#and i love cbeeduo /p just as much

[productofaritual]

If I got a nickel for every "platonic marriage for tax benefits besties" duo that I fell in love with, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but God dammit look at them and their QPRs I can't they're precious

#PLATONIC RADIOROSE FOR THE. FUCKING. WIN #I TAKE NO CRITICISM #THRY ARE MY EVERYTHING #and i love cbeeduo /p just as much #they are also my everything #qpr positivity #platonic relationships #hazbin alastor #hazbin rosie #hazbin hotel #dsmp #dsmp ranboo #dsmp tubbo #cbeeduo #i am well aware that platonic marriage radiorose is a headcanon at best #but also #i dont care #i love it #its a headcanon #because its canon #in my head

[griancraft]

I disagree with the take as to why people don't like /r, it's not cause they can't sexualized the characters but moreso a misunderstanding of the boundaries of tubbo and ranboo, people see the "I don't want to be shipped" and take it to mean that it applies to them AND their characters, wiki not helping

I’ve already addressed this. Yes, that plays a part. But it’s not the only thing taking place when it comes to this. The fetishization of mlm relationships and the idea that all mlm relationships must be sexual plays a part in how people view /r cbeeduo in tandem with boundaries. I’ve noticed that even when a fic is labeled and very much written /p people will take moments of tenderness between the two characters and make it into a big deal. This is because expressions of affection and love between two male characters are seen as gay or having sexual undertones.

Cbeeduo and AUs of the characters often have them declaring fondness for each other and being close. Time and time again people accuse these fics of being boundary breaking. Would it be seen this way if the characters filled the “roles” that people set aside for men in gay relationships in fandom? I don’t know. I just know that the fact they don’t fit those roles plays a part in how people who aren’t queer and don’t have experience with queer love view them. My post was about how the intersection between over sexualization and “assigning of roles” to mlm ships and the lack of it. How the sexualization and fetishization of gay ships affects how fandom tends to view them.

When we think about ships, men with a power dynamic are demonstrably more likely to be shipped with each other in fandom (generally) than their non power dynamic conforming peers. Look at fucking. What is it. Kylux or whatever. People ship them to hell and back because they have a power dynamic that seems hot to them. Finnpoe is less shipped because they meet at the same level. This is an example that comes to mind because they are in the same universe. I can think of so, so many more.

How does this play into cbeeduo? They don’t have that power dynamic. This makes them more similar to actual queer relationships, yes. but it also opens them up to people projecting internalized, or just general homophobia onto the relationship.

Our pre conceived notions of men and how they should be play into how we view ships. My post was definitely not as clear as it should have been on this. However to claim that fetishization and sexualization does not play at least a small part in all of this is wrong.

I don’t care if people see them as /p. No where in the post did I every say that /p folks are bad! All I said was that people who are not willing to let /r cbeeduo fans exist.

I’m not calling anyone out for liking /p cbeeduo. I’m calling out the people who are taking it a step too far and harass people who either ship them or “write them too close.” Last year it seemed like every other month some big fic author was being harassed for like. Something inconsequential.

Sorry if I came off aggressive here, that is not my intention.

#discourse