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curioussubjects · 1 year

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Ok so I have some spnwin-spn connection spec I wanna share with y'all from back when @alwaysanoriginal were spiraling over some interview about The Winchesters (as we do). The second to last question is about John's journal being created, which of course made me think of plot hole vampmimes. Of course.

Or maybe not so plothole-y?

That was mostly a joke, though I did hope tonight was going to maybe for the lolz address that. Well, little did I know because that old convo continued with this:

DOES THIS REMIND YOU OF ANYTHING YOU WATCHED TONIGHT

DOES IT

Char, then, decided to come for me in the night and point out that the Running on Empty montage in 19 has some pretty choice scenes featuring Changing Channels, Wayward Sisters and the AU rift, Dean time traveling, and The Heroes' Journey (which I always argued was essentially the intended finale metaphorically).

Side note: sorry to expose y'all to my private ravings lol

A lot of this actually comes back to a point Billie made in s15 about Chuck building reality with himself at the center to keep it ticking. So how can you possibly beat him? By letting him think he won. I can't help but remember that delightful line from Dean in s12: "‘Cause we’re not trapped out here with you. You’re trapped out here with us." You know, that one time Dean and Sam pulled a death gambit to escape a black ops site.

But back to The Winchesters: last week we had Carlos refusing to play Loki's game (a god who can affect reality, or one's perception thereof) and winning. But to do so, he had to put his life on the line. He had to be willing to lose everything. By the way, I am once again feeling very emotional about Carlos saying he sacrificed everything for hunting, but he gained so much more because that's it! That's the thing! So yeah...cue Carlos singing Hard Times Come Again No More to his family.

This week John is the one with the seemingly inescapable fate of death (courtesy of vampires because of course), and while he doesn't tap out of the game, he realizes he knows nothing about the context of what he saw. He only got half the story, and the rest was up to him. It's appropriate, too, that this week we get another Supernatural classic with Mary reassuring John that they will find another way. And yeah, John does and wins.

And, I mean, if we're talking fate and god and gambles, why not remember a nifty piece of advice Sam and Dean received from Fortuna in The Gamblers: “Don’t play his game. Make him play yours.”

My point is if we look at 19 and 20 much like we would a vision from an amulet, none of the plot of Supernatural needs to change. It's fated. But as Millie says, and John says, and Dean say: fate is what you make it. And if The Winchesters is about how Sam and Dean became the Winchesters, then what else is this show but the context we've been missing all along.

(send this man to stan jail tbh)

[also what is more Winchester stupid than the cosmic consequences of saving your family...like...say...releasing the Darkness or...causing an Akrida infestation...though who knows that could've been on purpose for reasons. I'm putting nothing past spnwin.]

Don't ask me how Dean goes from pulling a death gambit to get into heaven to time travelling to tweak with his parents' past. We're through the looking glass here people and we'll simply have to wait and see -- but the puzzle is for sure getting less mysterious. Something free will, knowledge, family, and Growth, something. Therapy. You know, The Winchesters.

Or I'm totally off the mark and I'll have egg for face who's to say, but for now, as a treat, I'm feeling very

#yes that's an apollo gift of prophecy joke that only 10 people will get what of it lolsobs #the winchesters #supernatural #spnwin #spn #the winchesters spoilers #spnwin spec #spn meta #my writing #remember how we've been joking about the finale being absurdist theater #WELL DO I HAVE BIG IF TRUE NEWS FOR YOU LMAO #please think about that godawful barn speech as a french mistake attempt at acting #if there's a lock there must be a key style #it's FICTION! A COMPLETE FABRICATION!#but it's also true because it happened we lost we sacrificed everything #but we gained so much more #chuck won #...but then he didnt!!!!

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thigholstercas · 1 year

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woke up thinking what if Chuck aka God is hiding in the past somehow (I haven't figured out the how yet) but we saw him there playing the piano, so what if it's not a sure! rob could wear a wig so he can be in the episode I mean louden swain didn't promote themselves in spnwin with rob so it has to be something different. anyway, what if Dean is chasing him because he knows it's not over yet...

#the winchesters #spnwin #spn #spnwin spoilers #spnwin spec

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dotthings · 1 year

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Some thoughts:

The characters and events we’re seeing on TW are not an alternate timeline from what we saw on spn prime.

John could have had all the growth we’re seeing, and been a better human, and had a close knit group of hunter friends, and still fall the way he did. The differences between TW and spn prime are the results of unreliable narrators, how memory works, and assumptions made based on the bits and pieces of the puzzle we saw.

Dean didn’t have the whole story before. We didn’t have the whole story before.

This is the path that will to the John we know in the mothership. A lot of the spec and discourse around this relies on fully dehumanizing John, where he has to be always all terrible, and there can be no good and he can’t have had loving supportive friends and still fall.

Without the love and support John has in TW, things would have gone even worse. For him, for everyone.

Without this specific timeline of events we’re seeing on TW, this family would have been even more broken with increased generational trauma and whatever worse outcomes you can imagine.

Because Sam and Dean weren’t the Sam and Dean we know.

Also no Sam and Dean as they are, no Cas. No Cas, world is lost. The only Cas in all the worlds who refused to follow orders. Who fell in love.

And John and Mary fell even farther. Because the good parts were lessened even further. Don’t dehumanize them. This isn’t an apologia. On the mothership, John and Mary were never evil and we did see the loving parts of them, buried or damaged but still alive.

On TW we’re learning just how much their capacity for love really is. Their hope and their love that becomes damaged and buried, but it’s never burned out. They are not fully lost.

The monster club of 1972 is what leads to Team Free Will being who they are.

This is it.

It’s what “really happened.”

Not a “better timeline” — this is the path that leads to the events of spn prime.

The EP’s expressly told us they aren’t changing the mothership events, that TW isn’t alteration to mothership events, and that there’s no polaroid fade effect.

This timeline isn’t getting wiped out. Maybe the temptation arises. In hopes of an even happier outcome, but the loss of this particular timeline dooms everyone.

Recontextualizing and filling in blanks and giving the fuller version of history. Telling the spn universe through a kinder, warmer lens.

Dean gave John the letter. Dean sent John to Mary and Mary led John to Carlos and Lata.

The rebar death isn’t being undone. And I want it undone. But that’s not how this is going to work, but, listen, the rebar death is going to get its comeuppance. It’s going to be overshadowed by what’s next for Dean’s continuing story. That rebar is going to pay.

Dean’s legacy and his ongoing story is going to melt it down and the story engine will roar on beyond it.

Dean, who has been the biggest heart center of the spn mothership, with his big way of loving, not only the author of this story in the sense that he is telling it, he is actually the spark who set of these specific events, he pushed over that domino. He picked the music.

And with an opportunity to stop himself, he’s going to stay his hand, let it play out how it did, and be good with who he is.

#Dean Winchester #spnwin #the winchesters #spnwin spec #spnwin meta #spnwin spoilers #and on a meta level Jensen #dean meta

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wigglebox · 1 year

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tho for real, while talking with folks today, i do believe that’s gabriel and not loki [going off of gabe’s story that loki gave him the disguise at some point] due to language he used.

the interesting one was the use of ‘samesies’ as a friend said, which came about mostly, according to google, around 2007. which is also, interestingly, is the same year gabe’s/loki’s first episode aired lol.

but also, i do believe wholeheartedly that it was in fact chuck and not just a rob benedict easter egg, particularly bc this interview with robbie dropped before the episode:

Samuel is a big mythology character to come into the series. What’s the mandate been about how many of these “known characters should be folded into the first season?

You know, our mandate — and that’s a great phrase for it — was: What’s the story? What’s the story we’re trying to tell with these characters? They can’t just be Easter eggs and fun for the fans. We never said “no” to any character. We never said, like, “Absolutely not!” But when we got into the nitty gritty of “if we do bring in that character, what’s the story? What are we saying about Supernatural? And are we breaking anything that we, therefore, have to buy? Any time that was the case, where it felt like there was no more story here, and therefore it was just an Easter egg fun thing, we moved on from it. It’s not like they’re Pokemon and we’ve got to collect all of them. We really wanted to find a way to tell our story, and then how those character could exist within ours. So that was really the mandate.

basically, they’re not throwing in OG SPN characters for shits and giggles, they’re there for a purpose. And they even did a tighter shot on Rob playing the piano, and he was wearing a party city wig, AND he was wearing white.

you don’t casually throw in a rob benedict reference because for every new fan who won’t understand the significance or may pick up on the fact that it’s him, you have more of us OG SPN fans who would. And yeah, I know it was LS performing, but Rob didn’t say he was going to be there. No one was expecting it. I mean some of us were expecting for a while to see him pop up but there was no expectation that he would this episode.

and i’m thinking about this TBT he posted a while ago, as chuck, in swan song, wearing white, with an in-universe prequel comic book poster framed behind him of john winchester.

and another friend pointed out that there were quite a few lens flares during carlos’ singing scene.

so yeah.

that was chuck, that was gabe, and no i don’t think gabriel is stuck in a mirror. that’s just what he does to throw people off his trail. and if he is stuck in that mirror, obviously we know he doesn’t stay there.

and now we obviously know that dean’s in their timeline too

so — are they really in existence right now? are they in the empty? are they all sharing a mass hallucination? you have gabriel using modern language indicating time travel, you have dean and the car indicating time travel, and you have chuck who should not be having powers now if we are following the story linearly from OG SPN

Damn I love this show I can’t wait for more.

#long post #spnwin #spnwin spoilers #spnwin spec #idk where i was going with this but basically we just saw chuck and i'm screaming

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shallowseeker · 1 year

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Random SPNWin ficlet

where Jack spills the beans about time travel and gets mistaken for a Campbell

"Now, remember Jack. While we're unstuck in time, we can't tell them anything about us. No letting on that we know them, or that we're friggin' time travellers. Capische? Mouth zipped."

"Mouth zipped. Right."

/// five minutes later ///

Later, when they're all crowded into the dingy, orange-glow kitchen, Mary throws a sunny smile towards Millie as she starts rustling through the cupboards. Dean smothers a grin at her transparent attempts to impress the future mother-in-law.

"Millie, I can help you scrounge somethin' up--"

"No!" Jack blurts, a careening, metaphorical record scratch. Millie and Mary turn to him with twin furrowed brows. "I-I mean," he stutters, "she...can't cook...for beans?"

The phrase is awkward rolling off his tongue, and Dean's jaw drops. What the Hell? The kid is putting his foot in it this soon?

Mary bristles, like every hair on the back of her neck's standing straight up.

"Probably can't cook for beans," Jack amends, shifting his eyes, wide and terrified, to Dean. "Probably, because why would I have any idea how Mary cooks?"

Carlos snorts, and Lata makes a happy trilling sound. "I told you," Carlos mouths silently, and Lata shifts like she's kicking him under the table.

"What'd he tell you," John breaks in from across the table, eyes glittering with intelligence and suspicion. "What'd he tell you, Lata? What?"

Dean tries to head the disaster off with a casual, no-nonsense drawl: "Don't mind Jack," he insists, cool as a cucumber. "He was born in a barn."

Jack stiffens, offended: "I was actually born in a beautiful lakehouse."

Millie narrows her eyes and considers all of them. She drawls, equally no-nonsense: "Kay, obviously you two have been sitting on something big. Share with the class, Carlos. Lata."

Carlos and Lata lock gazes, and Lata withdraws a small scrap of paper from her pocket. With dawning horror, Dean realizes: it's a Jiffy Burger receipt. From 20-friggin-20.

"Found this in your jacket pocket, Mr. 'Bennett Turner.' You," Lata pops, sending a lightning stare towards Dean and tossing her long, dark hair in a very self-satisfied-Sam way, "are time travellers."

"And we think he," Carlos adds, pointing a fork at Jack, "is a Jack...Winchester. Or Campbell."

Jack's mouth drops open and he swivels to Dean in horror, shaking his head in the negative.

"How he keeps starin' at John n' Mare is a dead giveaway." Carlos huffs, scowling at Mary, "He's your future weirdo kid. I'd bet the farm on it...if we had a farm."

Oh, this is a catastrophe. Dean's mind chugs like a derailed freight train.

Meanwhile, John's eyes shimmer in that heartbreakingly happy way that reminds Dean of the world's worst what-if funhouse mirror.

"No, no," Jack stammers. "My dad is missing. My dad isn't...him. My dad is--I, Dean help!"

John actually looks disappointed, and then his face contorts into a kind of paranoid anger that has Dean's throat working overtime. Millie and Mary, on the other hand, have got some solid poker faces.

"Ah-ha!" Lata crows, jabbing her spoon his way, "So your name is Dean. That fits you a lot better."

There's a loud thunk as Jack lays his head on the table in defeat. Dean clears his throat awkwardly, but Mary's raspy tenor cuts in before he can concoct any kind of explanation.

"Wait. You said your dad's...missing?"

It's quiet, tenative, and directed at Jack. He raises his head and meets her gaze, miserably. He nods.

"It's--all of time is under attack. It's true what you say about me being from the future," Jack fidgets, hands going stiff and pancake-like on the table. "I was born in 2017, a-and my dad went radio silent after he went to investigate what you call Akrida."

"So, your dad's missing...on a hunting trip," Mary surmises.

Jack swallows. "Uh, yeah. You could say--yes."

Mary shares an empathetic look with John before rocketing her gaze back to Jack. "Then, we'll help you. Definitely."

Jack's eyes start to water, and he nods. "You're," he chokes. "You've always been kind, Mary. And brave..."

Mary lowers her brow and shares a bewildered look with John. Carlos snorts, breaking the moment: "Oh, is that what we're calling reckless and stupid in the future?"

Dean hears Lata kick Carlos again.

"Wait," Millie barks. "Born in 2017? That'd make you a toddler. No way that's your receipt. I'm calling fraud on you. On both of you."

"Oh," Lata mumurs, like she hadn't even thought of that, "you do look older than three. And the receipt did say it was from 2020."

Carlos deflates, "Yeah I was thinkin' you'd be born in the 80s if you were Mare's. Campbell, though? You look like you could be a Campbell. Fight like one, too."

Jack fidgets, picking at his fingers. "I'm just a hunter-in-training that kne- knows her."

"Oh, my god, if we're alive, we're in our 60s in the 2020s," Carlos bursts. "Tell me, who aged better, me or John? And are there flying cars? Tell me there are flying cars."

Dean's throat damn near locks up at that. He's never seen most of these people in his life, nor heard their names. "Look," he chokes, hardening his voice. "There's a lot of-of timey-wimey stuff that's all mashed up here, okay? It's dangerous. You'll have to take my word on that. When we need you to know something, you'll know it."

He hadn't meant for his voice to sharpen quite that much, but it had, and the ensuing silence borders on uncomfortable. Millie's gaze has become flat, verging on threatening.

It's John who breaks the quiet: "Y-yes, sir."

#spnwin ficlet #sorry not sorry #ficlet #jack's powers are on the fritz because i said so #carlos cervantez #latika dar #millie winchester #mary campbell #john winchester #dean winchester #jack kline #spnwin spec

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thevioletcaptain · 2 years

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it’s tarot time, i guess?

So I was doing a tarot reading for myself today when I was suddenly overcome with the desire to do a lil reading for the first season of The Winchesters. Why? Look, we all do things, man. Sometimes a person just wants to be extra unhinged about the prequel to a TV show they’ve loved for over a decade. Don’t judge me.

Anyway, the cards I pulled gave me brainworms. Like. Giant, snake-sized brainworms that are all eating their own tails like a big, squirmy worm ouroboros. I’m so sorry for that mental image.

Rather than just sit with the reading myself, I’m going to share it here in case anyone else cares to see it. I’m forcing myself not to assume that it’s all about Dean’s journey as narrator, though when I put them all together they do tell a surprisingly coherent narrative that meshes pretty well with where I’m speculating his part in the prequel is leading. Who’s to say, though.

With the giant caveat that this may very well turn out to be a big old pile of nothing, and a second giant caveat that I mostly stopped reading tarot cards for like 15 years and am a bit rusty as I only picked it back up a couple of years ago, here are the cards I pulled for each episode, followed by my interpretations, some of which take known episode titles into account.

Ace of Swords

The Hermit

The World (reversed)

Six of Swords

Two of Cups

Three of Cups

Nine of Pentacles

Seven of Cups

Eight of Pentacles

Temperance

Eight of Cups

The Tower

The Devil (reversed)

I also pulled a card for the overall takeaway to expect by the end of the season, and (hilariously) got The Moon (reversed).

Episode One - Pilot

Card: Ace of Swords Interpretation: The pursuit of truth. The action of taking control.

Perhaps this relates to Dean’s overall arc. His entire purpose as narrator of this story is to find out the “true” story about how his parents met, and he’s on this journey after finally being able to take ownership of the narrative post-Chuck. This seems like a pretty basic card pull tbh! But also... accurate considering what we already know. Moving on...

Episode Two - Teach Your Children Well

Card: The Hermit Interpretation: Striking out alone. Stepping away to find a clearer perspective without outside influence. Independence.

This is interesting, especially paired with the title of the episode, which is a reference to a CSNY song about becoming your own person while still learning from and taking on parts of your parents. I don’t think it’s a stretch to guess that this is going to be a major theme through the whole show, but the hermit showing up here with all the “make your own way” energy it carries is definitely something to think about.

Episode Three - You’re Lost Little Girl

Card: The World (reversed) Interpretation: Being stuck in place. Being unable to move forward until you’re ready to take responsibility and free yourself from what binds you.

Hm. Being stuck, being trapped, needing to free yourself... in an episode called You’re Lost Little Girl... this works. If the girl in question is Mary (I’m guessing it will be because I feel like the next ep is a John centric episode, and it makes sense with an ensemble cast to share the focus from week to week) then this could be about her desire to get out of hunting, and feeling trapped in that world even though she probably could have just left it behind. We know from Supernatural that she wanted out, and that she saw John as her ticket to normalcy. So it would make sense if this one is about her struggling with that in some way.

Putting the rest under a cut because this post is getting long and may very well turn out to be a big mountain of nonsense 😅

Episode Four - Masters of War

Card: Six of Swords Interpretation: Moving on after a loss. Picking up the pieces and accepting support. Trusting the onward journey.

This episode is the one I’m guessing is going to have a bunch of flashbacks to John’s time in Vietnam, purely because the title is from the Bob Dylan anti-war protest song of the same name. Six of Swords is definitely a “deal with your trauma” card, so this makes me raise my eyebrows even more... if it turns out to be an episode where John tries (or is encouraged) to get help with his flashbacks I’ll be yelling.

Episode Five - Daydream Believer

Card: Two of Cups Interpretation: Healing damaged relationships, forming deeper bonds.

Depending on how quickly John and Mary get together, this could either be them getting closer for the first time, or working through a rough patch if they’ve already started dating (maybe this is where we’ll see some angelic interference?) Healing damaged relationships could also apply to Dean through his narration--the whole show still seems likely to be about him trying to heal his own trauma surrounding his family, so that’s possible. This is the only episode title that has me completely stumped--the song is about a couple who don’t have much in the way of material things, but are trying to find happiness in being together. Maybe the connection will become clearer as other episodes air, but combining the title/lyrical content with this card makes me think that this episode will have to do with love in some capacity, whether it’s between John and Mary or someone else.

Episode Six - Art of Dying

Card: Three of Cups Interpretation: Reunions. Friendship and support when it’s most needed. The harvest / things coming to fruition.

We know that the show starts with Mary looking for Samuel, so perhaps this is when she’ll find him? Paired with that title though (which is a reference to the George Harrison song about death and reincarnation) I wonder if this episode will be the first time we actually see Heaven. Depending on how often Dean actually appears on screen (we know he’s going to show up in the pilot, but afaik he’s just going to be narrating most of the time) maybe this will be the next time we see him? If so, it’s possible we could also see a reunion between him and other characters at this point....... yes, I’m thinking about that .2 second clip of Cas’ shadow in the trailer and the clown shoes are VERY comfortable thank you for asking.

Episode Seven - Title Unknown

Card: Nine of Pentacles Interpretation: Abundance, but it is unfulfilling. Dissatisfaction. The certainty that something is missing despite things seeming to be complete.

I know I just did Heaven related clowning for the previous episode but... does this not sound like Dean in the afterlife, being dissatisfied with paradise because he hasn’t yet finished working through all his trauma and doesn’t yet have everything he needs? *cough*Castiel’s presence*cough* I really have no idea what else this might be about tbh. It might turn out to be a Carlos or Latika or Ada centric episode but given that I don’t really know much about them yet it’s hard to say. Maybe if Mary does find Samuel in the previous episode, this could be about her realizing that finding him wasn’t enough? She’s still restless and feels like more needs to be done? Or maybe something happened to Samuel while he was away and he’s damaged in some way--it might be cool if he’s lost part of his soul or something, given his connection to Sam in SPN...

Episode Eight - Title Unknown

Card: Seven of Cups Interpretation: Uncertainty when presented with seemingly clear choices. Looking for flaws before moving forward.

Perhaps this will be about Mary weighing pros and cons of staying in the life she hates or getting out with John somehow? Or someone will be offered a deal that will seem too good to be true, and need the characters to look at things with deeper level of scrutiny. Crossroads demon, maybe? Or!!! Maybe it’s a Dean thing and he’s going to be tempted by the chance to undo all the horrible shit that has happened to his family, but the cost will ultimately be too high, because if none of that happened then he wouldn’t have Cas or Jack or basically any of his friends, and Chuck wouldn’t have been defeated. Idk it’s really hard to say without knowing how much Dean we’ll actually get to see.

Episode Nine - Title Unknown

Card: Eight of Pentacles Interpretation: Acknowledging the desire to move forward. Exponential emotional and spiritual growth. Working through issues. Being proactive.

I’m trying really hard not to apply all of this to Dean lmao. But like... the whole premise of the show, of him looking for the truth/looking into his parents past, feels like him doing this. So I’m gonna just go full clown and say that episode nine will be an important one on that front, especially if my interpretation of the previous episode’s card is remotely close. That or it’s going to be John and Mary working through issues, but who knows how involved they’ll even be at this point. Will they have issues yet? At any rate, someone is going to be setting goals and working toward them.

Episode Ten - Title Unknown

Card: Temperance Interpretation: Testing the waters and moving toward healing. Finding peace and balance.

The further in we get the less idea I have about what the middle ones might apply to. Perhaps I need to come back and look at these cards again after we’ve seen a few episodes so I have some kind of framework. Anyway, stab in the dark... testing the waters and looking for balance makes me think of Mary maybe trying to find some way to reconcile her desire to get out of hunting with her need to carry on her family legacy as a Campbell. Maybe we’ll meet a hunter who has managed to do this? Or maybe one of the new characters will successfully find that balance, and Mary realizes that all or nothing is actually the only solution that will work for her (given that in SPN she got out completely, barring a couple of cases like Asa Fox.)

Episode Eleven - Title Unknown

Card: Eight of Cups Interpretation: Letting go of old constraints. Looking to the future.

It’s time for more Dean-related clowning. Shedding his earthly constraints and looking to his long and happy afterlife future. (I actually just have no idea, this could be relating back to the previous one. I love how there’s a clear line between all of these in terms of thematics though. Makes it seem like this might be a somewhat accurate reading. But who knows lol)

Episode Twelve - Title Unknown

Card: The Tower Interpretation: Breaking free. Total upheaval of the status quo. Letting go of the fear of change.

Y’all. I have my fingers firmly crossed for a back nine and a season two pickup, BUT if we only end up with a 13 episode first season, then that means I pulled THE MOTHERFUCKING TOWER for the penultimate episode of the season. I feel like I don’t need to explain to tarot people why that has me screaming--especially when you glance down and see which card I pulled for the finale 👀 But for the rest of you (if anyone is even reading this mess lmao) the tower basically signifies a major point of upheaval. The storm before the calm, or the the final test before the resolution. It means shedding the fear of change that has been holding you back from becoming your true self. Destruction of what has been before in order to make room for growth and change and freedom. If this show is doing what I’m inclined to believe it’s doing WRT Dean’s involvement, then this might refer to his side of things more than John and Mary and the gang, or perhaps will be the episodes when the story he’s telling and the one they’re living collide and fall apart just in time for the next episode, which is...

Episode Thirteen - Title Unknown (Possible S1 Finale)

Card: The Devil (reversed) Interpretation: Total release and liberation

Well... like I said for the previous card, if the show is doing what I think/hope it’s doing with Dean (basically, giving him some degree of the self-actualization that we didn’t get to see in the original series, letting him finish working through his trauma to become fully at peace/integrated in the afterlife) then this would suggest that he succeeds. Dean is truly free in this episode. Given that this is (at the moment) the planned S1 finale, this card makes me lose my mind. If the show gets a back nine, I have no idea, because this really feels like The Ending tbh. Considering that we already know how things will ultimately turn out for John and Mary, my best guess for this in relation to them is that--if this ends up being a midseason finale with 9 more episodes, or if we get a s2--this will be them settling into civilian life, if not ignorant of the supernatural world and enjoying a false sense of freedom, then at least choosing to live outside of the hunting lifestyle.

The Season As A Whole

Card: The Moon (reversed) Interpretation: Seeing the light, anxieties being put to rest.

So... this pretty much says that by the end of the season, everything will make sense. Things will be clear. Light will shine into all of the dark, murky places and everything will be illuminated. All in all a pretty fitting yet frustratingly obvious card for the end of the season, because... Well. Of course everything will make sense by the end of the season--barring anything being set up for a potential season 2.

But it sure did floor me when I pulled this one out when asking something like “what can we expect from the end of the season?” because it really felt like the universe was mocking me. It might as well have said “you can expect the show to follow a narrative :)”

Anyway. That’s all the cards!

One more thing, though... because there’s actually a fairly solid throughline of themes here, which is more than I expected to see. Like, start to finish, this goes:

Taking control, seeking the truth, gaining independence, freeing yourself in order to move forward, shedding trauma, accepting support, healing damaged relationships and forming deeper bonds, reuniting with those lost, feeling something is still missing, being uncertain about a choice and looking for faults, being proactive, testing the waters, letting go, breaking free, liberation, clarity.

Basically, I somehow managed to pull cards that have a coherent narrative shape? Wild. Now I guess it’s time to wait and see how close any of this is, and if it turns out to be nothing, I can always use this as a loose fic outline 😆

#cass says things #cass does tarot #i guess????#idk if i ever had a tarot tag i think i stopped doing it before i got a tumblr #do i even want to tag this with the show lmao this is probably not interesting to anyone except me #this barely counts as speculation #oh well just in case #fandom: the winchesters #spnwin spec #based wholly on tarot cards and a handful of episode titles #because why not

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theyarebothgunshot · 1 year

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ok but what if this is a way for dean to reflect on his relationship with cas and he realises he loves cas at the end?!

here's the thing........ i am a clown, but i am not that big of a clown

#here is what i am thinking for now: i think they are planting seeds #to make us hellers feel seen #and feel worthy of noticing all the romantic destiel shit #and they are saying 'you're not crazy'#and i HOPE we get cas back #and we will get some kind of closure #but i do not dare hope for anything more than subtext #anonymous #spnwin spec

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SPNWin Ficlet: Echoes in your image

Dean fucked up time; Jack comes to save him from himself and quarantine the infected world

Dean doesn't look. Can't look.

The amulet has started to bounce in place, like the confused needle of a compass.

"Dean," the newcomer says, anguished.

The bull-man amulet glows so brightly that all the rear and side mirrors glimmer, casting kaleidoscope reflections off the interior cabin and leather seats.

"Jack," Dean whispers.

Jack is solemn, like a frozen lake. "I have to take you away from here."

No.

No way.

Dean throws his best grenade: "You of all people should let me save my mom."

It's a low blow, and Jack goes silent. When Dean finally looks up, Jack is staring into the impala vents, the faint rustle of AC stirring the long, windswept fringe of his hair.

He finally says: "She's not your mom."

Dean lets off the gas, and the impala slows, like a DeLorean running out of Plutonium.

"What do you mean by that," he answers, too evenly.

Jack looks a little less timeless as he twists the top of the seatbelt in his hands--a little less beatific, a little less unfeeling god. "It's like. There's entropy, Dean. A direction. You--you can't unscramble an egg."

Dean stiffens, because he isn't simply trying to unscramble an egg, not simply trying to save his mom. It's also about-- "What about Akrida? It's not supposed to be there, in 1972. I had to give John that letter. They're a threat to all of existence. All of it. When I saw them there, I had to step in."

Jack finally snaps: "But it's not your problem, Dean."

"Oh, so you don't think the Winchesters can handle it."

"No. I know the Winchesters can't handle it. You made it so much worse by trying to handle it, don't you get it?"

Dean cuts his eyes at the kid and stews. He wants to ask, "Who died and made you God?" but that'd be another incredibly low blow.

Jack rakes his hands through his hair--another too-human gesture. "You don't understand. That is John. That is Mary. But they're not your parents. Just being here, you're influencing everything. Every stroke, every connection that you influence echoes in your image Dean."

"You're saying this, what? Isn't even real? It's just another Heavenly hologram? That I'm God here?"

Jack huffs, looking frustrated, like he's barely holding back his own anger. "No, no, and no. It's very real. That's why I've been trying to catch you."

Jack stretches out his hands and traces his fingerpads over the vents, like the cool air can help cool his head. "When you look, the universe senses it. It turns against you, to shut it all down, like a self-destruct sequence. That's Akrida. Akrida happened because you were snooping around, trying to uncover things about your parents."

His eyes slide to Dean, heavy with meaning. "The act of observing, Dean. It's powerful. This is much bigger than you...or me."

///

Jack sighs again, looking more tired than Dean's ever seen him, like this God gig is a long stream of eighty-hour work weeks.

"Maybe it's my fault. Heaven was too...open, maybe. But I-I had to come here...to save you." He stares at Dean, like he cares too much, like he's heartbroken. "The only thing we can do now is--is quarantine this dimension and let it die. Lock the Akrida inside with it."

Dean thinks of young Mary's hopeful steps to reclaim her identity, and of John's twisted, fawn-like steps towards recovery. "You--you're saying we abandon them?"

"If there were any other way--"

It's whiplash. "So you're not gonna lift a friggin' God-finger to help."

Jack groans. "Dean. I'm saying I can't. We touch down there, and we don't have any power against anything. We're at the Akrida's mercy. And if they get out? It's everything. All of existence--not just 1972. It's 2023. It's 1734. It's all of it."

"Well," Dean grumbles, staring hard at the road. "You can quarantine me, too, then."

"Dean--"

"I'm not leaving them behind, Jack. Someone's gotta fight for 'em. I have to, especially if--if I brought this down on 'em."

Jack is quiet for a solid ten minutes. He's still fiddling with the unattached seatbelt. Dean considers shoving a cassette in the tape deck and cranking up the volume. Anything to fight the crushing, disappointing silence.

Finally, Dean can't take it anymore, and he breaks it. "So, what're you still doing here?"

Jack scowls at the road ahead, seeming to draw some kind of energy from Dean's stubbornness.

"Shit," Jack whispers, grasping the seatbelt and stretching it across his lap. With an echoing click, he fastens it. "I guess...I'm going with you. I'm not gonna be a-an absent God. Even if that means I stop being God."

Dean chances a look at the kid--sees his gray-blue eyes locked on the road ahead. Something about all of this turns his stomach, like the guilt is too much to acknowledge. This is about the last thing he'd expected to happen today--another domino in what is turning out to be a cosmic-sized mistake.

As they ease into the Lawrence city limits, circa 1972, Jack murmurs: "Know what Sam would say? This is a dumb idea in a laundry list of dumb ideas."

Heh. That's actually one of Dean's lines. He slips The Who into the tape deck, and Happy Jack roars to life. "Spoken like a true Winchester."

#spnwin spec #happy jack by the who is so #spnwin

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