#daenerys defence squad

[daenerystargaryensgirlfriend]

Daenerys book differences

{only the firsts three seasons}

In S1, we mostly see how badly Daenerys was treated by Viserys and then how, with Drogo's help, she proceeded to go against him and then become the mother of dragons. In the first book, we actually see how she herself started to outshine him; she started to grow as a leader and started to create her own circle of people. To give an example, there's this scene when she orders the khalasar to stay behind ("you're learning to talk like a queen," "not a queen, a khaleesi"), and Viserys gets mad at her (as usual). In the show, it's a man from the Khalasar who humiliates him and takes away his horse (Rakharo, if I remember correctly). In the book, it's Daenerys; she's the one who humiliates him using her dothraki knowledge. This shows not only that she was starting to defy her brother but also her leadership's growth.

Still in S1, in the last episode, there's the speech where she says, "And I swear to you, that all those that will harm you will die screaming." There's a similar speech in the book, but she says that all the men who raped a little girl will die screaming.

In s2, when she sends people away and she sees how her people are not doing well, she looks frightened, and she needs Jorah to tell her that "she needs to be their strength" (completely erasing her leadership moment). In the book, however, she already knows that she needs to be their strength and that she can show no weakness or fear.

Still in s2, when they arrive to Qarth, she just starts screaming in one of the seven that she will burn down cities and whatever ("we will lay waste on armys and burn cities to the ground"). Also when they enter and they don't agree to take her to Westeros, she gets mad again and looks childish. In the books, however, the seven let her stay in Qarth out of curiosity, and she's also the one to explain to Xaro how business works, showing her intelligence.

In S3, she wonders whether to buy the unsullied or not. In the book, she affirms that she wants people to follow her because they believe in her and not because they've been bought. Does that sound familiar to you? of course, because they gave that whole speech to Ser Barriston, again taking away her intelligence.

Also, with the second sons it's not Daario that guides her like it happens in the show. In the book, Daenerys is the one who plans the attack against Yunkai, giving them different information to trick them and getting the second sons drunk. Again, her intelligence and leadership were given to her male advisors.

#maybe i'll do another version for the later seasons #also the amount of times jorah needs to console or guide her??? insane #she's always the one that needs to put him in his place because he's too much #and when she tells him that he needs to be her strengh??? what the fuck??? the last thing he is is her fucking strenght #book daenerys targaryen #daenerys targeryan #daenerys defence squad #got #asoiaf #grrm

[daenerystargaryen06]

"How beautiful, the queen tried to tell herself, but inside her was some foolish little girl who could not help but look about for Daario. If he loved you, he would come and carry you off at swordpoint, as Rhaegar carried off his northern girl, the girl in her insisted, but the queen knew that was folly..." -A Dance with Dragons - Daenerys VII

"I would need to steal her if I wanted her love, but she might give me children. I might someday hold a son of my own blood in my arms. A son was something Jon Snow had never dared dream of, since he decided to live his life on the Wall. I could name him Robb." -A Storm of Swords -Jon XII

Daenerys wanting Daario to carry her off at sword point, and Jon thinking of stealing Val for her love. Two parallels of one girl wanting to be stolen, and one boy wanting to steal someone. Both for love.

"None of them had ever seen a direwolf before, he realized, and Ghost was twice as large as the common wolves that prowled their southron greenwoods. As he walked toward the armory, Jon chanced to look up and saw Val standing in her tower window. I'm sorry, he thought. I'm not the man to steal you out of there." -A Storm of Swords - Jon XII

"Even if her captain was mad enough to attempt it, the Brazen Beasts would cut him down before he got within a hundred yards of her." -A Dance with Dragons - Daenerys VII

Jon is sorry he can't steal away Val, and Daenerys reflects on the fact that even if Daario did attempt to carry her off at sword point, he'd be cut down.

Both Jon and Daenerys have a sense of romanticism in their POV's. Both are hopeless romantics (perhaps Daenerys more so than Jon in a sense). Both want love, despite denying it deep down. Jon because he's a man of the Night's Watch and a bastard. Daenerys because she is a Queen over her people and accepts duty over giving in to "girlish" thoughts.

Both had found love within confinement. Jon having fallen for Ygritte while pretending to be on the Freefolk's side. Daenerys having found a twisted love in Drogo after being sold to him as a bridal slave. Both were coerced into sexual relations with Ygritte and Drogo. Both had to watch Ygritte and Drogo die (and Dany killed Drogo out of mercy).

"He found Ygritte sprawled across a patch of old snow beneath the Lord Commander's Tower, with an arrow between her breasts. The ice crystals had settled over her face, and in the moonlight it looked as though she wore a glittering silver mask [...] "Oh." Ygritte cupped his cheek with her hand. "You know nothing, Jon Snow," she sighed, dying. -A Storm of Swords - Jon VII

"And when the bleak dawn broke over an empty horizon, Dany knew that he was truly lost to her. “When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east,” she said sadly. “When the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves. When my womb quickens again, and I bear a living child. Then you will return, my sun-and-stars, and not before.” Never, the darkness cried, never never never. Inside the tent Dany found a cushion, soft silk stuffed with feathers. She clutched it to her breasts as she walked back out to Drogo, to her sun-and-stars. If I look back I am lost. It hurt even to walk, and she wanted to sleep, to sleep and not to dream. She knelt, kissed Drogo on the lips, and pressed the cushion down across his face." -A Game of Thrones - Daenerys IX

Both Jon and Daenerys have also found interest again after the deaths of Ygritte and Drogo. Jon wants Val, and Daenerys sleeps with Daario and may perhaps love him, but doubts over her relations with Daario. Both focus on their duties over giving in to what they really want. Daenerys even marries again for peace over giving in to what she really wants.

Both Jon and Daenerys think of having children, but push away the ideal. Jon due to being a member of the Night's Watch and a bastard. Daenerys due to thinking she is barren/cursed by Mirri Maz Duur and can never again have a child born from her.

Jon reflects that if he ever had a son, he'd name him Robb after his brother. Daenerys when pregnant with Drogo's child names her son Rhaego after her brother.

Jon is the secret son of Rhaegar and Lyanna. Lyanna is associated with blue winter roses:

"He was walking through the crypts beneath Winterfell, as he had walked a thousand times before. The Kings of Winter watched him pass with eyes of ice, and the direwolves at their feet turned their great stone heads and snarled. Last of all, he came to the tomb where his father slept, with Brandon and Lyanna beside him. "Promise me, Ned," Lyanna's statue whispered. She wore a garland of pale blue roses, and her eyes wept blood." -A Game of Thrones - Eddard XIII

"Robert had been jesting with Jon and old Lord Hunter as the prince circled the field after unhorsing Ser Barristan in the final tilt to claim the champion's crown. Ned remembered the moment when all the smiles died, when Prince Rhaegar Targaryen urged his horse past his own wife, the Dornish princess Elia Martell, to lay the queen of beauty's laurel in Lyanna's lap. He could see it still: a crown of winter roses, blue as frost." -A Game of Thrones - Eddard XV

When Daenerys has visions in the House of the Undying, she sees the Wall:

"A blue flower grew from a chink in a wall of ice, and filled the air with sweetness. . . . mother of dragons, bride of fire . . ." -A Clash of Kings - Daenerys IV

Jon is the 'blue flower' she sees growing from the wall of ice, filling the air with 'sweetness'. Jon is Lyanna's son. Both carry blue flower representation.

Jon also wants to know everything there is about his mother; who she was, if she loved him, what sort of person she was. Just alike to how Daenerys wants to learn and know everything she can about Rhaegar, as she also idolizes him in a sense. Both have thoughts about these people. Jon constantly thinks about his mother (Lyanna even if he does not know yet who she is); Daenerys often thinks of Rhaegar (despite never knowing him). Both think of these people despite them already being gone from the world, and both only wish they could have known who they truly were as people and can only guess how Lyanna and Rhaegar would've thought or acted.

Jon thinks of having dragons at the Wall:

"We should have twenty trebuchets, not two, and they should be mounted on sledges and turntables so we could move them. It was a futile thought. He might as well wish for another thousand men, and maybe a dragon or three." -A Storm of Swords - Jon VIII

When Jon dies, Daenerys hears a wolf howling in the distance:

"Off in the distance, a wolf howled. The sound made her feel sad and lonely, but no less hungry. As the moon rose above the grasslands, Dany slipped at last into a restless sleep." -A Dance with Dragons - Daenerys X

Both have an association/thought relating to one another's animal sigil/companion. Jon thinks of wishing for three dragons (Daenerys' house sigil and her dragon children). Daenerys hears a wolf howling when Jon dies, making her feel sad and lonely (Jon's house sigil through Lyanna/Ned and his direwolf Ghost).

Both Jon and Daenerys dream of home. Daenerys with the house with the red door and the lemon tree. Jon with Winterfell.

Both are estranged from their families (Jon being at the Wall. Daenerys being in Essos and the last of her family having died).

Both have lost their brothers in different means. Both have had their mothers die from childbirth and never got to meet them. Both of their fathers (Rhaegar and Aerys) died during the Rebellion.

Both had arcs of leadership and rule, and struggle with their decisions and making hard choices. Jon winds up killed due to his choices at the end of ADWD, and Daenerys becomes stranded in the Dothraki Sea due to her choice of saving Drogon (and her people from Drogon) from the fighting pit and escaping on dragonback.

While Daenerys thinks of taking the IT as a duty due to being the last of her family and Viserys' last living heir, Jon admits to wanting to become Lord of Winterfell but turning the opportunity away.

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#daenerys stormborn #daenerys targeryan #daenerys targaryen defence squad #asoiaf #daenerys targaryen

[nogoodsheepstealing-greatgrandma]

#daenerys defense squad #dany defence #anti slavery #asoiaf #meereen #pro dany #pro daenerys

[venusintheblindspots-blog]

If GRRM wanted to use a character to criticize the worst of Westeros’ society, he wouldn’t use Sansa.

If GRRM wanted a mad queen, (he already has one, Cersei), he wouldn’t use Dany.

I’m actually very tired of people disregarding their importance to the narrative.

#sansa stark #asoiaf #a song of ice and fire #anti fandom #daenerys targaryen #not a targeted post I just love them both and I’m tired of the mischaraterization #will be making longer posts about them #sansa stark defence squad #daenerys defense squad

[sansa-lovebot]

oh #her fans are so nasty and bitter. can never keep sansa's name out their mouth.

#anti dany stans #anti daenerys targaryen #sansa stark #sansa stark defence squad

[distraughtlesbian]

daenerys in her final chapter in ADWD: is starving, dehydrated, physically ill and wounded, struggling with the physical and emotional aftermath of a probable miscarriage, without shelter or clothing, suffering from auditory and visual hallucinations due to the fact that she is fucking dying, is clearly still committed to her dream of peace for her people and happiness for herself, literally says in the exact same scene that “i was tired, jorah. i was weary of war. i wanted to rest, to laugh, to plant trees and see them grow. i am only a young girl.”

her antis: SHE SAID “FIRE AND BLOOD” ONE TIME!!!! SHE’S GOING TO DESCEND INTO MADNESS AND DEVELOP INTO A TYRANT BUTCHER QUEEN WHO FEELS ENTITLED TO THE ENTIRE PLANET AND WILL BLOW UP KINGS LANDING WITH NO REMORSE !!!!!!

#i’m sorry. if you couldn’t catch the reluctance in dany’s ‘fire and blood’ line you cannot read. #dany is literally like damn. i’m tired of war and i don’t want it. i’m not gonna kill little children for peace i am no butcher queen #and someway somehow anti danys STILL take every word out of her mouth as proof that she’s a murdering warmongering ravaging psychopath #maeve speaks #a song of ice and fire #asoiaf #asoiaf/got #daenerys targaryen #daenerys stormborn #justice for daenerys #daenerys defence squad #a dance with dragons #you are all so stupid. god bless

[gentle-heart-daenerys]

Daily Reminder, this blog will always love and support Daenerys Targaryen no matter what.

To the Dragon Queen!!!!

#daenerys targaryen #daenerys defence squad #game of thrones #anti got #fuck d&d

[daenerystargaryen06]

Can antis like, keep away from Daenerys please?

I'm so tired of seeing people writing out crap that Daenerys will be the villain, Jon is better, she is mad, calling her Danielle, yada yada. Just say you don't like her (because she is ultimately better than your fave) and go.

I'm also tired of seeing people giving the Starks (especially Sansa) her traits. I've seen edits of people making Sansa a Targ, people talking about how she'll get Daenerys' dragons, that Jon will kill Dany for her, etc.

Just keep Daenerys' name out of your mouth if you hate her and can't stand that she is strong, independent, and has an amazing character arc. A majority of Daenerys fans don't like other asoiaf characters, but you hardly see any of them going on a tangent about how much they hate that character. Usually it's us Dany fans defending anti hate against Dany and also defending antis hate on Dany to prop up their own fave (mainly Sansa).

I heavily have a high disdain for show!Sansa (she's alright in the books, not my fave but she's much better compared to the garbage that is her show character). But I don't go out of my way to hate on her, diss her character, write pointless metas about her going "mad", "evil", or "dark". Nor do I see any other Dany fan doing so. We don't hate on Sansa to prop up Dany. We don't give Dany character traits of other characters/Sansa. We don't speculate about how she'll die or get killed or manipulated by another man. It's disgusting.

It's also disgusting seeing anti hate towards Arya. Arya is my second favorite female character in asoiaf. She isn't ugly, she isn't crazy or some violent murderer, she isn't going to be permanently warged into Nymeria and become Sansa's; nor is she going to become Sansa's assigned assassin to kill all her enemies while Sansa and Jon live in lala land. It's not going to happen.

It is so disgusting how a vast majority of Arya and Dany fans don't do half the things their antis/Sansa stans do, yet they go out of their way to bash these wonderful characters to prop up their own fave or to get them out of the way for Sansa or Jon (mainly Jon fans who bash Daenerys to prop Jon up and cheer Jon for killing her).

We can talk about our faves without bashing another character, making metas about them that don't even follow the text, and just being outright nasty.

Do better. Just keep away from Daenerys and Arya.

#daenerys targeryan #daenerys defence squad #daenerys stormborn #daenerys appreciation #daenerys targaryen #mother of dragons #pro daenerys targaryen #breaker of chains #khaleesi #team daenerys #arya stark #anti show sansa #anti sansa stans #anti jonsa #mad about Dany and Arya being better #keep their names out of your mouth if you hate them and move on #fandom discourse

[faiseuse-d-histoires]

Sansa: I made a book. About why Daenerys is a tyrant.

Arya: wow, that’s a lot of pages... when did you find the time to write all of this?

Jon: Damn it, Sansa. We’re in the middle of a war. The Others are at our door. And you just met her!

Daenerys: You know, you make me think of the slavers, who wrote such things about me, because they didn’t want me to abolish slavery. When I made it my business to stop their business. The writing is the same.I’m sure you’ll have friends, there. If they don’t make you their slave first.

Missandei: And believe me, they’re not gentle with their slaves. And they would have laughed at you if you demanded freedom, especially if you have nothing to give in return but crumbs of food from your table. But if you want, I could teach you the word ‘tyrant’ in more than fifty languages.

Tyrion: Are you out of your mind, lady wife? Don’t you know that a tyrant would have cut your tongue for ever whispering about it? Or have you forgotten Joffrey?

#got crack #got incorrect quotes #incorrect game of thrones quotes #I guess the actuality inspired me #anti dany bs #daenerys deserved better #daenerys defence squad

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#daenerys targaryen #daenerys targaryen defence squad #asoiaf #dragon #drogon #viserion #rhaegal

[nogoodsheepstealing-greatgrandma]

Daenerys is 14

And she does stay in Slavers Bay and try to rebuild the economy. Source: A Dance With Dragons.

She spends much of the book trying to negotiate new trade deals with the Lhazarene and the Qartheen, trying to plant new olive groves and bean fields, trying to reform the guilds membership so former slaves can earn proper wages as skilled craftsmen. She tries to assimilate with Meereenese culture to ease a peaceful transition of power, she consults with their priestess, she adopts their religious rites and their uncomfortable traditional dress, she agrees under pressure to marry a Meereenese noble (she doesn't force anyone into marriage at dragonpoint like in the show). And she goes out personally to feed and care for the sick and starving refugees at her door, she tries to set up quarantine zones to slow the spread of infection.

And yeah she falls short. But the odds are stacked against her. She's 14, for starters. And before she arrived the slavers burnt all the olive groves and salted the soil so she couldn't use them, and as she calculates it will take 30 years before the land will be truly productive again. She also has the Meereenese slaving class working very hard to sabotage her by funding domestic terrorism within the city. And she has to deal with a refugee crisis, a famine, a plague, and an alliance of pro-Slavery states forming a blockade around Meereen and threatening to siege the city.

True the refugee crisis is arguably due to her leaving Astapor. She set up a new government, but she should have stayed longer to consolidate it. But she is only 14, and her main adviser/parental figure is too busy being a pro-slavery pedophile.

And the fall of Astapor isn't completely on her shoulders. She left adults in charge, people with qualifications and who knew the land and people better than she did. They had political agency and responsibility. As did Cleon. He could have chosen not to overthrow the Council and name himself King. He could have chosen to heed Daenerys when she told him "don't start a war with the Yunkai". And the Yunkai could have chosen not to slaughter Astapor and chase the refugees to Meereen. They could have simply removed Cleon and then recognised Daenerys had no part in his actions. The Yunkai could have chosen not to then declare war on Meereen.

The institution of slavery is complicated to overthrow and complicated to replace and even complicated in the ways it reasserts itself. Daenerys isn't the only actor here who determines the fate of Slavers Bay (though if she unleashes her dragons she can certainly become the most decisive actor again). The entire point of ADWD is that it's much more complicated than that - its GRRM's answer to "what was Aragorn's tax policy?". She is a 14 year old child who does her best against impossible odds, and who explicitly puts any dreams of Westeros on hold indefinitely. Time and time again she is offered the chance and means to sail for Westeros, and she turns it down each time because she knows she can't leave the people of Meereen behind to die.

And hopefully the lesson she learns by the end of ADWD is that she has to stop being conciliatory towards the slaving class. She spares the lives of hostages, she opens the fighting pits for them, she gives up her body in marriage, and still they try to poison her to install Hizdhar as King. Mercy isn't a weakness, but the people who have a vested interest in slavery aren't going to stop just because you ask them nicely (like that garbage show GOT seems to think). She's got to use her dragons.

No, critiquing her failures isn't the same as defending slavery. But claiming that she never tried, and ignoring the odds stacked against her, is false. As for blaming her for Slavers Bay falling into chaos and suffering... First off, again, she isn't the only responsible actor with agency - I maintain that the fall of Astapor was pretty much out of her hands. And second, it ignores the massive scale of human suffering that already gripped slavers bay. The daily violence inflicted on slaves - the families torn apart, the lives destroyed, the children mutilated, the thousands of dead babies killed to initiate the Unsullied, the tortures and crucifixions and whippings and executions and rapes.

Ignoring that isn't that far off from defending slavery. Claiming that the violence that overthrew slavery is worse than the violence that is slavery isn't that far off from defending slavery. Should no one ever dare strike off a slaves chains just because they can't account for the violence that could come after? Is the crucifixion of child-murdering Slavers worse than the crucifixion of innocent children?

Or to bring up another literary scenario with more moral equivalency and ambiguity - was the Tenth plague upon the firstborns of Egypt worse than the mass culling of infant slaves? Who do you blame for the Ten Plagues of Egypt? Should Moses have left well enough alone?

#fandom nonsense #daenerys targaryen #asoiaf #valyrianscrolls #breaker of chains #daenerys defense squad #meereen #daenerys meta #dany meta #dany #dany defence squad #pro daenerys #pro daenerys targaryen #anti got

[pastel-cloud-hoe]

MISTAGGED FANFICTIONS

I know writer are allowed to do whatever they want with their works, but there’s this fic I was reading where Dany during a trial by combat name Drogon as her champion to fight against Brienne. DROGON FOR FUCK’S SAKE! If someone uses the “Daenerys is not a Mad Queen” tag, then don’t make her look like her MAD FATHER WHO USED WILDFIRE AS A CHAMPION or when she adamantly defended her father against Jaime while we all know that it was just s8 bullshits and she knew all the horrors he did. It was a good story, but when I read this I just ... it doesn’t feel right. He should have tagged “dark dany”. Now it feels like he’s writing a “daenerys bashing” fic, the worst is that he justified it by saying Dany did dark things in the books. Sorry but this is not dark, this is the Mad Queen come again. 

#daenerys defence squad #writer who don't know how to tag #daenerys is NOTHING like her father

[thewokedragon]

WELL I’M SORRY! I DIDNT KNOW DANY WAS A BULL WITH X-RAY VISION. DAMN I FEEL LIKE A FOOL. I TAKE BACK EVERYTHING I SAID ABOUT SEASON 8. D&D ARE MASTER STORYTELLERS

#what a fool ive been #daenerys targaryen #anti got #game of thrones #asoiaf #daenerys defence squad

[alrightsnaps]

#daenerys targaryen #daenerys defence squad #i stand by daenerys

[reignof-fyre]

I am so sick of people claiming that Daenerys is mad because of her reaction to Viserys' death. That it was the first piece of "evidence" pointing towards her madness, which is blatantly false. It's just a plot device used by D&D to excuse bad writing.

When Arya killed Walder Frey, everyone cheered her as a Girl Boss despite the sadistic glee on her face.

Not to mention the fact that she carved his sons up, baked them into a pie, and made him eat them unwittingly. Then she wore dead Walder's face and killed his entire family.

Moving on to Sansa, when she kills Ramsay, which is also cheered as a Girl Boss Moment, and it is because she kills her abuser, but no one claims madness when she smirks as she listens to his own hounds ripping him apart.

Now onto Daenerys, who's expression when Viserys is killed is this:

Completely blank and emotionless. Shock, I'd say, watching her (abusive) brother die. And canonically, in the books, she grieves for her brother (or the boy he used to be).

What I'd like to know is this: why, when the Stark sisters kill men for vengeance or 'justice', do people cheer them as Girl Bosses, but when Daenerys did it it's a sign of madness?

I'll tell you.

Walder Frey orchestrated the Red Wedding which lead to Catelyn and Robb's deaths, and Arya claimed justice and vengeance for that when she killed him. The audience accepted that.

Ramsay abused and raped Sansa, and she fed him alive to his own starving hounds. The audience accepted that as the vengeance and justice it was.

But when Daenerys watches, blank faced and emotionless, as her abusive brother (he told her he'd allow 40,000 men and their horses rape her for the Iron Throne) dies, it's madness?

How does that compute in people's minds? I'd truly like to know, because I was quite uncomfortable throughout watching Arya decimate the Frey's like she did, and even now just thinking about it I feel nauseous. Sansa I cheered on because it was quite the poetic justice, but her little smirk made me cringe a bit ngl.

The double standard between the Stark girls and Dany is glaringly obvious. The Starks feed a man his own sons and wipe a house off the map or feed a man to his dogs, which would take time, and the girl who burns men alive (deservedly), which would be quite swift considering that Balerion's fire melted stone, is insane for doing so?

There's no logic in the argument that Dany's reaction to Viserys' death = first sign of madness and Arya and Sansa's reactions to they Frey's and Ramsay's deaths = Girl Boss Moments.

Daenerys is vilified as mad because of her family's reputation (even though only 6 Targaryen’s could actually be claimed as mad out of hundreds) (AND BAD WRITING) and the Starks are praised as honourable people merely because of Ned Stark's reputation when GRRM has said that Ned was one of a kind and other Starks have been quite ruthless and bloodthirsty (Brandon of the Bloody Blade, Theon the "Hungry Wolf", etc).

#daenerys #daenerys defence squad #sansa stark #arya stark #daenerys targaryen #walder frey #ramsay bolton #ramsay snow #viserys targaryen #also dont get me started on how arya killed meryn trant #torturing him like she did #was overkill #quite literally