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tsskyx · 3 years

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Determination, Frisk, suicide, etc.

https://whatwillyoudodifferently.tumblr.com/post/150477111451/why-would-you-ever-climb-a-mountain-like-that

This post will deal with topics similar to the ones stated in this linked post. It’s not a response to it, I was just inspired by it to talk about my head canons. As per usual, this will be a very specific writing that will probably not apply to you, you will most likely disagree with it. I personally am simply feeling the need to write these things down again.

So, to start, it is true that Determination in Undertale could be interpreted as some sort of allegory to suicide. After all, it deals with hope and willpower, and those things are something that depression / suicidal ideations directly relate to.

However, I’m not sure I feel it fits perfectly, at least to me, it’s different enough to wonder if I can construct a better head canon for myself. Depression is poetic, but as a content creator, I wish to explore other avenues of thought too.

For one, we know that Chara was suicidal; if not outright when climbing the mountain, then at least later with the entire buttercup plan. To me personally, it seems strange to overuse the same trope again for Frisk, so when I first saw Asriel’s line about climbing the mountain, where he implied exactly this, I was doubtful that he just happened to guess it right in Frisk’s case.

The concept of Determination is also finicky. Frisk is almost constantly feeling determined, save for New Home, where the narrator no longer says that they are, and the number of save points per area rises sharply. If Frisk was coming from the same or similar place as Chara, then at least we could use this to pin down the nature of their Soul Trait. If traits are variable (which I’m slowly starting to think they are), then perhaps that implies the red trait is something along the lines of “not being alright”, “being more troubled with your own issues than projecting your interests and energy outwards”, something that depression could be a subset of. Hell even the soul color kinda matches, the heart is in essence “bleeding”.

However, if Frisk is not in the same mind state as Chara, then what can we actually deduce about them? Well, to begin with, I think the other possibilities that Asriel listed could just as well be true, fate or foolishness. Personally, I think it’s both, I think Frisk was somehow being foolish, but themselves thought (at this point in the game) that it was fate. (I mean, we did get all that dialogue about Suzy and synchronicity or whatever.)

So, what about Determination itself then, what role does it play, and does it relate to Frisk and Chara’s Soul Trait at all? For one, I also wanted to mention that I always found it weird that being determined and being depressed could somehow coincide/coexist. Isn’t Frisk’s determination less indicative of depression, and rather more indicative of the fact that they are able to effectively push through their depression, if they do have it? Plus, the RESET power is supposed to be universal, so isn’t the feeling of being determined less indicative of anything specific about Frisk and more about the fact that they are the player right now? But then indeed, why does the narrator feel the need to remind them all the time, what do they know about determination and SAVING?

There is a theory out there that Chara themselves could save, load and reset. (It’s called the Chara reset hell theory if you’re interested. Too lazy to grab the link rn.) If true, it could explain why Chara is telling Frisk these things, and would make more sense than if they somehow correctly guessed that Frisk is feeling down or that Frisk told Chara that they are feeling down so early on.

So, do I think that Frisk is depressed? It’s certainly one way to interpret the canon, but it doesn’t affect anything else about the game, and as a theory, there’s not much specific evidence for it either, most of it could very well be indicative of other things, as I’ve shown.

What about Frisk then, and also the red trait? Due to how little we know about them, every single theory that people make up for them feels very cliche to me, and literally everything in UT could be interpreted as an allegory for Frisk’s backstory, including that damn quiche under the bench in Waterfall. What’s worse, some of the best theories (in the sense that they are the most self-explanatory) regarding their origin are usually posited by those who believe that Frisk is the player, that they are not human but a piece of code, which, as a head canon, is not my thing, and as a theory, is making me barf. I just don’t like it... no, I hate it, it’s very dehumanizing and I wish to make up something for them that makes sense, but without using “the meta” to do so.

However, there is a lot open space in regards to the red trait. Even if I don’t believe that Frisk is depressed, ergo they are feeling very determined (since as I said, the logic of it doesn’t seem completely sound to me), it could still be the case that the red trait is indicative of a depression, or perhaps, some other mind state that they happen to share with Chara.

(Not to mention that Flowey came back numerous times despite being suicidal, that Chara was suicidal yet hopeful and determined, which, if the reset theory is true, actually made their soul persist instead of initiating a reset, and that the 6 fallen humans all met the same fate instead of any of them beating Asgore and taking his soul. In other words, we know so little about how Determination actually relates to willpower that it’s almost useless to theorize about it. I for example think that all humans have a base level of determination which grants them certain basic powers, but that proaction, whatever the goal might be, might help them accomplish other things too, be it something positive, or in Chara’s case, something negative.)

We know the red trait could also be “being yourself”, so again, if soul traits are descriptive of something else, rather than being prescriptive and immutable themselves, then perhaps the red trait is indeed indicative of... whatever Frisk and Chara might have in common. On the other hand, if the trait is immutable, then perhaps it denotes an inclination/predisposition towards certain kinds of behavior, which however would go to erase Chara’s ill experiences on the surface, so I’m not sure about that, unless I find an alternative way of interpreting this take without effectively blaming Chara’s hardships on their own Soul.

Perhaps I will revisit this post sometime in the future, should I think of something else.

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rainbow-scarab · 3 years

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This is my take on Asgore (with a healthy side of Chara).

Obligatory disclaimer that you are free to have your own take, and I enjoy seeing other takes! In the end he's just a fictional character, and people have all sorts of life experiences that lead them to different interpretations.

Also warnings for discussions of difficult subjects found in Undertale, such as suicide, guilt, grief, psychological trauma, death, war, genocide, etc.

Asgore rates pretty low on my scale of UT character morality XD Though I find him an interesting character.

Asgore has both good and bad points as anyone in UT. He's a gentle soul at heart who likes bringing joy to others. But he is very reluctant to wield responsibility. And I believe this inaction is what's behind most of his other negative points, especially when it comes to making decisions.

When Chara came to the Underground, there was renewed hope. Asgore called them "the future of humans and monsters". For a time they all were a happy family, Asgore, Toriel, Asriel, and Chara. Or mostly. Chara was a very troubled child.....

Chara and Asgore were close, as were the rest of the Dreemurrs to Chara. But I don't think they quite knew how to help Chara. Chara must have had such a horrible life among humans to hate them so much...and then just decide to leave where they would never return. They found a loving family, and loved monsterkind. But they were still quite disturbed and probably had a lot of self-hate, both for being human and for their problem behavior. Being designated "the future of humans and monsters", they may have felt a lot of pressure.....and took what actions they thought would help monsters. Already hating humans, and humans being the cause of the monsters' imprisonment underground, on top of the self-hate, killing themselves and going on to kill six more humans in pursuit of monster freedom would feel like the best way they could contribute to a family, and species, that they loved so dearly.

Though I don't think being designated "the future of humans and monsters", a symbol of hope to the kingdom, ended up being healthy for Chara, I don't blame Asgore for this. The kingdom really needed that hope. And the Dreemurrs themselves would have been overjoyed both for that species-wide hope, and for the place Chara had in their family. It would be near impossible to be able to guess what Chara would ultimately do. It seems Chara did not open up about what had happened to them to Toriel and Asgore, and only partially to Asriel. But I think they would have been able to provide an environment of love and support to help Chara heal had they been there longer.

(Check out this post for a thorough analysis of Chara. It talks about and give evidence for Chara and Asgore's relationship. Also explains the "Chara is the narrator" theory I'll reference later)

But once Chara and Asriel took action, and both died.....Asgore became enraged. He declared war on humanity, completely reversing tone from before. Toriel left, and Asgore was alone.

In the years that followed, Asgore's declaration was followed. Monsters had great prejudice towards humans, and the royal guard kept a lookout for humans. Humans would either be killed by the guard, or Asgore himself.But at least by the time we get to him....he doesn't seem to be angry with humanity. He doesn't pretend that he will try to be friendly with Frisk the same as he does with other monsters, but...he wants to be. And he will give Frisk all the time they need before their fight. Doesn't even seem to care if it's years down the line. He just won't let Frisk pass in the end.

Once you fight and defeat him, he expresses how much he hates all the stuff about war, and just wishes for everyone to be happy and hopeful again. And perhaps...it could all just be over, and Frisk could leave the Underground with his soul. (More on this later)

To me, Asgore's big flaw....is not his declaration of war. Though that is definitely bad. One does not just declare their intention to not just kill humans to free monsters, but to destroy all of humanity, while in a position of power and influence...for that to be dismissed as nothing.

But....he was also very angry, for a very understandable reason. And....at some point....that anger subsided. And yet, he continued on the same path.

To me Asgore's biggest flaw is that he avoids responsibility and making decisions. The only time he ever is shown to make a significant decision...is his declaration of war, and it took extreme emotion for that to happen. But once back to more reasonable levels of emotion, he wouldn't even take action to reverse his own declaration. He felt duty-bound to kill humans, or else they would lose hope. Mmm...I'm not sure if that's just what he was telling himself to avoid decision, and perhaps the feared consequences of changing course were overblown. More on this in a minute.

In the past, it was Asgore and Toriel ruling together, even if Asgore seemed to the be official one in charge. As far as I can tell, they worked well together. Toriel on most of the details of running a kingdom, and Asgore, keeping up the spirits of monsterkind. Once Toriel was gone....no one really replaced her role.

(pic from Alarm Clock dialog)

Asgore did not develop the skills to run things well, and did not find anyone to help as far as I can tell. Undyne became head of the Royal Guard sometime after Toriel left (Undyne does not recognize her when they meet), though it's possible the Royal Guard itself appoints their own leadership. At the very least, Asgore appointed Alphys into the long-vacant position of Royal Scientist.

Though as seen by this bit of dialog from one of the neutral endings, merely having people in official positions doesn't mean his role as king is supposed to be over. Proper oversight would have certain made the amalgamate situation different anyways.

(There's the question of Sans possible working for Asgore. But since there's no hard evidence that I know of for this, I'm not really using this in my analysis)

Asgore still wants to get help. I think...to be unburdened from some or all of his responsibilities. Even if he doesn't know much about who he's asking help from. Like Frisk.

Ambassador is a huge responsibility to place on a young kid. Granted, there aren't other human choices, and even a child with no political skill would be a great symbol to bring humans and monsters together. And this child is the one who just saved everyone pretty much. Okay, I’ll grant him that.

Once defeated in a neutral run, he asks Frisk to take his soul and head to the surface. He would pass on the fate of monsters and humanity to someone he knows nothing about, not even their name, only that they came and defeated him in battle. But perhaps he just was...tiring of even trying anymore. Perhaps he was filled with guilt and grief and just...didn't want to live anymore. Okay. Spare him, and he entertains the thought of living a peaceful life together as a family, before Flowey kills him.

If you complete a neutral ending, then go back and defeat Asgore again on a neutral route, you get some special extra dialog. On choosing to spare him, Flowey doesn't come as quickly to kill him. He thinks again of life as a family, before dismissing it as fantasy. He identifies you with Chara (for having hope), with the prophecy of the angel, and then asks you to find a way to free monsters without really giving you a choice. ...again, he knows nothing about Frisk, their name, where they come from...only that they would give them mercy. And yet he is willing to make them in charge of the fate of all monsters. He kills himself, offering his soul up (before Flowey destroys this possibility).

(Side note...this or my analysis do not have the message that suicide is avoiding responsibility. I analyze his stated motives. It's quite possible that he had additional feelings of guilt and grief that led him to chose this. Even if not, it can't and shouldn't be generalized for other suicides)

Asgore is so reluctant to act...not even in genocide will he do anything special to save his people.

When you reach Asgore, clearly he has not heeded the warning and absorbed the human souls. I considered that perhaps Alphys did not call as she hates phone calls. But... there's a Queen Alphys ending, an aborted genocide ending. In it she pushes aside her fears and steps up, saving her people, implied that she hides them in the True Lab. I think this Alphys would have called.

He even gets a second warning here. But...he still tries to reason his way through, and speak with kindness. He is promptly killed.

In addition to his reluctance towards taking action, the other half of why Asgore wouldn't change...is that he was afraid that the people would lose hope.

...but I agree with Toriel. Through Asgore's lack of leadership, and continuation of the anti-human policies that came about when he was angry...the hope in the future that Asgore gave his people was dark.

In reality, though Asgore didn't want his people to lose hope...he himself had already lost hope. Perhaps that's why he couldn't bring true hope to his people.

In the Queen Toriel neutral ending, Asgore and the six human souls are gone. Toriel has instated a new policy to treat humans as friends. The people's hopes have taken a blow....but I don't think all is lost. It is possible to have a new vision and policy going forward, without Asgore or hoping for humanity's destruction.

In the King Papyrus ending, things are not quite as bright. There's a new policy to treat humans on a case by case basis. Papyrus tries to keep everyone working and fed. Sans does...a lot of paperwork. Productivity is up. But.....things are really hard. Papyrus is a great candidate to keep people's hopes up, kinda like Asgore (...Sans functions like Toriel too taking care of a lot of the details lol). But the Underground has lost many of their most beloved in this ending.

Yes.....I don't think Asgore, despite having lost hope, was only a detriment to monsterkind. His presence still brought some hope to the people, and his death was something to be mourned. But the loss of Asgore and his vision forward is just one factor in the outcome. Ultimately, I think Asgore's fears were not very true. If he changed course, away from his declaration of war...the people would adjust.

....Through all this.......

There was still one person still filled with Asgore's original hopes.

Chara never forgot Asgore's words as they lay dying. Even though they didn't heed these words....Asgore was an important figure to them in life.

Chara sticks by you the entire game, giving narration. In a few parts of the game, they share their memories with you, like when they fell into the Underground and were found by Asriel. And.....

When you die....they relay Asgore's own words to you. A message of hope to keep you going. A message that repeats to you the entire game, as many times as you need it upon death. Determination...the will to keep living...the resolve to change fate.

When you reach Asgore...he sees it. Maybe it doesn't mean anything special. A child may be full of hope for many reasons. I just kinda...want to believe that the same message of hope he gave to Chara...encouraged Frisk to make it this far, and it shines through on their face.

Through Frisk, Asgore's hopes come back to him. It's come full circle. He believes in a bright future again. A future with both humans and monsters.

You meet Asgore at the very end of the game. You've known him all of five minutes before Flowey shows up, and the final battle begins. Perhaps this is why he didn't have time to grow beyond this. Maybe, once on the surface, he'll work on himself further. Or not, I dunno, he stayed the same for a long time. We don't know.

Honestly....in the course of writing this my perspective on Asgore has changed. I expected to mostly write about his flaws, and why I thought of him poorly. But I didn't want to be unfair. And well...in Undertale.... When you dig a little deeper, you can find so much more about them than your assumptions and initial impressions. That the whole beauty of the game.

While I still think that Asgore is one of the most flawed people in the game...he has his good points too. And those actually turns out to be pretty important. Stay determined ❤

Screencaps from the Undertale Text Project (the work of squishing many textboxes in one image done by me)

P.S. One of the funnier lines in the game to me:

Thank you for reading!

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undertalethingies · 4 years

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The Third Worst Day

Loosely inspired by the ninth chapter of @undertalethingems Unexpected Guests comic, and by the end of John Mulaney’s Delta Airlines bit. (“In fact, we’re gonna frame you for MURDER! [...] ~Because we’re Delta Airlines, and life is a fucking nightmare~”)

Sans was not having the shittiest day of his life, because everyone was on the surface and Frisk was being nice this timeline.

The second shittiest day, though- well, no, not that either, technically speaking. Nothing was on fire except maybe Undyne’s house underground, and that just because no one could be bothered to put it out when everyone was moving to the surface anyway. (Please don’t ask about the second shittiest day of Sans’ life, he will not tell you and will instead have flashbacks)

Ugh, it was really indicative that this BS only ranked third.

So, the curtain opens on the third shittiest day of Sans’ life, and maybe, like, the eighth worst thing to ever happen to him.

What could be bad enough to rank on Sans’ top ten worst days list, though? (which is a list he actually made once, as a joke, and then he looked at it and kind of wanted to cry, before laughing instead because that’s just how Sans copes with things)

Well, you see, he was being framed for murder.

Flowey, specifically, was currently attempting to frame him for the death of the old royal scientist, W.D Gaster, who Sans had met maybe once in his entire life.

Admittedly, the fact that he actually remembered said meeting, and that there had been a previous royal scientist at all, was highly unusual.

He didn’t remember for anywhere close to the reasons Flowey was insinuating, though. No, the reason Sans remembered the old royal scientist had very little to do with the scientist himself and a lot more to do with how remembering across timelines was triggered in the first place.

Cross-timeline memory retention (which are the Official Science Words for it) was triggered by high levels of Determination. No more, no less. And Sans had very high DT levels for a monster. It was pretty much the only reason he’d managed to make it to adulthood with just a single point of HP to his name. (Undyne remembered a bit too, he suspected, though he’d never called her on it)

So the reason Sans remembered the existence of Gaster was the same reason he had what little knowledge he did of the RESETs, though he remembered far less of those, due to having fewer triggers for the memories to resurface. (The fact that no one knew who had built the CORE had been enough for Sans’ mind to fill in the blanks)

Flowey was saying that Sans remembered because he’d known the guy, which was just flat out wrong. The weed was insinuating that Sans couldn’t possibly due the things he did without being a scientist, which was partially true, and finally accusing him of killing Gaster, either to steal his research or because Sans was the Judge, (Nice of Flowey to out him, the little shit) which was blatant slander.

Sans could see that the others (excluding Alphys, who knew the story was bullshit) didn’t want to believe what Flowey was saying, but he could also see that, despite that fact, he was still convincing them.

Flowey, after all, was a very skilled liar. Especially when it came to convincing people of crazy backstories he’d concocted on the spot. It made sense, since he’d had rather a lot of practice.

As Flowey finished his story, Sans looked at Alphys. He texted her a question about an old promise he’d made to her that was suddenly not one he was sure he should keep. (He’d do it anyway, if she asked, but breaking it would make disproving Flowey’s allegations that much easier.)

“And that’s why- are you on your PHONE?” Flowey interrupted himself, looking hilariously offended for someone who was actively framing a guy for murder.

“Is that how little you care? You killed him and you can’t even be bothered to hear out the allegation?” Oh, so that’s how he was playing it. Sans narrowed his eyes, just a bit, before responding.

“eh, you looked like you were having fun. wouldn’t want to interrupt, ya know?” Earlier in the conversation, when Sans was still actively participating, Flowey had interrupted him several times. Alphys snickered at his jab, and hit the send button on her phone.

Sans checked the text, and inwardly sighed in relief. Seemed like he could take the easy way out here.

“Sans, please put away your phone. This is a serious conversation,” Toriel said. Sans supposed he had to agree to disagree on that one. This wasn’t much of a conversation at all as much as it was Flowey using his knowledge to manipulate the room in a way that allowed him to frame Sans for murder.

“yeah, don’t worry, tori. it was relevant,” She looked as if she doubted that, but she didn’t say anything. Sans sent Alphys a quick thank-you and stuck the offending device back in his pocket. He turned to look at Flowey, who probably would have shrunk from the ice in his gaze if Flowey had ever bothered to figure out how to read his expressions.

“so, you done, pal?” There were several winces around the room at the vitriol present in his tone, but none of them belonged to Flowey.

“Yeah, I think I’ve made my point pretty clear!” Flowey looked positively cheerful at the thought.

“good, ‘cause i’m getting pretty tired of hearing you speak. don’t want a repeat of the last time you tried something like this, right?” Last time Flowey had attempted something like this with Sans present, the weed had still been in control of the timeline. Sans had killed him before he could even finish his speech.

“Ha! You wouldn’t dare! Not when Frisk is-” Flowey cut himself off before he could dig all three of them (four of them?) into a hole they really wouldn’t be able to talk their way out of. Frisk shot him a glare, with an expression that said they’d probably kill Flowey themselves, if he didn’t shut his trap. The weed gulped audibly.

“A-anyway! Are you gonna explain yourself, trashbag?” Papyrus made the same pinched expression he always did when Flowey used that particular moniker.

“heh. sure, why not,” Sans’ grin turned predatory.

“i’m not gonna bother asking you to back your claims with evidence, since we both know you don’t actually have any,” Flowey narrowed his eyes, probably thinking of a thousand ways to justify that, but Sans continued without giving a chance.

“you’re right that i used to be a scientist, so kudos for that, i guess. my leaving the field had nothing to do with gaster, though. it actually happened quite a while after that,” Sans preferred not to talk about this, but with Flowey forcing his hand, it seemed like the simplest solution.

“my leaving had nothing to do with gaster, and everything to do with the experiments that got alph fired,”

When Sans had been younger and more optimistic, he’d wanted to be a scientist more than anything in the world. He’d spend hours combing through the dump for old textbooks, and the few he found, he’d pore over until he had them practically memorized.

So when an ad went out saying that the new royal scientist was looking for an assistant, he’d jumped at the opportunity. Sans had spent hours studying for the required tests, barely even eating in his complete dedication to the task before him.

Sans didn’t know whether he’d had the highest score, or if he’d been selected for his blue magic, (a rare ability that was extremely useful for engineering) or if had simply been because he lived so close to the lab at the time, but he got the job. He’d celebrated for a day straight, and would probably have irritated the hell out of Papyrus if they’d been living together at the time. (Sans was in that young adult phase where he lived alone in a shitty apartment because he was trying to be independent)

When he’d first met Alphys, he was not ashamed to admit to having geeked out a bit. She was considered one of the greatest minds of their generation, after all.

He’d tried to keep it to a minimum, though, (correctly) figuring that she wouldn’t have much use for him as an assistant if he was too busy with hero worship to contribute anything.

Though they’d been awkward together at first, they’d quickly warmed up to each other, and soon at least half of the new innovations exiting the lab had their roots in Sans’ ideas as much as Alph’s.

Quickly enough, they’d become best friends.

And then…

Then had come the Determination experiments.

Both Alphys and Sans had agreed it would be best not to allow the amalgamates out of the True Lab. Alphys had confined herself to her workplace, moving in a bed and her anime collection so she’d only have to leave for the occasional grocery run.

Sans had kept his status as her assistant under wraps, though, so he didn’t have to worry about being cornered by the victims’ families like she did. Papyrus had mentioned recently that he was looking for someone to go in halfsies with him on a housing lease in Snowdin, so Sans did what he did best, and ran away from his problems, packing his stuff and moving just about as far from Hotland as it was possible to get without entering the Ruins.

He and Alph stayed friends, though. When you’re the only two people who know about a catastrophic disaster like that, it kinda brings you together.

Sans finished his explanation with a nod to Alphys, before saying,

“and as for gaster, the only connection i’ve got to the guy is that i named an attack after him in honor of his scientific prowess,”

The room was silent for a few moments as everyone thought through his words. Suddenly, Flowey said,

“Yeah, that’s all well and good, but how did you even know about him? Everyone else forgot he ever existed!” Sans smiled secretively.

“probably the same way you do, asriel,” Let no one say he couldn’t give as good as he got. If Sans had to share his backstory, well.

Might as well take the flower down with him.

#undertale #undertale fanfiction #undertale fanfic #sans #flowey #alphys #i wrote a bs sans backstory am i a Real Fan now #yeah my blog name was very definitely inspired by undertalethingems #and you should go read their comic because it's amazing #this story was brought to you by a strong urge to write something and no inspiration at all #despite that it didn't end up completely terrible so i'm kinda proud of myself in all honesty #time to go do that thing i'm procrastinating with all these tags i guess #i don't really like the title of this but i couldn't think of anything so like #might as well #the third worst day

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singing-robot · 5 years

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re: Dead Cells/Undertale

And why it would be the worst crossover ever.

First off, I have not finished Dead Cells, and I’m trying to play it as blindly as possible, so please do not add anything further than what I mention right here in this post!!! This includes tips, runes, locations, and unseen dialogue. I’ve recently acquired my first stem cell, and have only gotten to the Concierge once in the many games I’ve started in hard mode, sodo please be mindful of that. And now, the promised content.

This started off as a fun mashup between the two games, but the realistic side of my brain kicked in and said, “How would this actually go?” And, quite honestly, that one seemed more interesting, both in terms of how this hypothetical game would be played (I wish I could show you guys instead of just talking about it), and in the potential angst that would be held.

The first thing I feel we need to address is how the game starts. Dead Cellsman (as I so often see him called) has a beheaded prisoner to crawl into each time you start over. Who is supplying these? I have no idea. However, I’m going to say that these bodies are either thrown down there by the same being each time you start, or Mr. Prisoner Sir finds his ride off-screen, and we only see him fall down.

“But Robot!” you cry. “That’s so unnecessary and specific!!! Why would you bring that up?” Good question!! Because the alternative is diggging his way underground and taking over the dead body of the first fallen human. Only works once, and that’s so horrifying and disgusting that I immediately hated it as soon as I considered it, and wished I never had. The concept of eventually unlocking the other previous humans would be pretty cool if they weren’t, you know, way past their expiration date.

Disgusting and terrible, but I needed to address it. Next section: actual fighting.

Mr. Cellsman does not have the time for extensive dialogue and conversations. He’s thrown into prison, given a couple of weapons, and his tutorial covers a total of maybe 20 seconds between three deaths. Everything after that is a line of destruction and occasional smart remarks about something poorly lit by a blue candle. A speedrunning, monster-hacking, hilt-happy creature does not bode well for the residents of the Underground.

He does not have much sympathy for the dead, and he criticizes those in charge of the living. I don’t blame him, honestly, but it makes me wonder how he would react to something that begged when he’s already supposed to kill it. Or if he would even give them time to do so. For the purposes of this post, he doesn’t. He sees it, he hacks it, he gains whatever coin they had on their person. All things considered, I’d say he would start off with a fairly high Level of Violence, so it would be much easier to go through the game.

The boss fights would be very interesting. Toriel wouldn’t have any sort of connection as to a child, and would not hold back during her fight. I almost want to see it. The dogs would be the equivalent of Elites, probably. Papyrus would be absolute hell to fight, with his constant ground attacks; not to mention that you’re supposed to hit him in the middle of all of it. He’ll make it a fair fight, of course, but according to even Dead Cells logic, he will be on par with you. I think Undyne would be very similar to the Time Keeper, except you couldn’t simply break out of her hold.

I did this in my sketchbook and I’m so glad I can make it again with real context.

To be fair, I’ve only gotten as far as Undyne, so I won’t go much farther on that topic, except on the specifics of the next section dealing with Sans, since I won’t ever play that run, anyway. (So, basically, I lied.)

Encountering Sans at the end would be... very frustrating, to say the least. Either his fight would be very similar to the Hand of the King, or he would simply disappear every time you tried to hit him, until you figure out that there’s actually a secret passage to bypass him entirely and you’ve wasted so much time, there goes your speedrunning record. The difference here might actually count on either the time it took you to get to the end, or how thoroughly you took out the monster population. (He would probably deal more damage than Frisk ever could; getting held up so often allowed for more people to escape.)

Wow. So. Here we are. Are you still reading this? Have you done this all in one big chunk? Please take a moment to look away from your screen, stretch, and do five real good blinks. Take in a deep breath and hold it. Hold it. A little longer. And out. Yeah, man. Breathe some of the outside stuff, too, for bonus refreshment. Maybe get some water while we’re here. This post is a little long, might as well add in a break time paragraph. I’m certainly using it as a time to stop writing, before I get into the next segment and lose 30 more minutes. Also??? Thanks for sticking through this far, it really means a lot. Especially since I haven’t edited a single bit of this so far, and probably won’t from this point on.

All right!!! Have you stretched? Have you had some water? Did you take a big whiff of your surroundings so as to not get too lost in the sauce of this crazy post? I hope so, pal, because here comes the fun part: The Aftermath.

When you fight Sans, he makes his accusation: you’re the anomaly in his research, and you need to be stopped. But here’s the thing: he doesn’t say that on nothing. He says that in almost full confidence, and suspected it in other runs. What gives you away? Not entirely sure, but I bet defeating the Captain of the Royal Guard without dying, or openly having zero interest in things that should be interesting, hints at it. And unless something is lit by a blue candle or offers the promise of cells and upgraded weapons, Dead Cellsman has very little interest in anything at all.

So you could imagine that someone speedrunning through the Underground, killing everyone in his path while hardly stopping to glance at the scenery, would be waving a big red “time anomaly” flag. And if Sans managed to evade him until the end, and even had the time to overcome any shock and actually do something, that would be one horrible, inescapable fight.

Here’s where my idea splits in two:

1. Sans dies. You receive a special item to take out Asgore in one hit, you win, you finish the game. There is... little point in restarting it, because I’m logical and boring and the remaining monsters of the Underground wouldn’t come out of hiding for... a very long time. Longer than it’d be worth Mr. Cellsman to consider coming back for.

So when Frisk falls, there is nothing and nobody. The place is a little dusty, a little bloody, there’s a few spare coins on the ground, but everything is utterly abandoned. The towns, the stores, the homes you can’t explore, anyway; they’re empty. It’d make for a boring game, honestly. There’s Flowey, but he’s so distracted by recent events that he doesn’t even show up when you first fall. There’s not point in “kill or be killed” when there’s no one around to fight you. He’ll talk to you, sure, but because you’re another entertaining attraction. Your SOUL would be great, but what’s the point if the others are almost completely inaccessible, now?

Perhaps he’ll tell you the tale of the genocidal killing spree he witnessed for fun.

2. (This ending applies to ones with and without a Sans fight, with or without total monster destruction.) Not to add another angst story featuring the Sans man, bUT... Sans does not die. You get past him, you take out Asgore, you win the game, whatever. You get to move on.

And Sans was wrong. Nothing resets. He thought he was right, he was so positive, but here he is. And there are so many people who are dead. It must be hard to deal with, when he hardly has anyone to blame it on. He can’t even curse the murderer to his face. So imagine what it must be like to watch another monster kill so many of its own kind, only to have a human fall after that. The creature that banished them all underground is now here to either finish them off or send them to the Surface, but I doubt anyone thinks it’s the latter. The angel has returned to free them all.

I accidentally made a super metal and symbolic image to go with this, I will post it separately because, holy cow, did not expect it to turn out like this.

Frisk has to face the most scared, enraged, and depressed monsters they could ever have encountered. Some of them will attack as viciously as they can. Others will beg for mercy, or run as quickly as possible. More will just wait, confused and perhaps upset if they are spared. There will be some who are simply NPCs, as per usual, but they will be very different. There will be fewer. Frisk’s mission to save monsters and encourage their character development will be vastly different and very difficult.

I... made the mistake of waiting over 24 hours to type out the second half of this and lost some of the steam I started with, but I’m also bad at simply describing how bleak and depressing it would be without getting too much into it. So!!! To conclude, a semi-realistic Dead Cells/Undertale crossover would be extremely sad and depressing, since it’s basically coming in on the aftermath of almost-genocide. I will definitely accept further questions and, possibly, requests regarding this post, especially since you actually read through the entire thing and endured through everything in this post even after my enthusiasm died down in my writing. Sorry to disappoint after hyping up The Aftermath, but I was writing that at midnight and probably lost some of my good points. Definitely had a better version in my head.

I also super ignored almost everything involving Flowey for Mr. Prisoner Sir because uhhh I didn’t want to write around that too much, so please don’t call me out on it because I definitely am aware of it and only have weak justifications for doing so. And, since we’re both here,

UnderCells - a little catchy, I like it, but it sounds like the main story itself would be focusing on Dead Cellsman going through the Underground. While it would, to an extent, ignoring Frisk’s presence would simply make it a new level and brief one shot thing for the man. I really like the sound of it, though.

DeadTale - far more appropriate for Frisk’s leg of the journey (as well as all of monsterkind), kinda funny in a sick sort of way, definitely used somewhere else.

It doesn’t matter if you use either of these terms, I thought I’d address it since it’s already a super long post :’D

You made it to the end!!! Congratulations!!!

#this is a BUTTS long post and I’m posting at a bad time again #so I expect very little attention from it #esp since dead cells doesn’t seem to be a crazy popular game #but I wrote and golly I’m going to share it with you #as per usual: my weird thing about providing a ridiculous amount of context is based on point deductions in brit lit #so Shannon if you’re reading this - you’re a nerd and you ruined my fun time essays to also be taken seriously #gosh how do I even tag this #undercells #that tag doesn’t seem taken? but call it whatever #I just want to refer to it in the future #which I hope I won’t have to but... yeah #imma stop rambling in the tags now #this is just afterthought mess from writing so much and I think I should continue lol #nervous before posting I guess #singing robopinions

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claire-starsword · 5 years

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More thoughts on Undertale/Deltarune’s dark world

So, Deltarune has this whole thing where mundane equipment become real weapons once you enter the dark world. Also, the game in general has odd similarities with the end of the murder run: the “Erase/Do Not” prompt when deleting saves, use of kanji in the japanese text, and the themes of “your choices don’t matter”/”since when where you in control”, for example.

I just remembered there’s another similarity too. Only in that run do the final equipment, that have no real reason to be different because they’ve supposedly been in Chara’s room all the time, change from Worn Dagger to Real Knife and from Heart Locket to The Locket, that “you can feel it beating”.

I always thought that to be just a difference of perspective (like you being so violent in that run that any dagger becomes a strong, exciting weapon), but now I wonder if there’s something else to it, especially the locket because the description implies it is looking/becoming more like an actual heart. Is this warping of the item similar to what the dark world does? That implies that a reality can slip into darkness to the point of becoming a dark world. I feel “darkness” in these games is used in the sense of ”things falling into obscurity or disuse”, and also “things that were abandoned”. Given how monsters in UT were trapped for so long, and losing hope of escaping, you can say they were falling into darkness in that sense. Also, the world can stay erased forever if you wish, but if you come back, refusing to abandon it, you can bring it back (even if in a terrible way).

That view of darkness also matches Gaster’s story, since he hasn’t really been erased from the world (not from the past at least, otherwise the CORE wouldn’t exist), but just replaced and forgotten, or at least simply not mentioned by most. It could also match Chara, who has once the hope of the underground but was then clearly forgotten by almost everyone given how most monsters can’t even recognize a human. The tale of Chara and Asriel also doesn’t seem to be known by many. Given how Chara calls themself a demon, there’s a demon lurking in UT’s code who is someone’s servant, and there’s someone with Gaster in Deltarune’s intro, I think Chara’s essence got stuck in the dark world after their death, and that explains their influence in UT. The more the world falls into darkness, the more influence they have, until at some point they can give the last push and erase everything.

I do constantly wonder if the demon thing is serious though, since this is the sibling of Asriel “God of Hyperdeath” Dreemurr, so it could be just drama covering up their actual situation. They do have the power to erase worlds, bring them back, and also deal with souls though. Also, for whatever reason Chara is the one who levels up and such right from the beginning, and the one who possesses the save files, a pretty relevant thing to remember with all the discussion going around Kris’ files. I feel like we (the creators) in Deltarune have the same relationship with Kris as Chara had with Frisk. We never saw Frisk’s save being overwritten though.

This post feels really close to saying “what if Frisk was a vessel all along” and yet it won’t. We know the red soul in UT is Frisk’s, because otherwise Chara wouldn’t ask for it after the murder run. So for the stats to still be Chara’s, it implies that the mechanics of LOVE are connected to demons and the dark world. Interestingly enough, in Deltarune the save files keep track of both level and love, very unlike UT. I feel that this will have something with how Kris had a save file before the game. Like, Kris will have level while the creator gets love, Kris will save in the surface while the creator does it in the dark world, something like that.

I don’t know what this implies about the vessel creation, though. Chara seemed against it. Did Gaster gave them a chance to make one too? Did it go wrong? Did Chara have some reason to latch into Frisk or was it unintentional? Was Chara the one who stuck us with Kris, or was that too unavoidable and they just provided some dramatic narration?

I also have some scattered thoughts on how Asriel’s essence could have wandered the dark world for a while before becoming Flowey and how it’s unclear if Chara’s soul is gone or if it could be in the dark world too, but I don’t know where these thoughts would go. Actually this entire post went out of control a long ago lmao I wanted to say a paragraph or two about the weapons only.

tl;dr for the parts that make sense: I think Chara has been in the dark world for a while and how much they can influence the world depends on the world falling in darkness/obscurity (which is somewhat like becoming a dark world and changes items/objects somewhat), the creator in Deltarune is similar to Chara, the dark world is closely related to LOVE mechanics, and Kris and the creator might eventually get different save files/levels.

#deltarune #undertale #chara #gaster #kris #deltarune spoilers #dark world #dark world entrances theory #actually this kinda contradicts the theory since it implies the light world doesn't have entrances to the dark world #and instead becomes a dark world #but hey i'm sure i'll find a way to make these fit together #the initial theory was incredibly bare bones #anyway sorry if this doesn't make sense it sounded smart when i started typing and then got confusing

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bluedino15 · 6 years

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Semi-Rant

Welp, This is kinda awkward. See, I love most of the new episode of Glitchtale. A lot. There were some things that made me giddy like a little child, and also a few moments that had me laugh a bit (for good reason, not bad). However, there was one problem about it that really, REALLY bugged me (in case the title is not obvious enough). Not enough to ruin the episode, I would rank it as a B or B+ overall, and I absolutely cannott deny how much work and love went into it. But I am more naturally inclined to let off steam about anything I dislike, and writing a post like this helps me calm down, even though I realize it changes nothing and at the end of the day Cami is her own writer who has no obligation to care about this. Below, read at your own peril a rant about the one thing that has been bothering me for a good 6 hours or so: a Goatmom. Or, just go along; probably a better use of your time. As for all you mobile readers; you might wanna start scrolling fast

See, I’m a big Toriel fan. She’s probably my favorite character in Undertale. Now i don’t dislike Asgore, or see him as a horrible monster being; I think he and Toriel are both flawed in their actions, and while I slightly side with Toriel, I don’t think Asgore is without justification in his own actions. i just don’t personally like him as much. Meanwhile, from everything I’ve seen her post, Cami does NOT like Toriel that much, or at least, she thinks what Toriel did to Asgore is terrible. Asgore is also one of her favorite characters I believe. So bias obviously factors into all of this. Now, what things are notable about How toriel is presented in previous episodes? She’s generally been a semi-background character (I’d say the same level of relevance as Papyrus was until Love Part 2, and she got more of it here so that’s not horrible)

She hasn’t really gotten any major action sequence, like when the school got attacked and she fought mostly offscreen (but to be fair, tall figures and fireballs are both hard to animate, and that battle wasn’t the focus of the episode, plus she has had a moment or two and she also has gotten to serve as a healer)

When it looks like there’s a bigger Akumu drone, Asgore has to step in and slightly humiliate her with the fire thing (though it’s not wrong of Asgore to help given he does seem like more of a fighter, it was more of a joke, and Toriel was probably just briefly surprised and could have managed)

Arguing with Asgore (but this is a tense situation, and it’s somewhat natural they would come to verbal blows normally given their history)

Asgore gets way more time with Asriel then her (but the game does seem to imply he was always somewhat closer, so it’s not that bad)

Trying to stop Frisk, and getting a cut hand and hurt feelings from it (to be fair, Frisk was trying to be an emotional jerk and it does have more impact than if Frisk had done that to Asgore)

So, not the most flattering depictions, but not terrible in any way, and understandble that it’s impossible to keep writer bias fully in check.

Episode 5 however, kicks writer bias into overdrive

To start, there’s relatively harmless stuff, like Toriel still being more of a healer than fighter, then there’s Frisk basically yelling at her that trying to stay and help Asriel is super stupid which, while a little mean, obviously isn’t wrong and Frisk would be pretty tense naturally, though the fact that it comes after the big problem and it feels more like Frisk basically yelling at her for failing kind of acts like the metaphorical cherry on top of the sundaes bellow.

First, there’s the argument with Asgore. And how do we “know” Toriel is wrong of the bat? Why, she uses the title of queen when she clearly hasn’t done anything for the throne! Except, you know, she really doesn’t show the highest attachment to the position, including telling Frisk she would rather not go by her wedded name, the one seemingly attaching her to the throne. And there’s also the fact that she IS a teacher at this school and this basically does put kids in crossfire, which, even for war, is something you generally want to avoid if possible. But, instead of debating the part that, you know, actually matters more, Asgore instead points out how she abandoned the kingdom. Now, in of itself, I don’t think the idea is terrible, because it’s true Toriel could have tried to convince Asgore otherwise or try and convince monsterkind to live in peace, even if they can’t break the barrier. I think it’s a little odd for Asgore to push this idea now, but hey, he’s probably stressed and tired of constant arguing and this has probably been bugging him, so fine. Therefore, Toriel is. . . not allowed to have input at all on her own school being used as a battleground because of the past. Okay, sure, whatever. Oh, but Toriel needs to look like a bitch who can’t get the message, so we’ll have her throw a low blow about human kids and Asgore, just to make sure she’s being a bitch about it. All so Asgore can tell her he had the “guts” to not kill one child, go outside, get more souls and quickly free everyone, nor try to push his kingdom on the path to pacfism if he preferred it and thought escape was pointless, but instead he . . . just waited for children to fall so that anyone entering the underground had to fight or die regardless of innocence, making his people wait generations longer than they need to, all because he was too cowardly to either do what they wanted, or stand against them because killing children might slightly piss off the surface (and oh look at that, it did in “My Sunshine”). And Toriel just has the saddest face, to prove how she realizes she’s so utterly selfish. Obnoxious sarcasm aside, I won’t seriously deny Toriel has problems; it’s clear part of her general protectiveness is because she’s still can’t get over her own past with children, and she puts her need to care for children in front of their own ideas, and of what everyone wanted. But Asgore is also pointed out to not exactly be acting in a way best for anyone but himself either, as he set up the situation in such a way he can’t feel that guilty for killing any human who comes down and satisfy the underground, but he also can see it so that he still doesn’t have to fight and go against his own nature to “do what’s right,” instead he’s “forced.” Both of them are kind of fucked up, and if you think Toriel fucked up more, fine, but don’t act like Asgore was doing what was best and being a selfless saint. Oh, and also Toriel doesn’t seem like the type to give a rats ass about her role to the kingdom given how she’s so distant from ruins monsters and never tired to go out and stop the others, as if she saw them beyond redemption? It is a terrible trait, but it also means she wouldn’t care that much if Asgore told her she abandoned a kingdom she thought lost. But we need to make sure she felt bad.

Then there’s the Asriel scene. It has some of that base “she abandoned her kingdom” argument which, fine, I think you can say that. And hey, perhaps you could have dived into the fact that she did essentially replace him and his sibling, something Flowey showed a level of resentment for. Alternatively, that she specifically abandoned Asgore when she could have tried to turn him, and that would especially hurt from her child who was a little closer to Asgore, and could see them being seperated as part of why he couldn’t feel joy, especially with hate clouding his judgement to make him forget Flowey couldn’t feel emotions anyway. Nope, Asriel still bothers to talk about the same kingdom that would likely spit on her ideas for the first set of years after she left Asgore, because THAT’S what we need to see her as awful for.

But, hate accentuates bad feelings far beyond their normal degree, and besides, surely Asgore probably pissed Flowey/Asriel in some way that bites him in the ass here, even if less so, right? Wait, what’s that? he really doesn’t besides the implied annoyance that he killed humans when Asriel went out of his way not to? And also that he needs to be the one getting beaten up so both we and Toriel feel bad for him? Meanwhile Toriel gets to look useless because her terribleness pisses Asriel off? O--Ok.

And then there’s the worse part. How Asriel relates being angry about being killed and when he saw what his parents did. It almost makes you think maybe it’s about Asgore this time. but look closely. He’s saying “you” right after Toriel asks him to stop, so he’s referring to what she did. When he’s saying “you had murdered 6 of them in cold blood” He’s calling Toriel the murderer. What was “old man Asgore” doing? Just throwing a fit. Because Toriel was the one putting kids on a trident. Toriel was the one who instructed the royal guard to capture/kill all humans. Oh wait, that was Asgore. Well, at least Toriel had aggressively agreed to Asgore’s angry declaration. Toriel had put the pressure on Asgore by wishing for a desire to be free as it was worth human blood. Oh wait, that was the kingdom. Look, it’s true Toriel doesn’t do enough for the children necessarily. She could have tried to persuade her people, or at least asgore, to change. She could have accompanied the humans right up to Asgore and made sure they were safe. Maybe it could even be argued she could have kept them locked in the ruins, restricted but alive. Heck, maybe even give her soul up to at least one human so they can cross without having to kill. So yes, she could have done way more. But she’s the true murderer? she’s the one who set up a culture willing for humans to die, or the one that sloppily fulfilled the kingdom’s request because it was what felt best for her? If it was just Asriel being corrupted by hate, and we at least saw some contempt for asgore as well, beyond saying he had a “fit” I might not be quite so incredulous. But Cami has at least hinted at this opinion before. This is meant to be a serious, “see Toriel actually sucks” moment. Any good qualities she has besides healing magic and a naive hope Asriel would like her are non-existent, her failings have made her a cold-blooded killer. And tons of people will either parrot this and start painting toriel like the devil, or anyone who says “why are you so anti-Toriel” will be called a retard and all that other stuff for liking someone as “awful” as Toriel (though, that does not mean I would condone being all “OMG Toriel is the best character, how could you be such a fucking bitch KYS", those people are straight idiots. I just fear non-idiots are going to get lumped in that). I guess this is what 2015 Asgore fans apparently felt like?

Whew, got that snarky, angry sarcasm out of my system. Again, and I want to emphasize this point for anyone who thinks the center of this is how I view the whole episode, that’s not the case, although if you honestly can’t believe that, I would not blame you considering six-eight paragraphs of complaining followed by “but it’s not that bad honestly” must look hilariously BS. It’s way easier to go off writing on everything you don’t like about something than everything you do like, and I just don’t see how I can add much to any thoughts by making six paragrapghs about how the basic things I like are “so awesome”. This was otherwise a great episode. I loved the music, I love Papyrus and his interactions with Gaster, i love Frisk bringing back Chara and some of the comedy in it, I love the random game face Frisk pulls, I love the heart to heart with Undyne and Jessica, the Bete noire looks super awesome in it’s true form, and the moment when it powers up is beautifully animated, especially for a fan cartoon, as well as just it’s general threatening when it confronts Frisk again. And in of itself, I thought the idea of Asriel with hate and fear was cool, and his look, attacks, and that moment where Frisk saves Asgore from him at last second with a tackle was awesome. but everything about Toriel in this episode pisses me off so much, and I feel like i need to let off steam somewhere. It really doesn’t ruin the episode itself, but i feel like, ironically given it’s the big battle sequence and those are usually the parts everyone talks about and makes fanart of, the Dremurrs plot was not handled well here. And again, i realize it’s both my own bias, and the fact that it is really hard to keep a bias in check while writing, so it’s somewhat an unfortunate inevitability, and writing out my complaints helps me cope I guess. If you still enjoy that part as well, don’t let me take away your enjoyment, even if I find it strange.

( P.S. if you’re a mobile reading going bottom to top, you might wanna start scrolling up fast)

#glitchtale

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ruetheend · 7 years

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BITTERBLOSSOMS - CHAPTER 4: RUINS, ECHOS OF THE PAST.

The story so far: The battle with Tori had begun, and it had more bells and whistles than anything Toriel ever threw at Frisk before. With a little outside help, Frisk was able to overcome Tori’s magic, but at what cost? Frisk has reset, and now she must figure out how she will get past Tori without spreading dust.

Click to read the chapter below.

Chapter 4

Author’s Note: Best read on AO3. For original readers of this fic who are wondering where all the chapters have gone, check out my update.

"So uh... what are we doing here?" Came Flowey's question as Frisk set him down on the ground in the center of the falling puzzle within the ruins. The pair had backtracked back toward the western end of the cavern, though Flowey wasn't sure why. Despite his concerns, the monsters seemed to give up attacking Frisk for the time being. Instead, they watched from afar as the Wanderers ventured back into the other end of the ruins.

"If I face Tori again... I'll need all the help I can get," Frisk looked around the room. This was the puzzle in which the traveler needed to fall down the correct hole and flip a switch. She could see the hole she had jumped into to pass this puzzle the first time. Its placement was etched into her mind from so many runs. She walked over to a 'hidden' hole at random and fell in.

Truthfully, Frisk wasn't sure if she could look at Tori. The fight had been so different, and it had reminded her that she couldn't treat monster lives like playthings.

"Who is going to help you? You have me!" Flowey shouted from above.

"Not a 'who', but a 'what'. I'm trying to remember where it was," the corner of Frisk's lips turned up in thought. The human landed on the ground below, gently on a bed of flowers. Beside her, she saw the familiar forehead of a Vegetoid. "Not it," she sighed.

"What are you looking for exactly?" Flowey's voice sounded snide and impatient, a lot closer to how she remembered him sounding. Oddly enough, it comforted her.

"I think it belonged to a human," Frisk picked another spot and jumped onto it, falling through easily. Flowey leaned in closer to the hole she created in case she would continue her thought, but instead, was met with silence.

"You are so descriptive, Frisk!" Flowey spoke in a sarcastically chipper voice. "Surely, I will help you find this long lost human item."

"Sorry," Frisk giggled somewhat. She stood and looked over. This hole was empty. "It's a red ribbon, though I think the color is probably a bit faded? I guess I have a theory that some of the stuff down here belonged to the humans who came before me."

"AH HA!" Flowey pointed a stem at Frisk. "There it is!"

Frisk frowned at Flowey's smug face. If he was turning evil again, at least he was close enough for her to punch. "What?"

"You've already done all this! Just like your fight with Tori, the way you seem slightly bored sometimes even though you are literally in a cavern filled with monsters... it's not normal! You've already done a run, huh?" Flowey's self-satisfied face beamed with delight at his words. He was acting like a child who just caught their parents in a bold faced lie. Frisk couldn't help but blush somewhat in embarrassment. She had been trying to keep her status as a seasoned time traveler under wraps.

The human was intrigued by the idea of being able to talk about resets with another person. Especially with someone who would understand what it was like to wield the reset power personally.

"Yeah... you got me," Frisk rolled her eyes, but smiled. "You don't have to be so smug about it though."

"I kinda do, I think," Flowey bounced in place, "You didn't really come clean about this upfront, so I had to use my sneaky wiles. I know all about these human items. Sorta. You are looking for the hole beside this one."

"Fine, fine, so... I have walked through here before." Frisk made her way through the vent which led her back up to the upper level.

"Well, I guess my real question is... how come I don't remember you from, uh, your first fall here?" Flowey rubbed the bottom of his face with his leaf. His head didn't have a chin unless he was showing his real face. "I mean, I've remembered the past, what... two resets? Also what is with the flowers growing when you die and reset?"

Frisk considered his questions, and he sure asked a lot of them. She walked over to Flowey and picked him up. He pointed to the part of the ground he referred to previously. In response, Frisk turned her back as she made her way to it. She stood before the crumbling earth. "In reverse order, um, the growing flowers when I die thing... you know about as much about it as I do. Next, in this run, I've had two deaths, so two resets." Frisk intentionally left out telling Flowey she was unable to actually reset without dying.

"Frisk, you still didn't answer my big question," Flowey smiled. He was a little shit, but Frisk found it more endearing than his previous incarnation. "How come I don't remember you from before recently? Up until now I... well, I was in control, but now... I can't save or reset."

"Honestly? I don't really understand that myself," Frisk admitted. The previous Flowey had always rambled on about controlling the timeline. Frisk wondered why they didn't share control. Could it be because she had a human SOUL? Probably. Frisk thought for a moment. Did she really need to hide that much information from this Flowey? He was not cruel like the one she knew so well. She took a deep breath and explained, "Well, about not remembering me... I am not sure what happened, but, there is like a big reset. I don't know if you know about it, but it's a reset that takes you all the way to the beginning of a run. It only appears..." Frisk wasn't sure what to tell him. Would he even understand? "Whenever I would reach a final point... I couldn't save or reset... until the button showed up for me. It would take me all the way back to the start... to the beginning of the ruins. But... this time around is different. Everyone is different."

Flowey considered her words. "That 'big reset' thing sounds a little familiar. I can't explain it, but I think I know what you mean. Sometimes I would end up back at the lab... I don't really understand what you mean about this time being different though."

"...In a lab?" Flowey would hear a question, but Frisk wasn't asking anything. The mention of the lab reminded her of one of her biggest blunders. She knew he was created in a lab. The true lab was pivotal in achieving the route to the surface. When she reset back to the beginning as an adult after the incident, Frisk had completely forgotten about going back for a letter that would ultimately unlock access to the true lab. Guilt started to weigh on her heart as she recalled the feeling of being in the abyss after a pacifist run that did not yield the sun for the monsters.

"Yeah, I'm basically a freak," Flowey spoke up with faux pride. Frisk could hear a tinge of shame. "There is only one like me in this world."

"You aren't a freak," Frisk held the flower pot a little tighter. She stepped on the weak spot on the ground and fell through, landing on another flower bed. "You went through some horrible things..."

"How do you mean?" Flowey pulled his head away from her.

"I'm going to be super honest with you here," Frisk looked down at him, "Asriel Dreemurr." It had been so long since she said his name out loud. She always thought it was a pretty cool name. Very heavy metal.

"A-A-Asriel Dreemurr???" Unaware of it, Flowey's face slowly morphed and looked more like his real face. He seemed to start sweating. "Wh-who's that?"

"You. You are Asriel Dreemurr," Frisk smiled. It felt right to show off her knowledge of things no one should know about on their first trip. "You are Asriel Dreemurr, son of Toriel and Asgore Dreemurr. Brother of Chara Dreemurr. Crowned prince of the underground, er before this time around. You died, uh, a long, long time ago probably, but came back to life technically recently?" Frisk started to casually rattle off the bits and pieces she understood about Flowey's past. "You had the power to reset and save, and at some point you abused it. You couldn't feel love or anything, and then you went around killing people. Then I showed up, and you couldn't do that anymore. Um, some of this might not apply to you though."

Flowey's face was blank. His expression did not betray his feelings. He seemed to be carefully choosing his next words. Frisk was patient. She looked over to the ground beside them as she waited. There it was, the red ribbon. She stood and picked up the fabric, holding Flowey in her left arm.

"Well, you are eerily close to the truth," Flowey gave her a cautious smile. "I am Asriel Dreemurr, Tori and Gori are my parents. This explains the questions you were asking at dinner about what my parents did and whatever... Heck, I almost did go... go bad... but, Frisk," Flowey frowned. "Chara is not my brother. He... that topic is off limits, okay? And don't call me Asriel, okay?"

Frisk nodded in response.

"Besides... It sounds like..." Flowey took a deep breath. "You are from some other dimension or something. I mean, my dad as a king? That's funny." Flowey rolled his eyes.

"Well, he really was. He even, well, he tried to kill me before."

"Wow, so that was the second time my dad's ever tried to kill you?"

"Well, more than twice... a lot of times, actually." Frisk pocketed the ribbon with a sigh. "King Asgore was really freaking hard to deal with, but... He always made the best tea."

Flowey's brow arched. "My dad would fight you, then make you tea?"

"Oh, I mean, after the whole underground thing. He'd always make me some tea when I came to visit his home."

"Oh, okay," Flowey nodded understandably but stopped short. "Wait. What do you mean 'after the whole underground thing'?"

With the ribbon in her pocket, Frisk set off toward Home. She took a short detour to the room where the spider bake sale was, explaining to Flowey how she had rescued everyone in the underground from none other than Asriel Dreemurr. Flowey listened in awe and silence. His bewildered expression held no contempt, just confusion. "Wow. Just wow... So even with the perfect, happy ending, you just... reset everything anyway?"

"Not exactly..." Frisk stopped in her tracks in the room where she had fought the Asgore of this timeline. "It wasn't like I saved everybody and was like, 'Ok, let me go back and do this all over again.' I was like... a kid when we left. Well, a teenager. Anyway, that's not important." She looked down at Flowey who met her gaze. "Something bad happened, really bad, and... I had to."

"Like what? Did somebody bite the dust?" Flowey mused. He coughed when he noticed Frisk's expression darkening. "Woah, I didn't know. I'm sorry. That wasn't funny."

"Somebody died, because of me," Frisk stated plainly. She felt awful, but she didn't want Flowey to feel sorry for her. "So I had to go back... but the button wasn't there. I felt like I was losing it, like, I had no control over my life. It made Toriel really worry about me. It made everyone worry about me... but then, I saw it."

"The big reset, huh?"

"Yeah, it had been years since I was last able to reach out and control time. I didn't even hesitate to do it, either. I just took a deep breath and pushed the button."

Flowey nodded along, "So that is how you ended up here, huh? You touched the big button to save a friend, and you ended up here."

"Hmm... yeah," Frisk lied. She couldn't bear to tell him about what really transpired. "Now I'm here, and I don't know if I will ever-" Suddenly she felt her heart throbbing in her throat. Its beat made her tear ducts start and the words stop.

"U-Uh, what's wrong? A-are... Are you worried you won't find your friend here?" Flowey asked. All Frisk could do was shake her head. She crumbled to the ground, grasping Flowey's flower pot. She had been keeping her secret fear locked up since she realized she had fallen into another timeline, another universe entirely. It made her feel immobilized and trapped in a cycle doomed to repeat. Flowey didn't understand what had come over his new friend, but his expression softened into Asriel's face. Limited as it was, he hugged her on the crown of her head, patting her hair with his leaves. "It's okay, Frisk. I'm here for you. I'm sure we will find your friend... I'm just sure-" His petal stroked against one of the flowers that grew from Frisk's head. He reeled back from her. "WHAT THE HECK WAS THAT?"

"W-what?" Frisk was so startled by his shout and accusation she dropped his flower pot and nearly fell backward.

"Y-You... I could like... see through your eyes this moment... where you hugged me." Frisk blinked at him. "Like, the other me. I... I touched a flower on your head and it showed me you hugging Asriel. He just got done apologizing for, I don't know, something, and then you hugged him. It was kind of sad. W-Wait, I bet..."

Frisk wanted to know if Flowey saw more, but didn't want to tip her hand. She didn't want to talk about the times she had murdered all her friends. "You bet what?"

"Frisk... Tori totally touched your head last time. I wonder if maybe... Your flowers 'echo,'" he used his leaf arms for emphasis, "your past memories. I mean, you did hug Asriel, right?"

"I did. I guess... I guess that makes sense?" Frisk was incredibly confused. She touched her own flowers, but nothing happened. "I'm not getting anything."

"Maybe it's only other people? Um, would you mind if I touched your flowers again?" The center of Flowey's face turned purple, "I-I, I just want to confirm the memory thing." Frisk looked at the ground and wondered, then nodded. Flowey reached up and touched a petal. He reeled back again. "OH. That explains your confused expression from earlier..."

"What did you see?" Frisk asked.

"It was like the time I tried to teach you how to fight, except... I was yellow... and like... super mean. I even did this creepy face!" Flowey's face morphed to look as creepy as Frisk recalled.

"Okay... touch my flowers again," Frisk nodded. "I have my own suspicion." Flowey obliged and only touched Frisk for a nano second before screaming bloody murder. The monsters that had been watching on the sidelines, but unable to overhear the conversation all skedaddled. "You saw it, didn't you?"

"I SAW... I don't even know what I saw to be honest! It was like a giant, thorny, TV guy!?" Flowey gestured with his leaves. "It was too scary, so I didn't get a good look."

"That was totally you, Flowey," Frisk laughed. "Well, I guess the other version of you. My version of you?"

"You can't be serious." Flowey rolled his eyes. "Me? A giant TV? That's just really weird and creepy."

"To be fair," Frisk picked up Flowey's flower pot and stood up slowly. "Other Flowey was way creepy. And weird."

"I haven't met him, but I'll take your word on it," Flowey shrugged. "Anyway, how did you know what I would see?"

"I was thinking about it... It makes sense... Tori touched my flower when I was- when I was thinking about something very sad. I guess it made her panic."

"Oh! Well... at least we know to avoid that this time around!" Flowey offered cheerfully.

"Yeah, that's for sure..."

Frisk stepped into the spider bake sale room. Or rather, where it should have been. Instead, there was a crate labeled 'SUPPLIES.' Inside there was baby food, diapers, and... king sized candy bars! Frisk took one and stuffed it into her pocket. Flowey seemed to cluck at her, but he also took a candy bar and hid it somewhere inside his flower pot. In the corner furthermost from the door but near the crate, Frisk spotted a camera. It looked a lot like Alphys' cameras, but she usually hid hers pretty well. She looked up at it with a frown. A red light blinked on and off near the middle of it. That meant someone was watching, probably.

"What is this room about? Why is there baby food and a camera in here?" Frisk continued to look into the camera lens, wondering what mad scientist this world had in store for her.

"That is kind of top secret, sorry," Flowey offered a smile instead of answers. "I can't tell you, but this is a supply drop of stuff we can't really get here by ourselves. Of course, I don't know why he brought baby food so early, this is just going to go bad." He made a disgusted face as he thought of the rotting baby food. "That camera is new, but I am just going to assume they installed it... probably?"

"Wait, wait... someone from outside the ruins comes here and drops this off?"

"Well, okay... they don't use any doors or anything to do it. They just kinda... are able to get around some things. Kinda like me."

Frisk had a sneaky suspicion she knew who this was, but she wasn't quite sure. Flowey didn't volunteer any more information and already called the origins of the crate top secret, so she just dropped it.

Finally on her trip of detours to the Tori confrontation, Frisk headed into the room that usually held the toy knife. Inside, the view was largely the same, mostly empty homes and streets. Frisk picked up the toy knife from the ground. She studied its blade with her finger tip. Not sharp at all, just a plastic toy. Still, a point was a point, and this toy knife could do serious damage. In fact, it had in her timeline.

"You aren't thinking of using that are you?" Flowey asked from his flower pot.

"No, not really... I guess I just wanted to have it anyway... once I leave, they probably won't let me back in."

"Probably," Flowey half-heartedly confirmed. "They won't let me back in either."

"Yeah, but you can come and go from here whenever you want," Frisk rolled her eyes.

Flowey shrugged, "I won't abandon you on this journey... I mean, granted you don't go around killing a bunch of people."

"Duly noted."

The warmth of the save point filled Frisk with the determination she needed to get through this challenge. Walking into the quaint house, Frisk once again smelled the sweet scent of pie. Again, she walked into the dining/living room with Flowey in tow and overheard a hushed argument between the goats. Frisk appeared in the kitchen doorway. Asgore and Tori looked over to the human. "I must attend to the flowers outside..." Asgore quickly withdrew himself from the conversation and exited, again. Tori simply shook her head, again.

Tori, Flowey, and Frisk found themselves in the living room again, with pie slices and cups of tea. Frisk paid closer attention this time to Tori. Luckily, Tori didn't seem to note Frisk's close study. Instead, she went to take a sip of her tea but stopped herself. "Oh, my dear! I need to cool your tea for you!" The goat woman tapped a finger on Frisk's tea cup. The human side glanced at Tori as she took a sip. The tea didn't burn her mouth this time. Instead, it was pleasantly hot, but not scalding. Tori smiled and proceeded to drink from her cup as well.

The tea cup moment changed, and it unnerved Frisk. Sometimes Toriel had shown signs of remembering previous timelines, such as when she'd remembered Frisk's choice of flavor. Some things like that always creeped Frisk out, though she had to admit it was creepier for her to keep coming back from death.

The conversation played out mostly the same. Frisk explained to Tori that she had fallen down. However, when Toriel offered that Frisk could find happiness with the Dreemurr family, Frisk took a deep breath, and voiced her real thoughts. "I really appreciate all that you and Asgore have done for me... I really do! But-" Frisk looked down at her cup of tea, unable to meet Tori's harshening stare. "But I have something I need to do. I can't stay here."

Tori had gripped her tea cup tightly as she heard Frisk speak her mind. The goat woman closed her eyes, concentrating on the words, their meaning, and thought about what had to be done. Frisk looked up at Tori. The goat woman loosened her grip on the cup and set it aside. "There is something I must do. Wait here." The sorceress stood from her seated position and exited. Frisk could hear her walking downstairs.

Frisk picked up Flowey and followed close behind.

"Going home is improbable. Going back to the surface... is futile." Tori spoke as Frisk followed her down the hallway. It was a speech reminiscent of what Frisk had expected of her. "At the end of this tunnel lies the exit of the ruins, the place where I sought refuge with my husband. It is a one-way exit to the rest of the underground." Tori stopped, and Frisk copied her. Tori turned to face Frisk, "I am going to destroy it. Not you, not any other human, will be able to leave again. Go upstairs and allow me to protect you and everyone else." The goat woman quickly turned and continued onward.

Frisk frowned. It was always this way with Toriel. No matter what Frisk said or did, Toriel would not bargain with the human. There were times, later on, when the constant fight with Toriel had angered Frisk and caused her to make actions she would regret and dream about in the following years above ground. Frisk pursued the monster.

"I have seen countless faces over the past millennia. There was peace once, but that peace has been broken. Now, any humans who fall... who leave the ruins... They die. But it isn't just them. It is never just them who suffer. Foolish human... don't you understand?" Tori looked over her shoulder as they walked down the corridor. "If you leave... the Queen will kill you. For the good of all the souls trapped down here, go to your room."

At the end of the long hallway, before the large chamber that held the exit doors, Tori stopped again. Her voice stern, yet it had a sad emotion underlining it, "This is your final warning. Please do not do something we will both regret."

Frisk defied Tori's orders, and followed her into the room with the gateway to the rest of the underground. Tori turned around and stood tall, her gloved paws at her sides. "I have no choice, then. No human has ever made it past me when I was the captain of the royal guard. Steel yourself!"

In a flash, Frisk's SOUL materialized. Tori stood blocking the path outside. The goat monster made a similar gesture as she had with their previous fight, and summoned both her big brimmed hat and staff, but this time, it wasn't quite as flashy. Her cute, pink boots stayed grounded. Tori did not avert her gaze from Frisk, opting instead to look straight through her, which chilled Frisk to the core. It made Frisk wonder what it must have been like to have a kingdom guarded by this version of Tori.

Frisk tied the red ribbon to her hair, Tori tilted her head, amused by the gesture. "You will not retreat? Sew be it." Tori pointed her staff to the ceiling, causing a micro hail to break free inside the room. It spiraled crystalline shards throughout the room. The human was prepared for that attack, and she dodged. Tori's attack did not have the ferocity it had before, nor did she go into the big soliloquy she had previously. Frisk smiled, the last battle had been triggered by the echo flower on the human's head.

"I don't want to fight you, Tori," Frisk opted Mercy over any thing else. She was curious if the solution to this fight was the same as Toriel. As Frisk spoke, she felt herself breathe a bit easier. Tori answered by creating the snowy double helix in the center of the room, snowflakes sprung from it in a pattern as it spun. Again, Frisk's SOUL bounced around as she tried her best to move out of the way of the magical attack. Flowey grimaced as the twirling ended.

"Put me down! Put me down! You are the worst fighter in the history of the underground!" He sounded on the verge of throwing up. Frisk put him down on the ground behind her when Tori's attack ended.

"Sorry, Flowey," the combatants said in unison.

"You both better be sorry! This is a really silly fight! There is literally no point to this at all!" Flowey's gaze was fiery and intense. He grew his stem long enough to be at their head level. "First off, Tori, what is the point in doing all this? I get it, you don't want Frisk to get hurt. I also get it, you worry about having more problems, about Frisk potentially making the anti-human fervor worse. Well... GET OVER IT!" He jabbed his leaf at his mother accusingly. "And you!" Flowey pointed at Frisk. "Why are you moving your body through all these attacks? Your SOUL and your body don't have to move at the same time, DUH. Tori is probably right, you are going to get completely wrecked if you let both your body AND your SOUL take damage."

"Oh, my dear, he doesn't mean that. That... It is quite hard for a human to manipulate their SOUL apart from their body..." Tori put her hands on her hips and frowned at the flower. "Yes, I worry about Frisk. I worry about what the Queen will do when she finds out another human has fallen. I know the exiled king managed to get to the last one first, but... it is just so risky." Tori shook her head. "And yes, I worry about Frisk hurting another... in self-defense. Yet, it would matter not the reason, because she will still paint it in the most negative light... In any case, do not speak to me in that tone, young man."

Flowey recoiled from Tori's motherly lecture. He was her child after all. Frisk could even feel herself feel a guilt by proxy. Flowey shook his head after a second, and seemed determined to speak his mind. "In any case, Tori... I have a really easy way to fix this!" Flowey looked over at Frisk. "Frisk, think about the time when you made the underground go free. Tori," Flowey looked back over to the goat monster, "please touch one of the flowers on Frisk's head."

"I don't know about this, Flowey," Frisk crossed her arms. "What if you know what happens?"

"Relax, it will be fine!" Flowey smiled.

"This is an odd request, and I don't quite understand what you are asking of Frisk..." Tori walked over, her staff disappearing, though her hat remained. Frisk's SOUL returned to her body. "If you think it will help resolve this conflict, I will do it. If it is okay with Frisk, of course."

Frisk tensed, but nodded. "Give me a second," She closed her eyes and tried to remember. She thought about how she felt the day her friends met the sun. When they were so excited, one of them had run off to make a good impression on the humans and everyone followed him. She remembered when Toriel asked if Frisk would like to stay with her. That memory in particular made Frisk's heart feel giant in her ribcage. "Okay, you can touch the flowers now." Frisk heard Tori mess with something in her paws, then felt the monster's hand on her head. It stuck around there for a moment.

Toriel pulled her paw away from the young human's head. Frisk had been laying in her bed for days, her eyes red and sore. She had the sheets pulled up to her shoulders, and her pillow was moist with fresh tears. The goat woman had just finished massaging her daughter's head, running her furry fingers through the girl's hair. Frisk felt soothed, if only for a moment. It was one of Toriel's biggest strengths.

The monster had not fared very well either. Any fuzzy monster could tell that the fur around her eyes were a bit sticky and moist, and any person could tell you her eyes were red from her own crying. Yet she felt she needed to be strong for Frisk. "My child, I know this is a difficult time... we will overcome this grief. I know it is hard, but... you must get up and come with me. We must give... we must give him a proper goodbye." Toriel struggled still to say the fallen monster's name.

"I k-know," As Frisk spoke, the words choked on their way out. She struggled to breathe through her mouth, her voice raspy from her crying. Frisk forced herself to lean up, her weight on an elbow. "It-It's just h-hard. I-I'm sorry."

"My love," Toriel wrapped her arms around Frisk and pulled her into a deep embrace. "My sweet child, it is not your fault. This is not your fault." Though she tried, Toriel could not help but shed a few extra tears. "Your friend. He would not want to see you in this state. He would not want you to cry for him so. It is hard, but we must say goodbye to him."

Frisk only nodded but cried heavily into her mother's arms. She couldn't handle thinking of saying goodbye to her dear friend. There wasn't even a complete body to look at. Monsters turned to dust, after all.

Tori pulled away as Frisk opened her eyes. "I'm sorry-"

"No," Tori interrupted Frisk. Tori's ungloved paws found Frisk's hands. "It seems to me you have apologized for enough." Tori's grip tightened protectively. "I do not understand what I saw. It seemed like a vision of the future. An older me, perhaps? A different me? These are concepts that... that one of my former lieges had mused about. However, in any case, it seems that the flowers on your crown were not merely cute accessories. No," Tori sighed, "I seem to recall a spell like this. But it makes no sense... that is forbidden magic. Of the highest caliber." Tori looked aside in thought for a moment before continuing. "I believe these memories of yours. So my people had reached the surface... elsewhere in time." Tori smiled brightly, the corners of her eyes wet. "Praise the stars, my dear. Maybe you are meant to save us too. I thank you, for the both of us."

"Oh, thanking people for me, Tori?" Asgore appeared from behind Frisk. Flowey sprouted up on the ground next to him. "Flowey said that you gave Frisk your blessing to leave and that you asked I come down to give a proper farewell."

"Flowey!" Tori shot him a warning glare.

"W-What?" Flowey looked aside with a snide look. "You saw it for yourself... Frisk can totally set us free. Isn't that right, Frisk?"

"Oh? What is this? You mean... we could return to the surface?" Asgore walked over to stand near his wife. His expression almost had stars he was so happy.

"I believe so, my love," Tori nodded. "I saw it in a vision."

"Ah... your visions are usually only 33% correct-" Asgore shut up after Tori shot him a warning glare as well. Flowey laughed, followed by the rest of the goat family.

Frisk stood there silent, her hands still in Tori's paws. She used the family's happy antics to give herself a moment.

"Yes, I think I can find a way to break the barrier... Flowey is actually pretty key to that," Frisk said finally.

"Interesting, I do not recall him in that memory," Tori pulled her hands away to wipe a cheerful tear. "But I do trust you. Before you leave, let us give you some supplies. It is the least we can do."

Tori and Asgore gave Frisk and Flowey a small bag of coins. Frisk tried to politely reject the offer, but Tori insisted. They had no need for money in the ruins, and no plans to come out until the barrier was opened. They also handed Frisk a small backpack with a few treats and tea bags.

"Those are my own blend of tea leaves," Asgore explained as Frisk looked through the contents. "Flowey told me you enjoyed tea, so I hope the tea will remind you of Home as you make your journey."

"Thanks, Asgore," Frisk gave him a big smile. "I know I will think of you."

"I am so sorry we cannot come with you, my dear," Tori blushed somewhat as she looked at the ground. "I cannot really travel... You see... I..."

"You have a baby on the way, don't you?" Frisk stated. It was not a real guess since Tori had said as much in the previous, serious fight.

"O-Oh! I did not think I was showing..." The goat woman giggled, putting a paw over her mouth.

Frisk looked up at the ceiling with a grin. "I actually just noticed that crate full of baby food. It was an educated guess!"

"Ah! Yes!" Tori clapped her hands together. "I nearly forgot to inform you, my dear. When you leave, you must seek help from a certain person. As a human, monsters will attack you in the rest of the underground."

"They were attacking me here too," Frisk scratched her head. "I think I will be okay though."

"No, Frisk," Flowey jumped into the conversation, his flower pot held by Frisk again. "It's something else entirely. It's hard to explain..."

"Flowey is right," Asgore nodded grimly. "The monsters in the rest of the underground are determined to kill a human. I have heard rumors that the Queen has become desperate."

"You must find the exiled king, Frisk," Tori looked Frisk in the eyes, the goat woman's red eyes unyielding. "You must find King Papyrus."

The group shared hugs goodbye. Tori planted kisses on the cheeks of Frisk and even Flowey, who did not recoil from her touch. They shared promises to stay safe. As Frisk pushed past the double doors, she spent a couple seconds looking at the delta rune on the door, it split as she pushed the door open, but it was nested inside a circle with four strange symbols. Frisk committed them to memory. The human and flower left the ruins as Tori and Asgore waved them out.

#undertale fanfiction #undertale #undertale au #bitterblossoms #bitterblossomsAU #tori #flowey #asgore #toriel #frisk #flowey that was quite rude of you omg #ruins

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