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weerd1 · 5 years

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Star Trek DS9 Rewatch Log, Stardate 1907.29: Missions Reviewed, “Hippocratic Oath” and “The Visitor.”

In “Hippocratic Oath,” O’Brien and Bashir crash a runabout in the Gamma Quadrant only to find themselves captured by a squad of Jem’Hadar. Rather than immediately kill them, the squad leader reveals he has actually brought his men here as he himself had been stranded on this planet four years before and it cured his addiction to Ketracel White- the drug all Jam’Hadar are programmed genetically to crave and to perish without.

He asks Julian to see if he as a Doctor can find out how that cure can be passed to the other soldiers. Meanwhile on DS9, Worf sees Quark is plotting to buy illegal goods and can’t understand why Odo isn’t doing more. Worf decides to handle it himself after twice confronting Odo. While arresting them, Odo reveals he was actually there the whole time, working with Quark oddly enough, to break up the larger smuggling ring. Now, due to Worf’s interference, they have to settle for the small fish. Worf realizes things on DS9, as Sisko tells him, have more shades of gray.

Back with Julian, he continues to try and isolate why this Jem’Hadar has broken his addiction, to the point of resisting O’Brien’s attempts to free them. The other soldiers are becoming more unstable though, and despite the wishes of their leader, plan to kill the humans. When O’Brien gets a chance to go, he tries to get Julian, who again refuses. O’Brien destroys his work in an effort to get the Doctor to leave. Then, the Squad Leader appears, and takes the two of them to their ship, staying behind to put his troops out of their misery before they run out of the drug. When Bashir asks why, he says that O’Brien, a Soldier, could explain it to him.

By this point the Bashir/O’Brien interaction is pretty great, so having a really interesting moral conundrum to create conflict between them works well. Both of them have their point with Bashir wondering if they could change the Jem’Hadar if only they can cure the addiction, but O’Brian believing it will just make them an uncontrollable killing force. O’Brien sounds a little like he did when he used to talk about Cardassians before he came to terms with that prejudice, but his arguments are sound as we watch the other Soldiers, when independent, become more ruthless. Bashir’s argument also has worth as the Leader really is beginning to develop an actual moral code now separated from his “Gods,” the Founders. Good character piece for both actors. Worf and Odo’s B-Story reminds us of other times the good constable had a Starfleet security officer in his way-particularly Eddington-but here Worf learns his lesson. I also love that Worf NEVER refers to Quark by name, but only as “The Ferengi Barkeep.”

In “The Visitor” and old man is alone in a cabin after dosing himself with medication when a knock comes at the door. A young woman has appeared out of the night, trying to find the famous novelist Jake Sisko, who has not published in 30 years.

The old man is Jake, and he seems to appreciate that “on tonight of all nights” he has a chance to share his story. He tells a tale that goes back decades to the present on DS9. Jake is supposed to join his dad on the Defiant to watch a wormhole anomaly that only occurs every 50 or so years. The incident damages the ship however, and in the aftermath of trying to fix the engine, energy comes from the warp core passing through both Siskos and killing Ben, vaporizing him in front of his son. As time passes, things change on the station with the Klingons continuing to aggressively move toward the wormhole. Suddenly, Ben appears, and the crew realizes his is caught in some kind of subspace pocket. They are unable to retain him and he vanishes again. Jake leaves DS9 when it is ceded by the Federation to the Klingons and returns to Earth. He writes books, marries, and occasionally enjoys visits from his Starfleet officer friend, Nog.

When Ben appears again on Earth, Jake realizes Ben is somehow bonded with him, not the wormhole. He abandons his writing career to earn a Doctorate in temporal physics, but in the process loses his wife. In his 60s the opportunity comes to return to the wormhole when it going through the same inversion that started this. He gets Nog to get the Defiant out of mothballs, and the elder Dax and Bashir join him. They see Sisko, and Jake is even pulled into the subspace pocket for a while, but they still can’t retrieve Ben. Afterwards he retires back to his house in the Bayou, writing again, but also wondering if there is something he can do. Then he finds the solution; of he can sever the link while Ben is there, Ben will slingshot back to the point of origin. Jake reveals to the young woman that Ben will appear that night, and that he has taken a drug that will kill him. He gives her a copy of his new stories and she leaves while he waits for Ben to appear. When he does, Jake shows him the dedication of the new book: “To my father, who is coming home.” Ben watches powerless as the elderly Jake dies in his arms, then Ben finds himself back in the engine room of the Defiant, able to dodge the energy blast by inches, preventing his entry into the subspace pocket. He clings to the 18-year-old Jake, shaken by what he has seen, but knowing there is another chance for them.

Jesus Christ. Not only did this episode AGAIN leave me in tears about every ten minutes, sitting here and writing the synopsis has me weeping again. This is simply the single most moving, best written, best acted hour of television ever produced. Tony Todd appears to play Jake from about age 30 on to 80 and his interaction with the periodically appearing Ben leave you with no doubt that this is a father and son who are living through a life-long tragedy together. Meanwhile, the performance and the young woman Melanie, played to perfection by Rachel Robinson, daughter of Andy Robinson (Garak), gives you this woman who seeks only to find only her hero and instead becomes intimately involved in a tale of loss, regret, and the emotion of losing the person who best represented strength to you as you grew. There is no loss quite like it, a mourning that never quite leaves you, and this episode manages to create that sympathetic grief to perfection. Yet, it leaves you with hope as well. Simply the best episode of DS9, the best episode of Star Trek, and the best episode of television, period.

One last interesting tidbit is this scene (this image courtesy of trekcore.com) when Kira is trying to get Jake to leave the station after the loss of his father.

It foreshadows the very last thing we will see in the very last episode of DS9, where Sisko has joined the Prophets and the Wormhole, and Jake, with Kira, waits for him. Dammit, I just started crying again.

NEXT MISSION: Missing Bajoran prisoners from years before and a recovered Cardassian ship may indicate an “Indiscretion.”

#star trek #star trek: Deep Space Nine #DS9 Rewatch #The Visitor

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replicatedpineapple · 5 years

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enterprise outfits rated by me*, part 2/?

*some kid named Isabelle who doesn’t have anything better to do than this

Greetings, it’s me, back at it again with another installment of...... this........... thing.............., which literally no one asked for, but listen, someone has to do it

once again, all images are from trekcore.com

Trip and Malcolm’s shore leave outfits

There’s a lot to unpack here but can I just start by pointing out that Malcolm Reed only ever wears grey off duty? I bet his wardrobe is organized by colour except all his clothes are just divided into two categories: “uniforms” and “grey stuff”

I am honestly surprised Trip’s outfit isn’t more colourful? really, after that shirt he showed up in on the bridge during fallen hero, this is kind of a downgrade. (It could have been worse though, I mean, he could’ve been wearing grey)

overall rating: 7/10 because they could have made this so much worse and I’m disappointed they didn’t

Hoshi’s shore leave outfit

Perfect. as always

overall rating: 12/10 please marry me

Travis’ rock climbing outfit

why was the enterprise costuming department so obsessed with blue? any outfit that shows off Travis’ muscles like this is a good outfit. seriously though, how did he become this ripped? is it because of the rock climbing? does he spend literally all of his free time in the gym? is being a helmsman in the 2150′s an extremely tough job that can only be done by really strong people? how did he learn rock climbing if he grew up in space? why does he keep breaking his legs? I am confusion, enTERPRISE EXPLAIN

Overall rating: 10/10 fucking superb you funky little pilot man

Archer’s shore leave outfit

it’s.......,,,,,,,,, b eige..,,,,., why do th ey wear so much BEIGE,,,,,,,,,, pls save me from thi s beige hell

overall rating: 3/10 i am so done with beige pls stop

that dress from carbon creek

it is beige, yes, but i’ll ignore that fact because she looks so cute in this

overall rating: 10/10 because... y e s

andorians

these are so complicated, I’m seriously confused about the functionality of these things (and what is going on with the crotch area? why does it look like they’re wearing a bathing suit over their trousers?) but you know, what, none of that matters because they really went for that aesthetic and I respect that

overall rating: 8/10 because what

b l u e u n d i e s

I just wanted to include this in this post because it’s cursed but now that I added this picture I honestly don’t know what to say. how do you rate underwear

overall rating: what am I doing

I don’t remember what episode this is from but it might have been the ww2 one

this, together with hoshi’s jacket in affliction, is proof that enterprise would be 200% improved if it contained more leather jackets

overall rating: 10/10 and I want a leather jacket

space suits!!!!

rad. absolutely rad. my only complaint is the lack of glitter,

overall rating: 9/10 (had to subtract a point for the lack of glitter)

#star trek #star trek enterprise #enterprise #st ent #star trek ent #replicatedpineapple's original quality content #why are you booing me im right #enterprise outfits rated

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startrekdsc · 5 years

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“What I’ve learned from being on the set of this show is that they remind me of [TNG]. They hang out together, they support each other, they stay on the set to watch each other shoot scenes and, as you know, that isn’t always the case in television.

On weekends they get together and eat together and go dancing together and have fun together. It is like a family and it’s a thrill to be part of it. And I think it comes across.” ~Jonathan Frakes on the DSC cast

#star trek discovery #jonathan frakes #Interviews #star trek dsc #new eden

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speedygal · 5 years

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“I go back to my childhood and Luke Skywalker, the [‘Star Wars’] farm boy who looks out at the twin suns of Tatooine and imagines his future. ‘Trek’ never gave me that. ‘Trek’ was always fully formed adults, already in Starfleet and people who have decided who they are. And it never was aspirational that way.

It’s important to me to find a way to go back and reach younger kids in a way that ‘Trek’ should and never really has.”

Star Trek is about looking toward a better tomorrow, Kurtzman, you have no idea what Star Trek is about.

#Alex Kurtzman #star trek #CBSAA

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thekoshertribble · 6 years

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“I’m like Dr. Brown. An android. Didn’t you know?” Women of Star Trek Blog Entry #4 What are Little Girls Made of? Andrea(?)

Hello, readers, I’m back and ready to blog again! Today I’ll be discussing “What are Little Girls Made of?” I have to confess I put off writing this for a few days because, frankly, I thought I might come up with some last-minute revelation about this character, or come up with some historical or literary references. Sadly, I haven’t, and I doubt that I will. So, I apologize if you have a ton of thoughts about Andrea. This is going to be a relatively small post compared to my previous one about Eve McHuron. So with that said, let’s get on with it.

So who is Andrea? She is an android created by the radical scientist Dr. Roger Korby while trapped in the caverns of planet Exo III. (He’s also Chapel’s former lover). Bascially, Korby and his team get stuck there while excavating the ruins of a lost civilization which perfected making human-like robots. Korby transfers his mind into a android body resembling his own to keep from freezing to death, and he does the same for his assistant, Dr. Brown. Then, for some reason, he decides to build an android from scratch and name it Andrea. (Get it? ’Cuz she’s an android. She’s ANDRea the ANDRoid? Ugh. someone help me)

Andrea doesn’t strike me as that complex of a character. In fact, I added another question mark at the beginning of this entry because I’m not sure if she qualifies as a woman. Now, calm down Data lovers, I’m not saying that all androids aren’t people or compelling characters. I just referring to Andrea herself. (Trust me, when I get around to Season 3, I’ll have plenty to say about Rayna Kapec because she’s a fascinating character). Andrea is rather one-dimensional: not necessarily because the script or plot renders her that way, but because she was designed that way. Let me explain...

Unlike Korby and Brown, Andrea (as far as we know) does not contain the consciousness of a former human. She was built from scratch, designed by Korby’s mind. As he explains to Nurse Chapel: “an android's like a computer. It does only what I program.” Andrea is simply the product of Korby’s programming. Everything she does (or doesn’t do) is by his design.

Personality-wise, there really isn’t much there. Throughout the episode, she simply does what Korby tells her to do, without any hesitation or expression of disapproval. Consider this quick exchange:

ANDREA (to Chapel): Why does it bother you when I use the name Roger?

KORBY: Andrea, it's sufficient that it does disturb her. You will call me Doctor Korby from now on, Andrea.

ANDREA: Yes, Doctor Korby.

She gives no sign of offense, sadness, or resentment in her response. It’s totally neutral. He may as well have asked her to rearrange a file cabinet.

Korby acknowledges that this is all in her nature. Despite her uncanny human appearances, she is strictly a computer, without feelings or original thought: “She simply responds to orders. She's a totally logical computer. A thing is not a woman.”

Korby even orders Andrea to kiss and Kirk and then slap him across the face to demonstrate this. She silently obeys.

Meanwhile, Chapel is still quite suspicious of Andrea. Her existence was a surprise to Chapel, who assumed that Korby and Brown were alone: “I never heard doctor Korby mentioning an Andrea,” she remarks coldly. Andrea, for her part, seems to be completely unaware of this suspicion, even though it’s pretty obvious.

I believe that Andrea acts as a foil to Chapel’s character. Not only are they rivals, lovers of the same man, they are opposites when I comes to personality (or lack of it). Chapel is a woman - organic, capable of having several layers of emotion and understanding the emotions of others. Most importantly, she is capable of self realization, making her own goals and forging her own personal identity.

Andrea, on the other hand, was built to serve Korby. That’s her purpose so long as she functions. All the “negatives” of human nature - selfishness, ambition - have been programmed out of her. Additionally, she seems to struggle understanding the emotions of others, especially Chapel’s. Take this tense conversation, after Kirk has been taken prisoner by Korby.

ANDREA: I do not understand. Why are you unhappy? You are with Roger again.

CHAPEL: Where is Captain Kirk?

ANDREA: You are concerned about the captain?

CHAPEL: Yes, I am concerned.

ANDREA: How can you love Roger without trusting him? Why does it bother you when I use the name Roger?

Andrea can recognize emotions in others, but cannot understand the reasons why they arise. Emotions are complex things; it’s hard enough for us humans to grasp them. It’s even harder for a computer to understand their nuances. And that’s essentially what Andrea is: a computer in a young woman’s body.

Chapel refers to Andrea as “a mechanical geisha,” implying Korby created her for his own pleasure.

KORBY: You think I could love a machine?

CHAPEL: Did you?

KORBY: Andrea's incapable of that. She simply obeys orders. She has no meaning for me. There's no emotional bond.

Notice that he doesn’t answer her question. Instead he just says that Andrea is incapable of love. But that doesn’t mean that he isn’t capable of loving her, or more accurately, sexually attracted to her. Which he probably is. Ew.

I could probably wrap this entry up nicely here, but I need to discuss the episode’s finale, because that’s when things get...well, odd.

It starts when Kirk is once again held prisoner and is plotting his escape. When Andrea enters the room with food for him, he commands her to kiss him, which she does, just as Korby ordered her to do before. She then attempts to strike him, again, just as Korby ordered her to, but Kirk blocks her hand ad draws her closer for a more passionate kiss. They (very awkwardly) kiss for a moment, but then she pushes him away, saying she is “not programmed for” him. Kirk releases her, and she leaves in a confused state.

I believe that Kirk is experimenting here - he’s trying to find out just how logical these androids are. Is it possible for them to develop emotions on their own? Despite everything I’ve argued above, is it possible for Andrea to have desires independent of those programmed into her by her creator?

In a later scene, she is ordered by Korby to get a weapon and guard the tunnels from an intruder. (Spock is on the way to rescue his husb- I mean Captain). While patrolling the corridors she encounters the Android Kirk. She approaches him, saying, “I will kiss you.” He rejects her outright. “It is illogical,” he says. And with that, she disintegrates him. Later she explains she thought it was the real Kirk; she thought he was escaping so she had to kill him.

Okay, assuming she thought it was the real Kirk, who was wearing a different outfit from when she saw him last, did she have to kill him? No, you could just stun him or something. The scene and dialogue suggest she wanted to kiss him, and when he rejects her, she kills him out of anger.

But she’s just a computer! How does this make any sense?!?

Andrea’s rather cold-blooded murder of Android Kirk suggests to Kirk and the audience that Korby has not succeeded in programming evil out of human beings. To paraphrase Kirk, to get rid of hate is also to rid of love. You cannot have one without the other.

This scene, and her last scene in which Korby and Andrea are killed when Korby shoots them both, are the only two scenes where she appears to display her own desires and she’s fighting with her own programming.

I don’t understand what causes the change, or why she kills Android Kirk or why she embraces Korby in her last moments. It makes me feel as though I’m missing something. Either the episode lacks in plot or I’m lacking in interpretive imagination. I really don’t know.

So that’s where I’m gonna leave you folks. What do you think about Andrea, and her role in the episode’s finale? If you enjoyed this please reblog, and if you have any thoughts or insight, please leave a comment. Thank you all for reading!

Next entry: Miri

PS: these lovely visual aids came from Trekcore.com

#star trek #star trek tos #what are little girls made of #nurse chapel #chapel #andrea #android #androids #kirk #star trek original series #original series

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slippery-domjot-balls · 10 months

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DS9 S4 E11 Homefront & E12 Paradise Lost, slippery thoughts

Wow....let me catch my breath. That was a wild and tense ride. Nice scenery too. Obviously these are just my opinions, but I wanted to share them because Star Trek makes me happy and passionate. I want you to be happy and passionate too!

Given the intensity of these two episodes I completely forgot it started off with Jadzia pulling off the most specific pranks on Odo.

Jadzia: I sneak into my coworker's private quarters and move his furniture by 3 cm every couple of days.

Quark: That's weird. They would not even notice that change.

Jadzia: Oh, no no no. He sees it every time and it drives him insane.

Audience: Oh you silly worm!

And I loved that we got to see these two besties playing pretend. We need more Miles and Julian aviation adventures. Super cute pals.

R.I.P. Clive

Playtime is over now because the changelings have basically infiltrated Earth and are ruining everything all the time and it isn't fun anymore....or are they? They are, but are they? Possibly. Probably. Perhaps.

To me this kind of episode is the pinnacle of what Star Trek writing has always been about. We see a complex evaluation of choices in conflict. It is not about an obvious "right" or "wrong", but one decision versus another. This is a battle between perspective and reason. All sides contain some merit. This episode also shows good intentions taken too far and taken beyond the ethical reasoning that initially inspired the action.

If this episode were to have a villain it would be fear and paranoia itself and not any particular character.

Vice Admiral Leyton was an amazing character. It was brilliant to establish that he had a close professional history with Sisko early in the episode because it immediately made me trust him. You sneaky writers!! But that was the whole point. The story that was unfolding to the audience purposefully made us feel betrayed with Sisko. We co-experienced in real time the feeling seeing a close friend commit treason.

Enter the most powerful man on Earth. He can move the most stubborn hearts, calm the most irrational mind, and fill up the most starved stomach. Replicated foods beware of Grandpa Sisko. I see where Jake gets his style too! It was so believable that these three were family. You could see how cadences, mannerism, and behaviors in Granddad Sisko were passed to Ben and then passed down to Jake, but in their own naturally developing ways in each generation.

*Spoiler Alert* Grandpa Sisko also saves the day.

Just when I thought this episode had all the ingredients for perfection Nog the keeper of all things pure and innocent shows up. Look at that smug Ferengi. He knows that he is the best thing at the Academy and so do we.

A great thing about these two episodes is that every character acts as an essential part of the story. Nog will lead Ben on the chase with his talk of the Red Squad. A+ Nog!

This ain't your normal seagull. This one loves Bajoran women.

Around this point we have all the main details of the episode. Admiral Leyton and Captain Sisko are working together to protect Earth from a suspected Dominion infiltration and invasion. The President of the Federation is against the proposed worldwide security changes but reluctantly allows their implementation.

With security personnel, blood tests of all crucial Starfleet staff and family members, and martial law practically in effect everywhere we are ready to repel any Dominion attacks. After all, the wormhole was winking at DS9 a lot so perhaps a cloaked invasion fleet is on Earth's doorstep.

HERE WE GO! Papa Sisko challenges Daddy Sisko's paranoia. Ben is seeing changelings in his sleep and not the Odo kind either.

So we start to see the episode present one of it's many challenges:

How far should we trade individual autonomy for protection?

And THIS is why I love Star Trek. Grandfather Sisko is absolutely correct!! And yet, Ben Sisko is also correct. Both want to protect what they love, life ad they know and perceive it.

We search for the highest good in each situation. Ben wants to secure and save everything he loves on Earth. He wants to protect his family, his home, and everything therein. Grandpa Sisko wants the EXACT same thing. The methods to achieve their shared goal is in conflict.

DS9 writers have a candy bar on me. Well done!!! (engage smooching sounds)

This very moment is crucial for Ben. His paranoia is pushing him toward the type of dictatorial control that Admiral Leyton is calling for, but Ben has found that not only is something odd happening in the background but this entire movement smell stinky.

Nog is such a good cadet. I love him with all my little heart. He provided critical information about Starfleet Academy's unofficial super special secret mean girls club Red Squad. This little snack of information sets Ben Sisko on the trail of breadcrumbs leading to the smorgasbord of treason committed by Leyton.

Smug Shapeshifting O'Brien is a gift. Enjoy every second of this hilarious goop boy. Colm really did a great job. We do see that there is a Dominion changeling on earth (saw it earlier in Homefront as well). We understand how real the threat of their activity can be. We especially see how terrifying a changeling can be when Dominion version O'Brien has a little chat with Ben. It might only take one hostile changeling to completely destabilize an entire world.

I do wish we figured out how the fake changeling blood was created to trap Sisko. Clever girl, Admiral.

I felt bad for Leyton. He is someone caught in a difficult position of authority and personal fears. His own paranoia drove him to the utmost extreme. I imagined that maybe he has a cute little family with a kid back home. I imagined what it might be like in his shoes. It would be hard to live thinking that your lack of effort led to the death of your child or friend or family member or significant other. It would be hard to go to bed knowing that the person you once shared it with prematurely died because of that you thought you failed to do. Even in much of the two episodes his facial expressions show a man full of internal strife and conflict. It is as if he kept questioning his actions as he made them.

What if his fear of failing his community drove him to radical dictatorship? He wanted to keep all that he loved safe, but he betrayed everyone he loved. He demanded that all his loyal friends trust him. Trust is a two way exchange though. He abandoned trusting his friends and confidants. That was the beginning of his downfall.

Leyton wanted to protect society at the cost of society itself. He could not see beyond his fear of losing society to war and enemies abroad to the point of blindness. He became an enemy of all he cherished, and I honestly think that he knew that too. He was just so scared that he desperately dug in to the one aspect of his life that he thought he could control, which is so relatable. We all can act irrationally under stress and pressure. This is not justification or approval. This is accepting that life may not have as many villains in it as we are told to believe. People are just trying to be people, meet their obligations and responsibilities while preserving what little bit of life exists to enjoy.

We are all prone to brash behaviors in order to protect what we love, but sometimes it is healthy to set down the admiralty bars and accept that you can't do it all, especially alone.

Remember that everyone in this episode wanted the same thing. Leyton wanted to protect life. Sisko wanted to protect life. Grandpa Sisko wanted to protect life. Everyone held the same belief and motivation.

I appreciated how solemnly Leyton gave in and how respectfully he surrendered. It actually felt less like defeat and more like he was relieved of a burden that he was too overwhelmed to carry alone. He didn't need to carry it alone but chose to go alone. In a symbolic way by removing the admiral bars he set down his fear and moved on.

The amount of time taken for these shots impressed upon me the symbolic significance of it. Sisko also lets go and moves on with Leyton. By setting the phaser down he too lets go and agrees it is time to move forward from this conflict. He is still betrayed and disappointed, but he is not stuck or trapped in the past. He sets down his weapon and joins Leyton in facing a reality outside the oppression of their own paranoia.

I loved that Paradise Lost ends with the restaurant opening up again. It is the resolution these episodes needed. It was closure showing that being open to others and not letting the world cloud you of the humanity in others is fundamental to life.

Despite the many differences in all these characters, regardless of where they were in the progress of their own lives, no matter the goal or intention, we all essentially desire the same things.

Star Trek is the future I hope for!

If you made it to the end of this post and are reading this then 10,000 sweet kisses to your forehead. If you didn't make it then I am still giving your forehead tender kisses, you are just not aware of it.

#pictures courtesy of trekcore.com #love you @trekcore #star trek deep space 9 #ds9 #DS9 gang #slippery thoughts #benjamin sisko #miles obrien #julian bashir #worf #jadzia dax #kira nerys #odo ital #nog #quark #morn #admiral leyton #i am not going to add any more tags

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captainpikeachu · 6 years

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two different NYCC interviews with Ethan Peck and Anson Mount have asked about the relationship between Spock and Pike and this is so getting me hyped!!!!

because for as long as I can remember, I have always wondered what did Pike do that made Spock so utterly devoted to the man that Spock was willing to not just throw away his Starfleet commission but also his own life, all to get Pike to the Talosians - I mean, Spock didn’t need to, he didn’t have to, Pike could have lived a life on the medical base but Spock literally risked everything he had to try and persuade Pike to go

I was always so curious by the why - it bugged me forever that the shows never answered it and I’ve always wanted an answer, and now it’s looking like Discovery season 2 will be addressing that very question I have been wondering for so long????!!!!!!!!

this was stated in the interview with TrekMovie.Com:

Did “The Cage” inform your performances as Pike and Spock?

Mount: Not as much as “The Menagerie.” The sacrifices that Spock makes, his willingness to put everything on the line to do something for Pike, that definitely informs the relationship.

and then we got this more detailed answer from TrekCore.com:

TREKCORE: What about the relationship between Spock and Pike? In “The Menagerie,” we see Spock’s loyalty is so deep that he almost ends his Starfleet career getting Pike back to the Talosians – do we see much of that devotion in Discovery?

MOUNT: There’s a moment in the first episode of the season, where I’m talking to Burnham – she has questions about where Spock is – and I mention a little bit about what he’s been going through. At a certain point, she asks me what it’s all about, and I say, “[He] didn’t want to talk to me.” There’s just so much packed into that one line – [Spock] didn’t want to share with me, he didn’t want to tell me. Rather than, “I ordered him and he ignored it,” or “He didn’t come to my office…” There’s a real friendship at work here.

PECK: And I think that illuminates the dignity of Spock, too. He sort of hides his shame from someone that he respects and admires.

TREKCORE: So even with their friendship, Spock wouldn’t open up to him about this situation.

PECK: As a Vulcan, you know, yeah, it would be kind of intolerable [for Spock].

I AM SO UTTERLY READY FOR STAR TREK DISCOVERY TO GIVE ME MORE PIKE AND SPOCK FEELSSSSS!!!!!!

like seriously, I have been wondering about this thing ever since I saw the Menagerie and now there is actually room on a show for them to explore that relationship more and give it the spotlight that it totally deserves!!!!

Thank you Discovery!!!!!

#christopher pike #spock #star trek #anson mount #ethan peck #captain pike #mister spock #star trek discovery #YES PLS #MORE SPOCK AND PIKE

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