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sortasirius · 4 years

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What the Fuck Happened to the SPN Finale?

Okay so here it is, my Charlie Kelly style manifesto.

Before I get into it, I recognize that I will look like this to many of you, and that’s okay, I understand:

Secondly, your personal Takes about the writers don’t interest me, I don’t need to hear them. This, as I’ll explain, is going to remain a writer positive blog, and that’s the end of it.

Third, and most importantly: some of what I’m going to talk about is fact, and some is highly educated speculation. I will notate what is speculation, just so there’s no confusion or hot takes in my inbox that I’m a conspiracy theorist or stirring shit up for no reason.

A list of what I’ll be discussing

The episode in regards to the rest of the season

The episode issues: length, editing

Scene placement and speculation of scenes cut

The scrubbing of Jack, Cas, Eileen

Network involvement and general timeline of when things were cut

Misha: theories on where he was, official company line, why we can’t expect to hear anything directly

The silence of the cast post episode (in Misha’s case, mid episode) and what this might mean

Jensen speaking with Kripke about the ending: why it doesn’t mean what you might think (also why kripke remained positive on the ending)

Walker, and why this episode had a major shift

Why the network would do this or get involved

Why the writers of the show simply aren’t the bad guys here, and what I “want” out of this post, since I know it’ll get asked

This is very long and under a cut, but I hope you’ll give it a read.

The Episode In Regards to the Rest of the Season

So, I’ve discussed this already here, but it’s the most obvious thing to me, and that’s the way this episode simply doesn’t fit with the rest of the season.

These people in this room have, truly, been nothing but consistent when it comes to their arcs, especially this season, and the marked dropoff in quality for the finale episode is just too sus to discount to me. Dabb’s whole focus has been character-based. In his seasons, we’ve moved far away from MOTW and bro-codependency, the found family taking it’s place. Does it really sit right to anyone that that was all thrown away in literally the last episode of the entire show?

This is speculation on my part, but as a writer myself, there is no way I would be happy or willing to stamp my name on something that I didn’t think would, at the very least, wrap up the season+ character arcs that I and my team had been crafting.

And before anyone comes in here saying, “well GOT did that!” Bruh. The writing was on the wall for GOT long before the final episode. You could tell that the showrunners just wanted to be done (not only from the plot, but from the fact that they lobbied for a shorter season). Miss me with that, it doesn’t apply here. Andrew has, besides Singer and J2, been with the show longer than anyone. He cares, he is meticulous and detailed, and this ending feels worse than anything Bucklemming has ever written, let alone Dabb.

Additionally, I’ve seen a lot of people say that Dabb was never behind Destiel, that it was all Bobo and Meredith and no one else. That is reductive to the point of insult of the work Dabb has done to get this greenlit. This man did not write the s13 Dean grief arc to be slandered like this. That being said, YES, Bobo and Meredith were the leads on the DeanCas arc this season, but ANDREW IS THE SHOWRUNNER, TO GET EVEN THE CONFESSION APPROVED BY THE NETWORK HE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THEIR BACKS. AND HE DID.

Finale Issues

So, now that we’ve gotten the fact that this episode doesn’t hit on any of the major themes the show was barrelling towards all season, let’s discuss the fact that the episode is just...weird.

Not only is it shorter than any other episode (I think with the intro and the credits/crew thing at the end, it was around 38 mins), but it was also...idk, 90% filler?

One of the lovely humans in the POLOL server did the legwork here, and broke it down:

This is weird, y’all. Most series finales are LONGER than normal (Lost, SOA, Longmire are the ones I can think of off the top of my head), and for the final episode to be this? I saw more than one person point out that we only really needed 19 episodes, what was the point of 20? AND THAT’S EXACTLY IT? WHAT WAS THE POINT OF THIS FINAL EPISODE IF THIS WAS ALL WE WERE SUPPOSED TO GET?

It simply doesn’t make any sense, the first half of the episode was rushed, a final monster hunt gone wrong, but in the second half? Nothing really happened? Sam lived his entire life and Dean just drove around. It doesn’t make sense to have all the emotional arcs left unaddressed in an episode that definitely needed some kind of spark.

Here’s the speculation I have: the episode seemingly went through a lot of changes between the initial inception of the final season and when we actually got it, but I think it would have been passable (as in, we wouldn’t be sitting here asking each other why each arc feels incomplete) until the editing room got ahold of it. The only think that makes this episode make sense is network fuckery. Truly, that is the only thing. It explains the weird, cuts, the rushed pacing of the first half followed by nothing in the second half, the double montages of “Wayward Son” back to back, and Dean just...driving around for the last half of the episode.

Scene Placement and Speculation of Scenes Cut

Before I get into this section, the info of the shots in the episode I have come from a source that @occamshipper got a week or so before the finale. She’s talked about this here.

So here’s what Min was given:

1-5: 1 INT MEN OF LETTERS – DEAN’S ROOM Dean is greeted by Miracle

6-10: 6 INT MEN OF LETTERS – HALLWAY/SAM’S ROOM Sam has his routine

D1 1 11-15: 15 EXT FARM HOUSE Establishing

N1 1/8 16-20: 19 Dad’s journal, marker, drawing of masked man in journal.

21-25: 23 INT IMPALA – PMP Driver picks the music

N2 1 3/8 1,2 26-30: 28pt2 INT BARN: A face from the past

28pt3 Sam and Dean say goodbye

28pt4 Shot early for technical reasons, presumably the overhead shot

N2 31-45: 41 INT MEN OF LETTERS – SAM’S ROOM Sam’s alarm goes off D4 1/8 1 46-60: 56 INT N7glasses for Sam, laptop.

So...it all fits right? It all tracks with the actual episode, where it lands, etc. The issue is between shots 29-40 which were apparently “too big to spoil.” Uh. Where are they? And where’s 28 pt4?

After Dean dies, the next scene is Sam burning him, then shot 31, the shot of his alarm going off.

So. Where are those 11ish shots?

PLUS we have the boards, which are scenes we KNOW were actually shot:

As well as scenes for 20 that were shot in 19.

It’s just...weird, it’s weird and again hits on the fact that the episode is so short and like 80% montage.

The Scrubbing of Jack, Cas, and Eileen

So now we have to reckon with the fact that Eileen was last mentioned by Sam after she got snapped by Chuck, Jack’s last mention is that he’s off being God somewhere, and Cas’ last mention is a ~knowing look~ between Dean and Bobby.

I’m sorry, make it make sense:

???????? That’s the end if it? They don’t need to be discussed after this??? It’s just simply not something a writer would do, they would not introduce these characters, these arcs, without thinking there’s going to be some kind of follow through here.

So not only were three major characters (including two leads and both of the original characters’ love interests) completely wiped from the finale episode, it was as though Sam and Dean never even needed them, which just...ain’t it.

So why Eileen and Jack too? Why not just take Cas out of it if they were afraid of the gay? Because, ultimately, the episode went back to Kripke’s original story: just the bros, they only need each other and no one else. They don’t want anyone else, they don’t need anyone else. Easier to go back to something they knew was successful than trust the writers and their audience and take a big leap.

Alex even said he shot for 20 with “some of the guys” here. What happened to that footage?

The complete 180 of it all still shocks me, I still cannot believe that we were essentially at the finish line, and the network just stopped short, and decided to go run another race, at the expense of the arc of this fifteen year legacy show.

Network Involvement and When Things Were Cut

Okay, now into the juicy stuff.

So I’ve pretty well established that network fuckery is clear, but how much did they get involved, what was the original intent?

Well again, we may never actually know what Andrew’s original script was, but I think, at the least, it would involve Dean speaking his truth to Cas and Sam living a life with Eileen.

Now, it seems today, that Misha said that Jimmy Novak was supposed to be in the finale in one iteration of the script, and while initially my brain was like “that truly makes no sense and he’s either straight up lying or telling a half truth,” I think what may be happening is Misha talking about as much as he can right now.

So Jimmy right. Weird as fuck. Why would he been in the Roadhouse and not Cas? My current thought (this is about as reachy as I’ll get) is that Jimmy had no lines, could he have been in the Roadhouse as a red herring, like it said “Jimmy” in the script but it was just Cas in human clothes, a way to get around the network saying Cas couldn’t be in the final scene. Also, you’ll notice that Misha didn’t say that Cas wasn’t supposed to be in the ep at all, just Jimmy in the last scene.

All this to say, there have clearly been multiple versions of the script, getting lighter and lighter with Cas and Eileen as the network pulled further and further back. Remember, Dabb has to get things approved before they get shot, and if the network kept asking and asking and asking to cut Cas and Eileen, he had to find a way to work around it. Granted, I still think that if we had been able to get a Dabb script that wasn’t torn to shreds in editing, it wouldn’t be so bad. It may not be what a lot of us wanted (Dean speaking his truth to Cas and a reciprocation), but doing everything he could to give it to us in subtext or visual clues.

Plus, in all honesty, my man can’t keep his story straight anyway. He said twice in his panel that the Empty and offscreen Heaven ending weren’t his original ending either.

In addition, remember that Jensen did ADR post episode 18, AND said in a meet and greet last weekend that Dean’s reaction to Cas’ confession was “cut down.” (Source here). Many of us clowns got excited when we first heard about ADR, because we thought it would be upping the ante on Dean’s reaction, but I remember being a little sus when it was just crying. My speculation on that is that they cut out Dean actually SAYING something, @winchestersingerautorepair spoke about that here.

The biggest sins were, in my opinion, committed during editing, where the network got too gun shy and sliced the episode until it was nothing but a heartless bro-fest of a finale, not mentioning anything about the other major characters that we all love, and letting the boys just suffer in separation until Sam died and finally joined Dean in Heaven. The editing came by cutting all the major emotional beats between anyone other than Dean and Sam, leaving the skeleton of the story intact, just shorter and less...poignant than it was ever supposed to be.

Misha

We know Misha was in Vancouver, we know he quarantined, but we also know he wasn’t in the final scene, when he spoke about being in the last moment of the show months ago. We were not crazy, he was there, he quarantined, and, in all likelihood (speculation but fitting with the timeline), he actually may have shot something (not much, but something).

I have sources here, here, here, and here showing where Misha was at that time.

Remember, the man was completely open about coming back until they finished shooting (look at this thread). The switch happened, just like everything else, halfway through them shooting.

Please also remember Jake Abel posting his “Where’s Misha” video here. Jake isn’t malicious, he isn’t being nasty here. Misha was there, and everyone that’s trying to convince people he’s wasn’t just...isn’t telling the truth about it.

This is one of the things that makes me really mad, because they’re literally attempting to gaslight people into thinking, “oh we were totally wrong he was never supposed to be there” WHEN HE WAS THERE, WE KNOW HE WAS THERE.

So we’ve already heard from several people (Meghan Fitzmartin, Jay, a PA on the set of 19 (WHO WAS NOT WORKING FOR 20), Misha himself) that this was all down to Covid restrictions. Ultimately, as this post says, we’ve heard FIVE versions of where Misha was. None of it makes sense, but the Covid protocol seems to be the company line that others are repeating.

You may ask: why? Why lie to all of us when we have questions? Why, in Jay’s case, say that we’re all spreading false lies to stir up trouble, when we just have questions and things that do not make sense. Simply? Warner Brothers is absolutely massive. These people have their careers to protect and are likely all under NDAs. They want to work for WB again and don’t want to burn bridges, including Misha. It sucks, but that’s why it’s unlikely that we’ll hear someone come out and say, “yeah we’re lying to you.”

Silence of the Cast Post Episode

So this is...probably the worst part of all this, at least in my opinion.

The guys had all been pretty excited about the end of the show (especially Jared, but Jensen’s panel last week was Jensen as happy and jokey and positive as I’ve ever seen him. He was so excited about episode 18, about what it meant for Dean and for Cas, and I just cannot buy that he would have been that excited unless he thought there was something more in the episode.

Misha live-tweeted the episode, and was watching it with his kids. It’s well known that Misha and the kids don’t watch the show because it’s too scary, and let’s ask ourselves, why would he have them watch an episode that he’s barely even mentioned in?

He also stopped live-tweeting at a very specific point in the episode (Dean’s death) and has not mentioned Supernatural since then.

None of them, not Jared, Jensen, Misha, or even Alex, said anything about the episode for nearly 36 hours, when Jensen posted a salty photo on instagram. It’s just...not what you’d expect for the end of a 15 year show, when the cast and crew are so close to the fans, so close to each other.

My theory? They didn’t know. They thought Misha was, at least, going to be in the episode in some way, and when he wasn’t, they decided not to say anything.

You really think that Jensen “Heller” Ackles would have been so excited about the end of the show last week if he thought Cas wasn’t going to be in it at all? Nah son, doesn’t make any sense.

Even today, in Jared and Misha’s panels, they seemed sad and...more than a little careful, both saying that there were things they couldn’t say, both talking around things that we all have questions on.

Jensen Speaking with Kripke

So this is where a lot of people are getting fodder to take shots at the writers, saying that Jensen hated it from the beginning, but I don’t think so. I actually think I know what Jensen went to him about, and it wasn’t the lack of Cas or the weird pacing or the montages (which I don’t think were there when Jensen got the script); I think it was the manner of Dean’s death.

I know a lot of people were upset about that, upset with how...normal it was, coming off an episode where they literally beat God. I actually didn’t mind it, I thought it was an interesting thematic take to be like: you can be a hero all your life, but sometimes shit happens, and you just die.

But imagine how hard that was for Jensen to read. He would run to Kripke for that, because for him, Dean dying by being impaled by a piece of rebar had to be tough to swallow.

So, why didn’t Kripke say that? Why didn’t he say, “oh well he had a problem with Dean’s death, none of that other stuff was in the script.”

Guys. Why would he get involved? He’s not going to burn bridges any more than anyone else is. He said the ending was good because it’s the easy thing to do, it’s simple, will cause him no problems in his career, and he can just ignore the people trying to engage with him on it.

Walker

Something else to talk about is the major shift this episode had from the rest of the season: the shift from Dean to Sam. I am NOT saying that Sam isn’t important, he definitely, absolutely is, but it was DEAN who really needed to wrap up his arc, Sam just needed to move on, get married to Eileen, become the leader he was always meant to. So what changed? What was with the shirtless scene, the Austin number and random case there, most of the episode being heavily Sam focused, going through his entire life in a montage?

Anyone else notice the 375 Walker promos, or Jared’s little spiel about Walker and how he hoped SPN fans would “come along for the ride.”

It’s...kinda obvious? CW wanted to appeal to who they think the key demographic of SPN and Walker is: rural areas in the South. It would explain a lot, why so much editing, why so Sam focused, the Austin number, the number of Walker promos, all of it.

I’m not saying this is fact, I don’t know that it is, but it is a little suspicious that even in Jared’s panel today, he talked A LOT about Walker and how he hopes SPN fans will watch it.

Why Would the Network Get Involved?

Simply put: $$$

If they think Walker can be the new SPN, and that those crazy SPN fans liked it originally, it’s a lot safer to go with the “original intent” of the show than do something risky (like making one of your two original leads queer).

And? They don’t care. They don’t care that the episode didn’t make sense, they don’t care that all the emotional arcs were left hanging, they don’t care by (potentially) smashing together two of Dean’s monologues (one to Sam, one to Cas) that it came of as...gross. ( @curioussubjects wrote a beautiful post showing how part of that death speech was likely meant for Dean here). They don’t care, they never have, they just want to make their money and move on from the too-loud fandom that fought for representation too hard for too long.

It can’t help but feel insidious, which, honestly, it might be, but it really all comes down to the next cash cow, which, they think, is Walker, even at the cost of the fifteen year legacy show.

The Writers and What I Want

So here it is, all this weird, sus shit laid out on the line. And you know what? To me, there is no way to blame the writers, because they didn’t want this.

I don’t think Dabb and Bobo would have gone ahead with the confession in 18 without thinking that there would be some closure to that arc, they wouldn’t have done that not only to the fans, but for the sake of their own story as well: no writer wants to start something that they can’t finish. (And this applies to both Cas and Eileen).

Here’s a basic rundown of what I think happened: they had a clear arc from 18-20, ending in reciprocation at some level from Dean, Sam marrying Eileen, Hunter Sam as the new Bobby, Dean in heaven with Cas and big roadhouse reunion at the end. Covid prevented a good amount of that. Network had to stare at big gay 18 for six months, got cold feet. Thought about Walker, target audience and alienation of the rural areas if it went full gay. Misha quarantined and likely shot something (not much), he was then cut by execs and went home. They likely added in lines referencing Eileen and Cas to make it clear but more subtextual. They wrap, editing gets it and hacks it to pieces, so we get a shorter episode that’s mostly montages and jarringly bro-centric with nothing else. Arcs are left hanging. Dabb gets episode but it’s too late, there’s nothing he can do. Actors aren’t told so they can continue to do positive PR for the ending, they all found out at the same time we did: hence almost complete silence about the finale.

And you know what? They warned us. I talked about it here, but they’ve been telling us all season that Chuck wasn’t the writer, he’s the network. I don’t think, still, that they thought it would be cut up like this, into something so unsalvageable that it’s been panned by almost everyone, even people who didn’t care much about Dean and Cas.

Finally, a masterpiece can be ruined by editing, and while I’m not sure even the script they ended up shooting on was a masterpiece (due to the network meddling already), but to me it’s blatantly obvious that it’s no one but the network that caused this, that took away closure for Dean, Cas, and even Sam.

So what do I want? Nothing really, there’s nothing we can do, but I wrote this mostly to show people that the writers are not your enemy. In fact, to the people trashing them? You’re doing exactly what the CW wants you to: blame the obvious targets, blame Misha, blame Jensen and Jared, blame Dabb. Scream and yell at them on Twitter and about how the show is ruined because of them. The network keeps their engagement levels high, they don’t get as targeted for their behavior, and just keep moving along.

Just, please, think about who did this, Mourn the show, be angry, but not at the people who fought tooth and nail for this for literal years, not the people who wanted it more than we did, not the people who cannot say anything because of their careers and the NDAs they’re bound by.

Someone is going to spill eventually, but until then, we just have to wait, and continue to be loud.

#my writing #my meta #supernatural #spn #spn finale trash fire #MY MANIFESTO IS DONE

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Wilbur/Tommy/Quackity Lore

This is a tad late but it was very good and I love c!Wilbur so much man.

Wilbur meets Tommy in L’manhole where Tommy shows him all the stone he got. Wilbur tells Tommy that he forgot he asked Tommy to do that but has a new mission for them.

Wilbur found the book Quackity left him and wants to go see him in Las Nevadas. On the way there Wilbur sees Purpleds blown up UFO and describes exactly how the TNT would have been set up to make it blow up that way and how there are still half slabs there because they are more resistant than normal blocks.

The two make their way to Las NEvadas and meet Quackity where Wilbur asks Quackity if he can join (as he assumed the book Quackity left him was an invitation). Quackity declines saying that he knows what Wilbur did to L’manberg and he won’t allow that to happen to Las Nevadas. Wilbur is surprised and tries to convince Quackity saying that he has changed, he doesn’t lie anymore, he doesn’t even remember anything about TNT (which is a lie, see Purpleds UFO conversation), he tells Quackity that he knows things that could help, he’s run nations, he’s won elections but Quackity continues to turn him down.

Quackity tells Tommy he would love to discuss him joining the county but that Wilbur’s ‘services’ are not needed at the time.

Wilbur runs around asking what part of the land actually belongs to him. Wilbur eventually finds an area directly beside Las Nevadas that Quackity refuses to say if it is his or not, dodging the question.

Wilbur asks Tommy how much of the stone he has on him. Quackity and Tommy have a quick side conversation about Tommy stone mining prowess as Wilbur walks off and begins mining a tree saying he's “getting to work” when they question him.

Wilbur tells Quackity that it was lovely to see his nation and tells him that there's no point to capitalism without some healthy competition (aka Wilbur is gonna build a similar country right next to Las Nevadas).

Throughout the conversations with Big Q Wilbur consistently tells Tommy to get beside him.

Wilbur runs over to a section of beach and builds a little platform out of stone proclaiming it their new headquarters.

Quackity is offended but not comp[l;etley surprised, he seems to welcome the competition that WIlbur will bring. Even congratulating Wilbur, though in an underhanded way.

Tommy tells WIlbur that he doesn't want to start a country, that he want to go to Las Nevadas with Big Q but Wilbur brushes him off, saying they will talk about it later.

Quckity stops Wilbur saying that he should listen to Tommy and take his opinions into consideration as he talks over Tommy himself.

“You’re not listening to me, you’re speaking over my...”-Tommy

Quackity pulls Tommy over into a conversation.

“I have utter faith that Tommy will make the right decision”- Wilbur

Wilbur turns his back (still listening in the VC) and Quackity and Tommy chat.

Tommy asks Quackity about his eye and Quackity asks him if he has ever heard about the butcher army. Tommy says yes, but he’s just aware of the name. Quackity explains that he got it when they went to kill Techno. Tommy asks where he was at this point. “Cause if this was when I was in exile you’re meaning to tell me you out in all the effort to kill Techno instead of helping me? You know I needed help and no one came to see me”- Tommy

During this conversation Wilbur stays where he left them, making a few tools.

Quackity defends himself by saying that so many things happened when he was in exile and that he would love to sit down and discuss everything with Tommy later. From there he offers to haveTommy run the restaurants in the country.

At this point Wilbur messages Tommy asking if they’re done yet to which Tommy replies that Quackity is telling him about ‘scran’. Wilbur says that they have work to do and Tommy asks what he means by that.

Wilbur calls out, saying that they’ve had long enough, asking if they’re coming out.

Quackity makes sure that Tommy understands that he is allowed to join but WIlbur is not. Tommy asks for some space as he runs back over to Wilbur who questions Big Q “What are you doing to him?” then messages Tommy “is he going to hurt you?”.

Tommy replies “Dunno. I can take care of whatever”

At this Wilbur says that he’s coming over, running past Tommy and asking where Quackity is.

Wilbur tells Tommy that he heard the conversation between him and Quackity and asks him if he really believes what Quacktiy said to him. Wilbur says that if he joining with Quackity yes he will have a job but...it would be boring. “I’m not gonna stop you man but...you’re all I’ve got.”- Wilbur

Wilbur says that Jack is too busy with the hotel and Phil has got some new opinions regarding authority that he’s not thrilled about.

Wilbur says that he doesn’t want to make a country, he wants to make an HQ where they can be safe for once.

Wilbur tells Tommy that he deserves some safety and a sanctuary and he won't be able to get that in a casino, they’re all plastic and fake, the thing that has true security is family, blood.

Tommy says that he doesn’t want to make his mind up now but Will pressure him to make a decision. “Tommy I love a challenge, this is exciting.”- Wilbur

Wilbur says that this side of the river has safety. “If you chose Las Nevadas I’d never hurt you, I’d never want anything bad for you just know what you’ll be doing to me.”- Wilbur

Tommy tells Wilbur that he does want a place to feel safe, that he has been putting revenge first for too long (“I betrayed Technoblade and I just couldn’t admit it and I did the wrong thing with Tubbo. I can’t go against family anymore”- Tommy).

Tommy decides to stay with Wilbur.

Wilbur and Tommy decide to make a giant penis in the lake between their two areas.

Wilbur and Quackity begging to yell at each other all the bad things they have done to try and convince Tommy who he should join until Wilbur mentions the pit.

“Remember the pit Tommy, don’t trust people who would have fought you in the pit.”- Wilbur. Throughout this exchange Tommy is silent.

Quackity tells Tommy to remember, as he is building this new place with Wilbur, what happened to the last country they built together.

In their conversations Wilbur makes sure that where he is standing is taller than Quackity.

“He is my yang”- Wilbur

“Tommy you aren’t smiling...we won!”- Wilbur

Quackity comes over to where Tommy is standing and Wilbur runs to him, sword drawn telling him not to come towards Tommy. “Let me speak!”- Tommy

“I just don’t want him to hurt you”- Wilbur

“I can fend for myself you weren't here for a long time”- Tommy

Tommy says that they said they were gonna make him feel safe and he doesn’t. “That was weird, don’t do that”- Tommy. Wilbur says that he won't do it again but Quackity will.

Quackity apologizes, saying that this was unkind and offers them a tour.

Wilbur says that in the future that despite his and Quackity’s differences they will keep Tommy out of it. They begin the tour.

Aa they go along Wilbur tells Tommy that he takes back what he said, that he would be okay with Tommy working here as long as he still came to hang out with Wilbur.

They go over to use one of the gambling machines. Tommy loses Linda to the machine;

They head up the top of the tower. (A replica of The STRAT hotel in vegas. Just a tall tower. Kinda like the Seattle space needle.) Tommy mentions that this would be a good place to just jump off and end it all, causing Wilbur to freak out and tell him to get away from the edge.

Quackity and Wilbur go inside to find a place to sit and Quackity asks Wilbur how he is alive and Wilbur tells Quackity that he was swapped with Ghostbur.

They go to Tommy inside but he has fallen slightly down. Wilbur uses a water bucket to help him up “I’ve always got you Tommy” and they head inside to talk. Quackity says that he wants to pick Wilburs brain aging, just like the conversation after the debates. Wilbur says that he has lost everything but he wants to improve from his past mistakes.

Quackty asks who he’s seen since coming back.

Jack, Phil, Ranboo, Tommy, Quackity.

Wilbur says that there are more people he wishes he could see to tell them he;s alive and that he’s sorry.

Quackity asks what Wilburs plans for the future is, mentioning that Tommy doesn't have to make a choice in his place yet.

Tommy interjects talking about how easy it would be to live in Las Nevadas but that it would be too relaxed, he doesn’t want to sit and run a food stand “Wilbur get’s things done.”

Quackity says he respects Toimmy’s decision but he wants him to know that this is not L’manberg, this is something else.

Wilbur goes into full facecam and types something out.

Tommy says that he still wants to be around Las Nevadas, just doesn;t want to be involved in the contracts and such.

Quackity once again asks about the revival. Wilbur says that Dream brought him back, Tommy interrupts saying that Dream didn’t just bring Wilbur back, he killed Ghostbur. Wilbur says that Dream is one of the people he wants to thank, “he saved me, he’s my hero.”

Quackity asks when this happened and Wilbur says that Ghostbur has been in limbo for almost three years, that every day is a month there.

Quackity quietly says that this must have been after his visit he then tells Wilbur outwardly that he has been visiting Dream. “He must love that!”- Wilbur

Tommy tells Wilbur that the prison is where he died, that Dream killed him to prove a point. Wilburt tells Quackity that eh needs to find Dream as Quackity informs them that the security measures on Dream have been increased

[at the same time]

“Sam's a fuckhead.”- Tommy

“There’s a warden?”- Wilbur

Quackity explains how you get to see Dream and seems surprised that TOmmy didn’t tell Wilbur.

“You’ve been going to torture the shit out of [Dream] I’ve heard.”- Tommy to Quackity

Quacity asks how Tommy knows about this.

Wilbur asks if going through the visitation was how he was resurrected. Wilbur then tells Quakcity that it has been lovely but he has to go, “I have work to do”.

Wilbur begins to run off so that he can go to the prison to thank Dream. Tommy tells him that he can’t do that.

“If you don’t want me to visit Dream, genuinely, I won’t, but you gotta let me.”- Wilbur.

Wilbur tries to convince Tommy by saying that this is just him tying off loose ends, but Tommy knows what happened when you try and see Dream ‘for the last time’.

Wilbur says that they will talk next time.

“What could go wrong in a prison.” (Wilbur ends stream)

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