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Rewatching When the Levee Breaks

Welcome to “Sam’s Got the DTs (Dimples, Tortured): A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!

Up today, s4e21: When the Levee Breaks

Dean and Bobby keep Sam locked in the panic room, trying to detox him from the demon blood. Sam’s pleading and screaming clearly bother Dean, but they agree that they don’t really have other options. Sam hallucinates all manner of things, including his mother, himself as a teen, and his brother who calls him a monster. Dean calls on Cas for help, who says that Sam likely could kill Lilith but he’d have to drink so much demon blood that he’d no longer be human. He tells Dean that he’s the only one who can stop the apocalypse, and Dean reluctantly swears loyalty to heaven. Cas then, unbeknownst to Dean or Bobby, lets Sam out of the panic room. Bobby catches Sam trying to leave the property, but can’t shoot him. Sam knocks him out and goes to find Ruby, who tells him that there are only a few seals left and Lilith is the only one who can break the last one. Anna comes to Cas to berate him for his actions, but he protests that he is acting on orders before more angels arrive and capture Anna. Sam and Ruby are ready to leave to meet up with a demon Ruby says is close to Lilith, but Dean finds them and tries to kill Ruby. He and Sam fight, and Sam nearly knocks Dean out. As Sam is leaving, Dean tells him that if he leaves he should never come back.

Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here. Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.

[and we begin:]

Lor:

"if it smells like a duck"?

Mace:

HA

Sam is so hot when he’s mad

Lor:

he IS

Mace:

your Dean is being a butt

Lor:

aw but lookit how tortured he is about it

Mace:

is he though?

i think we’ve seen him much more so

Lor:

well. that's probably true

Mace:

the self-righteousness is helping with it

Lor:

he's in a mood

Mace:

ew gross this dude

DONT YOU TOUCH MY STRINGBEAN

Lor:

right?

ooof, Sammy. your mind is being so mean to you

"oh wait. no one ever wrote one" BOBBY

Mace:

HA

SUCK DIRT AND DIE RUFUS

Lor:

"suck dirt and die" HAAAAAAHAHAHAHA

"he knows"

"you look just awful" SNORK

Mace:

christ he’s hot

Lor:

right? he's all sweaty and tortured

Mace:

YES

Lor:

look, MARY

Mace:

yeah she’s the worst

DIMPLE

TORTURED DIMPLE

Lor:

YAAAS

Mace:

he could just…embrace the evil? I’d still love him…more prolly

Lor:

YES

Mace:

Look, Cas, don’t confuse Chosen One with One You Want to Bone

Lor:

HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA

"if it gives you comfort to see it that way" ooooooof

Mace:

“say it” oooo, dom vibes

Lor:

omg the LOOKS they are giving each other

Mace:

right?

Lor:

"now you wait" PREFERABLY ON YOUR KNEES

Mace:

guys, stand a smidge closer, why don’t you

Lor:

LOLOLOL

"i'm sorry. you prefer sucker?"

Mace:

“the angel’s bitch” a little on the nose there Bobby

Lor:

lolololol

"that's a little too much nothing"

Mace:

toddler parent speak

Lor:

LOL

CLOSE THE DOOR

Mace:

well i think Bobby may actually have been born in a barn, so

Lor:

haahahahaha

Mace:

yeah, dean, quit hurting Sammy

Lor:

omg Dean, your face

Sam's hallucination of Dean has a collar that is VERY popped and real Dean's collar is not at all popped

Mace:

interesting!

Cas, what are you up to

Lor:

poor nugget. doing what heaven tells him to

Mace:

yeah Anna, go away

Oooh, I don’t like that she calls him Cas. Only the boys get to call him that

Lor:

right?

Mace:

oh honey

Lor:

oooof

"i am on call, in my car on the way to murder the bitch"

Mace:

sigh simmer down, dude

Lor:

lol

Mace:

oh sweet jesus that was hot

Lor:

RIGHT?

Mace:

“I know that kid”

I love that he thinks of him as a kid, always

Lor:

YES

and that he really does know him that well, even though Sam thinks he doesn't

like, Dean HAS been a dick to him, but he does really care

Mace:

yeah

Lor:

mmm slicked back hair

Mace:

meh

not my jam

not on him at least

Lor:

that's why he wears it all loose and luscious most of the time

Mace:

YAS

yeah, Dean, stop being a dick

ah, we’ve entered Bigot Dean era. Awesome.

Lor:

yeeeeeah he sure has some trouble with his grayness sometimes

oh Dean. do NOT say that to Sammy

Mace:

Dean, don’t draw lines like that. not cool

Lor:

i mean. Sammy, don't choke out Dean, either. but.

for real, Dean. you know what that means to Sam. don't say that

Mace:

he had it coming

Lor:

squinty eyes

Mace:

i know you love him, but it’s really hard for me to like Dean right now. so self-righteous and I-Know-Best and hypocritical

oh, Sammy’s the monster? Who loves torturing people in Hell, Dean? Huh? WHO?!

Lor:

yeah, he loses me at the monster bit. it's like, is this an addiction or isn't it? cause if you're gonna be all "addiction intervention we have to help you bc you are not capable of helping yourself right now" you can't turn around and be all "you're evil" 12 hours later

(I also kind of don't buy it. it feels like bad writing for Dean. I don't think he ever gives up on his little brother Sammy, and this turn to "you're the monster" feels like giving up on him)

Mace:

OR - hear me out - it IS in line with what we know of Dean: He’s not giving up here on Sam so much as he’s giving up on himself and his ability to save Sam. “Sam is a monster” = “I’m a complete failure as a brother and human garbage because I can’t save Sam from whatever is happening to him, which is just further proof that I’M the monster, but I’m not self-aware enough to understand all this, so I’m taking it out on little bro because Dad never taught me how to figure out feels.” See? It all comes back to John being a Major Bag O’ Dicks.

Lor:

HA! I am HERE for all interpretations that make it John’s fault. That dillweed

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Rewatching Jump the Shark

Welcome to “Adam is the New Dawn Summers: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!

Up today, s4e19: Jump the Shark

The boys answer a call on their dad’s old cell phone, and the caller claims to be John’s son. FRAUGHT. They go to meet him, Sam ready to see what’s what, Dean *certain* that this is some monster laying a trap. But all signs point to Adam really being John’s son and therefore the boys’ younger half brother. Adam’s mother has disappeared, and while Sam and Dean try to find out what happened to her, the three brothers have all manner of moments of strife and snipe and hurt and grump. (Dean is especially grump.) Turns out, whoops, that Adam IS a monster (a ghoul) laying a trap, but the ghoul has taken the form of the real Adam, who is very dead but was also very much Sam and Dean’s brother. Ooof.

Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here. Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.

 [and we begin:]

Lor:

oh fuck off, John

jeez, Dean

Mace:

sammy brushing his teeth is hot don't ask me why i don’t make the rules

Lor:

"but I'm hungry now" me and Dean are the saaaaame person

LOL it is adorable

Mace:

HA

Lor:

omg Sam also has mouthwash

Mace:

YAS

Lor:

our poor boys

Mace:

yeah

dean is PISSED

Lor:

yep

and underneath his anger iceburg is a whoooole lot of hurt

Mace:

yeah

don't just throw the silverware on the floor, Dean, you’re better than that

Lor:

right?

I will forgive him a lot right now, but still

Mace:

poor Adam

Lor:

yeah

"a car fell on him" DEAN

Mace:

“a car fell on him”

you’re being a turd

Lor, slap him upside real quick

Lor:

yep. we've crossed over into "no pie for you"

nah he enjoys that. and then I get all....

Mace:

yeah right, you would never

Lor:

yeah, I wouldn't. not enough that he'd feel it

Mace:

i meant deprive him of pie

Lor:

oh that.

I meeeean. maybe for a minute or two

what diner has real silver on the table?

Mace:

Lor. we just watched Dean switch them out and throw the diner’s stuff on the floor

get your head in the game

Lor:

oh yeah! I was... distracted

oh Dean, honey

Mace:

oh man, Dean. poor thing.

 his head is near asploding

Lor:

yep

and his heart

Mace:

admit it, Dean, your dad was a DICK

Lor:

as if he could hate John more AND dammit he'd thought the man had run out of ways to hurt him

YEP

oh DEAN. he needs a hug. maybe he should pray to Cas

Mace:

that’s the problem - i don’t think he does hate john and he really needs to

Lor:

well not enough anyway

Mace:

he hates himself for not being a better son instead of blaming john for being a shit father

Lor:

sloppy, John, getting your pic in the paper. terrible hunter

oooof YEP

Mace:

so this is going right into the I Must Be a Shitty Son because He Loved This Kid More

Lor:

ooooof

see, he needs pie

lololol Dean

stop throwing scissors!

Mace:

omg the spazzing

Lor:

(course, maybe he's doing it on purpose to protect Sammy from having to go down there)

Mace:

(maybe)

Lor:

(I can never decide which I think it is)

Mace:

EWEWEW

Lor:

ick

oooo you clean that gun, Dean, you clean it good

Mace:

HA

Lor:

I mean. Dean is

just not for a JOB

Mace:

yeah

oh Sam

always steps up with the logic

Jesus, Dean, sitting as far away as he can

Lor:

"nobody just says okay"

YEP

Mace:

Dean. It’s not HIS fault.

Lor:

nope

Dean is SUCH a whirl of emotions

Lor:

omg both of them yelling "no" at little brother

Mace:

YES

“welcome to the family”

AHAHAHA

poor Sammy

Lor:

poor Sammy. welcome to being the middle kid, Sam

Mace:

Somehow he’s always been the middle kid

Lor:

HA!

YES

(do you remember how this goes?)

Mace:

(i do not)

Lor:

(oh HO. very good, then)

Mace:

(well, I mean, Adam ends up as Michael, if that’s what you mean)

Lor:

(that is not what I mean)

Mace:

I love that little bracelet on Sam’s wrist

Lor:

it COULD have been over if the writers hadn't dropped the ball all the way to the center  of the earth at the end

YES

Mace:

YUP

Lor:

nnnnnggggg Dean crouching by the car

Mace:

is he wearing…italian boots?

Lor:

he is wearing SOME kind of very special boots that he did NOT buy at Macy's, that's for sure

pets him

this is why you never park over top of shit

Mace:

Ha!

Lor:

lol poor Bobby. "MORE of you snot nosed Winchesters to look after? I'm gonna resurrect your son of bitch father so I can shoot him myself"

Mace:

AHAHAHA YES

oh WAIT I THINK I REMEMBER NOW WHAT HAPPENS

OOOOOO

Lor:

LOL

Mace:

Dean is STRUGGLING with stuff

Lor:

he REALLY is

Mace:

wants to hate the kid but also wants to protect him

Lor:

YEP

Mace:

Big Brother pull is strong with this one

Lor:

yep

oh Sam

Mace:

“i think it’s too late for us"

oh DEAN WINCHESTER

they are beautiful boys, but DAMN they are messed up

Lor:

they REALLY are

"well then I'll look again"

Mace:

stubborn

Lor:

his little hufflepuff heart can't handle not caretaking his little brother

Mace:

ha!

“sloppy Joe” DEAN WINCHESTER NO

Lor:

lol I love that he makes his quips when there's no one to hear them though

Mace:

I prefer when he says “son of a bitch"

Lor:

ditto

oooof Dean

Mace:

yeah

oh he’s got his thinking cap on

Lor:

lol

EW

Mace:

agreed

EWEWEW

STOP CUTTING MY STRINGBEAN

Lor:

RIGHT?

ooof Dean you can stop now

Mace:

Jesus, Dean.

Lor:

you probably wanna raise them higher than that too Sam

Mace:

yeah

Lor:

"Adam's in a better place" not for looooong

Mace:

i don’t remember how he comes back

is it because dean says no to michael?

Lor:

the angels bring him back when Dean says no, yeah

Mace:

stop insulting sammy, dean

Lor:

"you take it any way you want" ooooooof

The Fraught Brothers Ride Again

Mace:

cripes, boys

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Rewatching After School Special

Welcome to “Stay Gold, Jenny Thunder: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!

Up today, s4e13: After School Special

Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here. Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.

[and we begin:]

When a high school girl drowns a bully in a school toilet and insists later that she felt like she was possessed during the incident, Sam and Dean are on the case. And the high school in question? Just so happens to be one they attended briefly as teenagers. The boys go undercover in the school as a janitor (Sam) and a P.E. teacher (Dean) to see what they can find out. As more students are hurt by possessed classmates, the boys discover that the culprit is the ghost of a boy named Dirk who attended the school with Sam and Dean and was horribly bullied after they were no longer at the school. Through a series of flashbacks, we learn what Sam and Dean were going through themselves at that school, and see that Dirk had been a bully to Sam and his friend until Sam knocked Dirk out in a fight and labeled him with a moniker that would become the focus of the bullying directed toward him. Sam and Dean rid the school of the ghost, but not without a considerable amount of fraught. And in the end when Sam seeks out a teacher who had been important to him to say thank you, the teacher asks if Sam is happy. End episode. It’s outsiders all the way down, man.

Mace:

what a bitch

Lor:

ug terrible high school kids

Mace:

welp, she’s a bitch too

Lor:

YEP

Lor:

(this was not my experience of high school. there was definitely meanness and cliques but if that level of awfulness was happening, I wasn't aware)

Mace:

(same)

Lor:

also, no one got possessed and drowned anyone

Mace:

well, sure. Although, to be fair, again, we don’t KNOW for certain that no one got possessed

Lor:

TRUE

and no Sam and Dean ever showed up

Mace:

yeah we would have known about that

Lor:

(god, I would have DIED at Dean Winchester when I was 17)

Mace:

(SAME)

Lor:

mmmmrf Sammy in that white v-neck

Mace:

YAS

Lor:

she thinks she was possessed but Sam's crazy? come on, child

Mace:

honey. you’re in the nuthouse and you’re calling Sammy crazy?

Lor:

commit to the bit

Mace:

HAHAHAHAHA

Lor:

LOLOLOLOL

IS THIS THE DEAN IN THE SHORTS EPISODE

Mace:

Swedish exchange students?

I need to hear that accent

IT IS

Lor:

LOLOL

this is 1000% not what Dean looked like at 18. he was Jenny Thunder in his dad's leather jacket trying to be cool

Mace:

HA

Lor:

like I buy the bravado and the attitude but he was PRETTY. I will not be convinced otherwise

Mace:

snork

Mace:

The Outsiders. subtle, writers. subtle.

Lor:

he would have that teacher eating out of his hand

LOLOLOL

Mace:

Hm. I kind of like the idea that he hasn’t perfected his game yet

Lor:

mmmmm. yeah, okay. he hasn't quite learned what level of sass he can get away with yet

WHISTLE

Mace:

HAAAAAAHAHAHA

yeah, Dean wouldn’t slam that kid like that

Lor:

DEAN

RIGHT?

Mace:

Sam in a work suit does things to me

Lor:

he would have every one of these kids doing physical activity, enjoying themselves, and feeling better about themselves

YAS

Mace:

yep

Lor:

and he would go help that kid

is he possessed by John or what?

Mace:

HA

oh ewewewewewew

EWEWEWEWEW

Lor:

OH JEEZ NOPENOPENOPE

I can't with hands in blendery things

Mace:

Sammy’s concerned face is so adorable

Lor:

it IS

OMG

Dean in his track suit

Mace:

those shoulders

Lor:

YAS

Mace:

and he looks so COMFY

Lor:

I think someone should quality check that zipper

Mace:

DEAN WINCHESTER

Lor:

DEAN

KNOCK IT OFF

Mace:

it’s all talk to annoy Sam. he would never

Lor:

YEP

and maybe he's actually uncomfortable being reminded of high school and is leaning into the persona?

Mace:

yeah

Lor:

(or this one was written by someone who wasn't as invested in Dean and just got him a little OOC. it is a Sam ep)

Mace:

(i agree that the writer doesn’t know Dean, but I think it’s pretty equally and Sam and a Dean ep)

Lor:

Oh Dean. trying to act like it's cool that he doesn't have a parent looking out for him in a normal way

Mace:

yeah

Lor:

yeah, I had forgotten about this other stuff with him. I mostly remembered the sam and the bullying stuff

Mace:

I love that this kid does Baby Sam so well

Lor:

RIGHT?

poor Sam

Mace:

poor both of them

Lor:

oh Dean

right?

John Winchester has so much to answer for

Mace:

big brother Dean I love it

yep

Lor:

YES

oh Dean. he's so twitchy.

and baby Sam just wanted to be normal

Mace:

yep

Lor:

AND baby Sam has a VERY cool jacket

Mace:

he DOES

Lor:

Dean has definitely stolen Sam's copy of The Outsiders and read it after Sam fell asleep

Mace:

yep

Lor:

he has a crush on Darry

Did Dean just reference Dead Poets?

That boy watches EVERYTHING

Mace:

yeah

oh SAMMY

Lor:

oooof

aw the way he's holding the girl that was possessed

Mace:

oh i love the parallels here with Dean being all big brother again

Lor:

OMG Dean yelling the same thing!

YES

Mace:

yeah, I was worried another adult would come out and see it

Lor:

oooof, yeah

Mace:

LORE

Lor:

they are so very sketch from the outside

DRINK

Mace:

HAHAHAHA

Mace:

they are

Lor:

"ghosts getting creative. well that's super"

Mace:

like, hanging out on a school bus with a sawed off shotgun

Lor:

"ghostie ghostie"

YEP

Lor:

do not name your kid Dirk if your last name is MacGregor, come on

Mace:

snork

Lor:

ooof it's being called freak that finally sets him off

Mace:

yep

Lor:

this poor father

Mace:

yeah

Sammy do NOT feel guilty, the kid WAS a dick

Lor:

Dean knows that a whole load of upset Sammy is coming

right?

Mace:

YEP

Lor:

Sam, you were fourteen. this was not ON you. SHOCKINGLY, the adults around you failed

Mace:

“all of him?” DEAN

EXACTLY

Lor:

LOL

Dean trying to act like this is a normal question and he's just a normal guy asking normal questions

Mace:

snork

21 Jump Street

Lor:

YES

Mace:

he watched it for Depp

Lor:

"bus driver sells pot"

he DID

Mace:

snork

Lor:

the way they turn the bullying thing around

Mace:

YEP

Lor:

(i don't think it was Sam's fault, but. just the flipping of the outsider bit)

Mace:

Sammy is giving SUCH good sad face

Mace:

(i get it)

Lor:

YES

DEAN WINCHESTER

Mace:

HAHAHA

Lor:

ooooof Dean

Mace:

ooof she is hitting him where it hurts

Lor:

YEP

Mace:

you’re a kid, honey

Lor:

oooof

John shoulda left the boys with Bobby waaaay back

Mace:

YEP

and never come back

Lor:

YEP

Mace:

oh SAMMY

Lor:

RIGHT?

I just love that moment so much. that Sam takes the time to go talk to the teacher and the teacher is still seeing things in him others aren't

Mace:

YES

Lor:

and the way in both the past and the present, Dean is being supportive in his own way but not really GETTING the issue Sam's dealing with

Mace:

YEP

Lor:

and the teacher, probably because HE is outside their group, DOES see the issue

such a nice little moment

Mace:

I think it’s because he’s good at spotting the outsiders, which is what good teachers can do, not necessarily because he’s outside their group because if that were the case then lots of other people would see what’s going on and they clearly don't

Lor:

oooo, YES I like that

and yes SUCH a good skill in a teacher

#watchingspnagain #watchingspnagain 4x13 #spn #supernatural #spn meta #spn spoilers #spn 4x13 #watchingspnagain john #watchingspnagain dean and kids #watchingspnagain ghosts #watchingspnagain outsiders #watchingspnagain sam and kids

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Rewatching In the Beginning

Welcome to “‘1.21 Gigawatts!’ ‘You are my density!’”: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!

 Up today, s4e3: In the Beginning.

  Cas sends Dean back in time to meet his parents and his grandparents and to witness the moment when the Yellow-Eyed Demon sinks his claws into Mary.  Dean decides to try to kill YED so that he and Sam can have a normal childhood, but, of course, that doesn’t work out. We also find out that Cas likes watching Dean when he’s sleeping. But they’re just friends. Uh-huh.

 Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here. Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.

 [and we begin:]

   Lor:

ngggggg Cas

 Mace:

YAS

 Mace:

his LIPS

 Mace:

 I mean, honestly

 Lor:

YAAS

Lor:

tsk, Sammy, sneaking out while Dean is sleeping

 Mace:

oh Sammy, sneaking out

 Mace:

 HAHAHA

 Lor:

LOL

 Lor:

aw, Dean, get under the covers, baby

 Lor:

"Hello, Dean"

 Mace:

“hello, Dean”

 Mace:

 OMG

 Lor:

LOLOLOL

 Lor:

no Dean, he only likes to watch YOU sleep

 Mace:

YAS

 Mace:

 Marty McFly vibes

 Lor:

YES

 Lor:

the little nods are SO GOOD

 Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

oh look, young John takes care of strangers better than Dad!John will take care of his own kids

 Mace:

 YEP

 Lor:

I love that it takes Dean a minute

 Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

probably because based on the furniture in any house of anyone he's every liked, it still is the 70s

 Mace:

 omg yes, and all the motels

 Lor:

YES

 Lor:

I love the screaming angel wings title card

 Mace:

me too!

 Mace:

 we’ve moved into the seizure-inducing era of the openings

 Lor:

LOL yep

 Mace:

 Cas’s HAIR

 Lor:

"well bend it back!"

 Lor:

YAAAAAAS

 Mace:

 I would LOVE to have that van

 Lor:

YES

 Lor:

though I would take the Impala first

 Mace:

 of course

 Lor:

Dean Van Halen haaaahahahaha

 Mace:

DEAN VAN HALEN

 Mace:

 HAHAHA

 Lor:

LOL

 Lor:

"been any cattle mutilations in town lately?"

 Lor:

I love him

 Mace:

 SNORK

smooth, Dean

 Lor:

oh yes. super smooth, super subtle

 Mace:

 omg Dean in a mirthmobile I LOVE IT

 Lor:

YAAAAAS

 Lor:

I love Mary's shirt

 Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

"I'm going to hell. again."

 Mace:

“...again"

 Mace:

HAHAHA

 Mace:

 that’s hilarious because I was just thinking in the last scene, “Is John…attracted to Dean here?"

 Lor:

RIGHT?

 Mace:

 oh look, Dean’s now been abused by both parents

 Lor:

HA!

 Lor:

yep

 Lor:

"are you a hunter?" poor Dean. just upending his WHOLE life

 Mace:

 YEP

 Lor:

"we're practically family"

 Lor:

"clearly not enough"

 Mace:

 HA

 Lor:

"Samuel and... Deanna?"

 Lor:

HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 Mace:

 omg, I don’t think I caught that the first time around

 Lor:

I LOVE that Mary named her firstborn son after her MOTHER

 Lor:

I LOVE IT

 Mace:

 YAS

 Lor:

omg Dean's face

 Mace:

 HAHAHA YES

 Lor:

"the web of information you have assembled"

 Mace:

HAHAHA

 Mace:

 OMG FATHER!DEAN

 Lor:

OMG I forgot they both showed up separately in priest outfits!

 Mace:

 AM DED

 Lor:

"Father Chaney" haaaahahahaha

 Mace:

YAS

 Mace:

 he looks SO GOOD in that suit

 Lor:

RIGHT?!

 Mace:

 and I want Mary’s coat

 Lor:

YEP

 Lor:

dun dun DUN

 Mace:

 HAHAHAHA YEP

 Lor:

that is SO MUCH fruit salad for four people

 Mace:

HA

 Mace:

 “who, where, and when” “why?” HAHAHA

 Lor:

LOL

 Lor:

you do not, Dean

 Mace:

 YEP

 Lor:

"what's he like?" oh, Dean

 Mace:

 right?

 Lor:

oh DEAN

 Lor:

his FACE

 Mace:

yeah, Mary, outsiders can’t break in

 Mace:

 right?!

 Lor:

RIGHT?

 Lor:

him trying to make her not get killed in the future I CANNOT

 Lor:

OH DEAN

 Mace:

 oh DEAN

 Lor:

CAS APPEARING IN THE CAR

 Mace:

 YAS

 Lor:

"Sam is not looking for you" OOOOF

 Mace:

 right?!

 Lor:

"oh, I care"

 Mace:

 he’ll feel guilty about it always of course

 Lor:

of course

 Lor:

god Dean's green eyes

 Mace:

 right?! He looks SO GOOD in this episode

 Lor:

YES

 Lor:

man, I LOVE when he lays it all out for someone and then lowers his gun

 Mace:

YEP

 Mace:

 oh FUCK YOU SAMUEL

 Lor:

Samuel, you deserve everything you get, you putz

 Lor:

is bobby the ONLY father figure who ever tells Dean he's proud of him or similar when he's NOT possessed by a demon?

 Mace:

omg right?!

 Mace:

 Dean is SUS

 Lor:

YES

 Lor:

aaaaaand now he gets to be assaulted by his grandfather. this boy needs so much therapy

 Mace:

oooh Angry Dean Thrown Against a Wall

 Mace:

 HAHAHA

 Lor:

YES

 Lor:

the way this is almost sexual

 Mace:

 yeah it’s...weird

 Lor:

it is SO CREEPY

 Mace:

 SO. CREEPY.

 Lor:

god Dean's ANGER

 Mace:

 YAS

 Lor:

Jensen kills this

 Mace:

he does

 Mace:

 oh Mary, you dummy

 Lor:

right?

 Lor:

also, why does she not remember?

 Mace:

 RIGHT?!?!

 Lor:

the Dean stuff gets wiped, but she should remember the demon deal?

 Lor:

you don't just forget that?

 Mace:

 correct

 Lor:

O.M.G. the way Cas and Dean look at each other there

 Mace:

the look on Dean’s face

 Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

YES

 Lor:

"destiny can't be changed, Dean"

 Lor:

they way this becomes the theme of the whole SHOW

 Lor:

I love it

 Mace:

then why say “you have to stop it” Cas?!

 Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

RIGHT?

 Lor:

so he would try, I guess?

 Mace:

 oh wait it was a reference to Sam I guess

 Lor:

I guess

 Mace:

 but it’s still bad writing

 Lor:

I feel like sometimes Cas wakes Dean up in the night now to apologize for doing this to him

 Mace:

 AW

 Lor:

i mean, it's so CRUEL. it definitely plagues Cas

 Lor:

yeah, it feels like the writing there is supposed to make you go "oh! i see" and instead you just go "eh?"

 Mace:

yep. I think we’re supposed to think it’s clever in hindsight, but instead it’s just slipshod and clumbsy

 Mace:

 wow, that b does not belong in there

  Lor:

LOL

#watchingspnagain #watchingspnagain 4x03 #spn #supernatural #spn meta #spn spoilers #spn 4x03 #watchingspnagain acting #watchingspnagain boy king of hell #watchingspnagain dean and assault #watchingspnagain dean sleeping #watchingspnagain john #watchingspnagain mary #watchingspnagain outsiders #watchingspnagain setdec #watchingspnagain time travel #watchingspnagain whose story?

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Rewatching Long-Distance Call

Welcome to “Pack Your Panties, We’re Going to Ohio: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!

  Up today, s3e14: Long-Distance Call.

 People in a town in Ohio are getting phone calls and IMs from the dead. Always someone who was very close to them and whose return they long for. The catch? Eventually the phone calls end in their gruesome deaths. The boys are on the case, but when Dean receives a call from John, he goes off the deep end—juuuust a little. Sam saves the day, but it’s clear Sam and Dean are both getting desperate and emotions are high as the clock ticks down for Dean.

 Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here. Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.

 [and we begin:]

 Lor:

 (omg only three eps till Cas!)

  Mace:

 (OHMYGOD YAYYYY)

Lor:

 tsk, pull your collar down in the back over your tie, dude

  Mace:

 snork

  Lor:

 1 demerit

  Mace:

 harsh!

  Lor:

I don't make the rules!

  Mace:

 SNORK!

  Lor:

 it's all right he's not gonna live long enough to care about his demerits

  Mace:

 that’s very true

 CREEPY

  Lor:

 YEP

  Mace:

 EW the blood splatter sound

  Lor:

 haaaahahahahah the splatter on the phone

 LOL

  Mace:

 prolly brain splatter too

  Lor:

 LOL our different reactions

  Mace:

 YAS

 “pack your panties, Sam"

  Lor:

 "no we were actually talking about our feelings"

YOU COULD USE TO TALK ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS, BOY

  Mace:

 you KNOW you have a favorite boy band, Dean

 YES

  Lor:

 he DOES

he absolutely does

(it's the Backstreet Boys)

  Mace:

 of course it is

  BOYS. SO FRAUGHT

  Lor:

 "you really wanna talk about who’s keeping secrets from who?" oooooh FRAUGHT

 LOL

  Mace:

 YAS, SAMMY, COME TO OHIO

  Lor:

 "guess I"m going to ohio" SASSY

 YAAAAAS

 oooo I LOVE it when they communicate without talking like that

  Mace:

 YES

  Lor:

 "a capital offense" and Sam's clearing his throat

 Mace:

 HAHAHA

 my god, Sammy looks good in that suit

that checked shirt, his hair

  Lor:

 he DOES

Dean wants a lunch

OMG I love him

  Mace:

 YAS

 omg lookit THOSE suits

  Lor:

 RIGHT?

  Mace:

 “worth every penny”

DEAN WINCHESTER

  Lor:

 oh Dean

  Mace:

 OMG THEIR STERN FACES

  Lor:

 mrrrrrg Dean all stern voice

  Mace:

 HAHAHAHA

  Lor:

 AND THEN THE SMUG SMILE

  Mace:

 YASYASYAS

  Lor:

 excuse, am ded

  Mace:

 SAME

 I think this is my favorite phase of Sammy hair

  Lor:

 it IS good

  "cause I was sort of busy"

OMG Dean's smile

  Mace:

 YES

  Lor:

 I WISH people from the phone company dressed like that

  Mace:

 HA

  Lor:

 THAT ISN'T A CHEAP SUIT

  Mace:

 seriously, Sammy is KILLING ME right now

DIMPLES

  Lor:

 the collar with NO BUTTONS

the HINT of ridiculous sideburns but they aren't ridiculous YET

  Mace:

 YES

the little flippity curls in the back of his hair

  Lor:

 YAAAAS

nrrrrrg now it's UNBUTTONED

  Mace:

 DEEEEDDDDD

  Lor:

 omg the girl walking past him who gives him the look

  Mace:

 YES

  Lor:

 oh DEAN

  Mace:

 oh DEAN NO

 HAHAHA

  Lor:

 you KNOW it's not your dad, honey

come ON

 "like OPRAH"

  Mace:

 SNORK!

 poor tiger he’s SHOOK

  Lor:

 HE IS

 okay, Sam, you need to swaddle your brother in a soft blankie and lock him in a room. he is not okay to do this case right now

  Mace:

 RIGHT?!

 (I’ve been to Milan, OH)

 omg the EYEBROWS

  Lor:

 (woot! did you go to the museum?)

 YES

  Mace:

 no

but they have edison signs all over

  Lor:

 "what's with the quotey fingers?"

  Mace:

 HAHAHA

  Lor:

 "we're walking and we're not touching that" OMG she's hilarious but I would have to smack her in real life

  Mace:

 YEP

  Lor:

 "the moldy are calling the freshies" omg

  Mace:

SNORK

 oh Dean, sitting up waiting for the call

  Lor:

 RIGHT?

 "do what?" omg his voice

  Mace:

 “you’re my boy, I love you” aaaand it’s definitely not him

  Lor:

 he said he loves you Dean, you KNOW THAT'S NOT HIM

 HAAHAHAAHHAHA YES

 this is SUCH a creepy concept

  Mace:

 IT IS

  Lor:

 "my ass is too sweet to let out of sight" DEAN

  Mace:

 he’s…not wrong

  Lor:

 TRUE

 omg the way Sam is trying to be patient and Dean is going off

  Mace:

 Dean, eat a piece of cheese, dude

 YES

  Lor:

 LOL

they both need hugs

  Mace:

 YEP

  Lor:

 "maybe that's all I got okay?"

  Mace:

 oh DEAN

  Lor:

 "please don't go anywhere until I get back

sam I TOLD you to swaddle him. he's just gonna flail and cry and take off now

  Mace:

 they never listen to us

  Lor:

 nope

silly boys

  Mace:

 um, what little kid would just matter-of-factly answer that play phone?

  Lor:

 RIGHT?

  Mace:

 I would have pooped my little pants

  Lor:

 YEP

though I like the parallel of the little boy answering the phone that's his mom and then immediately Dean answering the phone that's his dad

  Mace:

 oooh YES

  Lor:

 Dean can't stop being a little boy here

  Mace:

 NOPE

  Lor:

 "is that a sandwich?"

  Mace:

 “is that a sandwich"

 HAHAHA

  Lor:

 "this is herman munster" HAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  Mace:

 HAHAHAHA

  Lor:

 omg stop hitting Sammy in the head

  Mace:

 Ope, Sammy and the head concussions

HAHAHA

  Lor:

 LOLOLOLOLOL

 poor Stewie

  Mace:

 ew

  Lor:

 oooooh boy

  Mace:

 yeah

this is just cruel

  Lor:

 (I assume Dean is at the dude's house. i don't remember)

  Mace:

 (yep)

  Lor:

 omg moving his hair with the knife

  Mace:

 YES

  Lor:

 omg that move with the gun

  Mace:

 YES

SO COMPETENT

  Lor:

 YAAAAAS

and hot

  Mace:

 EWEWEWEWEWEW

  Lor:

 and hotly competent

  Mace:

 YES

  Lor:

 GROOOOOSS

SEE that impaling I believe would kill someone

UNLIKE SOME

  Mace:

 HAAAAAHAHAHAHA

 oh that Dean LOOK

poor kitten

  Lor:

 RIGHT?

 HOW DID HE GET OUT OF THAT ONE?

 "i see they improved your face" "right back atcha"

  Mace:

 BOYS

  Lor:

 "i gave you a hell of a time on this one" oh DEAN

  Mace:

 DEAN

  Lor:

 "I'm scared, Sam. I'm really scared" "I know" GAAAAAAAAH I CAN'T

  Mace:

 ME NEITHER

  Lor:

 "and me"

GAAAAAH

  Mace:

 YAS

  Lor:

 "that's what you come back with? and me?" "you want a poem?"

HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 drinking together in the motel room sigh

  Mace:

 THESE TWO

  Lor:

 holds them

  Mace:

 YES

  Lor:

 our poor boys

  Mace:

 INDEED

#watchingspnagain #watchingspnagain 3x14 #spn #supernatural #spn meta #spn spoilers #spn 3x14 #watchingspnagain fraught #watchingspnagain john

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Rewatching Dream a Little Dream of Me

Welcome to “Perchance to Dream!Dean: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!

  Up today, s3e10: Dream a Little Dream of Me

 After Bobby falls into a coma that seems to have no medical explanation, Sam and Dean work to recreate the case he was working on. Turns out Bobby is stuck inside his own mind, being tormented by nightmares controlled by Jeremy, the man he was hunting. The boys go in after him and are able to get him to wake up, but they still have to contend with the troubled young man who doesn’t want them to take away his ability to invade people’s dreams. Dean gets stuck in his own nightmare where he fights back against a version of himself who claims it’s Dean’s destiny to become a demon, and Sam finally dispatches Jeremy as parallels between Jeremy’s abusive father and John pile up. In the end, Dean brokenly admits to Sam that he doesn’t want to die or go to hell. Sam promises that they will find a way to save him.

 Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here. Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.

  [and we begin:]

  Lor:

 oooooh is this the one where Dean finally admits that he doesn't want to go to hell?

 Mace:

 maybe?

  Lor:

 tentative bounce

Mace:

 poor Bobby

  Lor:

 yeah

he sure does get stuck in his head a lot

 Mace:

 SNORK

  Lor:

 "you're drinking whiskey" "I drink whisky all the time" "no you don't"

oh Sammy

 Mace:

 RIGHT?!

poor SAM

  Lor:

 "how can you care so little about yourself"

 JOHN

the answer is JOHN

 Mace:

 “what’s wrong with you?”

 HAHAHA YES

  Lor:

 FRECKLES

 Mace:

 YES

  Lor:

 "extremely lame vacation" lololol

 Mace:

 “some sort of sign of…something”

  Lor:

 poor Pittsburgh

 Mace:

 right?

  Lor:

 aw Dean. putting it behind the clothes in the closet is not really peak covering up his tracks

 Mace:

 SNORK

  Lor:

 he's a loyal little bean

 Mace:

 he is

  Lor:

 if Dean Winchester comes round asking me questions, I am angling to spend as much time with him as possible, not trying to blow him off

 Mace:

 DEAN

 RIGHT?!

  Lor:

 "permanent record" HAAAAHAHAHAHA

 Mace:

 “look officer, I can tell you what I know, but it’ll need to be over burgers and shakes later tonight…”

  Lor:

 YES CORRECT

 is he lowering his voice while he's doing his interrogating?

 Mace:

 HA! Possibly

  Lor:

 ooooof Dean at Bobby's bedside

 Mace:

 yeah

  Lor:

 omg a hacky sack reference

 Mace:

 YES

  Lor:

 serious flashback to the soccer team boys wearing Dave Matthews Band shirts and kicking those around. they got SO MAD if you walked through their little circle

 Mace:

 HAHAHAHA OMG

 “how bad could it be?”

oh Dean

  Lor:

 RIGHT?

 he's a HUNTER, Dean

 CHIASMUS

 Mace:

 “crap. Bella?” “Bella? crap."

YAAAAASSSS

  Lor:

 YES

 I was just gonna say she always looks like she's not wearing anything under her coat HAAAAAHAHAHAHA

 Mace:

 SNORK

 HAHAHA OMG SAMMY

WHAT NO ONE NOTHING

  Lor:

 LOLOLOLOLOL

 "Brad Pitt?"

he always goes there

 Mace:

 oh DEAN WINCHESTER

 YEP I WONDER WHY

  Lor:

 Right? WHAT could be THE REASON?

 Mace:

 omg SAMMY

  Lor:

 lololol SAM. she's wearing clothes, hon

 Mace:

 a boy can hope

  Lor:

 omg Sam

 Mace:

 YAS

  Lor:

 and interesting that given their chemistry, it isn't Dean dreaming about her

 it's polyjuice potion!

 Mace:

 ESSENCE OF GOYLE

  HAHAHAHA OMG LOR

  Lor:

 HAAAAAHAHAHAHA MACE

 DON'T SEPARATE

 Mace:

 RIGHT?!

  Lor:

 why are they dumb?

if this were me, I'd be holding hands

 Mace:

 well that goes without saying

  Lor:

 LOL

YES

 daaaaw passed out boys

 Mace:

 YAS

 did they never wonder how Bobby became a hunter?

  Lor:

 admires the quick, effective way of establishing what we're seeing is in a dream after the commercial break

 no

 Mace:

 oooh yes!

  Lor:

 he's their dad. they haven't thought about him as a person he existed before them yet

 Mace:

 Very true

  Lor:

 mmmm pocket doors

love em

 Mace:

 my parents have those

  Lor:

 my grandparents had them in their house

 "everybody got into hunting somehow"

 Mace:

 oh Bobby

  Lor:

 YES

and Dean acknowledging the heartfelt thanks in the least way possible

 he looks like JOHN, Sam

 Mace:

 omg Dean’s FACE

 YES

  Lor:

 "aw, I dunno, it wasn't that dumb"

 YES

 "I was thirsty!"

 "you seem a little caffeinated"

 Mace:

 HAHAHAHA

  Lor:

 "don't yell at me, boy!"

 Mace:

 SNORK

  Lor:

 Dean's emotional dysregulation gets bad when he's sleep deprived, poor thing

 Mace:

 Same, Dean. Same.

  Lor:

 RIGHT?

 Mace:

 oh you chuckleheads

  Lor:

 "cause I don't want you digging around in my head" oh Dean

the way he looks at Sam

"stop looking at me like that"

 Mace:

 so the writers think pretty women inviting them to picnics is the be all and end all, then?

 YES

  Lor:

 it's so DOMESTIC

 Mace:

 YEP

  Lor:

 LOL I guess

I mean, I buy it for Dean

Sam not so much

 Mace:

 yeah

  Lor:

 dreams on TV are never anything like real dreams. mine anyway. like they don't WORK the same

 Mace:

 correct

 oh damn. this scene.

  Lor:

 "aren't you a handsome son of a gun"

 YES

  Lor:

 "how worthless you feel"

OOOOOOF

 Mace:

 RIGHT

  Lor:

 omg he keeps trying with the fingers

adorable

 Mace:

 YES

  Lor:

 oooo Dean thought dream!Dean was Jeremy and Sam thought Jeremy was Dean

 Mace:

 OOOOOOH

  Lor:

 I'm not sure you can survive that, actually? not dreaming for 15 years?

 Mace:

 yeah I’m pretty sure you can't

there’s an actual disorder like this but the people die way before that

  Lor:

 yeah, that's what I thought

I mean, on that TNG ep they all went unsurvivably insane in like 72 hours or something

 "look after your little brother, boy!"

 Mace:

 HAHAHA

 oooof yeah

  Lor:

 "Daddy's blunt little instrument"

 Mace:

 “daddy’s blunt little instrument"

  Lor:

 YES DEAN

 Mace:

 yoicks

  Lor:

 Speak this truth about John

 Mace:

 YAAS DEAN

 oh DEAN

  Lor:

 "I didn't deserve what he put on me and I don't deserve to go to hell!"

good, Dean, good! holds him

 "this is what you're going to become!"

 Mace:

 yes, but he’s still beating himself to a pulp

  Lor:

 ooooooof

 YEP

 "you answer me when I'm talking to you, boy!"

 Mace:

 oooof

  Lor:

 I could write a short paper on the use of the word "boy" in this ep

 Mace:

 oh poor Dean

  Lor:

 it's GOT to be intentionally paralleling what dream!Dean says John said to him

 yeah

 Mace:

 oh yeah

  Lor:

 I love how Bobby brings things up with the boys but doesn't badger them about it

 Mace:

 YEP

 NOT LITERALLY

  Lor:

 "you boys better check your pockets" "not literally" haaaaahahahaha

 Mace:

 HAHAHAHA

 “dammit boys"

  Lor:

 YES

 Mace:

 that’s Bobby’s side of the show right there

  Lor:

 YES

 oh Dean

why would we share anything with people who love us

 Mace:

 DEAN WINCHESTER YOUR PANTS ARE ON FIRE

  Lor:

 RIGHT

 "I've been doing some thinking. I don't wanna die. I don't wanna go to hell"

 "okay, good" HIS VOICE

 Mace:

 oh DEAN

oh honey

  Lor:

 THE SNAP AS THE FINAL SHOT

 Mace:

 YEP

  Lor:

 holds him

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Rewatching All Hell Breaks Loose: Part 2

Welcome to “Damned DeanDean, Undead Stringbean, and Sad Poppa Bobby: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!

 Up today, s2,e22: All Hell Breaks Loose, Part 2

 Dean breaks down at the thought of life without Sam and can’t handle the idea that he failed at his one job: to protect his little brother. He makes a deal with a crossroads demon to bring Sam back to life. The price? Dean will go to Hell in one year. Sam comes back to life, as promised, and seems fine, but he’s sus. As is Bobby. Of course they both sort what it is Dean did right quick (cause they aren’t DUMB), and they each separately and in their own ways try to convey to Dean that he’s worth so much more than he thinks he is. Meanwhile, demon stuff. Azazel uses Jake to open a gate to hell. The boys manage to kill Azazel, but hundreds of demons are let loose before they can get the gate shut again. John also escapes, pats Dean on the shoulder, nods at Sam, and ascends to Heaven. Swell.

  Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here. Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.

 [and we begin:]

  Mace:

 SIGH

 Lor:

 NOW we get the song

Mace: 

 YES

 Jensen is SO GOOD in this episode

 Lor:

 YES

 Mace: 

 the look he gives Bobby MY GOD

 Lor:

 "you don't think I've given enough?" Oh HON

 Mace: 

 right?!

 Lor:

 omg the SHOVE

the way they are looking at each other

 Mace: 

 the poor baby

 Lor:

 "I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Please just go" I CANNOT

 Mace: 

 Bobby’s poor heart, too

 Lor:

 YES

 THE TEAR

 Mace: 

 one son dead and the other hurting so much

 Lor:

 those are HIS BOYS

 Mace: 

 YES

 Lor:

 YES

 Mace: 

 I can’t help but like Jake even if he did gank my Stringbean

 Lor:

 AGREED

 Mace: 

 “I just wanted you to be a kid”

AAAAAAAAHHHH

 Lor:

 "Dad didn't even have to tell me. it was always my responsibility" GAAAAH

 Mace: 

 “I had one job. and I screwed it up”

 Lor:

 "I had one job and I screwed it up" AND THE CRACKING VOICE I CANNOT

 Mace: 

 DEAN WINCHESTER NO

SOMEBODY HOLD HIM STAT

 Lor:

 DEAN BABY YOU ARE MORE THAN JUST YOUR BROTHER'S KEEPER

(Fuuuuuuuck 327)

 Mace: 

 (YEEEESSS)

 Lor:

 "what am I supposed to do"

 Mace: 

 the chin waivering

 Lor:

 GAAAAAAAAH

 Mace: 

 (wavering?)

 Lor:

 (lol. that one)

 Mace: 

 (I never remember)

 Lor:

 roaring baby mrrrrrrffffff

 Mace: 

 oh Dean honey no

 Lor:

 Do NOT DEAN MICHAEL WINCHESTER SO HELP ME I WILL SMACK YOU SO HARD

 Mace: 

 and thus starts the vicious circle

 Lor:

 YEP

 omg the sexual harassment vibe

 Mace: 

 YEP

 do NOT call his soul tarnished

 Lor:

 RIGHT?

 look, lady, if you think he's a turn off GET OUT OF LINE

 Mace: 

 HAHAHAHA

 Ooof that “Sammy?"

 Lor:

 YES

 and that HUG

 Mace: 

 YES

 Lor:

 Are important things happening here? bc I am very distracted by dean and his henley and his scruff and his freckles

 Mace: 

 YAS

and Sammy’s puppy eyes

 Lor:

 YES

 Mace: 

 and he’s HURTING

 Lor:

 YES

 OMG Bobby's face

 Mace: 

 oh Bobby

 Lor:

 And the look he gives Dean. like "oh we are SO talking about this later"

 Mace: 

 YES

 Lor:

 yeah Dean he has SOME BOOKS IN THE TRUCK

 Mace: 

 HAHAHA

You are gonna GET IT, DEAN

 Lor:

 YES

 Mace: 

 Papa Bobby is PISSED

 Lor:

 YES

 god Dean trying to joke and it's not working

 Mace: 

 oh Dean. OH DEAN

 Lor:

 yes, Bobby he is that screwed in the head

please hug him

 Mace: 

 poor Bobby

just think how much he must hate John right now

 Lor:

 "you can't tell him. you take a shot at me or whatever you gotta do, but please don't tell him"

I CANNOT

 YEP

 Mace: 

 YES

 Lor:

 omg the way Dean hugs her

 Mace: 

 yeah

 Lor:

 nope, Dean, the other Samuel Colt

 Mace: 

 snork!

 Lor:

 it's a radioshack. a radioshack is inside

 Mace: 

 HAHAHAHA

 Lor:

 who directed this ep? why all of a sudden we are up everyone's nose?

 Mace: 

 snork!

 Lor:

 "is that so?"

 Mace: 

 “be all you can be"

 I don’t like him, but he’s witty

 Lor:

 right?

 no no, Jake, the end of the world is S5

 Mace: 

 HA!

 Lor:

 shoulda shot him, Jake-o

 Mace: 

 YUP

 Lor:

 mrrrggg wee Dean Winchester behind a tombstone with a gun

WHY IS THAT HOT?

 Mace: 

 YAS

 Lor:

 the way Dean can't look Sam in the eyes

 Mace: 

 ope, cat’s out of the hellbag

 Lor:

 HAAAAHAHAHAHA

 Mace: 

 why didn’t he just make them all put their guns down with his mind?

 Lor:

 I was just wondering that myself

 Mace: 

 or have them all shoot themselves

 Lor:

 maybe there's a limit to his power?

I mean, NOW there is, but

 Mace: 

 snork!

 Lor:

 dang, Sammy

 Mace: 

 right?!

that’s probably fine

 Lor:

 ooooof the look on Dean's face and then Sammy wiping the blood off

 YEP. definitely fine

 Mace: 

 definitely

 if it’s a devil’s trap, how exactly are the demons breaking through it?

 Lor:

 right?

 Mace: 

 ooof DEAN

 Lor:

 sheer numbers? I dunno

 his poor pretty little head

 Mace: 

 maybe devil’s traps only work one way? and this one was to keep ’em out and away from the gate?

 Lor:

 oh maybe

 (their use of "ever" in "better deal than your dad ever got" makes me NUTS. it implies either John made several deals OR that John's deal was a LONG time ago. NEITHER IS TRUE)

 Mace: 

 ooof, yeah

 Lor:

 grumbles in copy editor

 Mace: 

 if Yellow Eyes were smart he wouldn’t have kept that gun loaded...

 Lor:

 right?

 PUSH HIM BACK IN!

 Mace: 

 you know how much I love this show, but there’s a lot of loosey goosey writing going on here

 HAAAAHAHAHAHA

 Lor:

 oh yeah there is

 a shoulder touch and some tears don't make the last 23 years okay JOHN

 Mace: 

 yeah, JOHN

 Lor:

 Target

he's at Target, Sammy

 Mace: 

 HA

 Lor:

 I need someone to clean up Dean's forehead

I VOLUNTEER

 Mace: 

 SNORK

 oh SAMMY

 he’s got the hurt puppy going ON

 Lor:

 "don't get mad at me. don't you do that." I CAN'T. Dean you're killing me. that's not fair, baby

 Mace: 

 “there’s nothing I wouldn’t do for you”

 Lor:

 oh my boys

 Mace: 

 YAS

 no one cares about you Ellen

go home

 Lor:

 lololololol

 Mace: 

 oh…WAIT

 Lor:

 seriously

haaaaaahahahahahahaha

 Mace: 

 too soon?

 Lor:

 "we've got work to do"

 Mace: 

 “we got work to do"

YAS

 Lor:

 I still CANNOT BELIEVE that (among other things) they did not take the opportunity to call back that line in the finale somehow

 Mace: 

 don’t they?

I thought they did

 it was definitely in the last few eps, right?

 Lor:

 do they? maybe like in the middle of the ep they do?

but I wanted like a reverse. "our work is done" or something. or "we have shit to do" and they close the trunk and they're at the beach or something

 Mace: 

 YES

 [after the episode had ended] 

 Lor:

 so, given that Dean actually did go to hell, I guess his deal is fulfilled and Cas pulling him out didn't count as wiggling out of it? cause while Dean was making his deal I had a truly AWFUL AU idea of Cas pulling him out and Sammy goes back to being dead because Dean didn't fulfill the deal

 Mace: 

 LOR, NO

WHY

 Lor:

 IT'S NOT MY FAULT

 Mace: 

 YOU’RE THROWING MY SAMMY BACK INTO DEAD

HOW VERY DARE

 Lor:

 I AM NOT

Demons. DEMONS, MACE

 Mace: 

YOU had the idea, LOR

but it’s okay because your precious DEAN is OKAY i guess

 Lor:

 whistles. looks around innocently

 Mace: 

 (I can just hear Cas chiming in with “well, Sam IS an abomination…”)

 Lor:

 (Haaaaaahahahahahaha)

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Rewatching A Very Supernatural Christmas

Welcome to “I Saw Sammy Ganking Pagan Gods: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!

 Up today, s3e8: A Very Supernatural Christmas

 Once upon a balmy Michigan December, something in a red suit is coming down chimneys and hauling people away. Sam and Dean are on bad Santa’s case, and while they’re at it, Dean is angling for a proper Christmas celebration while Sam is dragging his feet hard at the idea. They visit a sketchy Christmas wonderland, go caroling (they don’t know the words, bless them), and have a beautiful brother moment where they discuss why they each feel as they do about the coming holiday. (Spoiler alert: it’s because it’s gonna be Dean’s last Christmas.) Turns out pseudo-Krampus is a pair of pagan gods masquerading as a middle-aged couple named Edward and Madge, and after a hilarious (and disgusting) torture scene, the boys dispatch them with their own festive decorations. Throughout the episode are interspersed flashbacks to the Christmas when Sam learned the truth about why John is never around, Dean tried to create Christmas for his brother through theft, and Sam gave Dean the amulet that he now never takes off. The final scene of the episode sees present-day Sam giving Dean the best Christmas he can, complete with tree, presents, eggnog, and a football game on the TV while outside snow finally drifts down on Baby.

 Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here. Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.

 [and we begin:]

 Lor:

 Christmas with the boys! bounces

Mace:

 YAAAAS!

 it looks like there’s a bowl of potatoes on the table

  Lor:

 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  Mace:

 festive

  Lor:

 I was wondering what those were! Oranges?

  Mace:

 apples, I think?

  Lor:

 THE TITLE CARD

  Mace:

 YAS

 “up on the rooftop demon seeeeed"

 oooh, fix that collar, Sam

  Lor:

 mrrrrrg Dean in his suit and with his riiiiing

  Mace:

 YAS

  Lor:

 LOLOLOLOLOLOL

 LORD those suits are nicely tailored in the shoulders

  Mace:

 POPPED COLLAR

  Lor:

 YES

  Mace:

 YES

  Lor:

 DEAN you know you've watched Mary Poppins, stop it

  Mace:

 YEP

  Lor:

 "yeah, that's crazy." "yeah."

  Mace:

 HAHAHA

  Mace:

 SAM SAID LORE EVERYONE DRINK

  Lor:

 YAAAAS

  Mace:

 HE SAID IT AGAIN DRIIIINK

  Lor:

 "santa doesn't have a brother."

  Mace:

 snork

  Lor:

 chugs water

 "who's childhood are you talking about?"

oooooof

boys

  Mace:

 “not exactly hallmark memories” dude, those were the best memories Dean has

  Lor:

 YEP

 "a pony" SASSY BABY SAM

  Mace:

 YAS

learnt it from his brother!dad

  Lor:

 YES

 "because everywhere we go, they get sick of your face" haaaaahahahaha

  Mace:

 SNORK Jesus, Dean

  Lor:

 so perfectly twelve

  Mace:

 YES

  Lor:

 DRINK AGAIN

  Mace:

 LORE! DRINK!

HAHAHAHA

  Lor:

 LOLOLOLOLOL

  Mace:

 “we only came here to watch” HAHAHA

  Lor:

 Dean's little head shake

  Mace:

 “ew"

 HAHAHAHAHA

 Dean’s laugh!

  Lor:

 "thanks a lot, Dean. thanks for that"

 YES

  Lor:

 "that was Ripple"

  Mace:

 I love the parallels between adult boys and boy boys

  Lor:

 YES

 Sam drank all the coffee and then later in the flashback Dean gives Sammy the end of the cereal! I never picked up on that one before [Ed: that’s a different episode, of course. But still!]

  Mace:

 OMG YAS

 omg the bong

  Lor:

 "mr gung-ho christmas might have to blow away santa"

 YES

  Mace:

 YES

  Lor:

 THE SINGING

  Mace:

 “jingle my bells"

  Lor:

 LOLOLOLOLOLOL

  Mace:

 AND THEY DON’T KNOW THE WORDS

  Lor:

 THEY DON'T KNOW THE WORDS

  Mace:

 hilarious and tragic

  Lor:

 YEP

and then this immediate switch to the beautiful version of the song and the big Christmas living room set up

  Mace:

 and all these versions of the perfect christmas (both the houses where people get attacked and the pagan gods’ house) look beautiful but are awful, but then at the end Sam & Dean get an on-the-surface shitty christmas that is way more wholesome

 YES

  Lor:

 YESYESYES

 Dean's FACE when Sam asks about the wreath

  Mace:

 Dean’s confused face at the wreath question

YAS

  Lor:

 and he wants to try to back Sam up but he's got NOTHING

  Mace:

 YES

 my god those SUITS

  Lor:

 "I know. I was just testing you" pets him

 YES

 "that we're morons"

  Mace:

 oh Dean, your pants are on fire

 LORE! DRIIINK!!

  Lor:

 lolololololol

  Mace:

 SING IT, SAMMY

  Lor:

 "what will you tell me next? Easter bunny's Jewish?" hush, Dean, you love that Sam knows all these things

  Mace:

 YES

  Lor:

 "we were playing Jenga over at the Walshes the other night"

  Mace:

 “it was yummy”

 HAHAHAHA

  Lor:

 Dean playing on the thing where people are assuming they're gay, I cannot

  Mace:

 YEP

  Lor:

 "I sell a lot of wreaths, guys"

  Mace:

 SNORK

  Lor:

 "people pay a buttload for this crap"

  Mace:

 HAHAHA

  Lor:

 oh Dean

  Mace:

 yeah, and I love you Sam, but THINK. This is his last Christmas

  Lor:

 RIGHT?

bc Sam refuses to accept that, I think

  Mace:

 yeah

oh Sammy.

  Lor:

 the way Sam's voice breaks on "dead"

  Mace:

 BOYS. FRAUGHT

  Lor:

 YES

  Mace:

 YES

  Lor:

 the way they just sit there

  Mace:

 YEP

  Lor:

 is John's journal thinner than it is later? that's an awesome detail

  Mace:

 “are monsters real?” and the parallel to losing your Santa innocence

 it IS

  Lor:

 YES

  "we have the coolest dad in the world" oh, Dean

  Mace:

 yeeeeah

  Lor:

 oh baby Winchesters. it is exactly like that

  Mace:

 YEP

 Jesus, how did they grow up as functioning adults at all?!

  Lor:

 RIGHT?

it's because Dean is an astounding human

and Bobby

  Mace:

 YEP

 “oh fudge!”

  Lor:

 YES

 awww, Dean wants some peanut brittle

  Mace:

 aw, let him have some peanut brittle

  Lor:

 RIGHT?

 Sammy's always harshing Dean's desire to take sweets from strangers

  Mace:

 he IS

 stupid salads

  Lor:

 HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA

 "see? plastic!"

I luff him

  Mace:

 snork!

 ewewewewew

  Lor:

 (don't lots of people have good locks on their interior basement doors? because there's likely a shitty door to the outside down there that doesn't lock good? or at all?)

  Mace:

 (hm. possibly?)

  Lor:

 see, if you comment on irrelevant things at length, you can not look at the ew

  Mace:

 HAHAHAHA

  Lor:

 stop hurting their heads! that's where all the knowledge and humor lives!

 "I guess we're dealing with mr and mrs god. nice to know"

  Mace:

 YES

  Lor:

 "don't get all wet"

I love these two

  Mace:

 YAS

  Lor:

"i guess we'll just have to cancel the sacrifice"

  Mace:

 HAHAHA

  Lor:

 they DO look darling. but hands off, Madge

  Mace:

 YAS

  Lor:

 "times have changed!"

 "this Jesus character"

  Mace:

“this Jesus character”

 YAS

  Lor:

 YES

  Mace:

 omg the WINK

  Lor:

 YES

 "oh my goodness me! someone owes a nickel to the swear jar"

  Mace:

 “I’LL FUDGING KILL YOU”

I LOVE HIM

  Lor:

 "if you fudging touch me again, I'll fudging kill ya!" "very good"

 YES

 NOPE

  Mace:

 NOPENOPENOPENOPE

  Lor:

 the fingernail NOPENOPENOPE

  Mace:

 CORRECT

oh god, I’m still cringing

  Lor:

 YEP

and it gets worse

TEETH

 "sweet Peter on a popsicle stick"

  Merry Christmas, Sam

  Mace:

 HAHAHA

 this is too soon. i’m having a tooth pulled in a couple of weeks

  Lor:

 "somebody gonna get that?" HIS COMEDIC TIMING JENSEN

 ooooooof

  Mace:

 YAS

  Lor:

 tsk tsk tsk, you left Winchesters unattended

  Mace:

 yep. big mistake

  Lor:

 YEP

 using all that "perfect" house stuff as weapons. the big hutch, the perfect tree

  Mace:

 they’re gonna be so sappy-sticky when they get home...

 YES

  Lor:

 YEP

they should pick up some baking soda on the way home

  Mace:

 yep

  Lor:

 Dean's like full body eye roll at Sam's "merry christmas"

  Mace:

 HAHAHA YES

 oh god, Dean.

 you’ve got too much on those little shoulders

  Lor:

 Dean as Santa Claus/Dean as father

 YOU DO

  Mace:

 YAS

  Lor:

 oh Dean. disappointed that the presents don't actually work for Sam

  Mace:

 YEP

 also, FUCK YOU, JOHN

  Lor:

 RIGHT?

 "no. no, that's for Dad" over the present

  Mace:

 YES

  Lor:

 Dean's not allowed to have things

  Mace:

 and Sam choosing Dean over John

  Lor:

 YES

  Mace:

 this right here is the pivotal moment for Sam

  Lor:

 and Dean still wearing it all these years later

 YES

  Mace:

 YAASSS

 omg their FACES

  Lor:

 SAM'S DECORATING

  Mace:

 Sam hopeful, Dean’s astonishment

  Lor:

 YES

the eggnog is too strong for him I can't

  Mace:

 YES

 Dean’s delight that he got presents

  Lor:

 YES

and Dean CARES if Sam is happy with those last-second presents

  Mace:

 and so does SAM I CANNOT

  Lor:

 YEP

  Mace:

 you can’t tell me that they don’t keep those silly presents FOREVER

  Lor:

 YEP

  Mace:

 oh god, they’re both about to cry

BOYS

  Lor:

 (I also love that Sam's presents to Dean are better than Dean's presents to Sam both in the present and the past)

 YES

  Mace:

 YES

  Lor:

 that face Dean makes with the drink

 THIS SHOOOOOOOT

  Mace:

 YES

  Lor:

 through the window. snow. lights. BABY IS WITH THEM

  Mace:

 YES

   Lor:

 such a good episode

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Rewatching In My Time of Dying

Welcome to "Do You Think Sam Knows 'Light As a Feather, Stiff As a Board' Too?: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog" with Lor and Mace!

 Up today, s2,e1: In My Time of Dying

 All three Winchesters experience their own Supernatural cold open when they are rushed to the hospital after that crazy-surprise crash at the end of last season. Sam and John are superficially banged up, but Dean is in a coma and the predicted outcome isn't great. He spends most of the episode out of body, trying to beat the reaper who's after him. Meanwhile Sam and John butt heads, as per usual, and also as per usual, John goes off to do what he sees as The Hero Bit without telling Sam anything about it. We witness our first Winchester-thinking-a-deal-with-a-demon-is-the-best-option, and it has the same kind of outcome it always does: other Winchesters are pissed and sad and in the end the deal doesn't really do much good. Awesome, John. Great job, as always. But for now, Dean is saved and safe, although more emotional damage has been dealt. Sigh

 Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here. Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.

 [and we begin:]

 Lor:

oooo, it's gonna be the Dean wandering around in jimjams, I mean hospital clothes, episode

 Mace:

 Ha! yep

Lor:

(I watched an S11 ep last night where Sam references Dean and John out after vamps when they were kids and we just watched that ep where John said he thought vamps were extinct and I was more annoyed by that inconsistency than is reasonable)

 Mace:

 (I would be too)

 Lor:

oh, my beat up boys

(not you, John)

 Mace:

ha!

 poor Sammy

 Lor:

yeah

god LOOK AT HIM

 Mace:

 yeah

 Lor:

(I will forgive the nonsense of a car accident victim being dressed like that in the hospital because it looks so good)

 Mace:

 how many times are the boys the subject of the cold open, I wonder? Not very often, I think?

 Lor:

yeah, not often

and... hmm. Every one I can THINK of involves one or both of them being dead or we're worried they are

 Mace:

 that makes sense, since the cold opens are all about people dying

 Lor:

oh. YEP. they are

wow, I never... thought of that

 Mace:

taps forehead

always thinkin'. that's me

 Lor:

LOLOL

YES

 Mace:

 YOU TELL HIM SAMMY

 Lor:

oh JEEZ. hold me back from going RIGHT through the TV and strangling John

LIAR

"well you sure know something"

 Mace:

yep

I love Sammy saving the impala for Dean

 Lor:

YES

he understands that Baby is Dean. UNLIKE SOME PEOPLE

 Mace:

 YUP

 Lor:

"I gave you everything I ever had" OH DEAN

 Mace:

"what the hell kind of father are you?"

There you go, Dean. THAT'S the question

 Lor:

hold on to that feeling, baby.

 Mace:

 banged up and angry Sam is sending me someplace

 Lor:

yyyep

"Dean is dying and you have a plan"

omg, Dean is pissed at John and heartbroken and he's STILL trying to get between John and Sam

 Mace:

DO NOT PUT THAT ON SAMMY, JOHN

JFC

 Lor:

RIGHT?!

"now what?"

 Mace:

 HAHAHA

 Lor:

poor Dean. he's having a day

 Mace:

 yep. Sammy too

 Lor:

yep

 Mace:

 but honestly, that's sort of the show

 Lor:

lol. it IS

aw, listen to him rattling off lore

 Mace:

 he pays attention when Sammy talks. Adorable

 Lor:

LOLOLOLOLOL

hey now

LIAR

 Mace:

 YUP

 Lor:

"you can either roll over and die or you can fight"

 Mace:

 "you always have a choice” FUCK 327

 Lor:

RIGHT?

 Mace:

 (327? I can't remember the number)

 Lor:

it's like when they wrote the finale someone erased every episode of the show from their minds

 Mace:

 yup

 Lor:

don't sit on a hospital floor! gaaaaah

 Mace:

 ha! honestly it's prolly pretty clean?

 Lor:

Dean would only ever do this when he's a spirit, my little germophobe

 Lor:

shudders

nopenopenope

 Mace:

 Sammy's relieved reaction is adorable

 Lor:

YES

that gives me the SHIVERS even though we already KNOW that's what's happening

 Mace:

"you can't kill death" HAHAHAHAHA

Oh Dean, honey

 Lor:

lolololololol

 Mace:

 yeah, this is a pretty great episode

 Lor:

YEP

spirit!Dean framed in the tubes supporting his body

 Mace:

 yeah cool

 Lor:

"thanks for not giving up on me, Sammy" sobs

"you know, you read the most interesting things" THUD

 Mace:

 HA

 Lor:

omg that shiver when she touches him

 Mace:

yeah

the yellow eyes are so gross. sort of milky and just EW

 Lor:

right?

"we were just starting to be brothers again" oooof

 Mace:

 "we were just starting to be brothers again" omg Sam

 Lor:

YES

uh, he was in a car accident

how is that a warrior's death?

 Mace:

 well the enemy did stage the crash...

 Lor:

okay, I’ll allow it

poor Tessa. Doin’ some of her best work

 Mace:

 HA!

 Lor:

why does John do this? because he thinks Dean will have a better chance of helping Sam not turn evil than he does?

or is it bc he's afraid someone's gonna have to kill Sam to stop that and he's gonna leave that mess for Dean cause he can't do it himself?

or... wait. I guess originally he wasn't planning on bargaining with his own life

nevermind

pay attention, Lor

 Mace:

 Hm. I think he thinks it's what a father is supposed to do and it's heroic so that fits with what he's actually willing to do

 Lor:

Dean's "what are you doing that for?" like he was getting okay with the idea and then he got scared

 Mace:

 YES THERE IS AN ANGEL WATCHING OVER HIM

 Lor:

THERE IS

 Mace:

"well that's specific"

YOU TELL HIM SAMMY

 Lor:

lol

YES TELL HIM

 Mace:

 that cryptic shit is so tired

 Lor:

yep

Sammy, you tell him, then take your brother and get away from him

 Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

THAT IS NOT A POSITIVE MEMORY FOR DEAN, JOHN

CORRECT

 Mace:

YUP

it's too little too late, but at least it's something, I guess?

 Lor:

"it this really you talking?" OMG

 Mace:

RIGHT?!

"why are you saying this stuff?" = "that sounds like a goodbye" and omg Dean Winchester you sad little muffin

 Lor:

OMG YOU'RE RIGHT

EVERYONE DIES ON HIM and they just KEPT DOING IT instead of FINISHING THE STORY

 Mace:

 admission of tender feelings is always followed by loss for him and that's so flipping tragic

 Lor:

YEP

 [after the episode ended:]

Lor:

(the part of me that has a PhD in creative writing is INCANDESCENTLY peeved at the ABJECT failure of storytelling that was the finale. like, other parts of me are sad and hurt and other squishy ow feelings, but that bit? wants to THROW DOWN)

 Mace:

AGREED. I am hurt for the characters but I am LIVID at the shitty writing

 Lor:

EXACTLY

it's just especially galling that they had something pretty excellent set up and some awesome parallels right THERE. and just... nonsense. Tragic blither that ignored fifteen years of character development and themes

 Mace:

YUP. It seems almost spitefully done. Like, fuck you and your fancy story arcs and show development maturity, I want to revert back to the macho bullshit This Show Is Only About The Boys nonsense and fuck all if it doesn’t even make logical sense.

 Lor:

Ug YEP

And the thing is, if they wanted to kill off Dean in a stupid mundane way and have the whole show really just be an interlude in Sam's life before he ended up doing pretty much just what he would have otherwise (I think this always would have been a dumb ending, but if they ACTIVELY WANTED THAT), they could have set up S15 in a way that made that WORK as an ending. Something with inevitability and fate and God/Chuck and no longer being the heroes and etc BUT THEY DIDN'T DO THAT EITHER

 Mace:

NOPE

in every way possible that last ep feels like a shitty writer went rogue

 Lor:

Yep

It feels like the shitty first draft of a workshop story by a third-year undergrad who thinks tragedy and fatalism are automatically substantive and Art

 Mace:

 Yes. Who also feels threatened by the more talented women in the room and listens to Led Zeppelin because he knows he’s supposed to think they’re cool. And doesn’t actually understand why

 Lor:

SNORK

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Rewatching Crossroad Blues

Welcome to “The Weasleys 100% Know about Goofer Dust: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!

Up today, s2e8: Crossroad Blues

 The episode opens with a dramatization of the legend about the end of Robert Johnson’s life, with mysterious invisible hounds only he can see seemingly mauling him to death. When we join Sam and Dean, they are discussing the case of highly successful professionals dying after reporting hearing vicious dogs no one else can see. As the case progresses, they discover that all the people dying had been to the same dive bar at a crossroads, and eventually we get our first glimpse of the crossroads demon lore in Supernatural. As all this is unfolding, Sam and Dean become increasingly sure that John made some kind of demon deal trading his life for Dean’s, and this tears Dean up inside. As he confronts the crossroads demon associated with their case, Dean tries to get information out of her about what John did and briefly contemplates a deal of his own—to bring John back in exchange for Dean being damned to hell in ten years.

 Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here. Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.

 [and we begin:]

 Lor:

 yaaas the Robert Johnson episode

 Mace:

 YES

I LOVE the Robert Johnson mythology so much

Lor:

 YES

 Mace:

 I much prefer to explain extraordinary talents in humans as deals with demons/fey than calling it "god-given"

 so much more interesting

 Lor:

 oh YES

and it leaves the agency with the person. they choose to make the deal

 Mace:

 YESYESYES

 Lor:

 more interesting and it TELLS you something about them

 Mace:

 and it's much more logical - why would God bother to give someone super basketball talent but let children die of cancer? NOPE thanks but I don't buy it

 Lor:

right?

 aaahh boys picking on one another

 Mace:

 Ha! Yes!

 DEAN WINCHESTER

 Lor:

 lololol

 it's the GRIM

 Mace:

 SNORK

 Lor:

 wait. is the architect the same actor who played the wrestler in S...11?

 Mace:

 absolutely no idea

 Lor:

 I'll check later. I enjoy how many of the actors come back later

 Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

 awww, Dean you little hedonist you

 Mace:

 "some sort of porn site" OMG DEAN

 Lor:

 "is that some kind of porn site?" haaaaaaahahahahaha

 he only reads the newspaper

 Mace:

 technologically challenged hedonist

 Lor:

 YES

 Lor:

 I hope she asked for the SKILL and EXPERTISE to be the chief surgeon along with the position

 Mace:

 Right?!

 Lor:

 mmmm Baby engine rumble

 Mace:

 YAS

 god, I love the crossroads mythology

 Lor:

 YESYESYES

 Mace:

 I love that they get cozy enough with Crowley that they don't need to do all this, but I also miss it when they stop

 Lor:

 YES

 Lor:

 (this is how I feel about much of what changes on this show. I miss the old way but I ALSO like where they went)

 Mace:

 Agreed.

 Lor:

I just love that they bothered to put all the Robert Johnson stuff in. it's SO great and gives it such an atmosphere but they wouldn't have HAD to

 Mace:

 YES

 my goodness she's lovely in that dress

 Lor:

 YES

 Mace:

 and how she stands on tiptoe to kiss him

 Lor:

 YES

and her hair

 Mace:

 YAS

 oh DEAN this attitude does not age well

 Lor:

 yeeeeah

 Dean's indignation that Sam doesn't know Johnson's music. Dean. who, exactly, would have taught him that?

 Mace:

 HC: some girl he picks up in a bar in the south teaches him a deep-seated love for blues

and he takes it to heart

 Lor:

 oooooooo

 Lor:

 "you boys think you know something about something but not goofer dust"

 I LOVE that line

 Mace:

 SNORK!

YES

I bet Bobby knows about it

 Lor:

 YEP

 Dean Winchester. get off your high horse, boy

 Mace:

 YUP

 and I love that they include the Foolish Wish element too

 Lor:

 YES

and the idea that the demon stuck around and made more deals and he feels bad about it

 Mace:

 YEP

 Lor:

 I mean, it's not really the DYING, Sammy. that's bad enough. it's the hell part

 aaaaaas you babies will find out

 Mace:

 sweet innocent babies. they'll learn

 Lor:

 LOL

 Mace:

 HAHAHAHAHA omg

 Lor:

 aaaah #us

 Mace:

 YAS

 Lor:

 TELL YOUR WIFE YOU LOVE HER MORE OFTEN DUDE

 Mace:

 RIGHT?!

 UGH CREEPY

 Lor:

 YES

 haaaahahahahah the "beware of dog" sign on the fence

 Mace:

 SNORK!

 Sam catching Dean's foot!

 Lor:

 haaaahaha Sam catching Dean's leg and that little shrug at him

 YES

 Mace:

 HAHAHA

 Lor:

 "bowl the perfect game" DEAN

 Mace:

 oh DEAN

take notes here, Dean

 Lor:

 OOOOF Dean

 Mace:

 Again I say that this will not age well for you, Dean

 Lor:

 NOPE

 oh RIGHT he's right smack in the middle of figuring out what John did and leaving them behind

just cycle that trauma, DeanDean

 Mace:

 snork!

 Mace:

 oh sweet baby Dean

 Lor:

 RIGHT?

someone wrap him in blankets and pet his hair

 Mace:

 YAS

YOU'RE WORTH IT, KITTEN

 Lor:

 YOU ARE, BABY

 lolol the way Sam steps inside the goofer dust circle

 Mace:

 the way Sam quietly steps into the circle

 Lor:

 HAHAHAHAHA

 Mace:

 HAHAHA YES

 Lor:

 "your misery is the whole point. it's too much fun to watch" thaaaaat's the show

 Mace:

 YUP

 Lor:

 GOD the lip tremble

 Mace:

 RIGHT?!

 Lor:

 OMG DEAN

 Mace:

 YAAASSS

 Lor:

 the STUFF going on here with Dean and considering that deal. like he ISN'T but he IS and does he really WANT John back or does he JUST feel like his life isn't worth another’s

 Mace:

 YES

 Mace:

 it's like Black Widow "I got red in my ledger"

 Lor:

 YES

 Mace:

 Dean and the "violated" language

 Lor:

 YEP

 Lor:

 and the way when she was selling the idea of bringing John back she was getting all up in his space and he looked so uncomfortable

 Mace:

 yep

 Aw, Sammy. "that's his legacy"

 Lor:

 UG keep going for YOURSELVES, Sammy, please

 Mace:

 he'd make SUCH a good counselor

 Lor:

 HE WOULD

 Mace:

 YES, but also that's not what Dean needs to hear right now, yeah?

 Lor:

 oooof Sammy asking him if he ever considered making that deal

 Lor:

 well SURE but

I might be having fuck 327 feelings

 Mace:

 HA

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Rewatching Hunted

Welcome to “The Sam Who Mistook His Fellow Yellow-Eyed Minion Friend for a Ring: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!

 Up today: S2E10: Hunted

 The cold open follows a young man describing his strange new powers to a psychiatrist. He is disturbed by his abilities and not getting much help. When his session is over, he is brutally murdered by an unseen assailant. Then Sam and Dean argue about John’s declaration that Dean would have to kill Sam if he couldn’t stop Sam from becoming evil. Dean wants to just cut and run to keep Sam safe, but Sam’s not having it. A tense scene follows of Sam breaking into an abandoned building and getting blown up, but wait—it’s a nightmare, of course. But it isn’t Sam’s nightmare? It’s a young woman we’ve never seen before waking up in a sweat and a panic. When Sam runs off to investigate the death of the young man from the opening, he meets Eva, the woman who had the nightmare—who’s come to warn him that she saw his death in a dream and that he’s in danger. Sam and Eva continue to look into the death until Gordon, who thinks Sam’s powers mean he should be hunted and killed, arrives and makes trouble. Gordon kidnaps Dean and uses him as bait to bring Sam to the very situation Eva saw in her dream. The boys make it through, of course, (after a few very tense moments), and Sam sets Gordon up for arrest. When Eva doesn’t answer her phone, Sam and Dean go to check on her, but find her fiancé dead in pools of his own blood in bed. There’s no sign of Eva, but her engagement ring is on the bedroom floor.

 Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here. Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.

 [and we begin:]

 Lor:

 the use of this music here is brilliant and kind of freaky

 Mace:

 agreed

 Lor:

 the way the scene escalates as the music escalates

makes me wonder if they picked the song first before they wrote the scene. or maybe you can just manipulate the footage you have to make it work in editing

 Mace:

 interesting

I have no idea how that sort of thing works

  Lor:

 me either

I can recognize that they did a thing with the pacing, but no clue how they make that work

 Mace:

 yeah

  Lor:

 oh boys. our poor babies

 Mace:

 right?

and Dean still being stupidly loyal to John

  Lor:

 yeeeah

and I can't decide who I feel worse for and I just circle back to fuck John

 Mace:

 YUP

i feel awful for both of them

  Lor:

 YUP

and poor Dean is like let's just run away. which is SO NOT HIM. only for Sammy

 Mace:

 YES

he’s choosing flight because he’s so scared he won’t be able to save Sammy if they stay and fight

  Lor:

 YEP

and the idea that he could be faced with having to decide if he's gonna kill his brother

 Mace:

 YEP

  Lor:

 which is EXACTLY where they end up but not til season FIVE and just. One show should not luck into/stumble onto so many neat resonances like that. I mean, it's one thing if it was aaaaalll planned beforehand but

 HA! this fakeout

 Mace:

 snork! agreed

 and YES to the fakeout!

  Lor:

 I love the idea of Dean just absolutely making the road house phone ring off the hook

 Mace:

 yep

  Lor:

 oh, never mind about that drama we stirred up a few eps ago...

 Mace:

 SNORK!

 god, Sam can do the hurt puppy look so well

 Lor:

 he really REALLY can

 ha! Supermassive Black Hole

is that the most recent song that's ever on the show?

 Mace:

 no idea but possibly

  Lor:

 I mean, I don't either, but it jumped out to me as having been recorded, like, after they were born

 Mace:

 snork!

  Lor:

 DANG Sam is good at this getting people to talk bit

 Mace:

 he SO IS

 UGH I hate that they make us kind of love this girl now

  Lor:

 RIGHT?

 hahahahaha I love someone else giving a Winchester the “there's weird shit” speech

 Mace:

 YES

  Lor:

 lolol her delivery on "one of who?" I love it

 Mace:

 YES

and it’s hilarious that she thinks Sam’s nuts instead of believing that they’re alike

  Lor:

 LOL YEP

 Mace:

 “your weirdo ass” HAHAHA

  Lor:

 his weirdo ass would help you address those invitations

 LOL

 Mace:

 HE WOULD

he’s such a sweetheart

  Lor:

 YES

 omg poprocks and coke

 Mace:

 YAS

  Lor:

 "thank god you're okay"

 Mace:

 OMG DEAN “Sam you sly dog"

  Lor:

 LOLOLOL YES

 Mace:

 oh god I JUMPED at the shot

  Lor:

 ME TOO

 Mace:

 what a dummy

 HAHAHA

  Lor:

 I FORGOT about this part. I mean I remember about the later stuff in this ep with Gordon, but

 "you'd do that to my brother?" pets him

 Mace:

 I even remembered it was coming but STILL jumped

 YES

  Lor:

 lol

 Mace:

 “DUDE. WHO ARE YOU"

  Lor:

 her gesture and the little noise!

 "I watch a lot of TJ Hooker" omg what a thing to pull out

 Mace:

 I love that he calls Dean when he realizes he needs him no hesitation

  Lor:

 YES

 FUNKY TOWN

 Mace:

 YAS

  Lor:

 "he thought of it"

 Mace:

 of course he did no question

  Lor:

 "sorry I shouldn't laugh"

 Mace:

 snork!

  Lor:

 oof the look on Dean's face

 Mace:

 YES

 “doesn’t matter. it’s my brother"

  Lor:

 YES

 I love him so much I'd definitely, you know, call 911 if he got bad hurt or anything...

 Mace:

 HAHAHA

  Lor:

 species, Gordon

 Mace:

 do NOT call him Sammy, Gordon

  Lor:

 RIGHT?

 HOW much do I wish they'd made either Gordon or Victor a recurring GOOD GUY (I'd have preferred Victor, but whatever)

 Mace:

 RIGHT?!

  Lor:

 cause honestly Sterling K. Brown does an AMAZING job here

 Mace:

 he does

  Lor:

 god that silohoutte

silouhette

FUCK IT

 Mace:

 HAAAHAHAHAHA

 Mace:

 yes, Dean has the best silo hoot I’ve ever seen

  Lor:

 LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

 the way he's pushing all Dean's buttons and it's working

 Mace:

 yeah

 and Jensen is PLAYING this scene

  Lor:

 YES

his microexpressions and body language is just spot on

 Mace:

 YEP

 of course Gordon aligns with John

  Lor:

 that makes John a horrible person, GORDON

 Mace:

 YEP

  Lor:

 oooof Dean

 Mace:

 right?!

  Lor:

 god that scene. kills me

 Mace:

 YEP

  Lor:

 haaaaahahahahaha and they've faked us out again

I LOVE IT

 Mace:

 YES

 don’t worry, Gordo, he’ll circle back round and get you later

  Lor:

 HA yep

 "it's Sam"

 Mace:

 YAS

  Lor:

 the way Dean shakes his arms cause he wants out of the ropes

 Mace:

 YES

  Lor:

 the WAY HE LOOKS AT HIM AND THEN IS READY TO GO MURDER GORDON

 Mace:

 YAS

 Gordon calls himself a hunter and then holds his gun sideways like an idiot

  Lor:

 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA yep

 so this is very clever of Sammy but I really hate watching this scene

 Mace:

 YUP

I both revel that Gordon is getting his but am super uncomfortable with the idea of just how much he’s gonna get

  Lor:

 YEP

and just that image of the police cars swarming on a black man. just, we could not

 Mace:

 the worried look on Dean’s face when he realizes that now he has to worry about hunters too

  Lor:

 oooo that fog/mist coming out of the woods onto the road

 Mace:

 AGREED

  Lor:

 THAT'S NOT FUNNY, DEAN

 YEP

 Mace:

 “screw the job” Oh DEAN

  Lor:

 "I'm sick of the job anyway"

maybe in, oh, 14 years or so you should settle down with your very own angel, Dean

 Mace:

 HAHAHA YES

  Lor:

 "are you sweet on her?" that's kind of an adorable way to put that. and... old fashioned?

 Mace:

 it really is

 Dean doesn’t look a bit surprised

  Lor:

 he does not

 no, Sam, that's a ring

 Mace:

 snork!

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Rewatching Devil’s Trap

Welcome to “Wooof, It Stinks Like Daddy Issues in Here: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!

 Up today, s1e22: Devil’s Trap

 Meg calls Dean to gloat that she’s captured John. The boys go to Bobby, an old family friend, for help. (We squee.) Bobby explains that demonic possessions are way up (that’s bad) and helps them snare Meg in a devil’s trap. They torture Meg for info on John, and in the process discover that Meg is a human possessed by a demon. They exorcise her but can’t save the human Meg. Sam and Dean proceed to rescue John from the other demons. Eventually Dean realizes that John has been possessed since they rescued him (because he’s BEING TOO NICE), and a fraught showdown ensues. In the fight, Dean is badly injured by possessed John, and the episode draws to a close with Sam and exorcised!John arguing about their next move—go straight after the demon or get Dean medical help. Then: whammo! The Impala is T’ed by a semi.

 Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here. Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.

 [and we begin:]

 Lor:

 oh right. pre Carry On My Wayward Son

  Mace:

 Ha! Yep

 Cripes, the Previously Ons are half the episode this time

 Lor:

 right?

 Mace:

 the quaver in Dean's voice when he says "they've got Dad"

 Lor:

 YES

I was just gonna say that

  Mace:

 "listen tough guy" DEAN

 Lor:

 LOL

 this episode. the stuff with Dean and John what isn't actually John. just kills me

 Mace:

 YUP

and how he knows it's not actually John is such a gut punch

 Lor:

 YES

 oh boys

  Mace:

 yeah. let the 14-some-odd-seasons of fraught begin.

 Lor:

 YEP

  Mace:

 BOBBY

 Lor:

 BOOOOBBBY

  Mace:

 HAHAHA

 lookit his cute little curls in his hair in the back

 Lor:

 YES

 I LOVE that the last time Bobby saw John he threatened to shoot him

  Mace:

 he's been on screen for a whole 30 seconds and he's already 1000% times a better father figure than John

 Lor:

 CORRECT

He's treating them like adult humans he has affection for, so

  Mace:

 YAS

 while John fannies about with his Colt and his over-developed sense of vengeance...

 Lor:

 YEP

 poor Rumsfeld

  Mace:

 his dog's name is Rumsfeld OMG

 Lor:

 lololol

  Mace:

 (for the record that was a mix of quotes from Bridget Jones and Princess Bride. I am impressed with myself, to be honest)

 Lor:

 (lolololol)

  Mace:

 Dean's "gotcha" nnnggg

 Lor:

 YAAAAAS

 whatever that little thing he did with his lip there.... mrrrrf

  Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

 I want to know if John knows this and didn't tell them or if he's just too dumb

  Mace:

 again, Bobby is a much better dad to them - he doesn't yell at them or make Dean feel like he's an idiot for not knowing about how possession works. he just calmly explains it

 Lor:

 YES

 oh Dean, baby, thinking he can march into hell

  Mace:

 not realizing that he...will...

 Lor:

 yeah

 "I LIED"

  Mace:

 I'm...not sure why Sam is uncomfortable with this. I mean. Demon.

 Lor:

 is he uncomfortable or does he just think they can still use her?

  Mace:

 he seems troubled to me

 Lor:

 yeah, he did then when he went back to it

  Mace:

 always with the water and blankets

  Mace:

 like they're some sort of miracle cure-all

 Lor:

 LOL

 (if they are willing to call 911 here, for a girl who is broken to bits and they have NO explanation for why, there is NO WAY Sam could not have called 911 for Dean in the finale)

  Mace:

 (RIGHT?!?!)

 Lor:

 at least the blankets might help if she's going into shock

 the water is probably a terrible idea

  Mace:

 snork

 Lor:

 don't introduce stuff into a broken system!

 John should have lived so they could bring him round to Bobby's and then the first time he said shit to one of them, Bobby could have decked him

  Mace:

 omg the way Sam twirls the pen I CANNOT

 Lor:

 we deserved to see it

  Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

 YES

 lololol Dean

  Mace:

 Ha! but Smarty Sammy!

 Lor:

 YES

 oh dEAN

  Mace:

 yeah

 sweet little kettle

 Lor:

 lolol YES

 he's so afraid of everyone dying and leaving him alone holds him

  Mace:

 yep

 "this sucks out loud"

 Lor:

 YES

 omg 2006

 7 minutes exactly?

  Mace:

 snork

 Lor:

 is that a thing? I don't think that's a thing

  Mace:

 yeah I have no idea

  Mace:

 a yorkie, Dean? really?

 Lor:

 "I got a Yorkie upstairs and he pees when he's nervous" OMG

 DEAN

pets him

  Mace:

 FIREFIGHTER OUTFITS

DED

 Lor:

 OMG

 he wanted to be a firefighter... because of his mom dying in a fire?

  Mace:

 I suspect it was before she died, when he was still a kid and was allowed to have When I Grow Up I Want To Be thoughts...

 Lor:

 mmm. that is certainly less heartbreaking

  Mace:

 post mom-on-ceiling John would never allow for such dreams.

 you're welcome.

 Lor:

 lol. thanks

  Mace:

 hey, any time. s'what I'm here for.

 Lor:

 locking the door and the hatchet coming through it right after!

  Mace:

 yes! very The Shining

 is that Carson Daley?

 Lor:

 I have no idea

  Mace:

 (I was trying for a joke - he just looked like him)

 Lor:

 omg that shot of Dean with the joke

 Lor:

(SNORK sorry)

 Mace:

 DEAN WITH THE JOKE HAHAHAHA

 Lor:

 GUN

 DAMMIT

 get outta my head, MACE

  Mace:

 braces self for THE SCENE

 Lor:

 ooof, yep

  Mace:

 "I'm trying to thank you here" Yes, DeanDean, bE GRACIOUS

 Lor:

 this scene where Dean pleads with possessed John not to let the demon kill him? that lived in my head from the moment I saw it 2006 all the way up till we started watching it 2019

  Mace:

 ooof

 Lor:

 "for you or dad, the things I'm willing to do or kill... it scares me sometimes" THAT'S IT THAT'S THE SHOW

  Mace:

 "you're not mad?" sounds of my heart breaking

 YUP

 Lor:

 YES

  Mace:

 my god he looks so confused at the praise from John

 FUUUUCKKK YOU JOHN

 Lor:

 UG. the way it's telling him what he's wanted to hear from his Dad since he was five

 RIGHT?

  Mace:

 "he'd be furious"

oh DEAN WINCHESTER YOU SWEET SAD THING

 Lor:

 "he wouldn't be proud of me. he'd tear me a new one"

SOMEONE HOLD HIM

  Mace:

 Ha! Sammy's "what the hell"

 Lor:

 lol

 Sam's "Dean, how do you know?" it's a genuine question, not, like, an accusation

  Mace:

 SAM CHOOSES DEAN YAS I LOVE YOU SAMMY

 Lor:

 YES

 Jeffrey Dean Morgan is so good here

  Mace:

 HE IS

 Lor:

 I mean, it's not like John hasn't metaphorically been tearing Dean apart for 24 years

  Mace:

 RIGHT?!

 okay they used that "oh that's right" joke twice in one episode. come on, guys.

 Lor:

 seriously

 he just put his finger on so much of Dean. hiding behind the humor.

  Mace:

 YUP

 Lor:

 the way the demon is literally just speaking the truth

  Mace:

 i love that trope of the bad guy speaking awful truth to the hero

 Lor:

 YES

  Mace:

 SMARTY SAM

 Lor:

 YES

 ooo, and this is the first time someone who loves Dean overcomes possession in order to not hurt him

  Mace:

 YEP

 Lor:

 omg the dual begging of Sam

  Mace:

 YES

  this is one of my favorite season endings

 Lor:

 YES

  Mace:

 so BLAMMO good

 HA! I still jump every time!

 Lor:

 YES

 "no sir, not everything" and then Sam looking in the rearview at Dean

  Mace:

 YES

 poor Baby

 Lor:

 right?

She gets banged up SO many times

  Mace:

 she does

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Rewatching Everybody Loves a Clown

Welcome to “Something Winchester This Way Comes: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!

 Up today, s2,e2: Everybody Loves a Clown

 The boys are hanging out at Bobby’s, reeling from John’s death. Dean buries himself in fixing Baby, while Sam tries to get him to open up about his grief. When they discover an old voicemail on John’s phone from someone called Ellen, they head off to find her and discover she runs a roadhouse with her daughter Jo where hunters tend to hang out. She puts them on the case of a carnival with a carnivorous clown, and off they go. Once they take care of the clown (poor Sammy), it’s back to Bobby’s, more emotional wrangling, and Dean ends up taking a crowbar to Baby (and so essentially also to himself and therefore to our hearts.)

 Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here. Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.

[and we begin:]

  Lor:

 god the LOOK on Dean's face when John pulls away after telling him

 Mace:

 right?

 UGH

CREEPY CLOWN

Lor:

 yeeah, I hate the creepy clowns ones

except I love them because poor Sammy

 this kid looks so much like the child of one of my high school friends. it is uncanny

 Mace:

 ha! weird

 I kind of love the detail that the kiddo isn't actually scared of the clown at all

 Lor:

 yeah

that is a really neat touch

 oooof Sammy crying and Dean just staring blankly ahead

 Mace:

 Right?! Somebody hug them both so tight

 Lor:

 YES

 Mace:

 watch out, Dean, your pants are on fire

 Lor:

 SNORK

 OH JEEZ

it's the mechanic Dean bit

THUD

 Mace:

 LEGS POKING OUT THE BOTTOM OF THE CAR

the red rag in the back pocket

falls down ded

 Lor:

 the little ROLL

 Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

 also, not to be missed: Sam's polo over a tshirt

 Mace:

 YES

and the shaggy hair with the little curly flip

 Lor:

 YES

 the grease on DEAN

 Mace:

 YAS

 the little cut on the bridge of Sammy's nose

 Lor:

 YES

and his STUPID ADORABLE single gel bracelet

 Mace:

 YES

 and how that stupid tshirt hangs perfectly on Dean's stupid frame

 Lor:

 RIGHT?

 Bobby ABSOLUTELY gave them that van bc he was tired of Dean being a prickly mope

 Mace:

 HAHAHAHA YAAASSS BOBBY

(And Dean would make a GREAT soccer mom. And he knows it.)

 Lor:

 (YEAH HE WOULD)

 (also the bit before about him and Sam hugging? YES YOU TWO SHOULD DO THAT.)

 "naw I’m just real happy to see you"

 Mace:

 (YES)

 "I need some help in here"

HAHAHAHA

 Lor:

 Dean being all smarty and then Jo just clocking him. I LOVE IT

 Mace:

 I wish I liked these women better than I do, but I just...don't

 Lor:

 agreed

I like Ellen okayish. sometimes. Jo is the best right there. all downhill from here

 Mace:

 Yep

but I can't put my finger on what's wrong with their characters? We get so few strong women in this show, but something's just missing with these two

 Lor:

 yeah

it's like they are too conscious of making them strong, maybe?

 Mace:

 I think that's getting to it

they're caricatures of strong women?

 something like that

 Lor:

 like neither of them hold a candle to Missouri or Jody or Donna or Charlie or Rowena or even Mildred

 Mace:

 yep

 Ash, on the other hand, is PERFECT

 Lor:

 YES

and whatever Dean is doing here interacting with him is...flirting? or something?

I’m not going to hang anything on Ash/Dean, but like, they have more chemistry than Dean and Jo

  “51 hours”

 Mace:

 well he's already made a "I know what it's like to have a penis poking me from behind" joke in this scene...

 Lor:

 LOLOLOLOL

and he stops him from leaving just to tell him he likes the hair? which is supposed to be a dig but... isn't?

(which is how Dean operates, it's not new, but)

 Mace:

 yeah

 Lor:

 THAT HENLEY

 Mace:

 YAS

 no one actually wants in your pants, Jo, cool your jets

 Lor:

 SNORK

look, if Dean Winchester wants to get me pizza and play some Zepp for me, I’m good

 Mace:

 RIGHT?!

 Lor:

 "PLANES CRASH"

oh Dean

 Mace:

 "AND APPARENTLY CLOWNS KILL"

 Lor:

 yaaas

 Mace:

 Just having finished Something Wicked This Way Comes, this is extra-creepy

 Lor:

 oooo

I SAW you really liked that

 Mace:

 Bradbury can do no wrong

 Lor:

 weirdly, I snared myself a copy thinking I might read it right around Halloween and then didn't. I should read it, huh?

 Mace:

 you absolutely should

 Lor:

 cool 

adds it to a teetering pile next to the couch

 Mace:

 excellent!

 Lor:

CLOWNS ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS

 Mace:

 DO NOT tell your child that a group of people generally are your friends

 Lor:

 what the ACTUAL heckles, dude? I mean, even if you don't want your kid to be afraid of them, WHAT?

 Mace:

 JFC

 Lor:

 RIGHT?

 serves him right. I mean, clowns are your friends

 Mace:

 HAAAHAHAHA

YES

 HAHAHA poor Sam

 Lor:

 YES

 Mace:

 omg the curled lip look Sam gives Dean

 Lor:

 YES

 also, how much do I love Sam and Dean working at a carnival? the outsider stuff just INHERENT in it

 Mace:

 YAS

and they don't even belong THERE

 doubly outside

 Lor:

 RIGHT?

 omg Dean

 Sam's "not really"

 Mace:

 MR. COOPER

that's the name of one of the carnival characters in the Bradbury

 Lor:

 oh COOL

 omg Sammy's laugh

 Mace:

 YAS

 Lor:

 "Nope"

 Mace:

 "NOPE" omg Dean

 I'm sorry, but a grown man calling his father "Daddy" is skeezy

 Lor:

 ah. I am inoculated against this I think. South

 Mace:

 "live regular" OMG

 Lor:

 this dude telling Sam and Dean to live regular

 YES

 Mace:

 that's so heartbreaking

 Lor:

 YEP

 Mace:

 the cautious hope in Dean's voice here

 Lor:

 yeah

 oh boys

both of them are just giant bundles of conflicted feelings about everything here

Does Dean want Sam to go back to school or stay? Is he mad about what Sam wants, whatever it is? What DOES Sam want?

 Mace:

 oh sure, just here. only here.

 Lor:

 lololol

yep. only here

the rest of the time they know precisely what they want

 Mace:

 YUP

 Lor:

 DEAN WINCHESTER

 Mace:

 I sort of think part of Dean's anger here is at himself for being so vulnerable at what Sam's decision will be

 Lor:

 YEP

 "skeleton, actually"

 "I was just sweepin"

 Mace:

 "we don't like outsiders"

 Lor:

 YES

 their little red windbreakers

 Mace:

 HOW do they look so good in those stupid windbreakers?

 Mace:

 OMG LOR

 Lor:

 MACE

I love it when we do that

 Mace:

 YAS

 Lor:

 of COURSE they had some sort of falling out it was JOHN

 correct, Sammy

 Mace:

 YAS SAMMY

"this strong silent thing it's crap"

SING IT SAMMY

 Lor:

 but Mace, HE'S FINE

 Mace:

 oh DEAN NOPE BACK OFF

 Lor:

 yeeeah

 Mace:

 Now he's done it. Now Sammy's really mad

 Lor:

 they both need a minute

 OMG THE CHEWING ON HIS FINGERS

 Mace:

 Dean needs a minute in the time-out corner

 Lor:

 I'll uh tell him

 Mace:

 oh sure

 Sam's little smile

THUD

 Lor:

 YES

 and the two of them walking along an empty road carrying all their stuff

I love it

 Mace:

 YES

 UGH THE WAY HIS FACE CHANGES

 Lor:

 RIGHT?

so creepy

 it's a maze, just like their feeeelings

 Mace:

 HAHAHAHAHA OMG

 dude, Sammy, they're steaming so they're probably HOT

 Lor:

 LOLOL

 Mace:

 SMARTY DEAN

 Lor:

 YAS

 "I hate funhouses" CORRECT

 Mace:

 yup

 Lor:

 no he wouldn't Ellen and you know it

 Mace:

 yeah

 "Clowns?! What the..."

HAHAHA

 Lor:

 so I DO believe that Dean is afraid of Ellen, but also. that is not why, Dean. you're just not in the mood. that's okay, baby

 Lor:

 lololol

 Mace:

 agreed. and Jo isn't really his type

 Lor:

 nope

 "it's a school in Boston"

 Mace:

 YAS ASH

 Lor:

 YES

 Lor:

 and Dean's little grin. you're right, Dean, Ash is more interesting than Jo

 Mace:

 YUP

 Lor:

 oh GAWD it's the kneeling and the biceps

 Mace:

 aaand we're back with the greasy tshirt THUD

 YAS

 Lor:

 YAAAS

 Mace:

 oh Sammy

OH SAMMY

 Lor:

 yeah

 Mace:

 SOMEBODY HOLD HIM

 Lor:

 "and I'm not all right. not at all. but neither are you"

 YES

 Mace:

 YOU TELL HIM SAM

 Lor:

 someone just WRAP THEM UP

 Mace:

 and here it comes

 Lor:

 oh DEAN

 Mace:

 Baby's condition = Dean's condition

Always

 Lor:

 this kills me, him wailing on Baby

 Lor:

 YEP

and it's like he's hammering on himself

 Mace:

 yep

 Lor:

 the lip tremble

jeeebus

 Mace:

 yep

  he needs an angel in a trenchcoat to come and fix him up

 Lor:

 HE DOES

 [after the episode ended:]

 Lor:

 is this one of the longest times we see them with persistent visible injuries?

  Mace:

 i suspect so, yes

 Lor:

 their faces are both very clearly banged up and it lasts a long time

 Mace:

 yes!

 Lor:

 I just love that detail so much, where they only stay injured if it matters

 Mace:

 YES

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Rewatching Dead Man’s Blood

Welcome to “Machete Size Apparently Matters: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!

 Up today, s1e20: Dead Man’s Blood

 An old hunter is attacked and killed by a group of vampires. When Sam and Dean go to investigate, they run into John, who shares that the vamps stole an old Colt from the hunter that can kill “anything.” The boys and John team up (not without some serious friction) to try to clear out the vamp nest and steal the gun. John thinks the Colt is finally the answer to how to kill the demon who killed Mary. Bring a machete because there’s lots of fraught to hack through in this one. Plus, it’s handy for beheading vampires.

 Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here.  Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.

 [and we begin:]

 Lor:

 grrrrrr

 Mace:

 ugh, I have an actual, visceral reaction when Sam calls him Sir.

 Lor:

 RIGHT?

Mace:

 How fun would it have been to be in the prop dept and help make those hunting journals?!

 Lor:

 YES

 Mace:

 If we ever cosplay the boys together, we NEED to make one

 Lor:

 OMG

that would be SO COOL

 Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

 Dean and his newspaper

 Mace:

 YES

 "boys, we're eating in tonight" if any vampire actually said that, the others would sooo make fun of them, honestly

 Lor:

hahahaha right?

 Mace:

 Aw, Dean wants Sammy to have a girlfriend

 Lor:

 yeah

 "or oops I spilled the popcorn salt"

 Mace:

 HA!

...

now I want popcorn

 Lor:

 LOLOLOLOL

YEP

 do they keep Elkins's journal? I don't think anyone ever mentions it again, but jeez, take that with you

 Mace:

 Oooh, excellent question! I don't know. Maybe there's a CODE and you don't touch another man's journal unless he says it's okay...

 Lor:

 oooo maybe

 Mace:

 SMARTY DEAN MAKING A SQUEEZE

 Lor:

 god, Dean pressing the paper down into the blood so it doesn't move

 Mace:

 yep

 FUCK YOU JOHN

 Lor:

 FUCK OFF, JOHN, jeeeeesus

 Mace:

 Sammy smells the bullshit that John came for this dead friend but keeps away from his own sons

 Lor:

 YEP

 apparently he didn't teach you not to knock on the window like that and scare the crap out of your kids

 Mace:

 YEP

 Aha! John isn't there because of his dead friend but for the fucking gun

 Lor:

 YEP

 Mace:

 I forget that they've not encountered vampires yet

 Lor:

 he THouGhT tHeY wERe EXtinCT

 yeah

 Mace:

  (Buffy would kick John's ass so hard)

 Lor:

 I feel like he isn't even that good at his job

 (YES)

 Mace:

 NOPE

I mean, there's no evidence that he is. He's well known to demons not for his own sake but because of his sons

 Lor:

 yeah

 Mace:

 Makes Dean's worship of him that much more tragically skewed

 Lor:

 I think maybe some people say he is? but also he seems to have had a falling out with... everyone

 yeah

 Mace:

 OHO, don't question dad, Sammy

FUUUUUCK YOU JOHN

 Lor:

 and the way he doesn't tell them ANYTHING

 Mace:

 YEP

 you know, I kind of love this idea now, that John actually isn't anything special at all.

 Lor:

 god he does things to make them feel SMALL. i HATE him

 Mace:

 OH FUCK YOU SO HARD JOHN DO NOT TALK ABOUT BABY LIKE THAT

 Lor:

 ooo YES

 Mace:

 YESYESYES

 Lor:

 RIGHT?

 Dean loves that car like it is HIMSELF don't be such a JERK

 oh, Sam is driving

 Mace:

 Sam is the chosen one for the yellow eyed war, Dean is chosen by Chuck, ffs. They're the ones that matter. John is in fact nothing. and maybe he senses that and it bothers him

 Lor:

 ooooo

 Mace:

 oh submissive DEAN

 Lor:

 YEP

 do you hear that, John? revenge isn't worth much if you end up dead

OR YOUR KIDS DO

 Mace:

 YUP

 Ooooh, angry Sammy

I LOVE IT

 Lor:

 YES

 poor Dean, getting between them

 Mace:

 yeah

 "and I said no" YAS SAMMY

 Lor:

 YAAAS

 Mace:

 but poor Dean saying "stop it, both of you"

 Lor:

 yeah

 oh Dean. I just want to wrap him in blankets. this isn't supposed to be your job, baby

 Mace:

 yeah

 vampires just shouldn't be skanky

 it's wrong

 Lor:

 no

like, they are immortal, why are they living in a crap barn being crappy?

 Mace:

 right?!

 Lor:

 FUCK YOU JOHN. FUCK YOU AND YOUR BIGGER MACHETE

 Mace:

 YUP

 Lor:

 so I will never watch it again, so I'll never know I guess, but is the barn in 327 supposed to be this barn?

 Mace:

 no idea

stupid 327

WHO CARES

 Lor:

 i suppose knowing where they're both set would help

but that's Jenny, right? the woman they turned?

 Mace:

 yeah? is she in the last ep? I have blocked most of it from memory

 Lor:

 yeah, she's the like head vampire of the nest they're fighting in that one

 Mace:

 ah

 "you gotta understand something: I'm a raging douchebag."

 Lor:

 HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 you became their abuser

 Mace:

 YUP

 Lor:

 it never occurred to him what Sam wanted? JESUS

 Mace:

 yeah

 my god, Jared has a gorgeous smile

 Lor:

 YES

 I do love that they frame Sam as the one who is like John

 Mace:

 yeah that's clever

 Lor:

 "you know what to do" and then cut to Dean as bait

I HATE HIM

 Mace:

 YEP

 Lor:

 and it's sexualized too

 Mace:

 of course it is

 Lor:

 YES DEAN

 omg the way his voice breaks

 Mace:

 YAS

 Lor:

 the way Sam yells at John and Dean pleads with him

 Mace:

 yeah

 Lor:

 that's probably personality difference, but I wonder if it's also partly bc Dean remembers when John wasn't like this

 Mace:

 hm, maybe

i lean more toward personality

 Lor:

 yeah I think I do too, honestly

 I don't like the way he's dealing with these vampires either. like, it's almost cruel

the rope? using the feelings they have for each other against them? gross, John

 Mace:

 hm. yeah, but I think sam and dean do similar things, no?

we just hate John

 Lor:

 I am conveniently forgetting that fact

 Mace:

 Ha! I suspected as much

 Lor:

 lol

 Mace:

 oooh rebel Dean I LOVE IT

 Lor:

 "I am?"

 YES

 [after the episode ended]

Lor:

I feel like there was a lot of vampire lore in there they abandon after this ep

 Mace:

yeah? I can’t keep track

we really don’t see a lot of vampires

that one really old dude

and a couple of eps here and there

 Lor:

 yeah

The vamps’ eyes do a thing in this one I don’t think we see again? and that stuff about a vampire once getting your scent never leaving you alone. and the herbs stuff so they can’t smell you

yeah, they aren’t around super a lot

 Mace:

 ah yeah, I think you’re right about that

 Lor:

 but there’s the whole Gordon thing. and then that nest Dean is a part of for a hot second in S6

 Mace:

 Oh I forgot about that

and BENNY HOW COULD I FORGET BENNY

 Lor:

  Mace:

 I’m so sorry, teddy bear. hold it against me

 Lor:

 HAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Rewatching Something Wicked

Welcome to “Oh, DEEEEAAAN: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!

Up today, s1e18: Something Wicked

Something is causing kids to fall into comas and wither away. And John has sent the boys (cryptically, of course) to check it out. Through their investigation, and with the help of some flashbacks to the boys’ childhood, we learn that the something is a striga and that it attacked Sammy on nine-year-old Dean’s watch. John blamed Dean. Dean blames Dean. And now John has sent Dean to take care of his “unfinished business.” Which he does, with the help of another young boy who cares deeply for a little brother. But before the striga is completely dead, it goes after Sam. Big brother Dean is not okay with that. The boys have a moment. Also, Sam wears The Best Shirt Ever Made.

 Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here.  Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.

 [and we begin:]

 Lor:

 oooo, I love this one

 Mace:

 this is the doc who's actually a strega or something right?

 Lor:

 yep

 Mace:

 yeah this is a cool one

Lor:

the bony hand shadow separating out from the branch shadow!

 such a cool shot

 Mace:

 YEP. V. creepy

 Lor:

"because I'm the oldest, which means I'm always right"

 Mace:

 omg the little smile

 Lor:

 and then his little smirk

 Lor:

YAAAAS

 SMARTY SAMMY

 Mace:

 YAS

 I mean, I'd never have thought of that

 Lor:

 and then Dean picks up on it without any more prompting

 RIGHT?

me either

 HANNAAAAAH

 Mace:

 Is this the second time we've seen her?

 Lor:

 yep

 Mace:

 cool

 Mace:

 bikini inspector HAHAHAHA

 Lor:

 wait, hang on, kids are getting sick, so the parents are keeping them away from each other? sounds unlikely

 Mace:

 snork! RIGHT?!

 OMG THE SNICKER

 Lor:

 LOLOLOLOL YES

 Lor:

 lolololol I love how freaked out he is

 Mace:

 Yes! And I love that the creepy old lady turns out just to be a creepy old red herring

 Lor:

 YES

 Mace:

 I feel like this episode may mark the start of the shift of the show toward Dean-centric...

 Lor:

 ooooo interesting

 Mace:

 the flashbacks, if I remember right, are about him being Sam's caretaker, right?

 and his relationship with the motel kiddo

 Lor:

 yeah

 Mace:

 this one is certainly more about Dean's background than Sam's

 Lor:

 definitely

 is Dean's hair darker than usual in this one?

 Mace:

 and it sets the stage for moving Sam into more of a supportive little brother role

 Mace:

 hm, dunno

  Sam's looks dark too

 Lor:

 maybe it's just the lighting

 Mace:

 yeah

 "you know I'm not stupid"

 Lor:

 "you know I'm not stupid" ooof

 Mace:

 oh DEAN

 Lor:

 HA!

 Mace:

 also, FUCK YOU JOHN

 Lor:

 YES

 Mace:

 most important = watch out for Sammy FUUUUCK YOU JOHN

 Lor:

 "it only takes one mistake" FUCK YOU JOHN JUST FUCK YOU SIDEWAYS

 Mace:

 HE IS YOUR CHILD NOT YOUR CO PARENT

 Lor:

 no wonder he holds himself accountable for everything and abuses substances JEEEBBBUSSS

 gaaaawd the creaking of Baby's doors

swoons

 Mace:

 yes!

 Lor:

 lolol this little shit of a kid

 Mace:

 YAS

 oh DEAN

 Lor:

 oh, Dean

 and Sammy offering him the prize

 I CANNOT

 Mace:

 RIGHT?!

 UGH

 Lor:

 PURPLE DOG SHIRT

 Mace:

 YAS

 well, you'd *think* it's Latin but not the way you're pronouncing it, Sammy, honey

 Lor:

 HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 what did Dean just take out of his bag? is that his OWN JOURNAL?

 Mace:

Oooh, I don't know! I wasn't paying attention

 the fact that Dean didn't grow up to resent Sammy so much that he couldn't stand to be in the same room with him, but instead loves him with the fiercest brotherly love ever witnessed by man is just...amazing

 Lor:

 RIGHT?

the LOVE on that boy

no wonder Cas falls for him the second he touches him

 Mace:

 RIGHT?!?!

 Lor:

  "an old person, huh? in a hospital? better call the coast guard"

 lolololololol DEAN

 Mace:

 OMG HAHAHAHA the old lady jump scare

 Lor:

 the hand over his face

 YAAAAAAAS

 Mace:

 YES

 adorable, these two

 Lor:

 the LOOKS over the crucifix I LOVE THEM

 Mace:

 YAS

 Lor:

 SAMMY GIGGLING

 Mace:

 omg SAMMY'S LAUGH

 YAS

 Lor:

 YAAAAS

 A CHILD LOOKS SAD DEAN MUST FIX

 Mace:

 YAS

 oh DEAN

he KNOWS exactly what this kid is feeling

Listen to yourself, Dean

 Lor:

 the way he works SO HARD to make sure no other kid has the childhood trauma he does

 Mace:

 TAKE YOUR OWN COMFORT

 Lor:

 RIGHT?

 Mace:

 YES

 nothing hurts Sammy and nothing hurts kids

the Dean Rule Book

 Lor:

 YES

and nothing can be any kid's fault because everything is Dean's fault

 Mace:

 YUP

 just another way in which Dean is SPN's Jesus - he takes the faults of the kiddos onto himself

 Lor:

 YES

 oooof Dean. that is what it looks like when a man is using his all not to punch you

 Mace:

 YES

 Dean, I love you, but don't use the phrase "burned a clip in him"

 Lor:

 yeeeeeah

 Mace:

 "he sent us here"

oooooo

 this is a really interesting take on protecting the kids - Dean's version vs Sam's

 Lor:

 yeah

 so John was hunting a thing that goes after kids and he left his two kids alone right in its path?

 god I hate him

 Mace:

 RIGHT?!

 And poor Dean. The one time he takes a minute just to be a flipping KID...

 Lor:

 RIGHT

 Mace:

 FUUUUCK YOUUU JOOOOHN

 Lor:

 and what TF was Dean gonna do about it if he had been there?

 Mace:

 RIGHT?!

 Lor:

 "he looked at me different. which was worse. not that I blame him" DEEEEEEAN

 Mace:

 "he gave me an order and I didn't listen"

 parents doN'T GIVE ORDERS

 Lor:

 and then he passive-aggressively sends Dean to go clean it up now

 WHAT A DICK

 Mace:

 YEP

 "i'd give anything not to tell you this"

DEEEEAAAN

 Lor:

 I do love that Dean asks the kid for help and when he says no he drops the idea

 Mace:

 YES

 Sammy having healthy expectations about kids and Dean knowing kids are actually capable of more I LOVE THEM BOTH

 Lor:

 YES

 he prepares him for what's gonna happen I love him so much

 Mace:

 Dean prepping him for the gunshot is so sweet

 YES

 Lor:

 YES

 the fact he even THINKS OF THAT

 Mace:

 "it's okay I won't be mad" Oh DEAN

 Lor:

 RIGHT?

 Mace:

 so much better with this kid than John ever was

 Lor:

 YES

 awwww, Sammy

 and Dean appreciates it but they are NOT gonna talk about it

 Mace:

 and again the fact that he came out of that childhood better than John because John was awful and not as a John himself is so flipping impressive

 YES

 Lor:

 YES

 first thing he does is check on the kid

 Mace:

 yep

 ooof and it goes for Sam again

 Mace:

 "little brother"

 Lor:

 "okay, little brother?"

 YES

 oooof Dean shooting it more

 Mace:

 yeah

 Lor:

 how many kids are there in the country who grow up with Dean Winchester as their hero because he saved them once and was nice to them?

 Mace:

 aw, yeah

 and Sammy worried about Michael knowing about all the bad things now

 Lor:

 "sometimes I wish you could too"

 he doesn't want the innocence for himself, he wants it for Sammy

 Mace:

 yeah

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Rewatching Salvation

Welcome to “Truck Size Apparently Matters Too: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!

 Up today, s1e21: Salvation.

  Sam, Dean, and John are hot on the trail of the Yellow-Eyed Demon and think they have a good lead on where he will strike next. But then Demon Meg issues an ultimatum: John comes alone with the Colt or lots of people start dying. So Sam and Dean take off for Yellow Eyes and John goes to deliver a fake Colt, knowing that it won't trick anyone but may buy the boys some time. Things...don't go well on either end, although Sam and Dean do have a nice brotherly moment in the car. And Dean holds a baby.

 Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here.  Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.

 [and we begin:]

 Mace:

i love that they seem to think priests just hang out at the pulpit all day

 Lor:

lolol

right?

also, isn't this pastor Jim? the trappings of this church do not look like he'd be a pastor

 Mace:

yeah I don't remember

 but the catholic church doesn't call their clergy pastors, I don't think?

 Lor:

yeah

 Mace:

 poor guy, anyway

 Lor:

he could be... Episcopalian? I thiiink? their churches would look like that? but I still don't think they'd be called pastors

 Lor:

mmmm sammy's polo over a long sleeved t-shirt

 Mace:

interesting. i have no idea what their nomenclature is like

 YAS

 Lor:

oh my boys

 Mace:

 yeah

 Lor:

of course john is in front with his jacked up monster truck of penile fortitude

 Mace:

YUP

 "at Jim's place"? the church is his "place"? Weird

 Lor:

yeah

weird

 he makes "you got any better ideas" sound like "fuck you" and FUCK HIM

 Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

does he HEAR himself?

 Mace:

 and then the little emotional display because he wanted the boys to know how 'sad' he is? UGH

 Lor:

he dragged his poor babies all over everywhere and fucked them up and wouldn't answer their calls when they were DYING but “ooooh, Pastor Jim died. End it. no matter what it takes”

BLECK

 Mace:

YUP

FUUUUCK YOU JOHN

 omg the raised eyebrows when he sees the girl

 Lor:

YES

 Mace:

 sweet little pumpkin of a hedonist

 Lor:

YES

and just a hint of "ah. I have an in for getting info"

 Mace:

yep

 Lor:

how many shirts is he wearing?

three? under the jacket?

 Mace:

SNORK!!

it's raining and he's chilly

 Lor:

yeah

 Lor:

maybe he needs some snuggles

 Mace:

 muffin needs layers

 Lor:

LOL

 Mace:

 YES YES HE DOES

 Mace:

   Lor:

lololol

 Mace:

 Monica is adorable

 Lor:

she IS

 Mace:

CREEPY CLOWN MOBILE

NOPENOPENOPE

 Lor:

WHO PUTS THAT IN THEIR KID'S ROOM

 Mace:

RIGHT?!?!

honestly

 Lor:

go OFF, Dean

 Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

go off more than that, baby

"I'm not crazy about this new tone of yours" HE IS 27 YEARS OLD, JOHN

 Mace:

 RIGHT?! My god, just fuck right off you asshole

 Lor:

interesting how much Dean is (literally) in the background in this episode

 Mace:

 yeah

 Lor:

"it doesn't really matter"

 Mace:

 "so you think Meg is a demon?" HAHAHAHA that seems like such a silly question at this point

 Lor:

LOL

 "I want you to go to school. I want Dean to have a home" like the only time he ever thinks about them, right there

 Mace:

yep

like, maybe you should have thought of that YEARS AGO, ASS

 Lor:

RIGHT?

 Mace:

you want those things for them, but only after YOU get what YOU want

that's not parenting

that's not putting your kids first

 Lor:

and does he realize that HE is the reason his boys don't have those things? it's not the demon, it's HIM

 Mace:

 that's literally putting them second

 Lor:

YES

 the way Dean's voice cracks when he says "you're no good to us dead"

 Mace:

ooof

 Ugh, I hate that John's such a fox. It's annoying because I need to hate him completely.

 Lor:

LOLOLOLOL RIGHT?

 if he had a soul, he would (well, first, he wouldn't have done all this) but he would have wrapped Dean up in a crushing hug before he left

  Mace:

EXACTLY

but NOOOOO, that's not manly

 Lor:

nope

but that's what Dean wants. he wants his DAD. the dude who picked him up and asked him if they should throw the football around with Sammy

 Mace:

 yep

 not to mention Sammy, who gets to sit back and watch this angsty tragedy play out and also doesn't get any love himself

 Lor:

YEP

 "naaaah" omg Dean's face

 Mace:

 don't you have to be an actual priest to bless water?

 Lor:

a REALLY feel like you have to be a priest to do this

 Lor:

HAHAHA

 Mace:

HAAAHAHAHAHA

 Mace:

 #US

 Lor:

YES

 Mace:

 when John does it, it just turns to jagweed water

 Lor:

SNORK

 Mace:

 oh SAMMY

 Lor:

YES

 Mace:

 Dean needs this right now and Sammy knows

 Lor:

and the way Dean is completely taken aback by this

 Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

oh Dean

 Mace:

 I don't like Meg but I do love her haircut

 Lor:

lol YES

 Mace:

how did John not realize that they'd of course test it

 Mace:

 numbnuts

 Lor:

yeah

maybe he did though

I mean, i don't put it past him to go off on what he suspects is a suicide mission/trap and not even hug his kiddos first

little turd

 Mace:

oh yeah, that's a fair point

  omg Meg is such a bad actor: "HOLY. WATER. JOHN. REAL. CUTE."

 Lor:

LOLOLOLOL

 in a SHOCK, John doesn’t answer the phone

  Mace:

SNORK!

such a twist to the story, that

 Lor:

lol

 Mace:

 Dean with a baby in his arms is peak ovary asplosion

 Lor:

YES

 oh Dean. he's gonna need a hug after this rescue. AND NO ONE'S GONNA GIVE IT TO HIM

  Mace:

 do you volunteer, Katniss?

 Lor:

I DO

 Mace:

 so many shocking twists today...

 Lor:

SO many

 Lor:

"i don't care! I DO!"

 Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

everybody STOP trying to sacrifice themselves and leave Dean bereft

 Mace:

 yes, because DeanDean NEVER has that notion. EVER.

 Lor:

NEVAH

 Lor:

aaaand that's the complete turn around from the pilot

 Mace:

 YUP

 how many times does Dean get slammed into a wall in this show? We should start a tally

  Lor:

YES

 "sometimes I feel like I’m barely holding it together, man" DEEEEEAN

 Lor:

(sometimes, baby? all the time. I hear angels are good at helping with that)

 Mace:

 (YAS)

 Mace:

 [in reference to Dean saying that Mary is never coming back, which echoes Sam saying this in the pilot]:

(it also makes no sense either time. They are, in fact, never coming back. Why does that make the boys so angry?)

  Lor:

yeah, I dunno

 Lor:

maybe they read it as some kind of disrespect to their memory? the suggestion that it might not be worth it to get revenge?

 Mace:

I suspect that yeah, that’s what they’re going for, but the writing is weird, then. Because it’s just a simple statement of fact with no hint that they don’t care that they’re gone. Just that nothing is going to bring them back. No hint of “it’s not worth it/their memory isn’t worth it” or whatever. I just think they could have written the dialogue better in both cases to make such violent reactions make some bit of sense

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