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lokiprincess · 6 months

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Disney Parallels Series:

Reylo

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darklinaforever · 2 months

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I literally just saw someone say that Reylo is not an equal dynamic because Kylo Ren / Ben Solo studied the force and Rey didn't, so he has more power than her in the use of force, and on top of that he has a higher social position than her as a prince and member of the first order while Rey is just a wreck plunderer, except that... is this bullshit ?

Who cares if Kylo Ren / Ben Solo is a prince ? Are you telling me that Belle is never the equal of the Beast in Disney because he's a prince and she's a normal girl ? What is this logic ? It is not because two people have different statues that they cannot develop an egalitarian relationship. Kylo Ren / Ben Solo and Rey have similar experiences in their childhood traumas, as well as literally being the opposite side of each other in the force. Rey is the equal of Kylo Ren / Ben Solo in the light side. It's said in the movies. So obviously yes, this relationship is that of perfect equals. This is the purpose of their connection. And their social position has nothing to do with it.

Again, even though Kylo Ren studied the force for years and Rey didn't, are you forgetting that Rey is a force prodigy ? Literally the equal of Kylo Ren / Ben Solo on the light side, again ? Just like he is his equal on the dark side ? They are literally a dyad. They share the same power. The same strength. Reylo is literally a relationship based on balance and therefore equality. (especially since on top of that, she undergoes training during the trilogy)

And don't even get me started on the example you dialogue "You're nothing." said by Kylo Ren / Ben Solo to Rey to prove that she is not his equal. They must have forgotten the "But not for me." which he added at the end. A clumsy way for Kylo Ren / Ben Solo to make it clear that he sincerely cares for Rey / loves her. Not to mention that we have an almost similar speech from Darcy to Elizabeth in Pride and Prejudice. Are you telling me Darcy doesn't change later ? Never sees Elizabeth as her equal ? They also have a difference in social status, yet they end up on an equal footing in the end and are still shown in the story as equals due to their flaws of pride and prejudice.

Especially since Kylo Ren never uses the fact that he is a prince or member of the First Order to assert social superiority and make Rey feel like shit. It's ridiculous. Yes, he calls her a scavenger in a derogatory manner, but that's literally their first real conversation before the connection between them was opened and the relationship developed !

Even his experience in the art of the force he doesn't really use on Rey. Seriously, the number of times he could have banged her but didn't, proves that he never really seeks to dominate her. In the 7th, he holds his punches in their first real fight. In The Last Jedi, Rey defeats him. And in The Rise of Skywalker, he's either tested it or else he's holding back. I literally remind him that he could freeze her and make her pass out like when they first met face to face, but never does it again. Besides, even when he uses his power on her, he doesn't let her crash to the ground like shit and catches her to carry her to the ship himself. Something he doesn't need to do for a prisoner. Regardless, any argument against Reylo seems for me so slammed to the ground it's hopeless...

Plus it was in an attempt to prove that the ship Wolfwren / Wrenwolf (which I also ship) is more egalitarian than Reylo and very different... Wtf ? A ship with a dark side user and a light side user enemies fighting multiple times with a strong connection ? It vaguely reminds me of Reylo Holds ! Not to mention all the visual parallels that we can also make. (A fight in a forest, are they serious ?) Yes, the two ships are different, but making comparisons to prove which one is more egalitarian and fair is stupid... They essentially have the same basis !

Besides, I want to say that even if I love this new ship, uh... it seemed to me that Sabine had a potential romance with Ezra ? Like... is it only me who didn't feel like only friendship and there was clearly something deeper developing ? All this to... fall flat in the Ashoka show ? Disney has once again decided to pass on a potential romance with story-telling meaning, so I'll never argue that Wolfwren could ever become canon. Sad to say, but I don't trust Star Wars anymore. If Reylo, who had the scriptwriting logic and narrative goal of ending happily, didn't do it for stupid reasons... Well, I'm not counting on Disney to one day create a romance in the Star Wars universe that ends well, or even just plain romance, since it seems that Hollywood has for some obscure reason decided that strong women should not fall in love...

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piglet26 · 2 months

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Sequel Trilogy stumbled upon greatness with Reylo and more

In hindsight, it's obvious to see how chaotically thrown together the sequel trilogy was. While many things were planned - it wasn't as thought out as it should have been. Both Rian and JJ were able to highly execute different things. JJ, in TFA only, was able to establish very fun and interesting characters. Rian was able to add depth and though provoking existential. It's obvious that it would've been better had one director been allowed to a see a vision through especially for character arcs. (Personally, I vote for Rian for all 3) However! As crazy as it sounds the sequel trilogy might have stumbled into greatness. When you slow down and let the work settle you're able to deduct certain things. For several LITERARY reasons the sequels were not as bad as people make them out to be. TROS is made somewhat redeemable trash because of Reylo. Thank them.

Star Wars is a fairytale right out of the romanticism era. So much of the journey is about the love of a woman. While many young boys who became the grown fanboy we know today saw lightsabers and alien creatures...... there is more to the story. Motherhood is such an essential element. The emotional crux of The Phantom Menace, and indeed the prequels, is Anakin leaving his mother. That's the attachment injury that Anakin never quite recovers from. Anakin's relationship with Padme is very much about a transference of that love. As much as he loves Padme, his mother is the purest love of his life and her loss causes him to cling onto everyone with a desperation. Watching Star Wars for the first time in chronic logical order it's obvious Anakin is quite a tragic character.

In TROS, Leia directly “intervenes” at the critical point, as her son grapples with the confusion and pain that his grandfather shared: an abject rejection from someone that he feels he is destined to be with. In this case it transcends the romantic and is in the very fabric of the Force. Unfortunately, due to Carrie Fisher passing we were never able get a scene directly between CF and AD, so there was only so much development we received but it's also clear that Ben has a soft spot for his mama.

Stars is as much a story about Palpatine as it is about the Skywalkers. While in the original story Palpatine was this ominous dictator in the background.... the prequels make it clear that Palpatine is always there in the background. He touches several characters lives and ultimately is the driving force for the world these characters live in. While I hated the last minute switch to Rey is a Palpatine.... it's also fitting. In many ways Ben is given a chance redo Anakin's decisions.

Least we forget (like I'd ever) Ben chooses the light, runs like a hero to Rey's side to fight Palpatine along with her. Versus Anakin choosing Palpatine against the people he loves. Then Ben is presented with the same reality Anakin was. The person he loves the most lies dead before him. As Ben cradles the lifeless form of Rey, it's paralleled to the lifeless form of Shmi cradled in Anakin’s arms in the Tusken tent. He does love Rey more than he loves even his own parents let's keep it real. His whole family couldn't reach him, but Rey held his hand and he switched to Team Hero.

The story of Rey also turned the play-by-play heroes arc on it's head. Whereas Luke started out sheltered, protected, surrounded by family looking into the dual suns with thoughts of adventure and grandeur. She has been forged by a hard life of self-reliance, of solitude and toil. The reverse was that in addition to Finn she joined a ready-made family in The Resistance. Especially Ren's abandoned family. She lived the Jedi ideal before she had even heard of the Force, and has arrived at her own conclusions of morality and justice. Oddly, this is what mainly confused people about Rey's journey. (the same people frustrated about the lack of originality from Disney wanted Rey to be just like Luke) Any attempts to move into new territory was met with groans. It was interesting to see a character change to see a character not a child or naive young man, but a world wary young woman. (Stick the landing they did not, but the potential was there.) That's not to say there isn't consistency Rey's greatest pull to the dark is her attraction/connection/love for her soul mate.

I suspect with time the Disney Sequels, like with the Prequels, will be more appreciated. Somewhat amusingly in retrospect, The Last Jedi, despite having featured our heroes exposed as flawed, human and capable of making mistakes..,.... ends on a note of more universal hope — that another generation might be inspired by defiance without violence. Even more important and this is what Rian Johnson was telling with Luke in The Last Jedi....the hero doesn't matter as much as the myth of the hero. Behind the scenes our heroes are as capable of faltering as we are, even of getting exhausted of the fight. It doesn't matter though. We need them to be inspired to fight, to believe. Meanwhile, Luke begins to sense the darkness inside of Rey which surprisingly leads quite well into the next movie. The movie is gorgeous and the soundtrack cannot be faulted.

The sequels fall mostly in their side characters. Then again.... they are side characters. The only exception is Finn. He started off as a major player and someone I wanted to know more about, but by the end of the trilogy, we learn nothing more and he fades into the background. Was he going to ever outshine Kylo Ren/Ben Solo? Hell, no, but he should have been bigger.

The biggest challenge Disney LucasFilm had was building a Star Wards that could move forward. Whatever the world says about Rian Johnson, he had the guts to do something different with the franchise when he made The Last Jedi, which is what many fans asked for after The Force Awakens. The latter movie rehashed multiple elements from the original trilogy to satisfy fans to the point that people thought the film was unoriginal and playing it too safe. However, it's clear JJ Adams sought to honor the original films.

#reylo #star wars #rey star wars #ben solo #ben solo deserved better #rey skywalker #kylo x rey #ben solo x rey #finnrey #kylo ren #star wars prequels #star wars fanart #sw prequels #darth vader #anakin skywalker

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affidecrystal · 8 months

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Genuine question for the Reylo community. Maybe someone can answer this but I remember very clearly on Tumblr in the Reylo fandom when TROS was released that the general consensus was that if Ben was in the World Between Worlds when being written out of the franchise, he would not be able to leave without Rey traveling through time and space to save him. In the same conversation, the same Reylos said “but Anakin didn’t need that and could come and go as he wanted according to The Clone Wars show”. How do you have one but not the other, especially when Ben is part of the Dyad that the Force favors since no other couple in the GFFA has that distinction? Ben only has supernatural skills as Kylo and once Kylo is dead, Ben loses his abilities? That’s how it reads. Why would the favored Dyad half be punished that harshly, except by SW fans and writers who hated Ben? Based on witnessing that experience within the fandom as self proclaimed Reylos in 2020 who disowned Ben said they refused to acknowledge any other version of the World Between Worlds if they even claim it to exist, it seems very hypocritical at minimum for those same people to say “praise be to The World Between Worlds” and “we now have seen that The World Between Worlds is real” now as is the current fixation. If nothing else, it shows that people didn’t respect Ben then or now because it’s an anti-Ben/Kylo (also anti-Adam) fanboy viewpoint. As if they didn’t already win by having one of their own retcon the movies with their screenplay of TROS via online petitions, which in turn retconned the entire GFFA to fit the live action Disney+ spinoffs. The universe in the many tv series is not what existed in the 11 film’s leading up to TROS because the events and characters in the original films don’t exist now except in a parallel universe.

…anyone want to take a stab…? My head hurts.

#Reylo #ask box #Nonnie #look I just want to write about them fucking #also I was gone for over a year directly after TROS so I don’t know what the hell was going on in the community during that time #I wonder who else got this ask?#I honestly don’t get into petty arguments #but if anyone has a questions about smutty headcanons #heyyyyyyyy

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an-angels-fury · 2 years

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Am I the only Anidala shipper that doesn't hate or despise Reylo? And I'm not asking this because I love Reylo (I'm pretty neutral about the ship, I just have issues with some fanatics stans, because everything in extreme sucks, y'know...), nor do I want to start a fight. I admit that for some years, it bothered me how much attention the ship was getting because for me it wasn't such a big deal (it still isn't for me, but I can understand better where the appeal comes from) and I thought there were much better ships that deserved more attention. But I also would be lying if I said I never saw Reylo/Anidala videos/edits showing parallels between both or that I never supported the theory of Reylo being Anidala reincarnated (even though I should have realized that Disney would never reach this level of creativity during the making of the sequels).

Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is: if you dislike Reylo or doesn't like to see their fans relating the ship with Anidala, that's fine. But there's no need to disrespect someone who's just trying to have a good time. And once again, the only kind of Reylo fans (or any kind of fan from any other fandom, to be honest) that I don't want to have anything with is the radical ones who think their ship is superior to the other sequels ships, who make mysoginist, racist or any kind of offensive comment towards the other actors of the sequels' cast or try to denegrate Anidala to make their ship looks better.

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk 👍

#I really hope people don't start another ship war because of this #star wars #sw prequels #sw sequels #anakin skywalker #padme amidala #anidala #kylo ren #rey #reylo #my thoughts

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intermundia · 2 years

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I'm shocked that so many people wished for Ben and/or Reylo. I didn't know that this pairing is still so popular? I felt it was my job as a Obi-Wan fan to wish for a second season. 🙈

yeah, i have mixed feelings about it. i think the ship would have less people agitated about it if disneylucasfilm had handled the last movie in literally any other way than they did. like make it officially romantic, reylos can celebrate, and then the community will hum along happily doing art and writing stories and keeping to themselves as they've gotten what they wanted. OR make it officially not romantic, don't do a dyad bond, don't center their relationship, make a movie about the fall of neofascism, and then while the reylos might have been pissed at the time, they would have been able to accept that canon did it's own thing, and they can write their AUs and work in a parallel space, and again, they would hum along happily in the background like all other ships.

disney, however, did a perfect storm to keep them feeling tantalized with a story half-told, a weird half-pandering that just is so fundamentally unsatisfying to EVERYONE that it has kept the ship alive in peoples minds way longer than it would have if it had been properly resolved within the narrative itself, for yea or nay, you know? at least that's my theory. people have a lot of strong opinions about reylo, and they are entitled to their opinions, my own opinion has changed a great deal from when i shipped them in 2015/16, BUT no matter the ship, they don't deserve this shit. star wars treated them badly and continues to do so, exactly like this stunt with the 'we're listening' just.... ugh

#anyway sorry that was a ramble but #i really don't like the way that #disney social media is baiting them like this #it's hurtful #and kinda cruel tbh #sw #fanfic stuff #fandom stuff #this post is neither pro nor anti reylo it is just #about reylo #reylo neutral

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opinated-user · 2 years

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About Lily’s talk on toh fandom racism. I guess Lily doesn't understand the root of the problem. People like white characters more because they have more dimension not because of race. Compare Amity's and Hunter's abusive families, their constant struggles and how many viewers can relate to it, to Luz who has... nice mom? And was bullyied but kinda wasn't we've never seen it? That's it. She's generic quirky girl. Her dad's death pops out literally one time and it's never mentioned after. Gus is boring, and Willow had potential but was forgotten. There's just so little to work with. Not even gonna talk about Eda and her family issues and parallels to chronic illness. So the main question is it truly wise to blame the fandom when the creators themselves don't give POC characters interesting conflicts, backgrounds or just some screen time ? ;)

i disagree on various points with you, anon, but i'll try to keep it as brief as possible: 1. the idea that abusive families=more relatable is inherently flawed by itself. if all you see when looking at luz noceda is a "generic quirky girl", that's is your opinion, but there's more to her than that, even more that what LO gives her credit for when she just wants her to be happy sapphic with no further issues. many kids can and do relate to her struggling to fit in, being the child of immigrants, living without one of their parents, wanting to scape to another world where she wouldn't be so different, but the show takes it one step further and tells us directly that life can't be solved as easy as that, that even if life is boring, mundane and not magical we still have to live with it. i could go on about how compelling i found the arc of her reconnecting with her mom only to realize what many children have to find out the hard way sooner or later: that her actions have consequences and those consequences can hurt people, just like it hurt her mom. but if you really want more insight into luz as a character, there are plenty of videos on youtube and i'm sure posts that could explained it better than i could. the same could be said about Willow slowly finding her way to grow from the shy girl of the first season into a brave leader or gus struggling with the pressure of being a child prodigy. LO is right that both of them could have been given more of a spotlight and actually deserved it because there is a lot of potential for the both of them, but she's wrong when she doesn't blame Disney for it and instead makes it the sole fault of the creator. 2. LO's actually right that there is racism in fandom... but not because hunter exist or teenage girls likes him, but because racism exist everywhere. it's a systematic issue that everyone is exposed to and can manifest in million different and insidious ways that sometimes aren't as easy as who loves more what character. she's wrong that everyone who likes hunter must do it for racist reasons, just like she was also wrong that people only liked reylo because racism. her own friend Carrousel ships huntlow herself so i assume that she must like hunter on some capacity. but as we have discussed before on this blog, LO doesn't know how to talk about systematic issues nor cares to. what she wants is to point fingers at someone and nothing else, be it to the creator that was treated unfairly by her employer but it's still her fault somehow, to the teenage girls having a crush on a fictional boy or any other group of people/individuals that she can point as the problem, one that we just need to get rid of to have everything turn out alright. all the while never even proposing a real solution herself. more people liking gus or skara won't solve racism in fandom. she putting down hunter constantly at every opportunity she has won't solve racism in fandom. it's doubtful that fandom even can solve the problem of it's own racism at all. but we do have alternatives that BIPOC fans have been trying out for years: blacktober, race bending, challenges, zines, hashtags, give more attention to POC creators, works of POC and spread the word about any of this initatives so more people can join in. LO already talks about how she never reads fanfiction (unless it's about Sylvannas, her favourite white undead character), she doesn't care about theories and it seems she only shares fanart she just happened to come across so of course she either doesn't know about any of them or doesn't care. she barely is on fandom for anything else that enjoy underage sapphic cute couples, there is no real motivation for her there. talking about how other people should like more POC characters more than white ones will never be enough. appreciating POC characters (only black in the case of LO) without dragging a white one too could be a fine start but it's just that if you don't then procede to try to give the spotlight to the actual real POC in fandom that have been ignored, when not harassed and mistreated because of not being white.

#lily orchard

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kennexara · 23 days

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so you're a geeky teenager in the early 2010s and you make a tumblr and back then everyone was always going on about supernatural, right?

so you watch supernatural. the last great american queerbait.

(you're not stupid and you're from the reddest part of your red state. the best you dared hope for in the finale was dean and cas alive and some subtle parallels between them and sam and eileen and they couldn't even do that.)

but truthfully, you had learned your lesson long ago, and you had learned it fast:

ship all the queer ships you want, rub your greedy bad bi rep hands over every character you want, but don't expect anything. don't give anyone power over what's canon in your heart.

your belief in this only grows stronger over the years, as you see it happen in fandoms you didn't go to - merlin, teen wolf, so many animated shows)

(not you legend of korra you're an angel and we're lucky to have you)

you saw it happen in ships you could not fucking understand why anyone was shipping in the first place (cough cough johnlock)

you saw it happen in the mcu again and again and wondered why nobody else seemed to learn the lesson.

it's not that there are no shows with queer relationships of course. it's just that most are very upfront about it or leave it vague enough that anyone with heteronormative lenses on doesn't pick up on it. nobody waits 7 seasons to float the idea an assumed-straight character might be bi.

you thought were prepared for star wars. so busy believing they wouldn't do a queer relationship but hey at least the resulting het relationship would be great. and then they did fucking reylo and you realized you can't even bet on the right het ships as you recall disney also wouldn't even follow through on clintasha.

so when you start watching another show tumblr's pretty hype about you don't expect nothing. like the canon relationships are great, and while you enjoy the fandom ships and queer heacanons you don't expect anything else. especially because the show has queer characters and relationships, they aren't afraid to go there they're just choosing not to with certain characters and hey, that's fine.

and then you catch up on the new season and that one supposedly straight dude IS KISSING ANOTHER DUDE WHAT THE FUCK I COULD'VE BEEN BETTING ON THIS THE WHOLE TIME I CAN'T EVEN USE CAPTAIN HOLT VINDICATION GIF BECAUSE I WAS SO SURE THIS WOULDN'T EVER HAPPEN.

#behold: my thoughts #no but seriously WHAT THE FUCK #CHARACTER EXPLORING HIS SEXUALITY LATER IN LIFE?? ON MY TV AND NOT MY AO3??#i need to go lie down

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these-are-the-first-steps · 6 months

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Woobfying reylo makes me cry so much.

There is a post going around of "disney parallels". Like it screams those girls in high school SGA trying to make every single school event "Disney Princesses" themed. And yes that was an actual thing I saw happen the one year I was forced into SGA. Football homecoming? "Let's do disney princesses!" Basketball Coming Home? "Disney Princesses!" Fucking SPIRIT WEEK OR CLASS SHIRTS??? Same fuckin goddamn girls. Can you imagine? And every time I see someone woobifying reylo like this it is the exact same horrible mismatched vibe and I just 😱😱😱

Anyway, that's my rant for the day.

#maybe expand your horizons past the 2nd grade people idefk man #reylo

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pyra-morgana · 3 years

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Oh, shit here we go again...

Oh...

OH...

#loki show #star wars #reylo #sylki #parallels #oh no what have i done #here we go agaaaaain #loki disney+#loki #sylvie laufeydottir #rey #ben solo #kylo ren #i ship em #reylo trash

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iiamendless · 3 years

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it could’ve been that easy disney...

#reylo #star wars #beauty and the beast #tangled #the rise of skywalker #episode 9 #ben solo #rey #the beast aka prince adam #belle #tangled eugene #rapunzel #parallels #disney #lucasfilm #mystarwarsedit

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chaotic-lesbian-things · 4 years

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Disney bought two companies and their charecters, and ROBBED them of a happy future turning this-

To this-

Additional painful GIF remainder-

I mean they were POWER COUPLES people

#reylo #the rise of reylo #reyloedit #TROS #endgame #pepperonyedit #pepperony #painful parallels #i see the light #i see what you did there #i seek the truth #but why #f your chiken strips disney #marvel #star wars #lucasfilms #DISNEY #not happy in 2019 #gosh bring them back already 2020

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intergalactic-cutie-pie · 4 years

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"After years and years of asking and asking and asking... "

"....she finally said yes. "

-Eugene Fitzherbert, Tangled

#eugene fitzherbert #ben solo #parallels #tangled au #rapunzel #reylo #ben solo disney prince #star wars tros

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nezumionice · 4 years

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OH GOD OH FUCK I KNOW WHY THIS SCREENSHOT LOOKS FAMILIAR NOW

FUCK YOU DISNEY

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r3d-scars · 5 years

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#reylo #star wars #rey #kylo ren #daisy ridley #adam driver #the last jedi #ben solo #the force awakens #star wars fandom #reylo trash #mine #disney #parallels #im screaming

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clairen45 · 5 years

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Just saw Toy Story 4 and was excited the whole time about the SW parallels...

I know others had brought forth before the strong Rey vibe about Bo Peep’s revamped style... and yes indeed but it goes beyond, my pretties , way beyond ! It is all good and sweet!

1)staff, check

2)arm bandage on the same spot as Rey after the throne room scene from TLj, check ( just that was enough to make me scream!)

3)she is a freaking scavenger ! Wtf Disney! Could you be even less subtle?

4)she built her own ride

5)she is a fighter and pretty much moved like Rey!

6)she was stranded in an antique shop/ pretty much Jakku

The overall theme of Toy Story has always been about Belonging. And Woody learns here that the belonging he is seeking is not behind but ahead of him... cough cough... ahem... cough more... Needless to say that the movie has

SPOILER ALERT

A happy ending with the two characters reunited for good and on to a life of adventure together...

Oh yes Disney, I see you! What an interesting reboot of this character into Rey...

#reylo fandom #reylo #reylo fam #star wars episode ix #disney parallels #bo peep is rey #toy story iv and star wars

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