#the deaths of vic sage

[theimaginauts]

THE QUESTION

Art by ANDREA SORRENTINO

#andrea sorrentino #the question #the deaths of vic sage #dc comics

[confusion-doodle]

Hey lads, would starting with The Deaths of Vic Sage be a terrible idea or alright?

#The question #vic sage #The Deaths of Vic Sage #DC #dc comics

[sporkberries]

butch/femme lesbians of dc: what are your thoughts and opinions?

my professional and correct opinion

i probably forgot some but oh well

#lesbian #:) #i love women #beatriz da costa #zindah blake #death of the endless #cissie king jones #mia dearden #helena bertinelli #rose wilson #renee montoya #raven #rachel roth #SIGH #hate that name #cassandra cain #kate kane #cassie sandsmark #vic sage #dc

[yells-of-the-not-so-danged]

The Question (2005)

Wowie! it's so cool to read about The Question helping Superman-

whh-

WHH????

BRO SUPERMAN TOLD YOU NOT TO KILL ANYONE OR HE'LL KICK YOUR ASS TO THE CURB!!!

don't you do it.

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!!!!

you need some serious help, brother...

oh- and you had/have a crush on Lois Lane because you went to the same college... are you the same guy who got kicked out of collage for getting into fights, or did something else happen to you?

i do legitimately think the way the city talks to Vic is cool, there's a neat difference between the choppy muddled voice of the city and the crisp and clear voice of the forest from Question Quarterly #1. I'd imagine the writer, Rick Veitch, took inspiration from that.

--WELL. THAT WAS A THING THAT HAPPENED. This Vic is definitely a... different take on the character, and not a bad one, just not what I was expecting. It really bugs me that he didn't respect Superman's wishes and *at the very least* didn't kill everyone, and while I didn't expect him to A) have had a school boy's crush on Lois and B) still be harboring it, I would honestly still buy this Question's comics if they were being sold.

#next I'm going to read through and review The Deaths of Vic Sage #i'm not looking forward to it - if i remember right he kinda had riddler like douchebagyness at the start #BUT! if i going thinking like that then of course i'm not going to like it - i want to go in with an open mind and give it an even shake #live blogging #comic review #the question (2005) #the question dc #vic sage #dc comics

[fungi-maestro]

The Question in The Question: The Deaths of Vic Sage (2019)

#book club #comics #dc comics #the question #the question: the deaths of vic sage #dc black seal #vic sage #hes very beautiful #well. when i cant see his face that is. #questionable images

[zahri-melitor]

You have been assigned a four issue mini comic [<100 pages]. It can be about whatever you want. The only restriction is that it has to be about a minor support character [IE character friends, character parents, reoccuring minor villains, reoccuring civilians]. Which character do you choose, and what story would you want to tell in a four issue mini?

For transparency, I'm asking this question to a bunch of people because I want to see all the ideas everyone has. See what everyone would do.

You know what I'd really love? Writing a Lady Shiva mini. I am stretching the definition of 'reoccurring minor villain' but she's never actually had a proper mini in her own right and she's very VERY rarely had viewpoint. I'd want to pick and choose from her various established backstories, and tone down as many of the League of Assassins connections as possible. I think I'd frame it as four pivotal fights (because that's the language of Shiva)

Fight 1: Sandra and David Cain (the 'sort out the backstory' issue/the apprentice) hitting the following:-

Carolyn and Sandra's childhood in Detroit as Chinese-American diaspora, including trips back to China to the family village there for additional martial arts training.

Carolyn encounters Ben Turner and David Cain, both of whom are training under Richard Dragon, with none of this LOA-linked

David Cain murdering Carolyn to motivate Sandra who he sees as a stronger fighter

Recanonise the Batgirl 2000 Cass origin

Sandra giving Cass to David

Fight 2: Lady Shiva and Richard Dragon (the 'birth of Lady Shiva' and her quest to match herself against the best fighters on the planet/the journeywoman)

This would revolve around Shiva's quest to seek training from various sensei.

References to Dinah and Shiva's shared mentor

Shiva and her encounters with Vic Sage and the first signs of her fondness for cases in which she sees the potential for greater violence, just as David Cain saw in her

Maybe recanonise the Paper Monkey stuff? Either way, have her win accolade and acclaim by facing off against the greatest fighters, killing many of them, and gaining her place in the hierarchy

Lots of wandering swordsman journey

Finishing point has this fight ending with Shiva not killing Richard because she can now best him and has found herself alone at the top as the 'best fighter in the world' - but she sees the power he still has above her - his ability to mentor and create the competition she seeks

Fight 3: Lady Shiva and Dinah Lance (Shiva the mentor, training those she most respects the potential in/the master)

I picked Dinah to frame this one for two reasons: she's my fave AND I wanted a fight with a woman for the second set.

We hit backstory with Shiva actively encountering Dinah, Tim, Connor, Cass. 'Her' heroes who she becomes attached to and to pushing them to be better competition for her.

This is the only bit where I might lean towards League of Assassins in terms of probably Nyssa and/or Talia approaching her to ask her to help train their troops, but Shiva finds it dull.

"Go to sleep Westley I might kill you in the morning" attitude emerging as she finds herself weirdly attached to the people she's pushing.

I would love to include a pay off for her fight with Helena Bertinelli in BOPv2 that was put on 'hold' in this fight with Dinah.

Fight 4: Lady Shiva and Cassandra Cain (The inheritance and future issue)

This would be framed around a NEW encounter between Shiva and Cass rather than one of their old ones

Leans into Shiva's death wish and viewing she's already passed on her inheritance, and that she's now defeatable

I would also want to see Sin Lance and Bethany Thorne appear in this issue (also Tim)

Looking at all four of these characters and how they have the potential to surpass and surprise her.

This one WOULD end with Shiva in a position where she's pushing Cass to kill her as she's now the tired one and Cass once again denying it to her

#am I stretching the definition a bit? yes #do I think this would work as an epic mini? also yes

[hawkzeyes]

Give me slutty Vic Sage or give me death

The Question #22 (1986)

#dc #dc comics #detective comics #The Question #Vic Sage

[couldtransitionsaveher]

VIC SAGE/THE QUESTION from DC COMICS (formerly CHARLTON COMICS)

JUSTIFICATION:

"Has a whole thing surrounding death and rebirth. She’s like constantly depersonalizing and talking about not really feeling like a “man” (in the personhood sense but still). A lot of her closest allies are sapphic women. She shows up in a lesbian bar in one panel. She probably still would have been killed and resurrected for shit philosophy crimes but it would make at least a smidge easier I think" - Anonymous

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#could transition have saved her #vic sage #the question #dc comics #question dc #charlton comics #transgender #trans hc #anonymous submission

[dccomicsbracket]

Motivations:

Anita Fite (Empress)

Anita Fite was done and has continued to be done dirty for a long time. She spent the original Young Justice run being preyed on by older men, bullied, drawn half naked, been foisted with stereotypical depictions of Vodou, having her major spotlight arc co-opted by a random team up if basically every teen hero, having the climax of her spotlight arc instead going to more Cissie angst, and then receiving an incredibly dumb write out. Literally every member of Young Justice save her (and Slobo, but his circumstances are trickier) has since resurfaced in modern comics. Anita deserves her chance in the spotlight. The current continuity reset means we don't have to stay married to her bullshit ending. There's a lot of potentially interesting ground to cover with her relationships to the loa. She can have more insane homoerotic tension with other women. Maybe she'll almost stab a werewolf to death for looking at the girl she likes wrong again! DC is also sorely lacking a magical team book at the moment. She'd do great on a team as the magic user who actually knows how to throw a punch Bring her back!!!

The Amazons (+ Diana)

Batman has Detective Comics, Superman has Action Comics, so where is Wonder Woman's Sensation Comics? Given how delightful Amazons Attack (2023) has been, it would be great to have a regular book for all of the Amazons to star in. Imagine regular B and C stories for other Wonderfamily members à la PKJ's recent Action run. It would also allow greater focus on Yara Flor and the Esquecida, who haven't had the chance to have much spotlight focused on them to build them out in relation to the Bana-Mighdall and the Themyscirans. It would also be great to be able to have more than one take on Diana at a time—imagine a Wonder Woman/Sensation Comics split as drastic as the current Zdarsky/V split in Batman and Tec. There's even a logical Diana in Man's World Vs Diana with her sisters split you could play with.

Vic Sage (The Question) and Renee Montoya (The Question)

Save Renee from being a cop again

#dc comics #poll #next of dc poll #anita fite #dc empress #diana prince #wonder woman #wonder girl #wonder family #yara flor #the esqucida #the question #vic sage #renee montoya

[superheroes-or-whatever]

The Question: The Death of Vic Sage (2020) #1

#the question #Vic Sage #Dc #comics #comic books

[ao3feed-brucewayne]

Dawn of the Duelverse - (an alternate Post-Crisis DC Historia)

by IGeo An alternate history of the Post-Crisis DC Universe. The Anti-Monitor's mad dream of erasing positive matter from existence has been dashed. By all accounts, The Multiverse should've been made one. Instead, by some unknown means, mitosis occurred. Now what was five is only two. In the aftermath of the crisis, with the worlds of the Justice Society and Justice League dividing the spoils of the other surviving three between them, the new "Duelverse" finds itself settling into a new paradigm. Worlds have lived, worlds have died, and nothing will ever be the same. Words: 1205, Chapters: 1/?, Language: English Fandoms: DCU (Comics), Justice Society of America (Comics), Teen Titans (Comics), Justice League of America (Comics), Infinity Inc. (Comics), Kingdom Come (Comics), Green Lantern (Comics), Superman (Comics), The Question (Comics), Power Girl (Comics) Rating: Teen And Up Audiences Warnings: Graphic Depictions Of Violence, Major Character Death, No Archive Warnings Apply Categories: Gen, Multi, Other Characters: Judy Garrick, Jay Garrick, Alan Scott (DCU), Kent Nelson, Al Pratt, Kal-L | Earth-2 Superman, Bruce Wayne, Vic Sage, David Sikela, Kyle Rayner, Karen Starr | Kara Zor-L, Sandman (Character), Nathaniel Adam, Christopher Smith | Peacemaker, Jared Stevens, Jessica Cruz, Simon Baz, Doomsday (Superman), Ultra-Humanite, Amanda Waller, Ted Kord, Michael Carter (DCU), Peter Cannon, Sonia Sato, Sparkington Northrup, Yolanda Montez, Lyta Trevor-Hall, Koriand'r (DCU), Wesley Dodds, Jim Corrigan, Mar Novu | The Monitor, The Childminder, Matthew Tyler, Courtney Whitmore, Diana (Wonder Woman), Iris West II, Olivia Queen | Oliver Queen's Daughter, Avia | Scott Free and Big Barda's Daughter, Jennifer Pierce, Mar'i Grayson, Helena Wayne Relationships: Helena Wayne & Original Character(s), Kara Zor-L & John Constantine, Dick Grayson/Koriand'r, Mary Batson | Mary Bromfield & Freddy Freeman, Dinah Lance/Oliver Queen, Jennifer-Lynn Hayden/Kyle Rayner, Selina Kyle/Bruce Wayne Additional Tags: Pre-Crisis, Post-Crisis (DCU), Earth-2 (DCU), Earth-1 (DCU), Justice Society of America (DCU), Mentioned Teen Titans (DCU), What If? (Marvel Comics), Elseworlds, Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence, Parallel Universes, Alternate Universe - 1940s, Earth-22 (Kingdom Come Comics), Documentation, Alternate History, Worldbuilding, Super Squad (Legacies), Superheroes via https://ift.tt/SdfeWmI

#IFTTT #bruce wayne #batman #the dark knight #the caped crusader #gotham #dcu #dc #ao3 #ao3feed

[pinkcherryblossom18]

Summary: When Jason's former girlfriend shows up a week before Red Hood shows up Bruce gets suspicious and goes to visit her. He finds out more than what she was saying.

This is based on the first part of Bruce's retelling of the events of Under The Red Hood in Death In The Family when he's talking to Clark.

Authors Note: The reader is from Hub City and sibling to Vic Sage AKA The Question. If you don't know who that is, he was a member of the Justice League, a detective, and a conspiracy theorist as well as a vigilante for Hub City. Vic died of lung cancer and has a successor who isn't the reader but that isn't important. If anything confuses you please ask me and I'll try to answer to the best of my ability. The reader also goes by Inquiry.

TW: Mentions of death and angst, anxiety ticks(totally not projecting).

Word Count: 1k+

I visited Y/N. She had shown up in Gotham a week before the Red Hood had made his first appearance. I should have questioned it but it had become normal for her to show up every few months, after Vic’s death she would show up in Jason’s room every other month and after Jason died, she continued to keep doing so but at his grave instead. 

I had found it curious that the Red Hood had shown up a week after she had but Y/N was smart and knew how to cover her tracks so that I would never find out the connection between them. She knew I would question it but she also knew that there would be doubt in her actions, she had hoped that the doubt would win out. 

It didn’t. 

I found her at a cafe that she and Jason would visit frequently, I knew that if I could get her to look me in the eyes. If I could let her know that if it was Jason, that she had brought him here from Hub City, then I wouldn’t be angry at her.  She knew I was coming, always seemed to know when I caught wind of her being in Gotham and we would always meet at the same cafe. 

He looked into the window of the cafe, Y/N sat there, drinking her coffee and playing with a napkin. In front of her was another coffee, she knew he would show up as he always did when he caught wind that she was in Gotham. Would always ask how she was and they would engage in small conversation before she would leave and go back to her home in Hub City and back to Inquiry and her job. 

Straightening his jacket, Bruce opened the door and walked inside, heading straight for their usual booth in the back of the cafe only this time she was facing the entrance to the cafe. 

“I can switch seats if you want, I suppose I wanted to see you more vulnerable,” she said as he approached, setting down the shredded napkin and grabbing her coffee. “It’s good for someone to be vulnerable every once in a while, not good to be so tense all of the time though I can guess that you will be more now that you are not facing the door.” She took a sip of her coffee but made no indication that she was going to move. 

He waved her off and sat down, an uncomfortable feeling settling in him when he did so. “It’s fine, good to switch things up every now and then.”

She took the cup away from her for a second and looked at him with faux uninterest in her eyes. “I guess if Clark can do it so can you,” she said taking another sip out of the mug. 

Confusion showed up in his expression and his eyebrows furrowed in it. “How did you?” She looked over the mug, the ceramic barely hiding a cheeky grin. Bruce laughed, he was suddenly remembered why his son liked her so much. The charm that she carried with her, the dry and sudden humor that she held. “Cameras?” He asked.

She shook her head and set down the mug, picking up a new napkin to start shredding. “Few of my visits when you didn’t know that I was here, I would walk by and catch you two.”  Bruce watched as the napkin started to be folded. “It’s sweet that you and Clark can get along but yet…” She let her indication hang in the air but he knew what she meant. 

Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent could get along, be confidents and be open with each other but Superman and Batman would rather kill each other than ever agree on anything. 

A small forced laugh came out of him, something that he had always been trained in doing, forgetting who he was sitting with but was quickly reminded of when she looked at him like he was stupid. She raised an eyebrow and scowled at him. “Force of habit?” She asked but he didn’t answer, only took a sip of his coffee. She already knew the answer what was the point of answering? 

Bruce leaned forward, the girl in front of him was playing with her napkin, it wasn’t anything that he found strange or weird. She had done that ever since he had first met her when Vic had brought her into the vigilante life for the first time. 

“You know, I could never truly figure out why you never held eye contact with me,” he said. 

The woman shrugged, keeping the napkin in one hand and grabbing her coffee cup in the other. “Shows too much and you’re a detective, you know this,” she said plainly, not noticing that Bruce had caught onto her leg twitch. Either a simple tick or nervousness, he was willing on betting that it was one of nerves. 

You see, Vic and Y/N work the same way or at least thought the same way. They both depend on facts, and play the long game sometimes to get them but when they talk it's facts, not fiction. But despite all of that, both know how to keep it all to themselves. I had thought about breaking into her hotel room, she would most likely have a folder with her information about Jason or documents that would tell me everything that I needed to know but the possibility of me understanding them would be low. 

So I had to play the long game with her, she would see the trap and get out. She would dodge every single possible answer that would lead to her being backed into a corner but I knew that if I got a simple glimpse of her eyes, if she caught my eyes, then the truth would come out. 

Though it seemed that she was planning on telling me anyways or small tidbits. 

“He doesn’t hate you,” she said, stirring her almost cold coffee with her spoon, taking another sugar packet, and dumping it in. Y/N had always hated coffee but drank it anyway to help her stay awake at night so a lot of sugar helped to calm down the bitterness of the coffee. 

Jason would be angry at her, for letting him know that his suspicions were correct but he was already so close to the truth that no matter how this night ended or how this conversation ended, he would leave with answers. 

“What?” He asked, his face was one of confusion but she could see that he understood. He understood what she was saying but he wouldn’t understand his actions. 

She brought the coffee up to her lips and took a sip of the sweet but still lingering bitter coffee. “When he lets you find him and trust me he will, keep this in mind.” She set down the cup and leaned forward, grabbing his hands to make sure that he fully listened. “He’s angry with–with everyone. Himself, you, Joker.” She looked down and sighed before looking him in the eyes for the first time that night. “Me. He’s angry but you need to understand that deep down, he still loves you. He still cares no matter how much he wishes otherwise and he just wants you to understand and wants to understand himself.” 

She let go of his hands and grabbed her wallet out of her bag, placing down enough to cover her coffee, knowing that Bruce would prefer to pay for his own. She slid out of the booth but as she slung her purse over her head she told him one last thing. 

“Bruce I want you to promise me something,” she said, looking at the plain beige wall of the cafe. 

“Yes?”

“Don’t let Joker win.” And with that, she left. 

When she left I realized something, while Y/N had known where he was, and what he was planning she had never stopped him. She had never made him stop his plans or his path of revenge. She didn’t feel like it was her place, she didn’t feel like it was her place to say anything about it. 

It was mine, my mistake, my fault, and my responsibility.

#jason todd x reader #jason todd #bruce wayne x reader #bruce wayne

[professor-doc-emeritus]

so I know after watchmen came out there was then a massive slew of other "deconstructions" or "genre critical" comics or just plain edgy stuff. i know you generally prefer the more optimist played straight stuff, but is there anything of that sort of thing that you really like?

There's a couple of directions you can go with this ask, so I'll give you an answer for each

if you're just looking for my personal favorite meta take on superheroes, you wanna check out flex mentallo

a fictional superhero imagined by a dying kid brought to life, this mini series by Morrison follows Flex's quest to solve the mystery of the death of his fellow fictional superhero The Fact. Morrison is one of the greatest comics writer alive, and this is their definitive statement on the genre, a deep and intimate look at how the platonic superheros of your childhood deal with a world of death, sex, and suicide. Dark, funny, meta, and mercifully short, if you read nothing else I recommend you read this. You'll finish it in an hour and think about it for the rest of your life.

If you want something less so meta and more so just a really well written and gritty 80s comic, check out denny o'neil and deny's cowan's run on The Question

This run follows the physical, psychological, and spiritual journey of journalist and vigilante Vic Sage as he struggles to bring justice to the deeply corrupt Hub City. It features a much more zen and spiritual take on the classic ditko character, and has a lot of great appearances from some underappreciated members of DC's stable. This run in particular is a must read for fans of Watchmen imo. It features the character that inspired Rorsarch, and actually has a few tongue in cheek references to him during the run. More than anything though, you should read it because it understands something most of Watchmen's successors didn't: Watchmen wasn't great because it was dark and gritty, it was great because it was a smartly written story with something interesting to say, and so is this run. If you've got some pocket change to spare, pick up the omnibuses that released last year. They published the absolutely essential letters columns that most digital uploads of the run neglect, wherein denny hosts a mini book club about the literature that inspired the run.

If you want a meta superhero story that's actually about watchmen, check out 2019's Peter Cannon Thunderbolt

Peter Cannon was a Charelston character that never really found a home. A medical man and captain of industry imbued with ancient tribal knowledge that gives him the powers of the supernatural, he served as the inspiration for Ozymandias. This story is explicitly and unsubtly addressing and rebuking Watchmen: the core conceit of the story is the original peter cannon confronting a universe-hopping ozymandias (for legal reasons her another Peter Cannon) constantly re-enacting his final plan from Watchmen on different universes until it works. Though not as much a visual force compared to the others on this list, what it lacks in raw technical skill it more than makes up for in creativity and enthusiasm. In order to rebuke a work you have to understand it, and ironically this explicit refutation of Watchmen still understands and respects it better than most of it's direct heirs by being about something. Though at times a bit too meta for it's own good, if you care about comics this is one you absolutely have to read

If you just want to kick back and watch Alan Moore twist the nipples off the genre in another work, I highly recommend checking out his work on superman

everyone and their mom has read, or at least been recommended, For the Man Who Has Everything and Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?, but not as many people know about Moore's third (and my personal favorite) outing with the man of steel: DC Comics Presents #85. A short team up (in the loosest sense of the word) between Superman and Swamp Thing, this story more than any other strips away the layers of myth and baggage around superman and exposes the raw psychological core beneath it. Very short, very simple, and probably not as good as his mircaleman run, but i have the benefit of having read this one so I can actually vouch for it's quality.

Finally, as you mentioned earlier, I tend to like reading more straightforward and optimistic stuff, especially when it comes to my capeshit. While some of the stories I've recommended here get quite dark, nothing really reaches the point of being 'edgy.' I haven't read, and thus can't recommend, the primo edgy content such as Preacher or The Authority (though I've heard good things!). But there is one mindlessly dark and edgy comic that I just can't help loving to death: the ever classic Marvel zombies

A beautiful example of a story that is exactly what it says on the tin: The marvel universe overrun by zombies. The only really original part of its take on the zombies is also the thing that makes it so much damn fun: they're all still intelligent, and basically themselves from before they turned, just with an insatiable and uncontrollable hunger for flesh. Gorey art, pitch black humor, and a lot of genuinely interesting and compelling story arcs you really couldn't do anywhere else, there's been about a trillion followups to it but I still love the original the best. It's not smart, it's not meta, it's not even a particularly good zombie apocalypse story, but it's fun, dammit, and that's a fair bit more than what most of the drivel that passes for good literature these days can say. best read when you're 12 years old and up way past your bedtime

#comics #watchmen #alan moore #this was a fun list to put together i should reread some of these #sorry it took me all day to respond rainy

[clay-cuttlefish]

We're getting back into the good shit now. Vic's back in action, Renee is written by Greg Rucka for the first time, Helena and Vic meet, Blue Beetle is here...

Azrael Plus The Question

Vic's been playing poker. Lots of opportunities to wander around and get into trouble while keeping him retired from heroing and from journalism, it works for him.

Oops All Daddy Issues.

I like how low key this is, despite everything. Vic and Jean-Paul are weird dudes with a lot of problems and that's on full display.

Green Lantern #81

Another cameo that's only notable because I have no clue why Vic would be here. He has literally never met Hal Jordan, how did he get an invite. He's even standing off to the back instead of sitting with everyone else.

The Question Returns

The river emissary is conceptually a lot better than any of the other supernatural takes on the Question. The idea that Vic's death in the river would make his conscience literally haunt him is interesting, and it being questionably supernatural is more to my taste. Making the river a magical harmonica-playing old black man was not a great choice though.

Vic describing Tot as "an ex-father figure" makes me want to implode.

"these auditory hallucinations are getting on my nerves" BIG mood.

Vic is a mess. He can't go home, he can't stay away, he's shifted from Vic Sage the hard-hitting journalist to Vic Sage the laid-back poker player but he hasn't been able to change the Question. This is why he takes up so much space in my brain.

Even after he left he still held on to his love for Myra and Hub City, and this is where he can't do it anymore. He will never see her again. Godddddddd.

Steel #38

I hadn't read this one before, and I'm glad I'm reading it now, because it's great. I gotta get into Steel eventually.

Vic declares himself teammates with John and then immediately splits up and gets his shit wrecked. Maybe let the guy with power armor protect you next time.

This wandering gambler era is fun, I wish it had lasted a little longer. There are so many interesting places Vic could pop up with poker incidents as an excuse, it's the perfect way to keep him around without him having anything specific going on.

A World for Burning (Tec #714-715)

Calling her a supporting character is maybe a stretch but she gets to talk to Martian Manhunter so I'm counting it.

A fun little mystery story.

Cataclysm

Vic interlude is over, time for events.

I like Cataclysm quite a bit. It's heavy on the cop shit and some of the issues are just not good, but I think the earthquake makes for a better citywide event than any of the "oh no it's the Joker" ones, and everyone involved really gets to shine.

Once again I am forced to admit I like when Cluemaster shows up. Steph saving her dad from Helena despite everything is a strong moment.

Random Encounters (Batman Chronicles #14)

OH NO. Ohhhh no. Strap in folks it's time for her to become a main character.

Renee talks to her brother about his guilt over killing when he was in the Navy, and she uses Two-Face's coin to make her point about randomness and how right and wrong aren't simple, which. Hhhhh.

Apparently she shot a guy who was trying to kill Two-Face, and got the coin in return.

Sorry but Renee flipping the coin and making decisions based on the outcome fucking annihilates me and I cannot BELIEVE I hadn't read this before now.

This isn't even a comic it's a short story. Eight pages of Rucka setting up the dominoes.

An Answer in the Rubble (Batman Chronicles #15)

VIC AND HELENA BABYYYY

Self-recognition through the other (annoying)

His anime hair???

I love them so much.

Road to No Man's Land

Sorry but the Bruce Wayne political drama is ridiculous even by my standards. Gotham would be the second-largest city in the US today, or one of the top 5 if the "7 million" is the city and surrounding area, you cannot tell me it would get totally cut off. Screwed by inadequate relief? Sure. Wiped off the map? Lol no.

Okay fine it's the devil. The devil did it. Comic books.

L.A.W.

We've been in Gotham long enough, time to go do Some Bullshit!

This is in continuity, but it ignores all of Vic's canon post-Charlton - he's a newscaster working with Nora from the Ditko run, Hub City is Ted's home city but not his, he's characterized pretty much how he was in Charlton and those few Blue Beetle crossovers post-Crisis... the other heroes seem a little more up-to-date but they're all still kind of janky.

Wow this does not do a good job making me care about any of these characters.

The plot is mostly racist and/or nonsense and most of it bounced right off my brain despite repeated readings.

Honestly I'm here for Ted more than Vic. He's going through it.

I do like the framing device of Vic writing his report in the final issue. The real treasure was the friends we made along the way.

#clayposts #clayreads #the question #vic sage #renee montoya

[fungi-maestro]

The Question #4 (1987)

#book club #the question #vic sage #dc comics #comics #myra connolly #myra fermin #one of my favorite scenes in the series #i think the points where vic grapples with murder are so important #you can see how much he's already grown since the 60s thing #even when he saved those guys earlier in this issue from burning to death in a room #his ENEMIES #ditko sage would have let them burn no doubt #it's just so fascinating seeing the change. and how it isn't an easy decision. #and then of course myra being amazing #we as the audience already know how much she cares about her child but at this point vic had some baggage to work through with it all #i dont think he blames her for doing that #anyway ummm comparing this to the first time he directly takes a life in the quarterlies. also to protect jackie. #he wants to see that girl grow up happy and loved and not in danger #i think he sees himself when he sees her in a way. especially with her temporarily living in the same orphanage he grew up in #and her fate..... :( well... yeag.

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Earth-64 | Brief List of the Bat Cauldron

Important Note: The following post consists of a listing of the Bat Cauldron how they are on Earth-64, a fan-made alternate Earth of the DC universe personally made by me.

THE WAYNE FAMILY

Bruce Wayne - Batman I

Selina Kyle - Catwoman I

Talia al'Ghul - Demoness

Dick Grayson - Robin I, Nightingale

Jason Todd - Robin II, Red Hood II, Redkite

Duke Thomas - Signal, Lark

Tim Drake - Stray, Robin III, Golden Aix

Cassandra Brown-Wayne: Orphan, Batgirl II, Black Bat, Batman II

Stephanie Brown-Wayne: Spoiler, Robin IV, Batgirl III, Starling

Damian Wayne-Wilkes: Robin V, Vireo

Collin Wilkes: Abuse, Sparrowhawk

Helena Sage-Wayne: Huntress

Victor 'Vic' Sage: Question II

Terry Wayne: Batmite

Athanasia Wayne: Hellhound

THE KANE FAMILY

Kate Kane - Batwoman I, Vampire Bat

Renee Montoya - Question I

Bette Kane - Goshawk

THE GORDON FAMILY

Jim Gordon - Commissioner Gordon

Barbara Gordon - Batgirl I, Oracle

Alysia Gordon - Honorary Batgirl

THE FOX FAMILY

Lucius Fox

Tanya Fox

Jace Fox - Flying Fox

Luke Fox - Honorary Batman, Batwing II

Tamara Fox - Lady Fox

Tiffany Fox - Batgirl IV (Retired)

THE EXTENDED BAT CAULDRON

Harleen Quinzel: Harley Quinn

Minhkhoa "Khoa" Khan: Ghost-Maker

David Zavimbe: Honorary Batman, Batwing I

Jean-Paul Valley: Honorary Batman, Azrael

Basil Karlo: Clayface (Retired)

Harper Row: Bluebird

Colin Row: Carrier, Oracle II

Mia Mizoguchi: Maps

Carrie Kelly: Robin VI, Oriole

Nell Little: Batgirl V

Claire Clover: Lady Gotham (Retired)

Hank Clover: Gotham (Deceased)

Onyx Adams: Onyx

THE NOTES

All characters listed have been canon characters in one way or another. Not all characters work primarily in Gotham, but have worked there at some point in time. This is to be updated as there are more characters to be added.

In the early years, the Bat Cauldron was fairly isolated from the other masks, which was one of the primary reasons Dick left Bruce. Despite starting the Titans, Dick was not told of the Nightwing and Flamebird story so when deciding a new identity Dick became Nightingale instead of Nightwing. Superman is still his favorite hero though.

The Robin and Batgirl mantles must be passed down from the previous Robin and Batgirl.

Due to the early death of the Joker, Duke Thomas' acquisition happened earlier than the comics. In the same vein, Jason's Red Hood era was a brief period in his life and he rejoins the Bat Cauldron as Redkite.

Due to Jason's death, Bruce refused to give Tim the mantle of Robin so Catwoman took him in as her first sidekick where he served as Stray. When Jason returned, he passed the Robin mantle to Tim who accepted it. Tim's time as Stray made him a bit more flirty than his canon counterpart, and he realized he was bi sooner.

Along with the tech Robin, Tim is known as the water Robin due to being unafraid to get into the toxic Gotham water. This contributed to his alias of Golden Aix, and Arthur Curry often jokes that Bruce stole an Atlantean.

Stephanie was active before Cassandra, but Cassandra was Batgirl before Stephanie. Cass passed her the Batgirl title because Cass was heading on a mission in Tokyo and it would be weird if Batgirl showed up there. That period of time made them realize their feelings for each other, and the first thing Cass did when she returned was confess her feelings.

In this universe, Bette Kane is the adopted daughter of Kate Kane and Renee Montoya.

Colin Row worked as a messenger for Oracle, and later becomes the second Oracle.

Carrie Kelly and Tiffany Fox were the first Robin and Batgirl under Cassandra's time as Batman. Tiffany would later give the mantle to Nell Little.

Terry is not the second Batman because I don't personally like the Batmam Beyond storyline, but he is still a hero under his big sister Cass!

I have some characters marked as Honorary Batmans because if I try to make some sense of that timeline my head will explode.

#dc au: earth 64