#kpoppies are just weak

[sanstropfremir]

So I’ve seen styling criticism of New Jeans floating around Stan twitter of late, and was curious what your thoughts are since I don’t particularly trust twitter 😅

Essentially, the internet seems to not love their outfits from Kcon japan and from I believe the fact music awards? Whatever recent awards show they went to.

To be fair, the outfits are a statement, and aren’t in line with what anyone else is currently wearing so I can see why people have feelings on them. But personally, while I wouldn’t wear them myself, I kind of love them? I think young people today who didn’t live through the so called Y2K era don’t realize just how insane and unflattering so much of the fashion was. It was like kitsch threw up everywhere sometimes, and bigger and more obvious was always better. So honestly, I kind of think that, among kpop styling, these outfits are truer to the early 00s than most of the other popular stuff. But I recognize that the trend these days is to be “aesthetic”, probably since everything ends up online for immediate and widespread consumption in a way that wasn’t possible 20 years ago, so real 00s stuff is never gonna fit that aesthetic mold.

That’s my theory at least, but I’m curious what your thoughts are!

..................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................why are people mad at these. this is literally just what teenagers wore in 2005. well i know why people are mad at these and that's because they're all young adults who have never known a world where things were imperfect and weird because we weren't living under the panopticon of social media watching our every move. i was literally just talking to someone about how i used to cut thumbholes in all of my sweater sleeves in middle school and for like probably three or four years i wore like ten non-matching necklaces at all times. the real y2k was ugly as hell and we should be going back to that! everything now is so aestheticized and optimized for being the most attractive and it all has to be packaged perfectly for getting the most likes on these apps bc that's how young kids are getting their validation. things can't be ugly in their world because the parameters of what 'beautiful' is have closed in around them without them even knowing any different, so they won't accept anything even a little bit ''''experimental'''' from people they see as the pinnacles of that perfect manicured aesthetic because they don't know how to.

#newjeans w #stan twt overreacts over literally fucking NOTHING i thought i was gonna see something actually weird #but it was literally just oversized sports jerseys. y'all are pathetic (derogatory) #this is literally nothing compared to anything anyone wore on a music show in the years before 2015 #kpoppies are just weak #i think we should just nuke the twitter servers tbh #oh so y'all liked it when they had borderline inappropriate styling #but hate it now that they're wearing things actual teenagers wore in the years they have as their concept? #i wish stan twitter a very die :) #oh is it making you uncomfortable how young they are now that they actually look it??? is it????? #they should put them in increasingly more lisa frank jojo siwa ass styling i wanna see stan twt cry #none of y'all would have actually survived the 2000s shut UP #also im sorry but their kcon outfits are literally just what every second bg is wearing rn #INCLUDING the crop top #and they are cute outfits! like i would have died to be friends with those girls in 2008 #i cannot believe people are outraged about age appropriate stylings........smh #text #answers #no one in the history of ever has been ready for the conversation of unpacking why 'ugly' is used as an insult #and why ugliness is directly associated with being 'of lesser value' #anyways im gonna go watch every dawn mv like 12 times just to make up for this bullshit

[awek-s-archived]

I saw an article the other day that was talking about how fans were worrying about hyuna’s new look and i saw the pics on her Instagram and she literally just cut her hair and bleached it so she could dye it pink a few days later and she was wearing red under eye liner and posing semi nude. kpoppies r weak

#aweks.txt #u don’t see the vision because ur straight and conservative by the way

[aizenat]

Listening to Soojin’s ep, I never thought that she was that big of a selling point to me with gidle because even though she was my bias, I love Minnie and Yuqi. And even though I literally hate every gidle song that’s come out since Soojin’s departure, I put that blame on soyeon’s weak ass song writing ability (especially with the lyrics; that woman needs to be banned from using English in songs for a good five years to make up for the monstrosity that was queen card alone).

But I’m thinking Soojin’s absence from the group is a lot more bigger than I thought it’d be. Like it’s insane how good this ep is when gidle had released multiple songs since her departure and they all suck. Again, I always loved her but she was only one member right? That can’t be the reason I can’t fuck with gidle anymore right?

But I sound like a typical delulu kpoppie when I say that now that I’m faced with the reality. Soojin literally was the best part of gidle and they’re trash without her. I feel better just accepting this because now I can let go of gidle (despite being a huge fan since their debut; it’s sad to just mute them but I get zero enjoyment from any if their recent shit) and focus on supporting Soojin.

Not surprisingly, knets are probably going to hate on her for no reason. Her mv already has over a million views, so I’m hoping she at least gets enough attention to allow for her to make a few more albums. International fans are supporting her. Would be nice if international fan support was enough to keep her going because she proved with this ep that she was the star of gidle and how shitty they are without her.

#I don’t care about group positions/roles so idk what her official role in gidle was #I really didn’t think her leaving should affect my ability to enjoy their music this much #but I really have to accept it now #soojin really is it #soojin #seo soojin #agussy

[bisexualhobi]

hii, could you please expand on what you mean when you say no one in bts is a good singer? this is not a malicious ask i swear, i am just genuinely curious and would like to learn something new bc i have no knowledge on music theory or singing techniques etc, and you seem like you know your stuff, ya know? also if you want to ignore this ask so that you don't get butthurt kpoppies in your inbox, i understand lmao

hey! don’t worry i don’t mind, and sure! i hope you also know that i’m not being malicious either by saying that bts aren’t that good at singing. me saying they don’t have a particularly good technique =/= slandering them or saying they’re shitty. some groups are known for their dancing, others for their singing, others for rapping and so on and so forth. bts were originally formed to be a group heavily focused on rap, so when they recruited the members they were looking for rapping and dancing skills more so than vocal skills. none of the vocal line members had previous serious singing training, so it’d make sense that they weren’t as naturally gifted/or even taught proper skills. 

also i wanna add i’m not an expert in vocal coaching by any means but i do have some background in music theory since i studied that for two years. bts vocal line can carry a tune. definitely. and they also manage to sing live while doing a lot of complicated and demanding choreography. that is already an achievement in of itself! but having a voice timbre that sounds nice to your ears doesn’t equate a good singing technique. i really like taehyung and jimin’s timbre, for example, but the four of them struggle a lot when it comes to developing proper tonality, stability, agility, etc.

the main weakness with their vocal line is the lack of breath support and projection. jimin, jungkook, and jin have no ability to control diaphragmatic breathing, which is the proper way to breathe when you sing. their voice is placed in their throat, so it comes out too weak and sometimes nasal. you know how a lot of ppl say jungkook has a very breathy tone when singing? that’s the breathing. some people might actually prefer that style and it is still very friendly to the ear because of jungkook’s natural timbre, but it’s a bad technique.

taehyung is a baritone so there is very little material to take from because big hit never writes songs for his supported range, so i can’t make a great assessment of his breathing, but it’s still the most stable in vocal line. he still struggles with projection (precisely because there is so little for him to work with and practice within his range) but he is unable to sustain a proper head voice.

they’re all also very weak in projection, which means to throw your voice forward. so after a certain volume level they all sound strained and can go off pitch. you can see this in live performances where after a certain “high pitched” moment you can clearly hear strain as they struggle to meet the level of projection required. (a good example of this is epiphany’s famous high note. jin has a good voice for someone who had no previous singing background 9 years ago, but that note is strained because it goes above his supported range and his capability for projection).

lastly, they have mediocre agility. this means how quickly and effortlessly a singer can do riffs, switch between voices (head or chest), or do runs. the only vl member that can do runs properly is taehyung. jungkook too, when they’re breathy or falsetto parts. not one of them can do proper riffs on the spot. the vocal line should in theory be able to harmonize seamlessly and follow a riff live, but bts barely “improvise” vocally in live performances. this is because their agility is underdeveloped. you know how in glee or pitch perfect the ensemble is able to follow a melody and create “a cappella” sounding parts? that’s riffing. bts’ vl can’t riff on the spot and their songs don’t focus on ad libs or runs precisely because they are not able to pull it off.

i previously answered an ask that goes more into detail. it’s not only about bts but that’s because that ask was about exo too. it has some sources from a vocal coach run blog that analyzes kpop singers’ strengths and weaknesses. anyway, this got way too long. again. sorry. but this is basically what i think and it’s the reason bts have no live albums, no musical appearances, and rely heavily on edm style songs where there is autotune present. and with all this, bts is still my ult group and i still enjoy their voices and their songs a lot! you can criticize something while still loving it. weird, i know

#asks #long post #analysis #vocal line

[caandlelit]

so theres this girl in the grade below me right??? im Kind Of friends with her bc i saw her and i was like Fuck shes beautiful so obviously i made friends with her really lesbian bts stan friend but didnt have the Balls to start up a friendship with her bc shes beautiful and lovely

so now im super good friends with bts stan lesbian alright . shes chill and we’re tight now. but tragically ive only reaLLY talked to hot girl Once when me and her and lesbian bts stan talked abt taylor swift and other music and i found out her favourite song off of lover is cornelia street and i listened to it on loop since then. this was when lover came out. meaning Months ago

and now i stare at her pathetically from a distance daily and occasionally she graces me with a smile of acknowledgement. im really really tragic ok like

the other day i was talking to lesbian kpoppie (sorry, aRMY) in front of her and after i was done talking to her i turned around and saw her and swallowed the lump in my throat and said ‘h-hey’ and she was so fuckwkdjfhgd. Hot ok. her hair was in twin ponytails for some fucking reason????? its usually open but that day it was tied in twiN PONYTAILS and i was like wHAT THE FUCK and i couldnt speak

 so i blurted out ‘your hair looks really good today’ could i get gayer at this point. ‘looks good’ fUCk off thats so fukcing gay of me ‘looks good’ thats REALLY GAY and she was just like ‘thanks lmaoo <33′ and her smile im 😌🥰🤡

shes just so beautiful ok im . fuck

but the only reason im holding out a hope at this point is bc !! shes bffs with a lesbian man maYBE shes like bi or something !!!!! 

so im talking to some other girl from her grade bc i have a free class and so do some people from her grade (including her!!!!)

and she comes over at some point bc she knows us both

so i start being funnier alright its the obvious reaction and im always more confident when theyres someone else there too

and shes laughing so much and shes so cute and pretty im ,,,

and then we’re talking abt music ok and hot famous people??? and hot girl rants abt how Godly zendaya is for like a minute so im like !!!!!?????

and im being really fuckin funny other girl has her laptop out bc she was writing some essay or some shit and shes looking up pics of celebs we’re talking abt and im being fUNNY she searches bella hadid and i take the laptop and change bella to gigi and give it back and go ‘fixed it for u lol’ and hot girl laughs for a minute an dim swooning

and then other girl opens up a picture of the weeknd and i dIDNT KNOW WHAT HE LOOKED LIKE so i go ‘who the fuck is that’ and hot girl loses her shit and shes so hot and other girl gets so offended and shes like iTS tHe wEEkeND and i go ‘oOOOO FUCK THAT GUY !! nO fuckiN WONDER i didnt know who he was he fUCKIN SUCKS’ and hot girl is basically crying shes so hot bruh i felt like id ascended 🥴

and she was like ‘same i Hate him’ in between laughter and i was like ‘shes the love of my life’ and other girl gets so offended shes sO mad and im on a roll i go ‘well i mean God i was rIGHt in hating him and his Shit music if he looks like tHAT’ and she fc7djsing gets up and leAVES and hot girl immediately takes her place and we talk for ages

we talked for like the whole hour we were both free we talked till literally school ending it was the last few classes anyways

but in between our bonding during which we became great friends and i fell slightly in love with her

she mentioned that she was straight

and like . she talks like a hip twitter stan and . id been hoping she was bi . 

but she was, in retrospect, obviously a chill and very hot ally who was Fantastic but was tragically only attracted to men like She Said That and i literally said out loud ‘well thats a fucking crime what the fuck’ and she laughed but id already gone through all the stages of grief,,,,,,,, like we can be friends but ,,,,,,,,,

i was laying it on thick after that i was straight up flirting with her by the end of the convo like she hUGGED ME before she left and i told her she smells nice and she giggled and said she doesnt know how to respond to compliments and her smile is. the only reward

im gonna be crying abt how shes straight for like a month,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,im gonna become a songwriter and im Only gonna write abt how she makes me wanna be a butch but also makes me weak and no thoughts head empty only worship the beautiful girl

so anyways rant over im in mourning peace out <3

#shes really hot this was all the day before yesterday btw #and today i saw her in the bathroom and she was like 'hey !! <3 i listened to hey stephen and u were right its amazing !!!!' and i was like #'hahaha yeah !!!!!!!' #im so fucked im gonna be crying abt this for ages #x #wlw #rant #/rant

[serpentinaz]

I the reason why gentrification idle is so popular is also bcs that girl produces their songs and brainless kpoppies think that prosucing/writing your songs automatically makes you better than other artists lol and its not like her songs have good production so im just #confused

Urghh also like neverlands are the armys of gg stans you cant even say one thing abt gidle on twitter they'll be swarming under your mentions with a bunch of fancams and weak clapbacks 'stay pressed hunny 😘'

#ask

[i-numaki-remade]

go off sis

i'm just very enthusiastic about the kindest fandom of them all ! i love them. they are just so kind to us tiny, weak kpoppies 😔 so giving and just never ever use their big numbers to hurt anyone, not at all. only kindness and joy for everyone. 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜

#its at the point where like all you can do is laugh about how tragic it is #asks #soons-star

[jentlemahae]

The thing is tho is that that’s how the industry works. Like ok no but grammys is a shit show in general like they pick industry favs or just don’t pick ppl that deserve it? Idk like i think bts deserved at least a nom for best new artists at some point in their career. But that’s how the industry works? the only way to quantify is through sales and charts bc music is subjective like Inrespevt you don’t like the album...but a lot of ppl many not even army did they loved it! And I don’t think it’s purely bc of their fans bc then why do other big artists who also have similar fan base sizes not get the same sales? Idk cause of it was based off of musical content their old stuff would be nominated but that wasn’t even in korean award shows so let’s be real ppl win bc of sales and charting

Like i’m not tryna insult you omg! You can hav stour opinion about the album and it’s very valid! Like for example i don’t really like any of their LY era albums except for tear. Or with bp I don’t like their new album. That doesn’t mean it’s bad bc music is subjective i’m just tryna say bc of that unless you have industry officials voting who are objevtibely analyzing music which the grammys claim it’s based on sales. BUT with the grammys they have other issues like they had. a voting scandal, they snub rock artists, artists of color and there’s a lotta shit that goes on behind the scenes not that bts is part of that i highly doubt they are. But yeah grammys in general are bs

u didnt insult me omg i agree with you! i think that you’re right that music is subjective so you can’t say whats good or bad but i think people who work in the music industry (especially critics) should be able to tell if something is weak or strong and imo mots7 was weak bcs it felt more like an motsp 2.0 which in itself was an lya 2.0 (im talking in terms of lyrics + melody + overall topic of the album)

i just dont think bts should be nominated for aoty also bcs i really dont want them to think that their next album should be a mots7 2.0 lol but i definitely agree that they should’ve gotten a nominee for best new artist in 2018!!

also i think its harder to discuss sales w bts bcs 1 not a lot of artists have the same amount of fans who are invested enough to spend money on albums, 2 kpop and western sales are hard to compare bcs 99% of fans of western artists dont care as much abt sales as kpoppies lol 3 an award shows about sales in okay if they’re advertised as such and the grammys is not

but yeah the grammys are shit omg as a red and rep stan i hate the grammys so much

#anonymous #ask