasn’t wrong or evil inherently at all? and maybe she’d find ways to use it for healing purposes? anyway my wish is that, i like the idea that they meet again, speak about their differences, reconcile a little / come to an understanding, and katara learns more from hama again

an oh-god-please-don't-ever-happen

anything where katara’s character is reduced to a comforter or a healing device for a man and his trauma. particularly zuko. (they don’t have that dynamic in canon thankfully, zuko would never, zuko respects her too much)

5 words to describe them:

idealistic, hard-working, powerful, headstrong, kind

my nickname for them:

chief. or comrade. :^)

#katara

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zuzuslastbraincell · 4 years

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Katara, if you please :)

Sexuality Headcanon: Bi :^) just because we never see Katara have many meaningful relationships with other girls (outside of Toph) on screen, doesn’t mean she doesn’t like them.

Gender Headcanon: female. I’m partial to trans katara as well, I think it’s a fun headcanon.

A ship I have with said character: tbh, I’m not big on ships for Katara in canon? Like on one level I feel like Katara deserves to be loved and adored by everyone, but also I am really tired of people using Katara as shipping fodder. (I like to imagine she gets a bf or a gf off-screen post-canon. Perhaps a bender from the Northern Water Tribe who moves to the south to learn from her/help her rebuild)

in AU situations, though, I really like Yuetara in an AU where Yue is a waterbending healer because I’m stupid weak for sappy tragic moon/sea gfs stuff. I also.... have such a soft spot for Kazula in a school AU rivals-to-lovers situation where Azula isn’t directly opposing and hurting the gaang in the same way, because they just match each other’s intensity well.

A BROTP I have with said character: OH Sokka and Katara, of course, BEST sibling dynamic. They’re messy, they’ve both been impacted by the trauma of war, they’re often bickering and sometimes even mean to each other but they also really do have each other’s back and work past it the best they can. Honestly anything I’ve written with Katara has had Sokka either present or mentioned often, I just think they’re that important to each other.

also I feel Zuko & Katara and Aang & Katara both deserve mentions here.

Zuko is the member of the gaang Katara can just be emotionally open with without having to bottle it up until it explodes in anger (as Sokka refuses to deal with emotions 90% of the time unless they’re hidden behind layers of jadedness, irony, or humour) and the rest of the gaang is younger, so yeah, but I think with Zuko she has a space where she can speak freely and voice a lot of stuff she has difficulty containing without judgement (because Zuko also has Lots Of Feelings and on some level Gets It).

And Aang is the member of the gaang that first offered Katara hope and a sense that there was a way out of the hopeless situation her tribe was, who offered her a way to train and grow as a waterbender, but also offered her fun and levity in a time lacking in it, and gave her a sense of her childhood back when she was forced to grow up too fast because of war. She adores Aang & would follow him around the world and back without a map quite honestly.

A NOTP I have with said character: with either Zuko or Azula in canon timelines. Katara deserves a future where she can invest her whole heart in the south pole and in reconstruction efforts there, including starting a waterbending school, and just being integral to the community. like, even on a practical level, dating Fire Nation royalty doesn’t line up with that, and that’s before we even touch on reluctance and mixed feelings she might have about dating former imperialist royals who have tried to hurt her & her friends.

(This is before we touch like, fandom content for Zuko/Katara, which has historically been marred with imperialist apologism and racism and people treating Katara like a stand-in and zuko like an angsty white boy. bad.)

as for Azula, i certainly can’t see her forgiving Azula easily for how she hurts Aang, Zuko, & the whole gaang. Even if Azula apologises and has a full redemption arc and makes all the amends she can, I just can’t see it happening.

A random headcanon: Katara has a not-like-other-girls phase that largely keeps to herself and she totally grows out of, and it comes about from struggling with how her feelings for girls are different / feeling like she can’t be friends with girls, that she finds female friendship harder to navigate than boys (where there’s a clear roadmap), and feels a bit frustrated/guilty about her lack of friends who are girls her age and her seeming inability to ‘connect’ (it’s because you’re crushing on them Katara....). Or at least, that’s how I choose to interpret how she barely interacts with Suki, lmao. Imagine your brother’s girlfriend being your bi awakening... god, things would be awkward, poor Katara :(

Anyways. I love reading into things based on very small character details (i.e. Katara’s relative lack of female friendships)

General Opinion: I absolutely adore character for all her complexity, for her anger and her compassion and her idealism and her depth. She’s kind and warm but also petty and impulsive and holds grudges like nothing else - she’s got strengths and flaws in spades. Just great character writing! Also characters who hold deep beliefs are just generally really underrated and Katara is no exception.

She’s not the ‘mom’ friend - she’s impulsive, adventure-seeking, and honestly? Quite often funny. Also, certain shippers don’t have a monopoly on good Katara characterisation and appreciation for her character from a feminist perspective, no matter what they claim, lol.

#katara #soozenwrites

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