#horrifically selfish

[offkilterkeys]

i imagine you have a vault of unreleased content that you don't get around to posting for relatable reasons. if you do i humbly ask that you grace me with something. anything! close your eyes and pick a file? let fate decide. if you made it i'll like it, that's the point anyway

I’ve posted some panels or pieces of these but never the entire sequence on here I don’t think, so but this is one of the only substantial things I’d say I’ve kept in a vault.

I feel like compared to my newer stuff these look super rough, but they were really good practice.

These have pesterlogs that go with them but this post is already huge so eh. This was set to occur a couple hours after Caliborn’s masterpiece, so Roxy and Dirk are talking about Halquius’s heroic sacrifice/death. Davepeta and Dirk continue that line of conversation, while Roxy is pulled into an argument about self control as I bum everyone out by reminding them that Jasprose never actual stopped being an alcoholic.

#homestuck #rose lalonde #roxy lalonde #jasprosesprite^2 #davepetasprite #dirk strider #and Roxy was gonna bring it up cause she think he’s being weird for doing that #This was mostly just me messing around with the sprite^2s and fleshing them out #Also expanding upon Jasprose and Rose’s relationship cause I think it could be sooooo silly #anyway the last Jasprose panel intentionally looks like the scene in trickster mode where Dirk scolds Roxy for getting Drunk #Jasprose is all “you just hate me cause I remind you of mom #and Rose is like “No I hate you because you’re literally a worse #less articulate #horrifically selfish #version of me!” #Dirk asks Davepeta if they want a hug #cause of the whole brother/moirail death #and to both of their surprise they say no #that’s why they fist bump #The Lalonde’s conversation is left on a cliffhanger while Dirk dips out in order to do some soul searching #also the sprites not glowing anymore was a conscious decision #it’s meant to imply that now that they’re out of the medium they’re slowly losing their game construct-ness #also also Dirk’s house being in the middle of the ocean was a conscious decision #he put it there even though everyone else used Jade’s powers to have their houses move from their planets to Can Town #Roxy brings it up before they’re interrupted #anyway sorry for using this ask as an excuse to share old content I am just always brainrotting

[rogueddie]

Noah Schnapp and Shawn Levy all signed the no hostage left behind letter.

The letter is full of celebrities names, but i wanted to highlight the ones tied to stranger things. I am not optimistic enough to believe that this is any indication that other members don't agree.

The real kick is that the letter is pointless. The media made the "mistake" of allowing a recently released Hamas hostage speak live on the news.

She revealed that she, and the other hostages, were treated well. She spoke of reassurances that Hamas gave her, telling her that she wouldn't be harmed. They made sure the hostages were well fed and cared for. They were sharing their own food.

This is the same terror group that Israel is using as an excuse to commit genocide. Not only are they bombing Gaza, explicitly aiming for anyone (including civilians), they are also bombing the west bank.

47% of the population of Gaza are children. The hospitals are going to run out of power any hour now. The west bank has literally nothing to do with Hamas. They're only being targeted because they're Palestinians.

If you still support Israel, or are still under the illusion that Palestinian people are the villains, you aren't paying attention.

#ive been scheduling my posts bc im pretty sure ill have a horrible meltdown if i don't have my routine #i know thats a selfish thing to say right now but its what i need to do. sorry (genuinely) #stranger things #noah schnapp #palestine #also want to note that i am not confident enough to speak kn this too much at risk of spreading old or wrong information #im an idiot with a blog. but this situation is horrific and celebrities endorsing it in any way... fuck em straight to hell

[antianakin]

It's really depressing that the only real Jedi centric and Jedi positive show in existence is written for preschoolers, while many of the more "adult" shows are edgy and about morally ambiguous or straight-up evil characters. As if lessons about being kind and selfless are somehow not important or relevant to adults just as much if not more than they are to children.

It feels like characters who are unambiguously good are seen as only enjoyable by the very young and adult viewers will only actually appreciate characters who are cruel and selfish (and the requisite "tragic backstory" that always goes with it to help excuse their cruel and selfish choices).

It's just really sad and disappointing.

#star wars #listen i love andor #i really do #but i'm seeing a pattern of shows aimed at older audiences always always ALWAYS having moral ambiguity as a central theme #the good ones like andor always keep in mind that these people are doing awful things #they're not necessarily heroes even tho they're on the right side #the bad ones like ahsoka and acolyte find ways to send the message that being selfish is actually the right thing to do sometimes #i'm just so tired of the jedi getting relegated to the side because no one can see nuance in unambiguously good people #like at best they are just not there at all #at worst they are turned into the villains specifically for refusing to stop practicing their culture even in the face of persecution #give me my adult jedi show #GIVE ME THE REVA SPIN-OFF I DESERVE #STOP GIVING ME THIS JEDI CRITICAL BULLSHIT #IT'S ALL HORRIFICALLY BAD #I DON'T CARE HOW GOOD YOUR CGI IS THE STORY IS NO LONGER STAR WARS IF YOU HATE THE JEDI #GO MAKE YOUR OWN SCI FI IF YOU CAN'T RESPECT THE JEDI

[uncanny-tranny]

In discussions about mental health, I am so tired of the only voices mattering being other people or other people who do not deal with a condition/disorder or a specific situation.

"Here's how I deal with loved ones with [x] condition!"

"If you do [y] because of [x mental health reason], you're selfish and everybody who loves you is having their lives made harder by you!"

"If your symptoms are [z], you're gross, and you deserve no sympathy for struggling"

I understand to an extent why people do this, but holy hell, as somebody who struggles and struggles often, the last thing any of us need to be told is that we're a burden that others have to carry. And it's terrible how everybody else's feelings but ours matter - even if we are the ones most affected by our condition or situation.

If you are dealing with issues surrounding your mental health and well-being, know that everything above isn't true; you are worthy of patience, understanding, kindness, and love. You are worthy of being listened to without judgment. You don't have to apologize or "make up" for who you are or what you struggle with.

#mental health #mental health advocacy #sanism #sanism tw #ableism #ableism tw #since when do we just go 'you're sick? well I'M more affected by YOUR illness than YOU are so my voice matters MORE' #i'm actually genuinely angry that people think saying stuff like that is appropriate #and when i say 'deal with' i mean when people treat those they say they love like a burden #simultaneously discussions about mental health have gotten better and have stay horrific and lack compassion or nuance #like people have more words to describe mental health but they cling to their disgust for us ~insanes~ like it's a lifeline #TW FOR MENTIONS OF SUIDIDE AFTER THIS TAG #when i actively wanted to take my life being told that i was selfish did NOT help. it made the desires STRONGER #because i had something ELSE to use to justify why my death was imperative. if i was selfish then why do i deserve others? #do you see why these discussions are harmful at *best* and can be the final factor in a decision like that? #sure. maybe those discussions alone won't be what pushes somebody to pass like that. #but it will have contributed to the demonization of mentally ill people #those discussions aren't going to save us from suicidality or something equally seen as drastic #videos like abigail thorn's cosmonaut video were actually way *more* helpful because she was compassionate #she provided compassion and empathy and was vulnerable enough to share her *own* experiences #i think i'm going to re-watch it for the....... 500th time #i'm so glad she kept her old videos up. this one is one of my favourites #heavy watch but i forever will be grateful to her and the others who helped me out of that pit

[pillowprincessvarric]

In general I feel that people often fail to take into account The Extremeness Of The Situation when analyzing character flaws.

#is this character being horrifically selfish or are they just a normal amount of selfish and also in an objectively fucked up situation?

[fair-dinkum-mechanic]

so here's the thing do we think there's something wrong with the way society and especially media directed at queer people has made me (a man in a healthy weight range) seriously consider steroid usage, gastric surgery, drugs, or self harm bc I feel my worth is inherently tied to my body's appeal? Hm? And we wanna keep saying that going to the gym purely to increase sexual appeal is a healthy and not dangerous mindset at all and something we should be perpetuating?

#ive seen the most selfish hedonistic takes from some dudes online and it would make me sick #if it didnt just make me horrifically depressed

[pekoeboo]

crying because i'm thinking about the Nuance involved with my characters and their backstories and the complexities of good intentions vs selfish behavior causing harm to others and i CANT EXPLAIN ALL OF THIS via art or writing. HOW are people supposed to know how complex and deep these characters are if i dont draw or write it out tho!!!!!! ugh

#i have rarely talked about khalan's past in particular #there was a big backstory post i made a while back but a lot of that info is outdated now #but just thinking about his backstory again made me appreciate how nuanced it all is. the idea of like #leaving an abusive relationship for your own personal health being done in a way that is actually harmful to yourself and others #and the question of what is the fine line between a selfish act and an act of bravery?? #khalan's whole situation with his dad is so. fascinating to me because jal was genuinely a terrible person #and very seriously hurt his son both physically and emotionally #but also. khalan choosing to be defiant by leaving home ended up having horrific consequences #since he didn't ensure that someone would be there to keep watch over his dad in his absence #and jal got turned into a zombie because of that #like!! khalan was right to get out of that abusive relationship of course but also. he was wrong to do it in the way he did #and i love that he messed up. i love that his way of going about it wasn't a clear-cut 'right' thing to do #aNYWAY i could go on. #but i won't #there's way more to this that i just can't get into but it's been on my mind right now and i had to scream about it #text post #probably delete later #my ramblings #khalan

[marklikely]

the great reception means we are definitely getting more saw sequels but i. do not want any more after X because its basically a given that the worst character in the entire franchise is going to be brought back into team jigsaw

#such is the fate of the person we don't actually see die. except adam who we saw as a skellington i guess. #also this is what happened to the previous worst character (hoffman) #like i can accept being evil but i cannot accept being evil and annoying which like. im sorry but she was really fucking annoying #avpost #also yes it does annoy me that all the broke people who went along with the plan for money got horrifically murdered #while the unapologetically evil and selfish (and white) ringleader survived but we are supposed to feel triumphant for the jigsaw family #(which was also Weird after how manipulative and shady john was to amanda) #all for like no broader point and it just comes across like they didn't think through their decisions. yes i was annoyed by that #movie diary

[crows-bite]

Maverick is such a wild character because I think about them so much and want to talk about them but like. Idk writing them is really all about digging into these incredibly selfish, irrational and unreasonable feelings, and sometimes I get like embarrassed talking about them because if I say what they’re feeling out loud you’ll all be like “damn those feelings are incredibly selfish, irrational and unreasonable” and I’ll just be like “yeah man they really are” 😭

But at the same time it HURTSSS because I really sympathize with them at the same time. Just. Really terrible situations all round that produced a very self reliant person in the worst possible way. Idk. They suck but I love them and feel for them at the same time.

#Maverick Clarke #Tbh their feelings in ORP were a LOT more unreasonable than they are in canon #But at the same time I still really feel for them #Most of it just boils down to feeling incredibly alone and like they have nobody #And then being taken in by the Brooks crew was all well and good but they just felt like a stranger intruding on this family #And very on the outside looking in you know #They just have these horribly conflicting feelings of not feeling like they should let themself get close because they literally left #the closest person they had to family to bleed out in the snow alone #But also just being horrifically jealous that. yeah here’s where the selfish and unreasonable part comes in. that the Brooks guys like #Adopted Bailey. but Mav’s never been part of the family. #Obviously these were not similar situations bc Bailey was 7 and Mav was 20 😭 #But they can’t help but hurt about all of this #Idk something something open wounds and no healthy coping mechanisms #If you were wondering why their relationship with Bobby in orp was so fucking bad it was bc #Mav was just hurting over all of this and would only ever lash out whenever Bobby (or anybody w exception of Bailey) would try to like #Be their friend? 😭 #LIKE BOBBY REALLT TRIED. #But again that >not feeling like they deserve to get close #But also >unreasonable jealousy that all they’re being offered is friendship #It’s really quite dire. #We were so excited to rp Mavbobby in orp bc we were like Omg finally! a good au where they’re friends! #And somehow their relationship is worse than canon . #Whoops.

[amongie]

homeschool parents are so cruel, actually. peak "my child is my little barbie doll" behavior. i hope homeschool parents die

#very fringe case that ill accept is the child has personally requested to be taken out of school qnd even then #i have Opinions about how homeschooling should be handled #i am so mad about so many things regarding my upbringing but my schooling situation wasnt just a schooling thing #it was a social thing i was so isolated #i was educationally neglected #subjected to horrific things because of how my family is #i was around things i should never have been around #my schoolday could end because my mom needed a babysitter because she was suicidal or too high #it was so bad #fuck homeschool parents i hope for your sake that your god is real and that you die and wake up at the fiery gates of hell #while god recounts your crimes to you #and every single one of them will be about how selfish and disgusting you are to treat your child as àn extention of yourself #shut up luke #personal #homeschool parents dni

[loudmound]

i think what really solidified to me the notion that james sincerely loved mary WAS in fact that kiss on the head. one final act of tenderness before he did the unspeakable. one final statement that says "i love you so much. please forgive me for what i'm about to do."

#it was both selfish AND selfless! #what he did was born of love AND hate! #fuck!!!!!! #james sunderland #mary shepherd sunderland #silent hill #stormy shouts #i think he wept as he smothered her #bc mary was screaming and thrashing about #and that just compounding on everything... deeply deeply upsetting and horrific for james throughout #why WOULDN'T he cry?

[nemesis-is-my-middle-name]

Ok. ok ok ok I know youre having fun with Elden ring, and youve probably moved on from the Ley Line Au But Hear me out! Ive been chewing on it for a bit.

So! Three main things that just feel off to me in the au. 1. Giratina is the only primordial god without a magic branch (Which I Know They are anti magic but HEAR ME OUT!) 2. The Twin Dragons are the Light (They just dont feel like Primordial Gods ya'know?) . 3. Giratina still has no motive.

I!!! have connected the dots!!! It always rubbed me a bit when we talked about the dead god and the twin dragons. The Twin dragons are not really death connected. I just realized, we have a perfectly good ghost dragon Right there! Giratina!

So let me set the stage! The Three Primordial Children of the One. At the One's command they became The Fonts of Magic from which the world sprung forth. Then, an unimaginable time later, the Light tore its god to shreads. The God is dead. What is left from the smoldering remains of Light and Magic is a Lack. A Hole from which no light comes and no magic resides. Magic follows waters rules and tries to fill a hole which cannot be filled. In which the Starving, Writhing thing that was Once Light was banished by The One bc It was now a Danger to the world it created. (It is starving Its mind is in disarray WHERE IS ITS LIGHT.) The Magic it brought forth is now destabilized. Which as one of the forces stabilizing space time and the world is a big uh oh. So One Minor Dragon God seized the light as it thrashed and tore the world in a despite bid to keep its people safe. Unlike the Original Light whom was shredded until nothing but a shade remained, the Dragon God was only torn in twane. (Whether its because the light mages (Maybe Celestica? they have light theme right?) stopped in shock or divine retribution has claimed them Idk.)

But the tearing stabilized the light bc It created a dichotomy. Light was no longer JUST light. Its the swing of light to dark. the Truth to the Ideal. The gods original thing merged kinda with the Light. Maybe the Twin gods were gods of Wishes or Maybe Human Perspective idk. But It was important bc Now the Original God of Light is now Darkness. And the Allowance of Darkness in the Light Magic kinda keeps it from folding like a house of cards.

Light Magic tends to the rule of two. Or Give and Take. Depends on the user and the intent. Which makes it Very Dangerous. The Twin Gods try their best but the Light Magic is scarred and volatile. Light users tend to play by the rule of two bc Its generally the more safe of the rules to play by. Two Mages or One who Gives so they can Take. (the appearance of a LONE ridiculously powerful Light Mage Could be very alarming, what could they give to take that much magic. (where is the other one) and Irida has to safe.)

Which Gives Giratina a motive! or maybe a motive for Arceus to stop them. I imagine being killed is very disorenting and not very conductive to being rational non rampaging gods who have yet to realize what it has become. Maybe at the events of the plot it has chilled enough to be reasoned with to Not Eat all the Light Magic and kill everyone (Kinda. it IS a primordial god. ) Tho with Volo maybe trying to control it or maybe enabling it and giving it awful ideas we might need to deal with him first. (If we go with the Idea that Celestica killed Giratina and thats why they're dead, then Volo trying to control the god that their ancestors failed to would be a better motivation than just bc yeah?)

Sorry I just had to get it out here. <3 Have fun with Elden Ring

oh anon i have never moved on from a thing in my life and i am SO INTO THIS.

the one thing i take issue with tho is the sidelining of the twin dragons to being minor deities, bc having a minor deity jump on the ruins of a primal force feels kind of left-field, and to me the concept of there being gods who entirely, by definition, rule the domain of human thought and desire—and pokemon gods, animal gods that can be leashed and controlled—is a concept that fucks so hard and i can't see it as being anything other than deeply fundamental to the universe itself. so can i play with your premise a lil bit

bc i think—and idr how much of this ive talked abt before—BUT i think in pokemon CANON, giratina is also kind of a god's corpse moreso than it is a god in itself. by which i mean to say, giratina was the original holder of spirit, not the lake trio—but having the whole force of spirit contained in one mind was too much for it, and arceus had to take it away and reform it into three separate beings, leaving giratina a banished and abandoned shell. which actually dovetails so neatly into this, just instead of being doomed by its creation, giratina was killed by its mages instead.

so like. light to dark to antimagic to spirit. this feels like such a closed loop. like, it's always kind of fascinated me how the lake and tao legends feel so conceptually linked—truth and ideals vs. willpower emotion and knowledge, like you can see how they're distinct concepts if you squint but intuitively it feels like there should be a lot of overlap. SO. do you see where i'm going with this. i've already said that light is like, the fundamental force that is the contract law of the universe—which fits so neatly with the lake trio's red chain of spirit and the way it can control even palkia and dialga and repair the very fabric of reality. cogita even suggests that it "lets one see reality as it truly is."

i also take umbrage with the idea that resh/zek don't have a death link bc to me they are the products of a death. the original dragon died, and they're the leftovers of its power, with kyurem being the body. ...but kyurem also hasn't played much of a role at all in this so far. has it.

so maybe reshiram and zekrom weren't a separate god that stepped in to fill the void. light has always been the same thing as spirit, two words for the same fundamental domain—fitting so neatly with the concept of facets and angles we've had going so far—and resh and zek are the shards of giratina's corpse. fundamentally disunified and out of balance, two opposing pieces of a god trying to fill the role of a single one. meanwhile giratina persists, but now having been completely gutted, the fundamental piece of its heart where its magic should live permanently gutted and bleeding darkness.

is this tracking?? idc i'm rolling with this now anyway. it fucks to me. anyway i'm also so into the idea that it was celestic who originally killed giratina, bc those mages have been kind of faceless until now but i think it also gives ingo such a fascinating personal stake in this whole quest in a way even irida and adaman don't have. like, he inherited their bloodied hands. he knows more intimately than anyone what the force of light is like now, lacking a true deity. that is fascinating to me.

also wouldn't that legally make volo another light mage?? but like, an Old Light Mage. one of the few who still adhere to the way it used to function, before the killing. bc like, i don't think this has made it into a post yet but i do think those are very different things. light magic is a completely different ballgame nowadays. goddammit yet again volo and emmet have taken up narratively opposed and symmetric positions. why do they do this EVERY time.

#the nemesis speaks #the nemesis answers #anonymous #ley lines au #or maybe volo's like the one and only mage of darkness #but i don't... know that that's a thing that's possible to be #anyway i think i should also say that i think the light mages killing their god was pretty poggers of them #like not in the sense that it was a good decision that benefited them or anyone. it didn't #but they had no way of knowing at the time what would happen. and their motives weren't selfish in themselves #so more in a sense of yeah u go u funky little guys. why SHOULD the big worm get to be the sole arbiter of your power. #they punched so fucking high. good for them. #also this whole au is kind of elden ring in its vibes. im ngl #it's the approach to deities as these far-removed forces with inhuman morals and wants interfacing with mortals in strange ways #and also killing very powerful things and yet they persist and it goes horrifically wrong. also that.

[datastate]

do you realize how seen i felt with this.

necessary reading before you act weird abt him in my inbox: 1, 2, 3

#there's. so much to unpack here. i'm sure i've placed my thoughts elsewhere on this blog but regardless #this just. kills me. the dawning realization he'll never fully recover #it's not entirely a selfish wish to get better. he's carrying so much hope on his shoulders; not only carrying his own passions #but those of the orphanage... the pressure... & not wanting to be suddenly undervalued or thought of as a traitor to them or his team #as if he ever would've /willingly/ abandoned them #esp w how he tried to keep it so. under wraps... he didn't want anyone to see that he was struggling this much w keeping himself afloat #because he struggles to excuse how he currently is. he has always pushed himself and when his body breaks down like this from the misuse #albeit necessary it's. horrific to him because it impedes all the progress that he's already forced himself to make #and - hey - at least if he's dead then he doesn't have to keep up the excuses and lies for months upon months of little recovery... #characters who struggle w remaining stagnant... oh how i would kill for you to realize you mustn't break yourself to progress #jestersvaguely #yttdposting #suicidal ideation #suicide mention

[nomaishuttle]

its also like . ok sry im going on bc im tired and ive upset myself lol but its like. to have somebody who knows i grew up in poverty call me greedy and selfish bc he pressured me into moving up here when i didnt have the money so i Had to rely on him financially. and then i couldnt pay him back while i was literally unemployed. to have him call me greedy and selfish and entitled and lazy was. insanely upsetting

#like he knew that a lot of the money i earned went directly to paying my families bills and literally feeding them and he still. said that #to me. and then when i got upset he spun it as me being irrational and playing the victim and always guilttripping him like. idk. idk. #i try rly hard not to think abt that bc it just makes me feel horrific but like. i was already so insanely paranoid about spending money #any Non essential purchase made me spiral and then that just made it. so much worse . i told him from the start i didnt have much money and #he said it was fine and i told him from the start id pay him back as quickly as i could and he said it was fine and then he just #he completely ghosted me he never talked to me he slept downstairs and he spent more time with one of our roommates than he did me #and now i. know why he did that lol #but whatever. but he iced me out and the only time he ever talked to me was to tell me i was being greedy for not paying him back #or if i literally fuckjng. begged him to do skmething with me #and then hed spend like 1 hour completely checked out but technically sitting in the same room as me and i just. idk. that relationship #genuinely like. fucked me up. and now i reakize it wasnt Just since i moved here and a lot of the like. stripping me of.my identity and #pressuring me into doing. certain things when i wasnt comfortable with them and guilttripping me if i did try to stand up for myself. now i #realize that had been going on nearly since the start but it fucking. rly hurts. basically #and to top it all of he knew i struggle with very severe depression and i have since i was a kid and he knew i specifically struggle a lot #with hygiene and he knew how gross that makes me feel. and he still called me disgusting for it. and in every argument he had he would #hold the fact i owed him money over my head and i judt. i dont know what i was supposed to do. and i realize now there was jothing bc he #was already. yk. and probably had been for a while but it just. rly fucking sucks basically. #like even now a few months out i get genuinely nauseous when i buy something that isnt Absolutely essential. #and i try to force myself to buy like. a small nice thing for myself every once in a while i buy 1 coffee and 1 breakfast food every week #on saturday to try n like. make sure i know its ok 4 me to do that and it doesnt make me selfish but like. it still makes me feel sick

[sunnibits]

I hope izzy continues to be a selfish fucked up masochistic mean freak in s2 of ofmd btw. like obviously I enjoy a good domesticated izzy as much as the next guy but I truly do not want them to go immediately into a soft uwu baby arc I desperately need more content of him being messy and violent and jagged thank you <3

I may draw and engage with a lot of silly and fluffy content about him but I can’t forget the fact that the scene that really made me interested in him was the toe scene. like that was the hook for me!! I genuinely want to see more crazy shit like that from him!!! like I do enjoy him when he’s complicated and bad actually hope this helps :)

#this isn’t like a dig against anyone else I prommy I’ve just been thinking about this a lot lately #like I do think soft izzy is my end goal of course but I would genuinely be disappointed if I didn’t get more fucked up bloody scenes #the fact that he is a selfish freak with acts of violence as his love language is important to me!!!! #it’s the whole fucking thing that made me want to dissect him in the first place!!!! #like he should do more desperate bad shit to try and get ed back actually. I would like to see it #he should sustain even more horrific injuries <3 #not because he DESERVES it but because it’s INTERESTING it’s INTRUIGING #I LIKE it #if I wanted a soft lil meow meow I would have fixated on another guy lmao #if u disagree with me just move on it’s ok we don’t need to have a Discussion #I respect yalls opinions I just like when he’s nasty as much as I like him being soft and tender #and also I do not actually think the writers would go straight for an uwu baby arc anyways lmao I’m not actually scared of that #I trust David and I’m rlly excited to see what they do w izzy in season 2 no matter what :))) I hope it’s twisted actually #I really really REALLY hope we get some tasty scrumptious fucked up shit I’m crossing my fingers 🤞

[iratusmus]

i know i mostly just make stupid joke posts about them but unironically fiona/scourge is such a fascinating relationship that could be so so very interesting but people just insist on joker/harley quinn-ifying them for reasons beyond my comprehension and call it the most interesting reading of the relationship and wow it really does just baffle me

#in other news ive been thinking about them a lot again but unfortunately i seem to have lost the ability to draw #so my brain just spins in circles and mostly goes nowhere #like. to me the most interesting reading of this ship is that they do actually genuinely love each other #and its interesting *because* its incredibly antithetical to their incredibly selfish tendencies #and its not like they really ever become less selfish or become good or whatever #its that their selfishness gets extended to the other person #and the question that follows is naturally. why does this happen. why are they each other's exceptions #and like im not asking you to make them all healthy and whatever theyre like awful people #who have probably never been in a functional relationship in their entire lives #realistically the best outcome they can have is they become horrifically codependent #but like. still. many thoughts head full #one day i will make a long and rambling post about my many feelings on these characters and this relationship #but that day is not today. probably. #maybe later