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dalelucien · 3 years

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Taylor Swift songs that remind me of Elucien because why not

1. Delicate

- Lucien being very anxious and trying not to overstep boundaries once Elain starts warming up to him a little more

- But also just.. being hopelessly enamored by her

"Is it cool that I said all that? Is it chill that you're in my head? 'Cause I know that it's delicate"

"Sometimes I wonder; when you sleep Are you ever dreaming of me?"

"Sometimes when I look into your eyes I pretend you're mine, all the damn time"

2. Afterglow

- Elain feeling guilty for shutting Lucien out for so long

"Put you in jail for something you didn't do"

"This ultraviolet morning light below Tells me this love is worth the fight"

"I lived like an island, punished you with silence"

"It's all me, just don't go Meet me in the afterglow"

"Tell me that it's not my fault Tell me that I'm all you want"

3. Lover

- honestly this song reminds me of every ship I like but whatever

- picture them dancing in the kitchen to this song

- just <3333

"Can I go where you go? Can we always be this close?"

"My heart's been borrowed and yours has been blue All's well that ends well to end up with you"

"I've loved you three summers now, honey, but I want 'em all"

4. invisible string

- Kind of on the nose with the mating bond but hey, it works

"Time, curious time Gave me no compasses, gave me no signs"

"And isn't it just so pretty to think All along there was some Invisible string Tying you to me?"

"Chains around my demons, wool to brave the seasons One single thread of gold tied me to you"

5. ivy

- just the entire metaphor of having someone slowly grow on you

- plus the lines about a fiancé/husband work because of Gr*ysen

"Your touch brought forth an incandescent glow"

"My pain fits in the palm of your freezing hand Taking mine, but it's been promised to another"

"Oh, I can't Stop you putting roots in my dreamland"

"My house of stone, your ivy grows And now I'm covered in you"

"Clover blooms in the fields Spring breaks loose, the time is near"

"How's one to know? I'd live and die for moments that we stole"

6. Daylight

- come on

- Lucien is pretty much the heir of the day court

"I've been sleeping so long in a 20-year dark night And now I see daylight, I only see daylight"

"I wounded the good and I trusted the wicked"

"I don't wanna look at anything else now that I saw you (I can never look away) I don't wanna think of anything else now that I thought of you (Things will never be the same)"

"I once believed love would be black and white But it's golden"

"I wanna be defined by the things that I love Not the things I hate Not the things that I'm afraid of"

7. Gorgeous

- kind of self explanatory

- honestly just feels like Lucien ranting about how pretty Elain is

"You've ruined my life, by not being mine"

"And I'm so furious At you for making me feel this way But, what can I say? You're gorgeous"

"You make me so happy, it turns back to sad, yeah There's nothing I hate more than what I can't have"

*honorable mention to She by Dodie, just because picturing Lucien listening to it and wondering why Elain doesn't feel the way he does makes me want to fall to the floor sobbing

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dalelucien · 3 years

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I’ve commented on a few posts now expressing how Lucien is an incredibly important character, but I don’t think I’ve done a post specifically about why.

I want to explain it all in full, without feeling like I’m being a nuisance in clogging up comments of posts because of the stupid character limits in replies.

So consider this post it.

I’m going to put all my thoughts on this in one large post, so I(and others if they want too) can reference back here.

Any thoughts and additions to this post is not only welcomed, but encouraged.

So I’m going to start. (I’m putting it under a read more as I plan on writing a lot for this, so yeah)

Still here? Awesome! Thanks!! Let’s just jump right in.

So I’m going to start off by expressing how I genuinely don’t know why people can’t or won’t understand that Lucien is the very character you do not want to piss off? He is basically holding all of the cards without realizing it. Not that he would intentionally start a fight.

There is a war brewing amongst the Courts of Prythian. This is heavily hinted at, especially throughout Silver Flames. Ever since Eris mentioned wanting to kill Beron and his reasons why, we have known there is war on the horizon.

While we believe that Beron will be the cause of this war, what starts it, as he marches on Spring, and human lands as well, for more territory for Autumn, I believe this to be a total red herring.* I believe this because I completely think that this war will be started because of Lucien.

No I don’t believe Lucien will actively start this war, but I believe he will be the cause of it. And I think it will come from the Blood Duel so heavily hinted at during Azriels bonus chapter for Silver Flames. But before I explain why, I’m going to explain just how this could happen to begin with.

Lucien Vanserra is a character, that is the political key to having a positive link with four out of seven courts, as well as the human lands. Lucien Vanserra alone has deep personal ties with these territories, where as everyone else is unable to attain themselves.

(1) Starting with where he was born, Luciens connection to the Autumn Court is easy to understand. He was born a son of Autumn. He was raised as Berons son. His mother is the lady of the court, and the only one of his brothers who carries any kind of good will towards him is set to become High Lord when Beron dies. Lucien, though he despises the Autumn Court is very, personally, deeply linked with it.

(2) Then Lucien moved to the Spring Court after Jesmindas death. He fled here, seeking refuge, and he received the refuge he sought. Tamlin could have given Lucien a place to live and left it at that. He didn’t have to become friends, or even take Lucien as his emissary. But he did. And in his time in the Spring Court, Lucien and Tamlin became really close friends. They became best friends. He spent hundreds of years as Tamlins best friend. They may not be as close anymore, but that does not erase the deep, personal ties to the Spring Court he has.

(3) Then after leaving the Spring Court, he went to the Night Court. His friend Feyre lives there, as does his mate Elain. While there isn’t a centuries long personal tie with the Night Court, the fact that Elain willingly chooses to live there keeps Lucien tied to it, for the simple fact that Elain is his mate. Rhys knows this(and I’ll touch on that in length in a little bit).

(4) After he can feel he isn’t overly welcome in the Night Court, how he makes Elain feel uncomfortable at the moment, he leaves. At this point, Elain is the ONLY thing keeping him there, as his once close friendship with Feyre is now extremely rocky, near nonexistent. So he leaves to the Human Lands, so Elain is comfortable. In these human lands, he forms close friendships with key humans, Jurian and Vassa. Jurian leading armies, and Vassa one of the Mortal Queens. Lucien is close friends with them, lives with them. Lucien isn’t just “staying with these humans” because he is actively living with them.

(5) This leaves his personal connection to the one place Lucien is completely unaware of, and quite possibly the one place and person that would be the hardest loss for Rhys, should things go horribly. Lucien is completely unaware of a deep personal link with the Day Court, as Lucien genuinely does not know that Helion is his father. Helion is unaware of this connection as well.

This is five major territories that Lucien alone holds very deep and personal connections with. Having Lucien allied to you means you have found political gold. Rhys knows this. Rhys is aware how politically important Lucien is, and he is shown to do what he can to hold onto Lucien as long as he can. He showed that he is actively trying to hold onto Lucien during Azriels bonus chapter.

Rhys catches Azriel and Elain almost kissing on the night of Solstices. He catches them kissing when Elain still has the mating bond with Lucien open, and fate undecided, also while Lucien is currently under the very same roof. While Rhys personally could have gone about stopping the kiss in a better way, we are very lucky it was Rhys who saw it and not Lucien.

I have seen people comment on how Lucien being biologically Helions son, means he has no right to enact a blood duel. This could not be further from the truth.

Yes it is true that Lucien is Helions biological son, this truth does not erase the fact that Lucien was raised in Autumn Court, as Berons son, with Autumn Traditions. The entirety of Prythian, with the exception of Lady Vanserra, Rhys and Feyre, believe Lucien to be a true son of Beron and Autumn, and would expect nothing out of sorts if Lucien enacts a blood duel for his mate. He has every right to call on that duel.

But just because Lucien himself has every right to enact a Blood Duel for Elain, does not mean he will. Everything in his character so far, says he would very much not do this. Despite how it has to hurt him, he has done everything he is capable of to make Elain as comfortable as possible. He moved out of not only Velaris, but the entire Night Court. He only shows up due to business and holidays. The only time we have seen him actively try to engage with Elain during his visits, is when he gives Elain her solstice gifts. He even mentions to Cassian that he doesn’t only come to the Night Court for his mate. Lucien is 100% giving Elain all the space she needs. He would not enact a blood duel, if Elain and Azriel end up together. He’s shown to fight against the mating instincts before with Greyson, so they, while fierce, wouldn’t make him fight.

When Rhys brings up the topic of the Blood Duel to Azriel, it is with hopes to steer Azriel away from Elain, but Azriel admits that he is not only aware of this possibility, but believes he would win it. A duel to the death, Azriel shows readiness, willingness, and confidence that he will fight in it, and win.

I personally don’t think Azriel would win. Yes, he has been training in the art of battle his whole life, he is not more powerful than Lucien though. Lucien is believed to be Berons true son, because the fire power from his mother is so strong, it showed up and is very active within Lucien. He also has the pure power that only comes with being the direct Heir of a High Lord. Lucien is extremely powerful. So even if he does not enact this Blood Duel, he would not lose just because Azriel is skilled in the art of battle.

I 100% believe it will be Azriel who initiates this fight, which is why I believe that we are lucky it was Rhys that stopped the kiss. I believe Azriel would start the Blood Duel, which would then be the breaking point, having Lucien explode in such a large display of light, revealing his power to its true extent, and revealing his true parentage to the world.

Remember when I mentioned above, that the Day Court and Helions connection to Lucien, could quite possibly be the most catastrophic to Rhys? Let me explain that.

So if Azriel enacts this duel, he starts it, causing the truth to be revealed. Helion and by extension Day Court has been Rhys’ longest and closest ally amongst the Courts. But if it comes out that Lucien is his son, while he is in an active Blood Duel, with an Illyrian Warrior, who also so happens to be Rhysands brother? Helions going to have opinions. He is going to be angry.

This could cause a catastrophic fall out between Night and Day, because if it is revealed that Rhys not only knew the truth about Lucien and Helion, but didn’t do more to keep Lucien safe, that will very much not go well for Rhys. All ties and alliance between Night and Day would crumble.

Rhys’s already unstable and rocky relations with the Autumn and Spring Courts would also fall apart. Tamlin, having been waiting for an excuse to fight against Rhys, stepping in because his former best friend actively in danger, would join in any fight against Rhys. Beron who had been itching for a war regardless, would step in, not for Luciens benefit, but under the guise of such. “He isn’t my son but I still raised him as my son, and you deliberately put him in harms way.” In sense. Vassa being a Mortal Queen, and Jurian leading the Mortal Armies, would step in if needed.

We have four territories now suddenly turning against the Night Court and by extension Rhys and Feyre. A war has been brewing, and this very Blood Duel could be the very single cause of this war.

Remember, Lucien is political gold. Even within the Night Court. Nesta, the current most powerful Fae living on this planet, sole person able to control the three Dread Trove items, could very well turn against Rhys, siding with Lucien, is she believes Azriel and Rhys didn’t stop this Blood Duel from starting knowing it could severely impact Elain.

People who ship Elain and Azriel, rather, the toxic people who ship them sorry, and want Elain and Azriel to have this forbidden romance, implies they rather Elain leave Lucien and the Mating Bond in limbo, forget him, let him suffer, unable to find someone else. These people who so want a “forbidden love” show how they truly do not understand the absolute chaos and how cataclysmic this “Forbidden Romance” trope can be.

This isn’t just “Oh Luciens feelings will be hurt.” No. We are talking possible out right full on war. And this war won’t stop once Elain publicly makes a decision either. There has been build up for a huge fight between Tamlin and Rhysand. There has been build up for an, incredibly more interesting, immense fight between Beron and Helion.

Let’s also not forget why Mor is on the continent. She is trying to get the Fae territories over there to go with peace and sign treaties. Treaties in hopes to prevent war. Those Fae Territories would also come into play should there be war, they aren’t open to signing the treaties yet.

This is messy. This will not stop easily. This will be horrible. Beloved lives may be lost. Alliances broken forever. Pure chaos and full on war.

All for the “Forbidden Love” trope.

The toxic Elain/Azriel shippers who want the forbidden love trope regardless, show that they either do not understand the ramifications that come with it, or just don’t care.

Lucien is not some side character with no weight. Lucien is the only Heir of Day. He is also a former best friend of Spring, and half son of Autumn. He has formed really close friendships with the Human Lands, and his mate currently lives in Night.

No I don’t think he would start a Blood Duel with Azriel for Elain, he would find a way to live with Elains choice if she chose Azriel, but that doesn’t mean Azriel wouldn’t start the duel. That doesn’t mean Luciens ally’s wouldn’t step in. That doesn’t mean war won’t happen.

Dont act like you care about the fact that Elain has a choice, only when it benefits you and your ship. Both ships are valid. Stop shitting on Eluciens and by extension Lucien just because we have key points in our favour. We don’t do that to you.

Whether you like it or not, Lucien is one of the most important characters in this series. You can not deny that his political ties, that he alone holds, makes him one of the most powerful and influential players in all of Prythian.

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Use this post and the points I’ve made for yourself if you want. If I have missed any key points don’t hesitate to let me know. I feel very passionately about this.

* Red Herring :: something, especially a clue, that is or is intended to be misleading or distracting.

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