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#anti edelbert
gascon-en-exil · 2 years
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A while back I had asked you about Monica. You said that you think she was just intended to be a joke character, not too much depth or taken too seriously. Since then, I have seen a number of takes about Monica. Some think she's as bad as Tharja/Faye. Some think she's obsessive/stalker. Some think she's harmless. Some think she's cute with Edelgard. And some think Monica haters are just anti lesbians and have no other reason to dislike her. Do you feel any different about Monica now? (1/2)
Also re: Monica, I heard someone say that her obsession with Edelgard is no different than Dedue and Dimitri, Catherine and Rhea, or Hubert and Edelgard. But I very much disagree. Dedue, Catherine and Hubert all stand out as characters for themselves. They shouldn't be reduced to simply an obsessive character and they're certainly not stalkers. I was wondering if maybe you might be able to explain what makes those Lord and retainers have a different feel than with Monica and Edelgard. (2/2)
I've seen various opinions on her as well, but my own hasn't changed much. I still dislike how much her attraction to Edelgard (and Dorothea) is used for uncomfortable humor, and that the writing avoids potentially interesting areas for relationship development - particularly in Monica's non-reaction to Edelgard telling her that she'd been willing to let Monica die if it had been more convenient - because they might appear to be too critical of Edelgard. It reminds me of Byleth having only sympathetic dialogue options when asked about Edelgard in SS/VW, or the conversations some mutuals have been having about how Claude is criticized in GW 's writing for some of the same things that Edelgard does (without criticism) in CF.
The comparison to those other characters doesn't hold up, because I can't think of a single time when their devotion is played for laughs. Even the most popular Dimidue meme is about Dimitri's strange eating habits, and not Dedue being overbearing. Monica does have moments where she feels less one-dimensional, namely her paralogue with Bernadetta and her appearance in Part 2 of AG, but those moments aren't integrated well with the rest of her character. Monigard (is that the ship name?) also has an uneven energy, in contrast to the cold professionalism of Edelbert or the mutually codependent passion of Dimidue, which makes it much harder to gauge how much Edelgard really cares about Monica. (Of course, then comes in the meta understanding of how Edelgard has always been written to have only one true love: the player-as-Byleth....)
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fellhellion · 3 years
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Hi! I was wondering if you’ve said before about why you don’t like shipping Edelbert romantically? (Sorry, I’m on mobile so it’s more difficult to search through..!) 💜
i dont tag it w the ship name since i dont want it to accidentally pop into the tags, cause yknow its an asshole move to shippers, which is probably why u cant find anything but i think i only mentioned it once in a post about why dimitri/dedue is also something that i just don’t personally vibe w. 
And to give the usual speeches, no this isn’t me bringing down the almighty Problematique <3 Condemnation hammer from above onto shippers. I won’t interact w ship content of it because i dont want to be an ass and tag something in a way they didn’t intend and I blacklist the tag so i can avoid any content of it but the reasons i list here arent like. me trying to make a dig at those who do see their relationship that way. I just disagree w their reading and because the ship evokes a strong, negative emotional response in me, I take steps to avoid it for my own comfort. 
Couple of reasons to ur Q tho:
- I just like them being friends better because personal taste. I really dislike the trope of male advisor seceretly in love w his leige and their relationship is just, for me personally, far more compelling and moving when it doesn’t have those implications, since it then focuses just on their shared ideals and friendship. 
- The unhealthy aspects to their relationship (the all encompassing devotion to the detriment of self) while extremely facinating to see and explore, are things that I personally want them to grow from in a space where they have a healthier emotional distance from one another and the opportunity to invest in relationships outside of one another. That’s not to say a friendship couldn’t reproduce the same problems, but the additional dimension of romance with that problem just. Makes me feel uncomfortable personally.
- I personally hc as being more akin to family with one another than having romantic interest in one another. Gay best friends who platonically murder for one another <3 
- i dont know WHY but the power imbalance makes me feel rlly uncomfortable. yes go on clown me for liking nbc hannibal but feeling too uncomfortable w this and dimitri/dedue but thats the way the wind blows fkjhsdkjf I can TELL it’s just a personal reaction on my part but it is what it is yknow.
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looseinthecatroom · 3 years
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Didn’t want to put this on the original post because the OP apparently ships edelbert enough to write a comic for a trade about it, (no shade, y’all do you) but I can’t get over how the only non-tag reply on the whole ass comic is someone saying that they don’t know who tf these characters are, but they’re so beautiful, so gay, and so angsty and I just
Those two nerds so fucking gay that even when an artist is trying to be shippy people who don’t know jack about them are coming in like “looks at these relatable gay fucking nerds. D’= D’=” and personally I think that’s beautiful.
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fellhellion · 3 years
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personally i don't see edelbert as romantic because they're both gay
fsdhfjkshdkjf THERES ALSO THAT. like i didnt add it to the post because it was already too fucking long but i just. don’t read edelgard as bisexual and im saying this as someone who IS bisexual.
also if this is popping up in the ship tag someone pls tell me and ill add the anti ship tag for blacklisting purposes. dont want to spam the tag w my dislike unintentionally. 
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