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home-of-renn · 8 months
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One thing that I wished they kept throughout the franchise was Hiccup being the smallest Viking. I wish they kept him scrawny and stringy and shorter than Astrid and the rest of the gang.
Hiccup was ostracised by his entire community for many reasons, one being his weak build and small stature.
Snotlout may be shorter than Hiccup in the movies, but he's got bigger muscles and puffs himself up. He makes up for it by acting like a proper Viking, being loud and obnoxious and always ready to start a fight - that and he can actually lift a weapon.
The name Hiccup is meant to mean small and frail - the runt of a litter or the black sheep. I want Hiccup to be the absolute epitome yet antithesis of his name. I want Hiccup to be small and unassuming and shorter than the rest. But I also want him to be Great. I want him to be brave and stubborn and hard to kill. Awkward and sarcastic at the worst of times but still kind and friendly and always dependable.
I want him to be everything a Viking is and isn't. I want him to be a peacekeeper and a warrior, an adventurer and an inventor, the son of the chief and the hiccup of his tribe. Someone who can't wield the same weapons as his tribesmen so he makes his own. Someone who wants to uphold the traditions and culture of his people yet always thinks outside of the box. The representation of this new age that's fast approaching, the line in the middle where old and new clash.
I want Hiccup to dress like a Viking, talk like a Viking, eat, sleep and walk like a Viking yet be the very last thing anyone ever thinks of when they think of a Viking. And most of all I want there to be absolutely nothing wrong with that.
I wish they hadn't made him tall and appealing in the end. I wish they'd kept him the way he was. A Viking born too early and too weak in the middle of one of the harshest winters ever experienced by the barbaric archipelago. A Viking who beat the odds and survived. He's braved every terrible winter since his birth and lives in a place where it snows nine months of the year and hails the other three. He can endure bone-freezing chills and frozen oceans but never fails to catch the common cold. He's always been a bit sickly, ever since he was a child, but he always bounces back. He's got scars and a missing leg and his hands are filled with callouses, cuts and burns, but he's soft-spoken and loves to read and never skips a meal yet can never seem to get any bigger.
I wish they could have kept Hiccup the way he was. I wish they didn't have to change him in order to have him become a worthy hero.
I wish the entire village could look at their little runt of a chief and still crack jokes about his long-overdue growth spurt. I want them to look at him and be filled with pride, cause despite the fact that he hasn't grown an inch since he was sixteen, there isn't a single person on Berk who can look at him without seeing just how far he's come.
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thecosmicmap · 4 months
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Strap in folks this is gonna be a long one.
So as we know Dean Deblois is the writer of HTTYD2 and 3. As a writer you have a list of rules you should follow. One such rule is “show don’t tell.”
Dean disregarded this rule and we mainly see it with Grimmel and the Night Fury genocide. In the movie he tells us “I hunted every last night fury except yours” yet Grimmel has nothing to show for it. No trophies, no night fury hide cloak, not even a claw. The most we get is a few “facts” about Night Furies that aren’t even true, or can’t be proven to be true because we’ve only ever seen one Night Fury.
“Night Furies can’t survive the cold.” Yet Hiccup tells us (in GOTNF which is canon) that winter in Berk lasts for most of the year.
“Night Furies can’t fly long distances” Yet Toothless’ wings are large and wide, which allows him to glide for long periods of time.
“Furies mate for life.” We would never know because we only see one Night Fury in the entire franchise. And if we take a look at other dragons, it seems they only see their mate during mating season.
And why would Grimmel know that if he’s trying to kill off the Night Furies forever? What’s the point in knowing their mating habits if there’s never going to be any Night Furies again? Did he just look at a Fury pair and go “yeup. They mate for life.”
Now another thing about Grimmel is that his hunting method is unreliable. One, he left his bait without any restraints. Imagine if the Light Fury woke up minutes before and just left? Boom! No more bait. What if Toothless wasn’t horny and was mad at the Light Fury for trying to kill Hiccup multiple times? Boom. He wouldn’t be trying to deal with her and the plan is ruined because the bait isn’t appealing to the target. What if Toothless didn’t smell her and never showed up?
Lots of plot conveniences. It happens in the entire movie. Dean also had to confirm that yes, Grimmel did kill all the Night Furies in an INTERVIEW because people didn’t believe that Grimmel genocide the Night Furies. And Dean only did this because he thinks Toothless is special because he’s the last Night Fury.
Now we could be here forever talking about how stupid grimmel is as a villain and how stupid it is to even entertain the thought that ONE man and his six, drugged dragons were able to commit genocide to a species of intelligent, elusive and fast dragons, but let’s just continue.
Another rule Dean disregarded is having good characterization. Or ANY characterization!
The Light Fury immediately comes to mind. Name one personality trait she has that we actually see in the movie. You can’t, can you? Because Dean actively wrote that out. There was a deleted scene of Light Fury and Toothless’ romantic flight which gave her much more personality, yet Dean wrote it out and gave us the boring one we have now.
Also, can we just talk about how she doesn’t have a name? Her name is literally “The Light Fury.” Which is the same as naming a Golden Retriever Golden Retriever.
I know Hiccup would’ve named her. Hell, anybody would’ve named her! But no, Dean decided that she didn’t need one because “how else would she be wild”?
Dean says this in an interview, “We intentionally try to keep her [The Light Fury] wild and elusive, to kind of represent something that is pure dragon, that hasn't been tainted by human beings by domestication.” Which just goes to show that Dean doesn’t know what domestication is.
(Dean also doesn’t know what a subspecies is because if he did, then he would know a Light Fury can’t possibly be a Night Fury subspecies because they have too many differences).
1. this means that Dean thinks all of the dragons that have benefited from human companionship (Toothless, Cloudjumper, Meatlug, Stormfly, etc) are tainted.
And 2, there is nothing “dragon” about the Light Fury. She has small feet (Hiccup’s head is literally bigger than her feet), small claws, a small mouth, her wings are weirdly shaped, she’s curved, she has no protective scales and her tailfin is in the shape of a heart, which would actually mess up her flight.
Many people have said this is because she’s semi-aquatic. But this is disproven by the fact that we’ve never seen her in the water and the art book.
Here’s two direct quotes: “We had to explore how the Light Fury would walk and make her feel like a female.” “We had to control all the shapes while keeping her both powerful and graceful so she didn’t fall too much into the reptilian category.”
The Light Fury is a plot device, a “agent of change” in Dean’s words.
Now while we’re on the topic of characterization, let’s talk about our main cast. We’ll start with Toothless.
Toothless is Hiccup’s best friend, who will do anything to protect him no matter the costs. He’s sassy, intelligent, curious, loyal, protective and playful.
Now take all of this, and throw it in the trash because this isn’t the toothless you’re going to see in THW. In THW Toothless’ playfulness is shot to the max, making him more like a slobbery puppy than the lethal panther he was in HTTYD1.
Toothless isn’t protective of Hiccup at all, his intelligence is below hell itself and we don’t see a lick of sass. Httyd3 Toothless is physically incapable of looking scary because his face has been deformed to to look blocky and smushed together. He lacks any aerodynamics and we can even see it in his flying. He looks like he’s struggling.
Toothless and Hiccup’s friendship is so watered down in this movie, just for the sake of romance. That’s not how it should be. Romance and friendship go hand in hand, one is not more valuable than the other.
Astrid is nothing but Hiccup’s emotional support, yet she also puts him down. “you gave him [Toothless] his freedom, what were you expecting?” This implies that the dragons are being held captive and Toothless doesn’t want to be with Hiccup.
Which he does, as we see in GOTNF. Toothless only left to get Hiccup’s helmet, then he broke the auto-tail. But why would Astrid even say that? Thats so insensitive 😭.
The twins are dumbed down (despite proving to actually being intelligent), Snotlout is flirting with a woman who’s 20 years older than him (and might be his aunt, depending if you see Hiccup and Snotlout as cousins) and Valka outright tells Hiccup that they can’t hide away from the world.
Which is true, they can’t. Because eventually they will be found. Now remember this, it’ll come back later.
Now, when writing a story it’s important to move the plot along in a way that doesn’t seemed forced. When I think of this, I think of Trollhunters: tales of Arcadia.
The protagonist (Jim) goes into the villain’s home in order to rescue his friend’s baby brother, yet he gets trapped there. His friends have to get him out of there, which allows the villain to be freed from the Darklands. This happening allows the story to move forward in a way that makes sense and isn’t forced.
Now back to HTTYD3. Let’s look at the scene where Toothless and the LF get captured. The Light Fury smells grimmel, she calls to toothless, runs towards Grimmel and gets shot.
Toothless runs over (ignoring Hiccup’s warnings) approaches Grimmel, takes forever loading a plasma blast while sloooowly walking towards Grimmel, allowing the man to shoot him and make him go night-night.
Hiccup runs over, also taking forever. And the next time we see grimmel he’s already tied up two dragons (BY HIMSELF) in these complicated straight jackets. The other dragons come around (finally) ready to attack, yet Grimmel threatens the light fury and tells Toothless to call of the dragons.
“But isn’t Toothless asleep?” I hear you ask, and to that I respond with “no, he’s not. He miraculously woke up in time to call the dragons off, despite the light fury still being knocked out cold.”
The dragons are called off and grimmel leaves on his quad-copter. The dragons follow them, even though Grimmel didn’t tell toothless to make them follow.
Do you see how forced this is? There’s many more forced plot points, but we’ll be here forever talking about it and this post is long enough already.
Next up on the broken rule list, Dean let the antagonist win. Now it’s okay for an antagonist to win, but never in the third act.
Grimmel’s ultimate goal was for dragons to disappear. Dean himself says “he does not want a world in which dragons roam free.” And what do we see at the end of HTTYD3?
The dragons disappearing into the Hidden World forever. Exactly what Grimmel wanted.
Finally, the last rule Dean broke is having a consistent plot. Now the plot of each movie is a bit different. Httyd1: Hiccup shows Vikings that while dangerous, dragons aren’t monsters. And it’s better to work together than working apart.
Httyd2: Dragons are being captured and enslaved, we need to save them and fight for our friends.
Httyd3: toothless needs to get a girlfriend. He HAS to, despite not ever showing to want one, but he’s horny right now so YES, he HAS to.
But the franchise has an overarching narrative about humans and dragons coming together. That no matter what, they will prevail because they’re working together.
Well in HTTYD3 yes, they prevail. But the dragons leave. Why, you may ask? Because no matter what they’ll always be bad humans so there’s no point fighting.
Hiccup sends the dragons to an underground glittery cave that doubles as a prison, and six years of friendship is thrown down the drain for a female Toothless met three days prior. Hiccup tells the audience that dragons will hide until humans learn how to get along (despite the many humans that already get along with them).
And that’s it. The end. No more.
“But wait!” I hear you ask, “Won’t the dragons eventually be found again?” And to that I say, “Oh, you remember!”
Because yes, the dragons will eventually be found out again. And because Hiccup gave up on fighting for change, these humans think dragons are dangerous monsters and will undoubtedly enslave/kill them.
We even see this with his own kids! Zephyr thought dragons were monsters and was ready to hurt them in order to “protect her family”. Humans of the future will no doubt act like this as well.
Humans and dragons will never learn to get along if they are never around each other. Change won’t just happen, you have to fight for it. Like the end of slavery, or the Women’s Rights Movement. Those things didn’t just happen, people had to fight for change and they had to keep fighting because if they gave up then nothing would change.
And when the dragons are inevitably found once again, it will be Hiccup’s fault when they’re either killed or enslaved.
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saturnniidae · 1 month
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Httyd 1 Astrid my beloved... I miss her slightly crooked teeth, and the little freckles on her forehead. I love how she's all grimey (affectionate) the visible dirt on her skin, and her greasy looking hair and bangs that get in her eyes. Come back to me little grungy young Astrid I miss you and your anger issues </3
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uselessreptile · 1 year
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Hiccup gave Toothless more than just his wings back
I feel like the fandom talks a lot about how much Toothless gave Hiccup, but a lot of people seem to reduce what Hiccup did for Toothless to "letting him fly again," when it's really so much more than that, so I wanted to put this out there.
We learn that the reason the dragons raid Berk is to feed the Red Death, who will eat them if they don't satisfy her hunger. But one of the first things we learn about Toothless is that the Night Fury never steals food, which means that he does not feed the Red Death, yet he still attacks Berk. Why? Notice how he specifically targets Berk's major dragon-fighting weaponry, the catapults. Toothless is protecting his fellow dragons, because he cares about them.
This is why Toothless brings Hiccup and Astrid to the dragons' nest. He needs them to understand the truth about why the dragons attack Berk. If they see the tyrannical behemoth that the dragons live in fear of, maybe they will be able to do something about it.
Neither dragons nor humans alone could defeat the Red Death. Dragons, despite their immense strength, high intelligence, and power of flight, lack the power of spoken language, so they cannot organize a revolt against the Red Death. And when all of Berk's most seasoned Viking warriors reach Dragon Island, they find themselves utterly powerless against the titanic dragon.
It is only when Hiccup and his former dragon-fighting classmates show up on the backs of dragons that the tides of battle turn against the Red Death. Teamwork between these two former enemy groups is what brings the queen down and ends three centuries of war, something that never could've happened had Hiccup and Toothless never defied what was expected of themselves and formed their forbidden friendship.
So yes, just as Toothless gave Hiccup the courage to stand up for what was right and bring peace to the Vikings of Berk, Hiccup gave Toothless the freedom for his kind to live in peace, without fear of being devoured by an insatiable tyrant or being felled by the blades of Viking warriors.
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Hiccup, I love you man, but you're a dumbass sometimes.
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zoomzooml · 2 years
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AU in which Hiccup quit training and was never caught by Astrid in the bay. After a few years  his masked alterego has become a little shit and a serious problem for dragon hunters on the archipelago, and he himself a weirdo in Berk who has lost his heritage and will feel more comfortable talking to your cat than to you. No one is complaining because he has stopped destroying the village with his antics (disappearing into the smithy or the woods/taking time with the dragons) and has apparently "calmed down and found his place." He probably has his own quirks like whistling to the darkness of the night (and something whistles back to him???) or throwing leftovers to Terrors when he thinks no one sees (and usually no one does).
He will also whistle and chirp at random dragons. Maybe he sometimes comes to the Arena to watch the cadets' mishaps and cheer on the dragons????
And, of course, he's still a sarcastic little shit who also talks a lot of shit on the gang and, in fact, almost all of Berk to his dragon besties.
Maybe something will happen by which he will have to teach them to cooperate with the dragons....
And also AU to that AU in which I just make more references to books lol It's just that before Hiccup tries to buddy up with the fuckin’ Night Fury, he tests his ideas on the Terrible Terror, who was left behind after the raid. Terrible's name is Toothless (because Terrible's don't have teeth, they have beaks (like turtles)), and Night Fury is named Windwalker ✨
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Windwalker/og Toothless stillto lose his tail fin, but thanks to Hiccup having more time after dropping out of training he is able to build him an independent prosthesis much sooner. Here you have my little redesigns, but they are shit, so the originals still fit as much as possible. I just tried to make them a little more realistic???? Night Fury with a short tail to maximize speed in flight (long tails slow them down (at least that's what I've heard lol))
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miae-bee · 2 years
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Stoick: So that's it? You're just gonna give up on your destiny? Just like that?
Hiccup: Yes, can I go now?
Stoick: *sigh* Yeah
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sullina · 5 months
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so much talk about visual storytelling, but what about auditory storytelling?
Music can play an enourmous part in shows and movies if you let it.
And ESPECIALLY if you craft the music for the specific movie in mind, instead of just choosing the current most popular song.
Which is probably why the soundtrack of the first httyd movie is so popular. They left space in the movie specifically FOR the music.
And it is AMAZING.
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oseytorvan · 1 year
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Unpopular opinion: Romantic flight is not an Hiccstrid moment, it is an Astrid's moment. This is her music. These are her feelings. This is her sky. This is her first flight.
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hed-romancer · 1 year
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i think my favorite thing about httyd1 astrid is that the narrative allows her to be mad (at least for half the movie). She's worked her entire life to become a fighter for her community. And then suddenly this scrawny kid who has put in 0 effort to be strong is doing better in training than her and not only does no one else question it, but they cheer for him over her. but unlike so many movies to have a strong female character suddenly become 2nd strongest to a generic male protagonist, astrid actually gets to be mad at this unfairness.
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Gobber’s interchangeable arms are both genuinely good disability rep and fuckin hilarious
My favorite one has to be the oar. What is he doing with that. It is too short to ever use 😂
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How To Train Your Dragon Theory
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Okay so you know how in HTTYD Race to the Edge in the finale??? When Johann (Yoh-han) like gets frozen by the Bewilderbeast (aka the king of all dragons in HTTYD 2′s mother) What if he didn’t die??? What if he just got frozen and then some time in the future he unfroze and was alive and super confused. 
What if that was the case? What if he did come back? What would happen? I’m hoping it was before HTTYD The hidden world so he comes back and there is still dragons around and some plot could happen. I mean if the creators wanted to go with this and make another spin off series I would not be complaining. OR since that new-ish show came out I think it’s called the Nine Realms? Maybe he comes back in that show. Though That does seem less likely. 
Idk I think this is a cool theory that popped in my brain randomly Anyone have any thoughts on this?? 
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ppoliwrath · 8 months
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Something silly ! This was funnier when I drew it last night
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capableism · 2 years
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How to start a children’s movie
People expect all animated children's movies to have a happy ending and  maybe teach a life lesson. Do you know a great way to start that story? Kill off a  parent or two. This trope is an apparent struggle that makes the protagonist's  life harder. There are 2 tracks the story usually uses. One is the Harry Potter approach when a character is an orphan coming of age without a family. The other is when a character is raised by a single parent, and that parent might be overprotective and hold their child back from finding themselves in the coming of age story. Examples of overprotective parents include King Triton (The Little Mermaid) and Marlin (Finding Nemo)  
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Coming-of-age stories like these have existed for centuries. Many animated  children's films are adapted from preexisting fairy tales that follow this trope.  "These types of stories are called Bildungsroman or coming-of-age tales. Interestingly the term bildungsroman well after these stories were highly popular." (Why are Disney parents  always so dead) This formula is used because it works. While Disney has  characters like Simba and Ariel, Dreamworks has Po and Hiccup. 
The island of Berk is obsessed with killing dragons. Stoick is the chief and possibly the most obsessed. He feels the responsibility to protect the island as chief and feels the loss of his wife when Hiccup was a baby. Stoick is a strict father. He doesn't allow Hiccup to train to be a dragon slayer because he knows his son is many  things but not a killer. 
He is protecting Hiccup from harm. Hiccup wants to fit in and meet his father's expectations. To truly find himself, however, he has to develop a sense of self. 
In the opinion of Jonathan Decker, a therapist from Cinema Therapy, "I think all parents want certain things for their kids. And he (Stoick) definitely wants his son to be a dragon slayer. But what he's seen is that he's (Hiccup) is basically the Jar Jar Binks of the Viking world." (Therapist reacts  to How to Train Your Dragon)  
When Stoick puts Hiccup in dragon training, it is his last attempt at making  Hiccup a "real" Viking. When Stoick gives Hiccup an ax for dragon training, he  says, "When you carry this ax, you carry all of us. Which means you walk like us,  you talk like us, you think like us. No more of this. (Gesturing to Hiccup’s body)
Strict animated parents are usually more exaggerated. There are many reasons  parents can be strict. "For there to be a healthy parent-child relationship or a  guardian-teenager, whatever we have going on. There's got  to be a dialog…As a parent, I have the responsibility to guide you to adulthood.  So there is a bit of authority there, but authority without consent or authority  without genuine I'm going to hear you… then that's just tyranny." (Therapist reacts to How to Train Your Dragon) 
Hiccup's disability doesn't play a significant role in how he is parented by  Stoick. It is an acquired disability later in life. Still, from my experience and  exposure, people accept parents who are strict and overprotective of their  disabled children. Society teaches that a disability is a weakness, so treating  disabled people like children is a common sign of ableism. Hiccup's disability is  handled well in the film in terms of avoiding the harmful  representationof a disability as a weakness. The film treats Hiccup  like "everyone else" Stoick is not validated for his strict parenting because of Hiccup's disability. Stock learns to let go of his strict parenting for a different reason than his child’s disability.
Source List
Cinema Therapy. (2021, September 21). Therapist Reacts to How to Train Your Dragon [Video]. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzzVbWKMmZ0
SuperCarlinBrothers. (2017, April 13). Why are Disney parents always so dead? [Video]. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkBZwvtQ588
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zoomzooml · 7 months
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You know, as much as I doubt that wild dragons would do it, I think that in the case of those living with humans, those with sufficient vocal capabilities could try to imitate human speech.
And be a hunter and be brave when the dragon you are supposed to guard makes noises all the time and only after a while you realize that they sound like human words.
It must seem to you, but are you sure? In fact, this place is a little uncomfortable, will move the chair closer to the exit. Yeah, that's a fine idea
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