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boxwinebaddie · 8 months

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what’s ike up to in peppermint? :O

hskdalkdasl....no good lmaooooo

ike is in....eighth grade i think ( also he is smarter than god so he skipped a grade ) and he is...a fucking menace to society.

but in a different way than kyle was.

kyle was a menace to society because he wanted to prove he was smarter than everyone else and gets called into the principal's office to get awards and accolades. he also worked hard for everything he did and it paid off because he put that effort in.

ike is brilliant and does not care. he is an evil genius.

he gets called into the principals office for making shit explode in science class and hacked into the schools PA system to play evidence of the principal cheating on his wife with the janitor literally just for fun. he like changes people's grades and writes their essays for money i swear to god. like a teacher gave him detention and he stole her dog and used a voice change app to black mail her, got like 500 dollars and returned her dog unharmed. HES SO MUCH

kyle = order and also = lawful neutral tbh

ike….probably chaotic neutral….DARE I SAY NEUTRAL EVIL OR CHAOTIC EVIL HDJSSK IM TELLING U HE NEEDS TO BE LOCKED UP but i do not think there is an institution on planet earth that could hold him tbh

ike is the second child and shelia like totally worships the ground he walks on he can do no wrong, gerald is the same. kyle got all of shelia's helicopter parenting and geralds obsession with his legacy/disappointment and ike kind of gets off scot free for everything...but as a result that absence of like consequences/actual attention/love made him the way he is.

kyle and ikes relationship is complicated because when he was little ike idolized kyle and kyle was really cruel to him but loved him in the dl way kyle does. but as he grew up and ike got more rebellious and teenagery he started to a one boy kyle hate club.

also kyle is like his only real 'parent' he has bc sheila/gerald kinda don't look after him so kyle is constantly maddogging him and like grounding him and being the fun police ( mostly to keep him safe ) and ike haaaaates that!!! also kyle gets blamed for all the crazy evil shit ike does bc he is their angel!!! they love eachother but you gotta read between the lines.

ike....is obsessed with stan tho. like obsessed obsessed shadldh he thinks kyle is lame as fuck and stan is like the coolest fucking person on planet earth its so!!! literally kyle comes home and ike is like UR HOME ITS...oh what the fuck its just You! Where Is Stan??? HLSKHLKSH the chokehold stanley marsh has on the broflovski boys is so unserious. also social pariah ike is bffls with firkle and is kinda in with the goth kids. so he's all 'counter culture' beat poet no one understand me ike which is why he's literally obsessed with stan because he's edgy omg.

stan gave ike his old vinyl record player and brings him music he thinks he likes, donated all his old band teeshirts to ike, still helps coach the hockey team, and is the only cfpom person ike likes ( or like any person tbh ) also stan thinks hes super nice and everyone is just overreacting like stans like "dude idk why you hate him so much hes super nice to me! middle schoolers are just like that u know!" and kyles like "THEYRE JUST LIKE THAT????? STAN HE TRIED TO SELL ME ON THE DARK WEB FOR FIVE DOLLARS!!!!!!" and stans like "woah he got on the dark web I MEAN IKE!!!!! TAKE THAT DOWN" and ike is like sorry stan dont be mad and sticks his tongue out at kyle smh

also ike has a crush on karen mccormick and literally has no idea what to do shes like the only person in school that is nice to him and its giving kindergarten stan/ky. FILMORE IS ALSO CONSTANTLY RIZZING KAREN!!!! LIKE NOOOOO!!! NOT MY WORST ENEMY! he spends his every waking moment trying to make filmore miserable i swear to god its diabolical

anyways...thats ike...doing nothing good...i love him but oh my god he is a monster

#this was so funny i forgot abt ike #but he is insane #like he is literally an evil genius like i think he could break into area 51 #he is just brilliant and lazy and does not care abt anyone except for stan and karen and firkle #FILMORE CATCH THESE HANDS THO #also...small pep update...i am so unmotivated and have such little inspiration to write #i have no idea when the next chapter will be out and i also...i am sorry...might have to put it on hiatus #and whenever it comes out it will just come out #sorry to bear the bad news #rm might come out even if pep doesnt tho and if i get hate for that ill take it its fine #gotta listen to my heart sorry guys #BUT IKE!!!!! MENACE

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berenstein · 3 years

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tbh i think neutral evil might be more the way to go with dream? bc he does have his own internal motivations, he's not just power-hungry and selfish for the sake of itself, and he does have things he personally cares about. that said, he's also willing to discard those things if they get in the way of what he Ultimately wants, which is very neutral as opposed to chaotic, imo?

hi!!!! putting this under a read more as well because i apparently do not know how to stop talking LOL :]

i totally agree with you!!!!!! i think that discrepancy between the morals of c!dream's motivations and the morals of his actions is what is causing this to be such a debate LOL. like his actions and some of the things he says (ex: the spirit speech, repeated destruction of l'manberg, having "too much fun" with tommy to kill him or stop messing with him, everything we've discussed in the other posts about this so i won't go on about it more here) definitely fall more under chaotic evil but the mottos and ideals he actually seems to live by typically are more reflective of lawful evil.

this mostly includes the idea of "the ends justify the means" (which is. basically the motto for a lawful evil character) but it is also reflected in his reliance on order and law to justify some of his actions (ex: the obsidian wall around new l'manberg, exiling tommy) and protect him from some of the actions of others (ex: "l'manberg can't start a war with me because technically we didn't violate any of the treaties since this is a new country"). his evil is methodical and intentional (museum of attachments) whereas chaotic is usually. well. chaotic. he is unpredictable to others not because he acts impulsively, but because logically he is always ten steps ahead and he plans things thoroughly.

a more lawful evil ideal that dream shows is that he also genuinely seems to value some of his allies. granted, he has pretended to value some of his "allies" like tubbo, but he showed sincere loyalty to and care for people like c!punz ("we have to stage a fight between us so they dont go after you") and c!george ("im dethroning you as king because i care about you and i dont want you to get hurt") until he felt as if they had betrayed him in some capacity.

with all of that i think there is definitely enough features of both chaotic and lawful evil that it would ultimately push c!dream into the neutral evil category (considering that is basically the middle ground between lawful and chaotic.)

so i guess the real question is whether i should write him as being chaotic evil but leaning towards neutral evil or the other way around....?

anyway thank u so much for the message!!!! im really enjoying this c!dream discussion as said by the name of my ask box LOL. i am literally always down to talk about him and im having so much fun with all of this stuff LOL. i really liked your perspective !!! thank u for sharing !!!! <3

#ask #anon #/dsmp #i guess another thing to consider here is how honest he is being when he says he wants the chaos and destruction #like does he want the chaos and destruction for the sake of chaos and destruction?#or does he want c!tommy to see chaos and destruction for motives of vengeance?#or is it for motives of eventual peace like in the big happy family idea?#it's really impossible to know until he finally does that lore stream LOL #anyway anyway thank u again for the message!!! i appreciate it a lot :]

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asagimeta · 6 years

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Does it amuse anyone else how easily the original four (teenagers) from Teen Wolf fit into the Core Four roles in Riverdale...? I mean...

Scott/Archie:

Middle-class with a single parent who's always trying to make ends meet, playing a very physical sport (football/lacrosse) as a key charector trait, The Nice Guy who always has good intentions even if they don't play out the best way, is pretty naive and not always the most aware of what's going on around him but tries to keep up with it anyway, best freinds with The Sarcastic Edgelord, instantly fell in love with The New Girl who's father is into some really shady business and kind of can't stand him, also The New Girl's family is a threat to who he is (be it biologically or circumstantially) and he gets caught between wanting to be with her and wanting to be, you know, alive (I won't believe for a second that Hiram wouldn't casually kill off one of Veronica's boyfreinds I mean...) has a connection to the FBI, also does alot of shirtless running and fell assbackwards into the main plot of season one because he was sort of ... there... and now he's stuck with the fallout, I Never Wanted Any Of This I Just Wanted To Be A Normal Highscooler Why Do People Keep Dieing!?

Stiles/Jughead:

Also middle-class raised by a single father who's involved with the law and isn't around *alot* so learned from an early age to take life into his own hands, best freinds with The Nice Guy and is either instigating trouble or following well-intentioned-but-woefully-bad-at-planning Nice Guy into trouble, they're kind of a packaged deal, he's The Sarcastic Edgelord, (the difference being that Jughead is more normal trying to be edgy and Stiles is more edgy trying to be normal but the shoe still fits) Can't keep his mouth shut and would literally physically die if he ever missed an opportunity to make a sarcastic comment, Detective In Training, Must Get To The Bottom Of Everything At Own Expense, can't leave well enough alone, Attracted To Danger, always has to be eating or doing *something* with his mouth, the kind of tragic past that Lifetime movie writers are already trying to buy from him, is often labeled The Weird One and knows a little bit about virtually everything but always wants to know more, first crush- who he always thought was unobtainable- is, on the outside, his polar opposite, but on the inside, actually more like a missing peice, Chaotic Good, does /NOT/ mind breaking the law if it's for the right reasons, would sooner die than let anyone else tell him what to do, Angst Magnet, I Get Uncomfortable If There Hasn't Been A Life-Threatening Crisis Recently

Allison/Veronica:

The New Girl, just moved from a big city to a small town, instantly falls for way-too-buff-for-his-age Nice Guy despite her family's objections, starts out I'll Do What I Want and falls into The Family Business, will probably in some way change The Family Business (in Veronica's case; Allison already did) Sweet On The Outside But Could Still Murder You, very wealthy, comes from blood money, toes the lines between what's morally acceptable by her code and what's expected of her from her family, BFFs forever and ever with Cheerleader Fodder, has a Creepy Guy harrassing her who was a lownote villain of season two, really really wants her boyfreind and her dad to get along with eachother and is the single reason for living in regards to both of them (The Nice Guy worships the ground she walks on and The Overprotective Shady Father would probably buy a small country just so he could make her an *actual* princess) This Crap Didn't Happen In My Old Town But I'm Kind Of Thriving In It???

Lydia/Betty:

Comes from a wealthy family (though not as wealthy as The New Girl's by far) and has all of the teenage girl stereotypes that would make you think she's Homecoming Queen but that's really surface level and if you peel back even a tiny layer of skin there's like... a never ending pit of darkness what the hell???????? (Thus- Cheerleader Fodder) Had romantic entanglements with both The Nice Guy and The Sarcastic Edgelord; has been the object of aforementioned Edgelord's affection for way longer than she realizes, everyone thought she and The New Girl would be enemies but they're actually besties for life, mom is highkey sketchy despite not having any solid reasons to fall back on quite yet, family has secrets that she should probably know for her own mental well-being but far be it from anyone to tell her before things escalate, all she needed was one little incident for That Dark Crap to arise and now she can't get rid of it (the bite for Lydia, the hot tub for Betty) Is extremely intellegent and actually really sweet but make no mistake if you mess with her freinds she WILL become your worst nightmare and that's probably literally, I Just Wanted To Get Into A Good College But Now I'm Probably Gonna Have To Stab A Dude

Derek is even like the anti-Cheryl in a way, they're both oddly similar but their alignments are polar opposites (neutral-good/chaotic good and chaotic neutral/neutral evil), but for the hell of it...:

Extremely rich, come from old money, one of /Those/ families that's been in the town since the start of it and is kind of known by everyone there, arsonist burned their house down when they were 17 (the difference here is that for Derek it was a tragedy, for Cheryl it was a task) (I know that was a terrible joke), sexually assaulted at age 17, Attitude Issues (the difference being that Derek presents himself as broody, grumpy, and quick to irritate, wile Cheryl presents herself cheerfully but with a very obvious ego and selfishness), Family has some pretty literal skeletons in the closet, homicidal relative who kicked off the events of the entire series (Peter killing Laura, Cheryl's dad killing Jason), The Popular Kid in highschool (atleast, Visionary leads us to believe that Derek was relatively popular), The death of their sibling is what starts the entire series, the unwilling fifth member of the Core Four- making it more of a Fab Five- who kind of doesn't want to be there but also kind of does and is more there for plot/circumstances/marketing than because they're "freinds" with the Core Four (although they kind of want to be they just won't say it out loud), Does Not Care About Society's "Moral Expectations", Has a very noticeable lean on fashion that they wear pretty much constantly for atleast the first two seasons (Red for Cheryl, leather jackets for Derek), has a heart despite acting out all the time, I'm Hanging Around You Losers For Plot And Totally NOT Because I'm Lonely And Insecure And Need Some Freinds

I'm really tempted to make a Teen Wolf Riverdale AU except with adults but also that seems like alot of work... though from a charector perspective you wouldn't know it

#Teen Wolf #Riverdale

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