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Yes, thank you for saying this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I really want to add one thing that I also noticed in my experience and that I think isn't often spoken about generally in the ace community.

(tw: it's about going through puberty and having your body act against you)

It's not from my personal experience, because even though I'm ace, I was born female so my puberty looked a bit different than that of the people born male.

In my late teenage years I had a group of friends who also identified ace and we could talk about literally anything with each other and share our most personal thoughts and experiences. We were still going through puberty so our hormones were doing pretty wild things to us and our bodies. One thing that my amab friends experienced was that their bodies would act as if they felt sexual attraction even if they actually did not. It was a wild thing for them and we would support each other in our little conversation group cause it was a bit confusing and scary for them to have their bodies act out of control, against their emotions.

I am sure that this problem is not exclusive just to people with male bodies but when we tried to research the topic we could only find other amab people with this problem.

My point is that aroace people aren't some clueless babies. Even if you're aroace, you and your body still go through puberty like everyone else. Often your body will have reactions just like other peoples' bodies, which for ace people can actually be quite confusing and scary (because well, you're body is totally ignoring how you actually feel).

In my experience the ace people I've met (no matter their sex or gender) were often actually more aware of their feelings and bodies than other people.

Like you wouldn't believe HOW MANY sex workers, sex educators or psychologists specializing in sex are ace. The only thing you need is to open your mind and you'll see ace people are everywhere and they're not some clueless babies.

Hello, don't mind me, I just need to vent for a second.

First off, I just wanna say, as an aroace person on the ace-spectrum, feel free to ship Alastor all you want. Ship him with anyone. Have fun with it. Sex repulsed. Non-sex repulsed. Grey-ace. Demisexual. Pure unadulterated smut. Whatever, have at it. I love that shit.

Just please do it without infantilizing ace-aro people.

The amount of art, fics, and takes I've come across that's so patronizing to Alastor and his sexuality. Thing's like Alastor venting to Rosie about his feelings for a character with the caption "Alastor feeling love for the first time." Or Alastor wanting to have sex with a character and having feelings about that, and someone commenting "That's called a boner, sweetheart. That means you like them 🤭"

Like??? Like do ya'll not see how patronizing that sounds? Being ace-aro doesn't mean you don't know your own body. It doesn't mean you don't understand the functions of your body.

It doesn't mean you've never experienced intense emotions. It doesn't mean you've never experienced love before.

And, look, I know these are meant to be jokes. I know. People are joking. I laughed at the first few I came across, too. It's not meant to be harmful or condescending; no one means it that way. But there's been so much with such...bad takes recently, and I don't know about any other ace-spec people (I don't speak for all ace-specs. Hell, there are probably other ace-spec's who don't mind, enjoy it, or are making content like it themselves. I just speak for myself) but GOD it's getting uncomfortable.

Alastor is in his late 30's-early 40's in human years. That is the established age range we have for him. Do you really think that he'd go that long without ever experiencing "love?" He went through puberty just like everyone else, do you think he doesn't understand his own body???

Being asexual, or sex-repulsed, or touch-repulsed doesn't mean you automatically don't explore these parts of yourself. It doesn't mean he's never, once in his life, touched his own dick, or pussy, or whatever genitalia you're giving him. He can still very well be a "virgin" (which in and of itself is a social construct) while also knowing his body and confidently handling any "sexual needs" he has.

Do you really think he doesn't know what a boner is? That in all the years he's been alive and dead (on Earth and in Hell), he wouldn't have experienced these things once? (And you know what? Maybe he hasn't! Perhaps there are ace's out there like that! But you're telling me he doesn't KNOW what that is??? Really???)

Ah, no, it's all because he just hasn't found the right person yet, right? It's not until Lucifer/Angel Dust/Vox, whoever found him, and they gave him these feelings, and oh no, poor Bambi is feeling twitterpated and horny for the first time, isn't that romantic!

Honestly, not really. It just sounds like the same, stupid shit ace-aro people hear from family, friends, and acquaintances about their sexuality. You know, the tried and true: "Oh, you just haven't found the right person yet. You'll want all that eventually, you'll see😊"

Do you not see how frustrating that is?

Look, I am all down for Alastor exploring parts of himself. I want him to navigate different relationships, feel them out, figure out what kind of relationship he wants and what he's okay and not okay with doing. But there are ways to do that without treating him like a little UwU silly baby boy who doesn't know his own body, or his own emotions, or his own relationships with other characters. Like he needs someone to teach him about himself.

How about instead, he finds someone he feels comfortable exploring these elements with? Instead of them "teaching" him how to fuck, or masturbate, or whatever the hell you want to call it, they're giving him the room and safe-space to explore it at his own pace??!!

It comes across as someone who isn't on the ace-spectrum "teaching" an ace-spec character about their own sexuality which puts such a gross taste in my mouth. Or, at least, that's how it comes across to me.

And the thing is, I know people aren't going to stop. I know they're going to keep infantilizing Alastor and his aro-ace identity, and I wasn't originally going to make this post, because you can't control what people do in fandom.

So this is mostly just a post to say: HEY! Hello! Ace-aro person here! I hope you all are having fun and I love that you're exploring Alastor's asexual/aromantic identity! Especially those who may not be in the ace-spectrum themselves, as you're learning about us and our experiences! That's awesome! Can we just do that while also treating Alastor like the adult he is? Can we do that without being infantilizing and patronizing about his sexual identity? Please?"

That's all I really wanted to say. I just needed to get this off my chest instead of letting it fester. This isn't an attack on anyone, this is just the perspective of an Alastor multi-shipper who loves exploring his relationships with other characters (sexually and non-sexually) and deep-diving into the dynamics of the show.

Thanks for reading.

#as I was also a sw it's extremely frustrating for me how people didn't take my sexuality seriously #when they find out about my past job they still do #and i think it is also so important to talk about ace people and puberty #cause puberty is scary for everyone #but it can be double the scary for ace people whose bodies can behave against them

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demonstenes · 2 months

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Fic Name: Damage Control

Rating: General Audience

Relationships: Alastor/Lucifer Magne | Morningstar

Characters: Alastor (Hazbin Hotel), Alastor's Shadow (Hazbin Hotel), Lucifer Magne | Morningstar, Charlie Magne | Morningstar, Carmilla Carmine (Hazbin Hotel), Vox (Hazbin Hotel), Valentino (Hazbin Hotel), Velvette (Hazbin Hotel), Zestial (Hazbin Hotel), Rosie (Hazbin Hotel), Zeezie

Additional Tags: Humor, Alastor Whump (Hazbin Hotel), Rosie and Alastor are Besties, Lucifer Magne | Morningstar Being a Jerk, Alastor Being a Jerk (Hazbin Hotel), Cinnamon Roll Charlie Magne | Morningstar, Carmilla Is Done With This Shit, Zeezie Wants The Hot Gossip, Vox Being a Jerk (Hazbin Hotel), Jealous Vox (Hazbin Hotel), Obsessive Vox (Hazbin Hotel), One-Sided Alastor/Vox (Hazbin Hotel), Vox IS Having A Meltdown, Valentino Being Valentino (Hazbin Hotel), Velvette Holding The Only Brain Cell, Until She Loses It Too, Heavenly power is poisonous to demons, Alastor the Roach King, Hiding Medical Issues, Major Character Injury, Developing Relationship, Fake/Pretend Relationship, Politics, Worldbuilding, Hell Worldbuilding, Insecure Alastor, Crack-ish, Attempt at Humor

Summary:

Hell's inhabitants are running wild with the news of Lucifer and Alastor's recent "scandal." On his outing to meet with the other Overlords, Alastor contemplates how to get rid of this annoying rumor...or how to manipulate it to his advantage.

AKA

Alastor wants to talk about Charlie's hotel, please and thank you; the Overlords want that hot gossip, and Vox is having a meltdown.

| Part 3 of "Just Kiss Already" |

#YAAAASSSS #I'm at work right now #but I'm reading it as soon as I get home <3

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