#vivziepop critical

[uniquepeanutcreatorfire]

I saw this Twitter post and couldn’t agree more. When you think about it, Alastor behaves more like a realistic abuser than Valentino. Of course, this is completely unintentional by Viv since Alastor is supposed to be the favorite and quirky one. This is what happens when you make all your villains/abusers over-the-top, one-note, and super obvious bad guys. This is what also happens when there’s no established morality in the shows.

Then the fandom wants be surprised when Alastor is called evil or vile, have to keep citing potentially outdated outside sources, and Viv has to explain Alastor’s character in interviews instead of the show itself.

Like Stolas, Alastor won’t really be called out for his bad actions and the narrative will used this mysterious deal he’s in to make him sympathetic. Like Blitz, the fandom will blame Husk for the situation as he “consented” to the deal or probably say “Well he was an overlord too and he may have hurt people too”. Even though the show uses Husk’s deal to bond with Angel.

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[showtoonzfan]

I know I said I’d stop watching Helluva, but since this is a five minute short and not an episode, I decided to watch it, especially since it revolves around Millie and Sallie. However I don’t have much to say, this short is honestly a nothing burger, it revolves around Sallie coming to the pride ring to visit Millie for an evening out, but the only scene that matters is the last minute because the majority is just a montage of Sallie and Millie going around town and enjoying themselves.

The major thing is the fact that Millie is excited to see Sally and has a fun time with her. What happened to that “sibling rivalry” huh Viv? You know, the one that you argued gave Millie depth? And by the way, this short does nothing for Sallie and Millie as characters. Millie is the same bubbly and nice yet bloodthirsty character she always is. Meanwhile Sallie was hyped up for so long and yet she’s kinda just….there. She doesn’t really have any interesting or defining characteristics, she really is a brownie point cardboard cutout with little personality, like I’m sorry but it’s funny how we finally get content revolving around two females and it’s very empty, though I don’t know what I expected.

Sallie has this out of nowhere forced emotional moment where she shares she’s upset that Millie left her home town. I guess this could have been interesting had it been built up before, but this is writer Vivziepop we’re talking about, nothing is built up and everything comes out of nowhere. Part of it doesn’t help because this is the first time we’re getting to know Sallie as a character and yet you’ve already retconned her relationship with Millie. In the end it doesn’t matter, Millie says that she’ll try to visit her family more and that Sally can visit too whenever she wants, then it ends with them watching a show. This did nothing for Millie’s character, her relationship with her family, or Sallie’s character, (if you can call her one) and I find it funny that the relationship between Mille and her sister isn’t even in an episode, they don’t affect the main story or plot at all that a five minute short was enough, it’s just telling lol. Anyways short wasn’t god awful or bad just a nothing burger, something Viv’s writing has been for some time now.

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[moistrodent]

why are all vivziepop characters just

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[flower-boi16]

Holy shit the amount of hb fans saying brandon calling via a slut and an obstacle to the main toxic uwu couple as a harmless joke rubs to the wrong way. If this means to be a joke then it has to be the worst one I've ever heard. Seeing my cousins growing up in a dysfunction family which their parents divorced just makes me can't take this as any form of humour. They need to seperate brandon's skit from this show. The show wants to take via's problem seriously so to suddenly make this joke in favor for shippers is awful.

Speaking as someone who has divorced parents, seeing a teenage girl suffering from divorce and neglect from her father be called a "slut" and "cockblocking" because she DARED get mad at her POS father is kind of insulting. I don't CARE if It's a "joke", it's not funny.

Octavia has every right to be angry at Stolas for neglecting her in favor of his fuck-buddy, she's not "cockblocking". Stolas directly hurt Octavia yet SHE'S the one people are getting angry at??? WTF???

Again, as someone who suffered through divorce, this isn't funny, it's insulting and simply shows how the writers (and the fans) demonize all three of the people most hurt by Stolas' actions. Stella? She was just an abusive bitch to begin with. Blitz? Pffft, he only hates Stolas for being a prince. OCTAVIA? She should "cut her dad some slack" cuz he's "trying his best" and is just a cockblocking slut.

It's genuinely gross and in Octavia's case downright disgusting. These people refuse to actually look at things from these characters' perspectives and instead treat them as the spawn of literal satan cuz god forbid Stolas be held accountable for ANYTHING in this show and god forbid that ANYONE calls him out for his shit. For Stella, it's at least justified since she...isn't a good person. The other two though?

Ya, no. Blitz deserves a better boyfriend and Octavia deserves a better father. And I'm SICK of people pretending otherwise.

#vivziepop critical #hazbin hotel critical #helluva boss critical #vivziepop criticism #helluva boss criticism #anti stolas #octavia deserves better

[emerald-oceans]

I just don’t understand the disproportinate hate towards the shows. For a show that isn’t mainstream, will never be seen outside of the internet unless you come across someone sporting merch, and is fairly inoffensive and whose worst aspect is it’s ocassional mediocrity, you all seem to view it as the most vile thing to exist.

I just really like the characters and the songs and seeing people constantly shit on it like it’s the most heinous thing you could be a fan of and that if you’re a fan you’re a piece of shit and should be bullied really hurts. Just let us like it in peace, please.

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[chaifootsteps]

https://www.tumblr.com/lackadaisycats/748518887761526784/how-come-you-guys-decided-to-steer-away-from-an

The Virgin Vivienne Medrano: Has characters from completely different eras of time that all dress and speak almost identically, with very little hinting towards their background

The Chad Tracy Butler: Has a near encyclopedic knowledge on the time period her work takes place in, and has the background music edited to better reflect that

Remember kids, if you ever want to make an indie cartoon that features historical fiction, be a Tracy, not a Vivziepop

Also gotta love the fact that Tracy makes adjustments to her story to accommodate the tone that's needed. Viv still hasn't figured out how to do that.

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[bloody-teared-angel]

Little bit of info from what I'll be basing Alastor off

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[thowawayuntilfurthernotice]

I wasn't going to address this, because every time I criticize Brandon Rogers for saying something stupid at a con I get a couple of hardcore fans yelling at me in the replies and reblogs. But I decided to make an exception because this is sad even for him.

No, I don't have a problem with the joke itself. Trust me, as someone who is old enough to remember Rogers' old Vine skits, this joke is pretty tame compared to his older stuff.

The issue here is that he's clearly throwing Octavia under the bus because the character isn't well liked among the hardcore Stolitz fans. As a lot of them hate her for getting in the way of their precious ship.

Now, I'm not the type of person who gets involved in shipping discourse (Because it's stupid) but I find it funny how Rogers is trying to score brownie points with the Stolitz crowd. Because fuck forbid anybody who works on this show not validate the fandbase's toxic behavior when it comes to shipping, am I right?

It's annoying how Viv and her inner circle will constantly defend Stolitz against criticism, but they'll throw every other character and ship under the bus.

I guarantee you that if you went up to Viv or Brandon at a con and said that you liked a ship or character that they disliked, they would spend the rest of the con side eyeing you.

#Vivziepop Critical #Helluva Boss Critical #Hazbin Hotel Critical #Spindlehorse Critical

[autumnteawithfriends]

I despise CherriSnake and here’s why

Before we begin, something I want to clarify is that I don’t care if you ship or don’t ship CherriSnake. You do you, I’m not here to stop you and neither is this post. I just personally wanted to make a post on why I absolutely hate this ship.

Also, props to @cagneyblooms for helping me come up with some of the points.

REASON#1 - They don’t really work as partners for me

This is more of a personal reason to me, but CherriSnake is one of those ships to me where it feels like they absolutely can’t work out as a couple. Since the pilot is somewhat treated as canon in the show, they make no sense considering the fact that Pentious and Cherri absolutely despised eachother in the pilot. Both of them were locked in a turf war against one another and that hatred was mutual. Yet the show does a complete 180 from that and makes Pentious have this crush on Cherri out of nowhere, likely because Vivziepop wanted a straight HH ship and instead of deciding to just make a different character to pair Pentious/Cherri with or just make a entirely new ship. She just looked at the fandom, saw that CherriSnake was somewhat popular, and decided to make it canon last minute. CherriSnake during 2019-2023 just felt like a joke ship to me or something shippers who ship every character together would make. I mean, CherriSnake practically falls into a TON of popular tropes (Enemies/Rivals to Lovers, Angel x Demon, Girlboss x Goofball, probably way more) I’m not dissing this tropes, I even do these tropes myself with OC x Canon pairings I make. It’s just that CherriSnake felt rushed and last minute.

REASON#2 - They lack chemistry and actual interaction

To be fair, I partially put the blame on both Amazon Prime and Vivziepop for this. Amazon Prime because they only gave HH 8 episodes to really show its story, but I also blame Vivziepop for this. Because not only did she waste whatever time she had with those 8 episodes by showing us useless filler with the Vees and The Overlords instead of actually delving into the main sinners and why they’re in Hell. But she also crammed WAY too much content into 8 episodes instead of giving HH proper pacing.

But onto CherriSnake chemistry, Cherri and Pentious’s regular interactions pretty much prove to me that Vivziepop understands nothing about how actual relationships work and just make their dynamic one sided on Pentious’s part. Let’s be honest, Cherri does not reciprocate Pentious in the slightest considering the stuff she does to him. The shitty two dicks joke aside, not only was the kiss between her and Pentious forced because it was only a “heat of the moment” deal, but she also did this.

(Source: TV Tropes under Sir Pentious’s page)

I get that Cherri isn’t exactly a nicest sinner demon in Hazbin, but this combined with the two dicks joke and the kiss she and Pentious share makes her seem incredibly shallow (which she is considering how rushed this ship is in general) If Hazbin Hotel was like Bojack Horseman like some people claim it is, either these would happen.

A. Cherri realizes she was shallow for only wanting Pentious for his two dicks and never really considered how he felt, either leading Cherri and Pentious staying friends or Cherri breaking it off with him.

B. Pentious calls out Cherri for being shallow, thus giving both him and Cherri some development.

C. Cherri realizes that she only liked the kiss because it was less of them being in love and more of a heat of the moment adrenaline rush.

Or literally anything else. Cherri and Pentious never have a genuine interaction that either doesn’t make Cherri seem incredibly shallow or isn’t comedic.

As for the final reason, it may be a bit of a stretch, but I still think it counts.

REASON#3 - It’s borderline pedophillia

Again, props to @cagneyblooms for making me realize this point. Also, because pedophillia is very much a serious topic + I don’t want to throw the term around. I’ll be providing more evidence than the other two.

I’m not kidding, CherriSnake (atleast to me) becomes borderline pedophillic once you think about the lore Vivziepop spoon feeds us through her livestreams instead of diving deep into it. According to Vivziepop, Sir Pentious was in his mid 40s (best speculated to be 45) when he died while Cherri died in her early 20s, already raising a few eyebrows.

Yeah, this is already gross enough, but something that makes the age gap worse is the difference timeframe in which these two died in. Sir Pentious was confirmed to have died in 1888 London and Cherri Bomb died somewhere in the 80s. So not only was Pentious A GROWN ASS MAN WHO ALREADY HAD LIVED AND DIED BEFORE CHERRI WAS BORN, CHERRI WAS LIKELY BARELY A ADULT SINCE SHE WAS EITHER IN HER EARLY 20s AT BEST OR BARELY IN HER 20s AT WORST! This is also mentioning that Sir Pentious is also technically older than Cherri in Hell because depending on what exact year Cherri died in, Sir Pentious had either already spent nearly 100 years in Hell or he actually spent 100 years exactly in Hell when Cherri died. The only thing that really softens blow is that Pentious got a crush on her when they were both in Hell, meaning Cherri was technically still in her 20s in a way.

To conclude this, I hate CherriSnake. It’s one of the few Canon ships I actually despise since I either don’t care for Canon ships or I actually ship Canon couples as well. Even if Vivziepop wasn’t a terrible person, she’s still a really fucking awful writer who can’t stick to anything at all and is more concerned about her shitty Stoltliz soap opera rather than writing a good story. Writers like Vivziepop are the reason why research makes a good story.

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[theoddest1]

Crazy how fast the progressive facade disappears from hazbin fans when they can go anon

Especially when it's a black person speaking

like "shaniqua"??? Is this 2009???? if they're gonna be racist the least they can do is be creative but since Viv is their muse that's never gonna happen

Lmao it's crazy! They be the first to say "hey be understanding of others' interests and feelings" but when someone does something that doesn't and shouldn't effect them at all but affectstheir fave ships, suddenly that rule drops from the face of the earth💀

#anon ask #vivziepop critical #vivziepop criticism #hazbin hotel critical #hazbin hotel criticism #hazbin hotel #hazbin fandom critical #hazbin hotel fandom critical

[discoursecallie]

titus 1999 is genuinely a better, more sensitive portrayal of sexual assault than hazbin hotel

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[moistrodent]

Why do all vivziepop characters wear gloves. Genuine question. Even if it doesn’t make sense, GLOVES!!! YOU GET GLOVES FO FUCK YOURSELF!!!

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[flower-boi16]

Octavia: “I just don’t like it my father neglects me in favor of the imp guy that he’s cheating and it leads to my mom to fight with him” Brandon, Viv, and most of shippers: “Wow you are a stupid, annoyed whore, die!” Octavia: “I am 17 year old” Wow this is just hate towards female characters for being in way of gay ships huh?

The way the writers and the fandom demonize all three of the characters who were the most hurt by Stolas’ actions whenever they get rightfully mad him in order to try and make Stolas look more sympathetic is kinda gross…?

Like they’ll instantly take Stolas’ side and completely ignore all of his bad actions to paint him as an UwU soft boy and demonize any character that DARES hold him accountable for his actions while neglecting looking at this situation from their perspective.

For Octavia it’s especially bad because this girl suffering from neglect and divorce who has done NOTHING wrong is being called a “slut” and treating as a monster from the rest of the fanbase.

Octavia deserves to be in a better show man.

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[bump-inthe-night]

The Millie-Sallie Mae short would've been cute if it weren't for the fact that Vivziepop will give her men multiple episodes dedicated to them. However, her women are lucky if they're even the side focus in episodes, let alone the main character.

Vivziepop will shower her men with heavy amounts of attention, exploring their backstories and their relationships with other men in MULTIPLE episodes, while her women get breadcrumbs, receiving little focus by comparison.

#anti vivziepop #vivziepop critical #hazbin hotel critical #helluva boss critical

[chaifootsteps]

Vivziepop having a noncon fetish and enjoying problematic ships like Valanagel wouldn’t bother me if it wasn’t for her denial of it. She lied about handling SA in a serious way and attacked SA survivors, who criticized her for it.

Vivziepop either should’ve owned up to inserting her noncon fetish into Hazbin Hotel or should’ve never put it there in the first place. However, she wants to have it both ways and gets mad when she’s told she can’t.

This. The problem isn't Viv (and Raph's) noncon kink or their ships, it's how their overall handling of SA manifested in the show, and how Viv responded when called out on that.

Believe it or not, there actually is a difference between creating something for yourself and your friends online and creating something that's meant to be watched by millions of people on a streaming service.

#Anonymous #viv stuff #vivziepop critical #actual blog post

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

Charlie should call her Hotel the Happy Hotel and everyone else call it Hazbin Hotel. Charlie has no reason to call it that and should fight about Alastor about it. Just makes Charlie weak she just let Alastor pick the name and Charlie using the name that mock her dream.

This

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