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dwreader · 1 month

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Anne rice based lestat on her husband. I'm sorry but she always had louis stuck on that man even in the first book already its not like she changed her mind later on. Lestat was the looming husband figure. It's just so sad to see yall turn on the writers when the thing is yall have been chronically online + nursing resentment toward lestat&his fanbase and are now mad he doesn't get his comeuppance by louis having a much more passionate relationship w/ armand.

anon pls tell me when i have ever said loumand would ever take precedence over loustat on this show alsjsjajkas lmao like the ppl behind the show have announced multiple times that it’s about loustat and like primarily lestat i would argue based on rolin’s comments. literally the ONLY part of the book that i had any expectation wouldn’t be completely turned into a lestat extravaganza is the loumand courtship in paris where there is no indication that his ghost/memory stands in the way of louis accepting armand’s advances. he may feel guilt and worry over the consequences of what they did but if anything the fact that lestat was such an awful husband/mentor is what drives louis to be MORE receptive of armand and hopeful for their relationship. it makes him easier prey for armand because he wasn’t given any proper mentorship from lestat so unless you wanna enter into “louis just lied about everything” territory TO ME that’s an aspect of their relationship that should be preserved in order to have any impact (and i don’t see why louis would be lying when he’s very honest about lestat haunting him in the prior segment).

and not only is this louis’s only other substantial romantic relationship outside of lestat but this is also the last part of the entire series in which there’s any substantial writing of louis AT ALL… to dramatically increase the presence of lestat when the rest of the book series is already 99% his story just rubs me the wrong way. like we’re always talking about how this show is possibly going to work around the fact that anne never wrote about louis again after this but not even allowing what little independent story he does have in the books to be told w/o shoehorning lestat is again why this question keeps coming up.

yes lestat was always based on her husband but she wrote iwtv when she had a much more pessimistic view of their marriage and it wasnt necessarily a given that loustat were meant to be together in the long term (she literally tried to get rid of louis a million times in the subsequent books anyways) so this idea that they were always meant to be OTP4ever is just silly. the ending of iwtv works bc neither armand nor lestat could bring any passion back to him. it’s not a romance novel and even in the end, while he feels sad seeing lestat in such a rotten state and when armand leaves, he is too hollowed out to do anything about it and doesn’t stay with either of them. of course the entire series isn’t going to take that view but this season is not the entire series it’s just one part of the book that IMO is incredibly effective as it’s written without the overarching loustat otp narrative in its way.

also that woman tried to find a louis replacement in every single book she wrote and only gave up when her fans hated it and complained enough i guess. but even disregarding all her bad writing, everyone involved in the show has talked about how it was a challenge to account for the massive retcon she did after tvl. these are all choices that were made on what to prioritize and to deal with the fact that the books aren’t consistent about the characterizations or relationships. and they’re going to have to make even more decisions going forward when louis completely ghosts off the page in anne’s writing and all im saying is what im seeing so far makes me wary of those future decisions they’ll have to make s3 and beyond. (not even getting into the fact they’re shoving dm/lesmand/nickistat/etc into this season too like that’s just compounding the same issue)

#like I’m happy for u if you like what they’re doing lmao #like please enjoy #but don’t act like this was all inevitable cause of anne or whatever #she had no clue what she was writing most of the time #and the show makes choices on what to take from her writing too

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nalyra-dreaming · 11 months

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Throughout the first season the spectre of Nicki definitely haunts the narrative, and around most of lestat’s neuroses involving Louis, but rewatching ep 5 recently Armand’s presence really is felt strongly in the dialogue before the violence breaks out. Lestat is absolutely only thinking of one vampire when talking about vicious Europeans vampires of course, and while he may not be thinking that armand would try to seduce Louis specifically (although maybe?? Depending on if they go that way with armand/Nicki) when Claudia says that final bit out loud to Louis about finding other vampires worthy of his love, we as viewers/book readers know exactly what that was foreshadowing. The writers are layering things so wonderfully that there’s probably things retroactively that we will realise was set up for other thing in season 2 or 3 the writers have planned. I can’t imagine what it would be like not knowing anything from the books and then rewatching season 1 when things are revealed, and then also devils minion stuff potentially.

It will be interesting what choices they make when revisiting ep 5 if those armand ‘references’ are meant to maybe prepare us for his influence in the memories we are about to witness in those scenes 👀

Yes.

They have done their homework.

What did Armand say to Lestat: ‘You long for me and I for you, and we alone in all this realm are worthy of each other. Don't you know this?’

Claudia's comment in regards to the "worth" references and calls back to that (already), and also gives a damning judgement. I don't know if you read y fic "Laden as the sea", but I've just been over that scene - with a rather lengthy note comment *laughs*

Because yes, there is a lot in there.

I have said it there (and here), but I fully expect the throwaway, seemingly-cop-out-comment of "I don't know what possessed me that night" in episode 6 to come back, too. Later. Maybe much later. But I would bet anything that it will come back. Because they're doing the books. And... they're doing parallels. These parallels are everywhere, setting up so much already. With all the references they threw in with timeline and backstory they must have planned the next 3 to four seasons already... rough timelines at the very least.

In regards to episode 5... I think we will get another "episode 5" in season 2, I think that will call back to the first season. Whether they truly go and change what we were shown or if they only make it click into place what happened doesn't really matter to me I have to say... episode 5 had so many layers that it's hard to strip any of them off. And I don't necessarily need to see it - the show has gone to so many lengths already to make sure we are aware that it's not the (whole) truth. *shrugs*

As per who Lestat is thinking of... yes of course he thinks of Armand then, and Les Innocents, etc, but also... Magnus. It is no coincidence that there were tears in Sam's eyes when Lestat realized what had happened to Claudia. And it is no coincidence that he asked Louis to read her then. And it is no coincidence that he tried to track down "Bruce" afterwards, and kept track of him on long distance.

And as per Louis... Lestat goes to lengths to make sure that Armand won't kill Louis when he gets to him... he is terrified of the "old vampires" - the old rules. Both Claudia and Louis are not fit for the old rules.

And Armand often cleans up after all, later, too.

So yes, he thinks of Armand there. But not only Armand I'd argue.

PS: That said, if they go the Nicki/Armand route, too, then that aspect is of course part of it, too!

PPS: Rewatching when all is said and done will be sooooo interesting??? I am biting my nails already just thinking about seeing it all click into place *laughs*

#Anonymous #asks #ask nalyra #amc iwtv #iwtv #amc interview with the vampire #interview with the vampire amc #iwtv amc #iwtv 2022 #interview with the vampire #lestat de lioncourt #louis de pointe du lac #loustat #armand #loumand #nicolas de lenfent

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princeescaluswords · 1 year

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When people go "Stiles never trusted Theo" I'm like "He *did* trust him to keep his secret, he certainly trusted him more than his own supposed best friend whom he thought so little of that he assumed immediately he'd look down on him"

You and I have often joked about "people should have been bullied by their English teachers more" but it's not just a joke, is it? The reduction of media consumption to a narrow set of shared tropes has rendered almost any sort of nuanced experience impossible. The fandom sees any and every type of story almost exclusively in terms of whom can be shipped with whom. It leads to partisanship instead of comprehension and frustration with parts of the narrative that have nothing to do with romance and/or sex.

For example, that's the reason why I've been seeing outrage in the fandom for the new Interview with the Vampire over the way Lestat has been portrayed in the most recent episode. Fandom was so excited by the chance for their "toxic but loving mlm relationship" addiction to get its fix that they ignored the clear signs that Lestat's possessive love, shallow self-absorption, and culturally inculcated disdain for those he saw as lesser than himself would ultimately create unbearable horror for Louis and Claudia.

Instead of experiencing the story and what it's actually trying to say, they immediately rebel because they've been allowed to believe that consuming media means imposing their favorite tropes and fetishes on it. Due to this entitlement, "Enemies to lovers, slow burn, 300k" has become the enemy of actually being a receptive audience.

Nothing, nothing, embodies this more than fandom's reaction to Season 5 of Teen Wolf. Their interpretation of its plot is ridiculously shallow simply because that ridiculously shallow interpretation suits their needs, which was to make Stiles the victim of Scott's role as lead protagonist, rather than Stiles being the victim of Theo and the Doctors and their need to make Scott not a victim at all.

If a viewer would take off the stan-goggles for a moment, Theo and the Dread Doctors targeted each of the pack's weaknesses, of course, but not just any of their weaknesses. They targeted weaknesses that arose out of the pack's strengths as well. I could go into each of them, and I will upon request, but the pack's trust in each other can be underlined by the scene in Parasomnia (5x02):

Scott: Why can't you trust anyone?

Stiles: Because you trust everyone!

The key that the fandom misses in their need to impose their own desired outcome on the story is that both of these lines are intentionally wrong. Scott does not trust everyone. He didn't trust Derek, or Peter, or Gerard, or Deucalion, among others. But most importantly, he doesn't actually trust himself. He doesn't trust his own emotions, his own intelligence, or his own nature. It's why he can't bring himself to tell Kira about her fox spirit, because he would have to say he's afraid. It's why he doesn't tell Liam about the plan, because he's "not sure if it's going to work." It's why he tells his mother that things have changed "because of me."

Stiles on the other hand, trusts a lot of people. He trusts his own instincts and usefulness, which is why he's still haunted by the time they were taken from him. He trusts Scott's virtue, which is why he assumes that Scott would choose being morally right over him. He trusts Theo but only after Theo confirms Stiles's own initial judgement. And yes, he does trust Theo, because he works with him, he assumes Theo will keep their secrets, which is why Stiles was surprised by the wrench "where did you get that?", and, most importantly, he trusts Theo will keep his word when he offers "I'll tell you where your father is but only if you promise not to help Scott."

Now, of course, the stans will come back with that scene in Memory Found (6x09) where Theo tells Noah "He was smart enough not to trust me" and completely miss the context of that scene. Theo is locked in a jail cell in a city being attacked by the Wild Hunt, and he wants out and the only person with the key card demands to be told something about the son he's forgotten. Of course, Theo is going to say something that plays to the sheriff's biases in order to get what he wants. That is Theo's thing; that's his modus operandi. But fandom as usual decides that they need to take Theo's words at face value, as if they don't supposedly hate Scott for doing the exact same thing.

What's sad is they miss some of Teen Wolf's best writing when they shuck context in order to make the story serve their agenda. How many times have you read the fact that Derek or Peter or Theo has saved people's lives, so that means others should trust them, only to forget that this was exactly how Theo got people to trust him in Season 5A. As well as how Peter got people to trust him in Smoke & Mirrors (4x12) and how Derek got Scott to trust him in Lunatic (1x09). (Yet, strangely, Scott saving lives means nothing to them.)

Trust isn't a simple thing, not for Scott or Stiles or anyone. It's difficult yet worth pursuing, and Teen Wolf's writing doesn't shy away from exploring it. That complexity is completely eliminated in fandom's urge to promote certain ships and certain characters. They need to take English again.

#scott mccall #stiles stilinski #theo raeken #scott mccall defense squad #iwtv #lestat de lioncourt #fandom problems #teen wolf fandom problems

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thespiralstaircasewriter · 1 year

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Well, I'm not exactly an "Ask Me Anything" person by nature, so when I was tagged by @calamity-cain to answer a little question game, I retired under a rock to meditate for some time and produce my answers.

So, here goes:

relationship status: for ages with someone who still has no idea of who/what shares their bed.

favorite color: hmmmm… I’m a glutton when it comes to ANY colour. This can get irritating: it’s never just colours, but colours + matching + texture + shades + material… And if it’s all together, it hits like a train. So.... dark-red very scented velvet rosebud?

Some colours I adore in flowers, like delicate yellow/blue-purple irises, but as to wearing them, it's normally black, white or the occasional sand colour.

song stuck in my head: “Made in Italy” by Rosa Chemical

three favorite foods: although my approach to food is more theoretical than practical, which both sounds and IS stupid… Favorites… risotto with porcini mushrooms, the heretical version (with saffron), triglie al pomodoro (red mullet with tomato), any fish or shellfish recipe I don’t have to spend time cooking myself.

And… don’t ever ask an Italian to name just three foods… ;-D

last song I listened to: “Ghosts Again” by Depeche Mode

dream trip: California. I’d like to visit where the film industry was born, where it died and still haunts the place. Many of my loves from the Past and Present are there. Some at Hollywood Forever, like Rudy Valentino or Rozz Williams, but someone else in the world of the Living (they know who they are)!

last thing I googled: what changes DOWN THERE after re-assigning surgery, and how does that work? Well, yes. With respect, that it was.

... Oh! Under this rock I found some leftover answers from a past tagging by @meibruges Let's throw them out too!

Currently reading:

Tumblr everyday.

Endless curiosities I google instead of sleeping, with some recurrent obsessions, like plants propagation, languages, or types of fabric (when I’ll reach “types of ashes” that’ll have to stop, I’m told).

Fanfiction: anything @drachenkinder or @illwynd wrote or write.

Book: “Funeral Games”, by Mary Renault (basically glorified fanfiction of Alexander the Great), and “Bacchae”, yes, Euripides. 1) won’t pretend that was my idea. I found it quoted in wonderful fic “Dog in the Heart” by @thebookhunter, and got curious; 2) It’s GREAT.

Currently writing:

some obscure original narrative (nobody asked for), some Rozz Williams fanfiction, written in my heart’s blood (nobody asked for it either), some Lestat!Bowie WIP (somebody DID ask for it, some time ago, but please let them forget they did). Other: Bowie WIPs, BBC Sherlock WIPs... (may public mortification restore this pen to dignity).

Last series: Wallander. Late to the party, I know. But that was irresistibly sad.

Last movie: “Bones and All”. Guadagnino does it again: a good movie out of a bad book!

Sweet/savoury/spicy: savoury AND spicy. Sweet drives me a bit crazy in a bad way. But… what happened to bitter and sour? :-P

#question game #when animals hide

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beautifulsavagegarden · 10 months

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So, I saw a post talking about the importance of certain character’s deaths to the narrative and while I do in essence agree, I would argue that there is something important that is also conveyed within these AU’s and I am specifically going to talk about Nicolas surviving, but this could equally be applied to Claudia surviving.

Nicolas’ turning, his descent into further madness and then his death are hugely influential on Lestat and yes, I agree with the post when they say that it changes Lestat’s worldview and has an impact not just on how he moves in the world but the concern that he had for Louis during his melancholy. The post argued that removing that means the ghost of Nicolas and what happened can’t haunt Lestat and influence his actions.

HOWEVER

If we work on the basis of Nicolas surviving but only with a few people being aware of that until centuries later, Lestat has experienced all of that pain and then he had the fresh pain of discovering that he had been lied to for years and that Nicolas still hates him so much that he cannot bear the thought of Lestat knowing that he is even living and moving around in the world. For my AU where Nicolas survives, the only ones who know are Gabrielle and Armand and just imagine the betrayal of that for Lestat. Not only did Nicolas survive but his parent, the first person he gave the Dark Gift to, knew and didn’t say anything. Not just that though, they also travelled with them for a time and still said nothing.

In brief conclusion, the event is particularly important yes but that doesn’t mean that we can’t have our cake and eat it, that we can’t have Nicolas survive in an AU that could actually work and still have Lestat be influenced by the same events and emotions.

#ooc #nicolas de lenfent #lestat de lioncourt #gabrielle de lioncourt #the vampire chronicles #symphony of destruction (nicolas)#angelo della morte dai capelli d'oro (gabrielle)#the brat prince (lestat)

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fallingbyjuleecruise · 1 year

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i think a big misunderstanding about the iwtv claudia recast is that yes claudia dies in the 2nd half of the book but her story is NOT over at that point. like she comes back up in queen of the damned in a really prominent way and the lestat and claudia stuff in tale of the body thief has some of my favorite character moments between the 2. there’s also some really REALLY powerful claudia moments in merrick which amc will ABSOLUTELY try to adapt bc they’re really into their whole immortal universe thing and merrick is a mayfair. so it’s not as simple as “letting” bailey finish the season bc her story is over bc it very much isn’t, she literally haunts the narrative for a good while so they need an actress who can commit to that and bc of her long standing contract w james cameron for the avatar movies that’s apparently not a possibility anymore

#like claudia is really important and in a story about memory character death isn’t that relevant to how often they’re gonna appear onscreen #i’m really interested in seeing delainey’s take on the character bc if she can tap into that intensity #and hold her own w jacob and sam then we’re golden and i’m thrilled #i love bailey a lot her claudia really connected w me in a way i wasn’t really expecting and i think at least for now she is MY claudia™️#but i’m feeling optimistic w everything i’ve been seeing about delainey #my posts #amc interview with the vampire #.txt

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