Something I really like about Deltarune's Snowgrave run vs Undertale's genocide run is the fact that the Snowgrave run has a more psychological aspect, while I think Toby's mentioned he deliberately made Undertale's genocide run boring so it'd be less appealing. Like Undertale's genocide run is absolutely eerie, but it's also not really interesting.
Deltarune's Snowgrave run isn't just eerie, I genuinely think an argument could be made for it being psychological horror. Remember, Kris isn't the one giving Noelle orders. The player is. This is evidenced by multiple bits of dialogue from Noelle in the game, as well as Kris's behavior frankly.
I decided to play a Snowgrave run and as someone who's been manipulated and abused, playing a Snowgrave run myself instead of just watching someone else play it is one of the worst gaming experiences I've ever had (not necessarily in a bad way though, the fact that Toby managed to achieve that is astonishing). Through dialogue and visuals, it's made clear in both chapters that Kris isn't in control of their actions, the player is. It's why playing a Snowgrave run is one of the worst gaming experiences I've ever had. Because we're controlling Kris's actions, we're also the ones technically manipulating Noelle, but using Kris as a vessel for it.
Undertale doesn't make a distinction like this, which doesn't just make it not as much of a mindfuck but also means it's not as horrifying unless you overanalyze Undertale. On a surface level, Undertale's genocide run is basically just a regular, less interesting game that includes murder. You don't know these characters (unless of course you've played Undertale before) and killing all of them means that while they are living in fear, it's not for an extended period of time. In Deltarune, you're using Kris as a vessel to tell Kris's friend to freeze people, then kill one of her friends (whether Berdly is permanently dead or not is something we likely won't know until chapter 3, but in the Dark World at least, he's definitely dead, as Snowgrave is fatal).
It's not even that I hate that the Snowgrave run exists; it's great analysis material and adds a great alternate storyline. But dear lord, as someone who's been on the receiving end of abuse and manipulation, it's horrific.
Noelle is ABSOLUTELY traumatized from the entire ordeal
It's very possible that Kris is also traumatized from the Snowgrave route; it's (no so subtly) implied that Kris's soul is what allows us to control them and they rip it out of their chest at the end of both chapters. Kris knows they're not in control of their actions when they have their soul. Can you imagine how traumatizing it was for them to be controlled into doing something they probably didn't want to do? (It's also worth noting that the "Kris is just a vessel for the player" thing was clear as early as the character creation stage of chapter 1, as the character you're told to create is referred to as a "vessel")
Susie's probably traumatized. Seeing Noelle as upset as she is? Hearing her recount everything like it's implied (and who knows if Noelle mentioned Kris or the "terrifying voice" to her)? Hell, she even says "Somehow, it doesn't feel like we just saved the world..." at the end of a Snowgrave run.
Queen being sad that nobody's around is heartbreaking frankly.
You can't tell me Ralsei doesn't know something happened because of a severe lack of recruits. Similarly, you can't convince me that wouldn't be traumatizing for him.
There's definitely more but I'm tired
Conclusion: Deltarune's Snowgrave route is a psychological horror game and nothing will change my mind
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seriously, though. i work in higher education, and part of my job is students sending me transcripts. you'd think the ones who have the least idea how to actually do that would be the older ones, and while sure, they definitely struggle with it, i see it most with the younger students. the teens to early 20s crowd.
very, astonishingly often, they don't know how to work with .pdf documents. i get garbage phone screenshots, sometimes inserted into an excel or word file for who knows what reason, but most often it's just a raw .jpg or other image file.
they definitely either don't know how to use a scanner, don't have access to one, or don't even know where they might go for that (staples and other office supply stores sometimes still have these services, but public libraries always have your back, kids.) so when they have a paper transcript and need to send me a copy electronically, it's just terrible photos at bad angles full of thumbs and text-obscuring shadows.
mind bogglingly frequently, i get cell phone photos of computer screens. they don't know how to take a screenshot on a computer. they don't know the function of the Print Screen button on the keyboard. they don't know how to right click a web page, hit "print", and choose "save as PDF" to produce a full and unbroken capture of the entirety of a webpage.
sometimes they'll just copy the text of a transcript and paste it right into the message of an email. that's if they figure out the difference between the body text portion of the email and the subject line, because quite frankly they often don't.
these are people who in most cases have done at least some college work already, but they have absolutely no clue how to utilize the attachment function in an email, and for some reason they don't consider they could google very quickly for instructions or even videos.
i am not taking a shit on gen z/gen alpha here, i'm really not.
what i am is aghast that they've been so massively failed on so many levels. the education system assumed they were "native" to technology and needed to be taught nothing. their parents assumed the same, or assumed the schools would teach them, or don't know how themselves and are too intimidated to figure it out and teach their kids these skills at home.
they spend hours a day on instagram and tiktok and youtube and etc, so they surely know (this is ridiculous to assume!!!) how to draft a formal email and format the text and what part goes where and what all those damn little symbols means, right? SURELY they're already familiar with every file type under the sun and know how to make use of whatever's salient in a pinch, right???
THEY MUST CERTAINLY know, innately, as one knows how to inhale, how to type in business formatting and formal communication style, how to present themselves in a way that gets them taken seriously by formal institutions, how to appear and be competent in basic/standard digital skills. SURELY. Of course. RIGHT!!!!
it's MADDENING, it's insane, and it's frustrating from the receiving end, but even more frustrating knowing they're stumbling blind out there in the digital spaces of grown-up matters, being dismissed, being considered less intelligent, being talked down to, because every adult and system responsible for them just
ASSUMED they should "just know" or "just figure out" these important things no one ever bothered to teach them, or half the time even introduce the concepts of before asking them to do it, on the spot, with high educational or professional stakes.
kids shouldn't have to supplement their own education like this and get sneered and scoffed at if they don't.
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