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[chuckwon]

that feel when Abraham who is also Cain is trying to sacrifice Isaac and the one who used to be Isaac but is now Abel stands in front of him and begs him not to

but the truth is that it’s too late, Isaac’s been sacrificed already, because once it starts you can’t stop it

#and the love of Abraham’s life can only watch #supernatural #Chuck won #15x17 really is that bitch #but as always no one wants to have that conversationnnnn #I posted this on twitter then remembered everyone on there is gonna be like wtf and my actual audience for this is over here. hello <3 #niche posting at midnight

[chuckwon]

why is my boop o meter destiel confessing to me lol

#one boop post on this blog. as a treat.

[chuckwon]

15.01 || Back and to the Future

#scene that could literally more or less take place post-finale and still work #that loop sure does loop!

[chuckwon]

Day 1: Liminal

Doing this thing (but the catch-up version)

Also, hey check out the emo tiktok I used this piece for

#this is so Goddamn fucking good and so applicable to where canon stands as of now that it deserves to be on this blog #fanart #destiel

[chuckwon]

#thesis statement of why my meta + this blog exists #like this is basically what I said in the intro chapter

[chuckwon]

Stand By Me - Dean Winchester & Team Free Will With special thanks to @jurisffiction and @katebushstandean for the kind support! ▹ YouTube

#I reblogged this on main but I'm reblogging it here too because fuck it #the low note count on this is CRIMINAL and it's time to change that #because this video is a masterpiece. this is IT. THIS IS WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT!!!!!!!!! #LOOK AT THIS!!!!!!!!!!!! #video

[chuckwon]

I was randomly thinking about this little tidbit again and realized I never posted this video on here, so I thought I'd give you all psychic damage tonight.

Misha: “Obviously Chuck would be younger [in The Winchesters], and he’d be played by a…” Jensen: “Somebody much younger than Rob Benedict, like Alex Calvert.” –August 2022 (The Winchesters started airing in October 2022 and ended in March 2023)

Yeah... that checks out.

#jack kline #chuck won #chuck won theory #they were FUCKING insane for this. #spnwin #the winchesters #jensen ackles #misha collins #video #liiiiiike.... lmao. JENSEN'S SMIRK #sometimes I think 'I'm too lazy to write a long-form meta/book about the prequel. I'll just do bits and pieces eventually' #and then I think on it again and I'm like 'maybe the world DOES need it actually'...

[chuckwon]

THAT — MAUL? 👀👀

#I know this is not the point of this post but I need everyone to look at this and think about how it’s foreshadowing for the finale. #just the brothers against the world. by themselves. suddenly terribly unlucky. #trapped in a manufactured scenario / fight with vampires by a guy who commands monsters #a creator of entertainment who wants them to die with an audience #all of which is set within a quirky episode that makes it clear the boys are still trapped in a controlled narrative #👍🏻 normal show where normal things happen #of course… the difference? here they survive because they’re not actually alone. #but somehow the same is no longer true in the finale. (and dean never gets to dance with a partner.) I wonder why that is 🙂

[chuckwon]

Do you ever think about how Supernatural is the story of how a capricious and cruel author/father/god, who imprisons and then permanently neutralises his feminine equal/sister and orchestrates everything in his little sandbox to watch brothers kill each other, has to burn down the multiverse to suppress the one thing he cannot control: the irrepressible queer love story of Cas and Dean?

I do. All the time.

#I definitely think about it a normal amount. #having a 40k word book and sideblog dedicated to discussing this and other intersecting pillars of the narrative is normal right #I feel very calm and chill and relaxed about this topic when it comes up :) #supernatural is a queer text! on purpose!

[chuckwon]

this whole ouroboros thing keeps coming back to bite me in the ass

#moodboard

[chuckwon]

Supernatural 15x7 - "Last Call" (2019)

#haha remember when they ridiculed the idea of rapturing a car #haha remember when it was in the same episode where a dark mirror of Dean died impaled against a post #because he stopped caring about the little guy and he wanted to be lucky and live the dream. #haha does anyone else remember that. silly joke. I’m sure it means nothing <3 #the finale was definitely normal and good 👍🏻 #me constantly: can we talk about s15 of supernatural? I’m dying to talk about s15 of supernatural #and how it meticulously and deliberated foreshadowed the finale while denouncing every aspect of it as Wrong and Bad

[chuckwon]

I simply don’t like when people act like what happened to Jack is what should have happened (as if the show didn’t deliberately spell out it would be Bad beforehand!), or like we can hand-wave GodJack as being fine and good in a continuation as long as other ~more important topics~ like destiel are eventually addressed.

Jack’s fate is the crux of the tragedy of the finale. Supernatural is a show about parents and children, and that cycle of violence remains unbroken. Jack was forced to become like his grandfather (the cosmic Father of the universe) because that’s who his fathers needed/wanted him to be. Jack shouldn’t be seen as an afterthought or a side note. He’s the thematic center that ties everything together, including the queer family structure of destiel.

So here’s my hot take: whether or not they go fully explicit with any kind of Chuck won concept (and they don’t necessarily have to)… any continuation must address that what happened to Jack isn’t a good thing — for him, for their family, or for the universe since the show stated God shouldn’t have personhood — in order to truly be fulfilling.

#I meant to post this the other day and it was in my drafts #my meta #I guess??? ish #Chuck won #but you don’t even have to see it that way specifically or explicitly to know this is true #I’m just really side-eying so many of people’s so-called ‘sequel ideas’ that basically think of destiel and nothing else #I don’t want that and we SHOULDNT want that because that’s not all this show is. and that’s also why it’s so good #supernatural #spn revival #spn sequel #Jack Kline

[chuckwon]

Concept: Jack Kline was turned into an Ostium

And looking at how the Ostium was used in the season finale further underscores what will be needed in the future for the story to move forward, and for Jack and his family to heal.

Let's go through it:

LATA: Our box has a name. They call it the Ostium.

CARLOS: Oh. Latin for "an opening in the body." What, didn't any of you guys ever go to Sunday School? ...So is that thing organic? Is it a mouth or... [chuckles] any other kind of hole?

LATA: Let's just stick with a mouth, please.

ADA: So this box eats monsters?

–SPNWIN 1x07, "Reflections"

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ADAM: It's one of my ribs, dude. Everything can contain the spark of the divine, but this puppy? It's packing enough punch to create life. Or, in your case, destroy God.

SERAFINA: Jack, making your vessel strong, reclaiming your human soul, it was... it was all preparing you for this.

JACK: What'll it do to me?

ADAM: Start an elemental chain reaction. It fuses your soul and your grace into a... Like a...

SERAFINA: Metaphysical supernova.

DEAN: Meaning what?

ADAM: You'll collapse into a living black hole for divine energy. One nothing can escape—not the darkness, not God himself. But once it starts... you can't stop it. So, don't use 'til game time. You dig?

–SPN 15x17, "Unity"

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Dean: All that prep work we did to turn Jack here into a cosmic bomb? Oh. Well, it turned him into sort of a power vacuum. He's been sucking up bits of power all over the place.

–SPN 15x19, "Inherit the Earth"

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"A living black hole for divine energy" / "a power vacuum" is akin to how the Ostium functions. (And remember that Chuck orchestrated this outcome.)

The final step of Jack's transformation in 15x17 and the way the Ostium is activated are also similar:

Adam's rib, containing extra "spark of the divine," was placed in Jack's palm and he absorbed its power. After his initial explosion outward, Jack was then turned into a vessel that acted as a vacuum for divine power.

When an item was placed on the Ostium–like a rock from the Akrida's world–it absorbed the item, which determines what powerful beings the box "eats" and where it sends those beings when activated.

Both Jack and the Ostium were also wielded as weapons.

Which, of course, this show condemns explicitly:

LATA: So you had a friend stuck in a cycle of violence, and instead of helping him, you wielded him like some kind of weapon?

–SPNWIN 1x06, "Art of Dying"

And, with Joan / the Akrida Queen, we saw what happened to a hunter who absorbed monster essence: she became corrupted.

JOAN: What I decided was that the monsters weren't the problem, kid. Mankind is the problem. They always need saving. And Hunters are the ones who end up paying the price with our lives. And then what do these rescued humans do with their precious second chance at life? They waste it… kill each other, beat each other down, destroy our planet. Monsters have it right. Humans are nothing more than food.

LATA: Is that you talking? Or is it the monster essence that's powering you?

MARY: The monster essence drove her mad. She became so obsessed with making sure that Hunters were protected, and she believed the only way to do that was to wipe out everyone who needed saving.

–SPNWIN 1x13, "Hey, That's No Way To Say Goodbye"

(Joan is also a dark mirror for Dean, but that's a separate meta topic entirely.)

With how Jack is acting in 15x19 and the SPNWIN finale (and as part of Chuck Won as a concept), something seems to be wrong with him along those lines.

So in regards to the Ostium, what was the solution the team used in the season finale? What did they need to defeat the Akrida Queen?

ADA: The Queen is about to sing her swan song. We can't rewind this tape here.

CARLOS: Wait. What if we could rewind the tape? Metaphysically speaking, if you know what I mean.

–SPNWIN 1x13, "Hey, That's No Way To Say Goodbye"

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CARLOS: Well, whatever you feed it creates a portal connected to that object. So we fed it the rock, and it was able to shoot the Akrida back to their world.

MILLIE: So, if we feed it the journal and trace the sigils in reverse, the Ostium can bring here whatever was tied to the journal... the Mystery Man, if he's even alive.

–SPNWIN 1x13, "Hey, That's No Way To Say Goodbye"

They reversed the polarity of the Ostium to try to summon Dean, which required using the journal–something “personal” and “clearly connected” to him, as Mary said at one point.

Now, of course, the result when they used it on the Ostium was that it gave the team the Impala rather than Dean for plot reasons. However, the point holds: Dean's journal was the key to metaphysically rewinding the tape and getting the Ostium to release / return what it had absorbed.

That journal was filled with Dean's thoughts, which we got throughout the show in the form of the story he's telling / narrating. They're the healing lessons repeatedly demonstrated by the 1972 gang that Dean has to use in his own life to free himself from the trap he's in, break the cycle of violence, and get his own happy ending.

So, follow the through-line:

The Ostium and Jack are seemingly similar. Just like Dean's journal was used to reverse the Ostium and get it to release/return what it absorbed... The lessons inside of Dean's journal are what’s needed to reverse the polarity of Jack’s transformation, getting Jack to release the God power he absorbed too.

And what are those lessons in Dean's journal? Ah, well, that's what The Winchesters (the story Dean is telling) is dedicated to showing and telling us. That's the function of the entire show.

To highlight a few mirroring moments relevant to the topic at hand:

TONY: You're scared of your own son?

ADA: I'm not scared of you. I... you are my son, and I love you.

TONY: If you love me, you would've told me the truth.

[...]

ADA: I... was wrong to lie to you about who you are, and I was even more wrong for not believing in you. I know you're not your father. You're not the worst parts of him. You're not the worst parts of me. You're just... you're my... You're Tony.

–SPNWIN 1x05, "Legend of a Mind"

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MAC (possessing John): Why did you give up on me?

TRACY: I didn't know how to help you. I was scared.

MAC: I was scared too. I needed my family by my side.

TRACY: I know it's about ten years too late... but I'm here now, and I am so sorry.

LATA: It's not too late, Mac. You can still break the cycle.

–SPNWIN 1x06, "Art of Dying"

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MARY: Because I still want to get out of hunting. I really do. But it's not gonna be at your expense.

–SPNWIN 1x06, "Art of Dying"

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Mutual honesty, apologies, and forgiveness between Dean and Jack are the vital place where they must start. After all... Jack went through with his transformation and later with the corrupting absorption of God power simply because he was desperately trying to earn Dean's forgiveness, something that was repeatedly emphasized throughout season 15. The cycle remained intact instead of broken, and that's why they lost.

So saying that they need to reverse the polarity... What does that mean? It means that their family needs to have emotional release for there to then be the cosmic release of God power, so that that power can be put back out into the universe and no longer have personhood.

Only then will they break the cycle of violence and be able to be free of Chuck's influence once and for all.

You don't need Jack and Ostium parallels to understand and know this about the story. But I do think it's neat, further enhances the overall themes, and once again supports the fact that a Chuck won plot / what happened to Jack was deliberately being centralized! :)

#I went the fuck off with this honestly #I just rewatched 15x11 for fun while eating lunch because I felt like taking psychic damage and I’m going insane. What else is new #when I finally rewatch all of The Winchesters and write all the meta I owe everybody then what..............

[chuckwon]

SUPERNATURAL -> 2x11 ❝ playthings ❞ / 14x20 ❝ moriah ❞

+ bonus:

#INSANE INSANE INSANE!!!!!! #Abraham and Isaac #HELLLLOOOO #Cain and Abel was ALWAYS Abraham and Isaac #and then what happened in 15x17 and 15x19? THEN WHAT HAPPENED MOTHERFUCKERS??? #he killed his boy :( once it starts you can’t stop it :( this is my ending. my real ending :( #oh micro and macro cycles of violence we’re really in it now

[chuckwon]

I find it hard to imagine an emotionally satisfying and compelling plotline for an SPN sequel/revival that isn’t “Chuck won” related.

Here’s my logic:

-What reason would there be for Sam and Dean to push to ~leave Heaven~ if they’re supposedly content? (The Winchesters also showed us exactly why Dean ISNT content, at length, and that’s still true for his character whether or not the sequel/revival will reference any of its plot and events directly.)

-To position Sam and Dean as compelled to leave Heaven for ANY reason unavoidably highlights the original finale wasn’t a good ending. (Which, again, The Winchesters has already elaborated upon for 13 episodes.) That necessitates answering why and how that ending happened at all.

-They can go with some kind of general “Well life is life. Sometimes you die. True free will is that everything can’t be perfect :/ They just want a second chance“ but that WOULD be a cop out. Not compelling at all and blatantly hollow reasoning to just make more of the show.

-If Jack’s truly the new God, and that’s supposedly good and fine, what reason would HE have for resurrecting Sam and Dean? What could he ~need~? There’s no POV where Sam and Dean having more “work to do” isn’t tragic, and no compelling sense to it if it’s not about the obvious: Jack’s the problem.

-How’s Jack the problem? However you slice it, he’s been corrupted by God power. That routes back to Chuck because he orchestrated this outcome, as well as cycles of violence.

-Any SPN sequel requires reciprocal Destiel. It simply does. And the original silence—Dean and Cas being kept apart at the end of season 15—is thematically connected to all this.

-If Jack was corrupted by God power and that was Chuck’s plan all along, things have then been “fake” and called into question just like throughout s15; so, what’s real? Unavoidably there’d have to be emphasis on that. And what’s “real” still includes, purposefully, Destiel. They’re a hallmark of reality and their love is part of the key to their collective freedom.

It’s just math to me!! All the threads tie together!!!!

They could do something else, of course. But if they just pull some random big bad out that the gang needs to fight (that Good Jack can’t handle?? A BIGGER God??) it’ll be laughably transparent and hard to care.

That’s why the Akrida were even connected to Chuck in The Winchesters. They know this. They’re in a corner. They could resurrect Sam and Dean to do small cases again, but… again, to what purpose?

If they resurrect Supernatural, they’d better have a damn good premise.

There’s no Bigger Bad than the Big Bad they already fought and supposedly defeated…unless they didn’t win.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The brothers and the gay angel need to free their son. And themselves in the process.

#getting back on my bullshittttt (I never left) #I posted this on twitter days ago and forgot to put it here #supernatural #Chuck won #SPN revival #SPN sequel #Chuck won theory #Chuck won meta #my meta

[chuckwon]

OUROBOROS WRAPPED:

you consumed yourself 74 times this year

you ended 4 cycles and started 13 new ones!

you did not break the pattern today, so the loop will repeat tomorrow

try again next year?

#moodboard #we’ve got MORE work to do!

[chuckwon]

genuine big shout out to everyone who re-shared the meta on the finale anniversary when I forgot to because I have no concept of the passage of time <3

#I’ve been waist deep in other brainworms elsewhere #writing thousands of words of meta and fic and doing video edits and such. the usual. #honing my editing skills though may circle back around to me finally doing my SPN / SPNWIN meta parallels video.... eventually....