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lambjock · 6 months
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your thoughts on the cut jackienat scene are everything and it's really nice to see someone else get it. the discourse from the scene has been draining enough because people don't think it was cut for being out of character when that seems to be the case
also, happy belated!
i'm glad to hear that you ( and others ) agree! honestly, i was quite nervous to post my thoughts on the matter in the main tag, considering how crazy fandom spaces can get nowadays, but i felt so strongly about this in particular that i couldn't help it. my main issue with the discussion surrounding this deleted scene is the fact that it feels extremely pointed. for the last few months, jackienat as a romantic relationship and as a platonic pairing has been gaining steady traction ; they've become a staple to most fics as an essential dynamic and something that heavily matters to both characters. besides shaunajackie it's easily the second most popular ship for jackie, and in a way i think that's the problem. ever since gaining more popularity, there's been very odd comments thrown it's way? people taking every given opportunity to claim they don't see the 'jackienat romantic vision' on edits, saying it would never be a thing because of jackie's one slut shaming comment about natalie, etc etc. before this deleted scene dropped there clearly were handfuls of people who would do anything to tear this dynamic down and then they finally got the biggest chance to do so ... and they did! i've seen people call jackienat's whole dynamic 'completely fanon', people saying this was a satisfying scene to them because of jackienat shippers disliking shaunajackie, and excuses after excuses as to why this scene is, in fact, canon and why it works. overall it was just saddening to see? just feels like a good majority of yellowjackets fans see jackie as shauna's property rather than a fictional character people can do whatever with, so the idea of her having a relationship with natalie quickly became this threat that they had to belittle and claim as ooc at every given opportunity. which is weird! considering shauna has so many other ships that don't include jackie at all. it's also a little amusing since a good chunk of these people happen to ship shaunanat, most of them quickly rallying behind the 'nat pointing a gun at a pregnant shauna' scene as shipping fodder. don't think i've seen anyone saying 'oh shaunanats lost with this one' despite the heap of comments saying this for jackienat.
point is : i find the intent behind people's talk for this scene to be rather weird more than i find the scene itself to be sad or despairing. simply because it is just not canon. when scenes are cut for time, they've usually been filmed first -- considering that said scenes made it into the final, 100% solid script. this is true for the shauna and adam bdsm scene because we've seen clips of that in the actual show, meaning they filmed it and just cut it for time. same thing with a lot of s2's cut for time scenes! lots of the actresses and actors said these moments had been filmed but just didn't make the final cut. to me this signifies a time issue to some degree, especially given how long some of these scenes would've been! but the jackienat thing would've been a couple seconds tops? it was nothing more than jackie sitting outside and then the two of them passing her all while nat gives her a scathing, hateful look. considering we see shots of jackie sitting by herself with the cabin's front door in view, this would've been fairly easy to accomplish! i don't think people get that, per se. which to me signifies it was cut from the script before they started filming, or that by the time they got to the finale they saw this as ooc. idk. it just doesn't make sense for this to be cut for 'time issues' like the way some people are trying to argue. and even if this was the case, it proves that the writers deemed this moment as something unimportant enough to not include.
also, i don't see why this is the be all end all of jackienat either. is it bad to say this scene would've made me like them more? picturing this scene as canon and then having to watch natalie's anguish in s2 ep3 makes her guilt all the more agonizing to me, honestly. it was already such a hard hitting scene : seeing nat treat jackie's remains with respect, to see her shed her walls and be vulnerable with someone she didn't know well but cared for, and to get a peek into the fact she feels so guilty because, naturally, natalie sees this as her fault. they ate jackie because she couldn't find food fast enough. they killed her because she hadn't been there. these are things nat doesn't need to feel guilt and shame over, because jackie wasn't her responsibility or her friend, but she feels them anyway and she feels them intensely. now imagining this scene in a world where the deleted part was canon? awful! those emotions would've been way more heightened, all those personal blames would've had a fraction of truth to them, and natalie would be forced to acknowledge that when someone needed her help, she had just left them behind in the cold. something which would also intensify the pain of her watching javi drown in freezing water all while crying out to her ... a moment which she'd be wearing jackie's necklace. also, i'd find it kind of interesting that it'd be implied natalie has all these complexities and personal hatred over letting jackie taylor die just like shauna. they'd be the two who take her passing the hardest, the ones who blame themselves more than anyone else. to me that's just gayer than what we got canonically lol. but in turn, i think this could've been another reason why it was cut? this guilt and shame and hate was something reserved for shauna alone, because it's so pivotal to her character and growth, to the point that the writers couldn't let anyone really share that same feeling. it would've taken away from shaunajackie, i think, and what makes them special. if natalie genuinely had walked past jackie out of hate only for her to die the next morning, i believe we would've seen this guilt permanently etched into her character from the beginning. people forget just how quickly nat is to blame herself for things! and be very obvious about that blame! just feels like we would've known if natalie had left jackie out there on purpose, which isn't something we know at all in regards to the actual show.
anyway! i've rambled on quite enough. to me, this scene isn't that bad at all, and i don't think this takes away from the potential of jackienat whatsoever. there's really no evidence that it does! even in the worst case scenario of this scene being canon, it just makes the dynamic much more tragic, which fans eat up on this show. and at the end of the day i wouldn't give the discussions much attention, considering most peoples reasons for wanting this scene to be canon are very petty.
#my posts.#asks.#yellowjackets#at this point a lot of people have talked about how this is ooc for the show's nat so i didn't talk about that much!#but like i definitely agree. just didn't feel like i had more to bring to the table with that so i talked about other things on my mind#like in general i think the idea that nat would parallel shauna when it comes to jackie taylor is INSANE#and feels more like a win to jackienats then it feels like a loss#is it ooc for our nat? yes. would it have been heart wrenching to see nat's reaction after? also yes.#just because i think she would've brought jackie in doesn't mean i don't like the idea of this scene. even if just a little bit#but due to how ooc it feels and how some people are acting about this scene i just. am not fucking with it super hard#it just feels like some people need everyone to hate jackie besides shauna? like this is something they need to be canon#which rubs me the wrong way and makes me more of a jackienat defender than i initially was#at the end of the day : if natalie forgave and loved the girls after doomcoming? she would've done the same with jackie but faster#these girls loved each other and it was awful and that's kinda it#jackie wasn't some special exception where everyone hated her 24/7 and hated her pre-crash and just always hated her#for one its so unrealistic and for two this goes against the themes of intense female friendships and how shaky they can be#jackie wasn't always hated but they turned on her quick for silly ridiculous things#its just how teenagers are#and idk jackienat's whole thing of 'oh we could've been best friends in a kinder world during a better time' devestates me#out of all the girls there the one who would've understood jackie best would've been nat#just like how the same is true the other way around! they really could've understood each other#could've been there for each other and provided and loved but they didn't. and now they wont ever get the chance to#anyway!!! i hope this makes sense im tired but yeah <3 thanks sm for the birthday wishes and for this ask!!!#it was fun to revisit this so soon haha so thanks sm have an amazing day!
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chirpsythismorning · 11 months
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Just realized reading the piggyback script that the Jonathan and Nancy scene at the cabin, with them covering the window with the wood, parallels to the Steve and Nancy scene at the end of s2 where they’re hanging up the blanket to make the shed look indiscernible for possessed Will… both conversations involve her saying she was impressed with them caring for the kids… and both give the vibe that they’re not exactly not not together with it sort of being up in the air 👀
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magentagalaxies · 6 months
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fucking love it when one of my professors brings up kids in the hall in giving me feedback, not in a pandering way but in a "this is an observation i've made about their work and how you could channel this aspect in your own comedy to get yourself out of your comfort zone and play with new things"
#shoutout to my improv teacher fr#we were talking about how i don't use dynamic physicality and movement as much in my characters#and she brought up how so much of their characters are very physical and encouraged me to play with that#and also specifically character temperament and emotions and stuff bc i have a specific range i play in#and it's funny even tho i personally think my comedy style is most like bruce#and scott in a lot of ways has these uninhibited moments i wish i could throw myself into#in terms of character range/voice/temperament/emotion? i'm playing heavily in the scott zone rn#and my professor was like ''that's great but also i wanna see you play a bruce girl''#we also had a whole conversation about gender and kith and how gender plays into my improv or is absent from it a lot of the time#and holy shit erin my improv teacher wins cis ally of the day award she was so respectful while also having good feedback#(her feedback was low key ''be more overtly trans even if it makes cis people uncomfortable'')#bc like. i'm very overtly trans in my standup rn like you know how aubrey is#but in improv? sure i play many characters regardless of gender but that's the thing. it's ''regardless'' of gender#so i sort of default to being neutral so that others can project onto me. it's sort of ''idgaf i'm chill'' which in itself still is radical#but it gives ''cis allys'' who don't want to deal with gender an outlet to just project onto me in a way that i could own much more#anyway the way i process feedback is often by repeating it to someone else so like. this didn't need to be a post this is for me#but idk if you're following along with my comedy journey (or even if you just want to hear my professor reference kids in the hall!)#maybe this is of interest to you. in any case i'm very excited to play with all this stuff much more#and i definitely feel confident in my comedic identity and trans identity and most of all my trans-comedian identity#and i'm excited to see how i grow from here
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fiendishartist2 · 1 month
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guys what if i want to make my own apollo justice game.
#i need to write a prequel to aa4 pls pls pls pls pls#okay get this: so phoenix isnt disbarred yet and he doesnt have trucy. hes still taking and winning cases#one day he gets a call from edgeworth and hes all like ''wright i need your assistance'' and hes like what for and edgeworth goes#''ive been given the most ridiculous case and i think youre the only man in law who can take care of it''#so phoenix bikes his ass to the detention center and boom. child behind bars#and phoenix is like ??? hey kid what are doing here. and this kid is the most surly mfer on the planet like you couldnt get-#-a word out of him if you tried. hes kinda giving phoenix the stink eye too but hes just the littlest guy on earth#and phoenix feels bad for him so he tries to get a rundown of the case (maybe edgeworth gave him an autopsy report or smth beforehand)#but get this. the kid still wont speak. he hasnt even moved a muscle. and after some prodding you find out this little dude-#-doesnt speak english (i dont love aa6 but i think apollos tragic backstory can be interesting so we're going w that but taking it seriousl#anyways so maya is like omg this kid is speaking khurainese but hers is kinda broken bc shes not from the mainland and only knows it-#-from like prayers#so you only get bits and pieces of the kids testimony. plus he still doesnt wanna talk bc ''dhurk told me not to talk to you''#so you start following the new lead but you ask too many questions and apollos like oh shit i said too much and wont talk to you anymore#but now you have two leads: khur'ain and a man named ''dhurk'' plus the fact that this is kid might be new to america since-#-he cant speak english but is smack dab in the middle of california. its all v curious and phoenix wants to get to the bottom of it#for the rest of the case i feel like it would go in the direction of ''we dont know exactly whats up w this dhurk guy or where this kid-#-came from but we do get him acquitted and phoenix is able to save him from the dark path he was heading towards'' thus steering apollo-#-in the direction of law and giving him a wayyyy better reason than aa6 gave him <3#i kind of like the interlinked nature of ace attorney's storytelling. like everything leads into smth else and everyone is impacted-#-by another person before they even become properly entangled w each other's lives#like how mia faced dahlia years before she met phoenix but dahlia was the one to connect them#or how trucy gave phoenix the diary paper but she's also the one who ropes apollo into the waa. even before they know they're siblings#or how lamoire left apollo and trucy as children and when they reunite as adults they cant recognise each other but they all find each-#-other anyways#i could go on but i think this could be cool yknow esp bc i think the most interesting thing about apollo's aa6 backstory is his life-#-post dhurk. like where did he stay? was he a foster kid? was he put into the system? how did that affect him? what kind of ppl took him in#i just wanna know how that whole thing would have effected him bc like when yiu think about it how did he even get to america?? his dad's#-considered a terrorist. idk man i think its interesting and apollo and dhurks interactions are one of the only good parts of aa6
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leaderintitleonly · 10 months
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I am going to do a dumb, emotional, pain-filled rant because my hyperfixation is Snow White (esp the dwarfs) and I just saw The Teens from Wish not too long ago.
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Also hello Asha's mom and Valentino, I also love you. Anyway. Hi. I love and adore them. Adore. Please please please please please, I hope this movie is fantastic because look at them. Look at them. And I do know the Doc inspired one's name. Her name is Dahlia and I am in love. In love. I love all of the outfits. I love the colors chosen (love the sassy purple on our lil Grumpy there). I love these choices. Most of all, I love the detail. There's not a lot other than this scene and what Jennifer Lee has told us, but for higher resolutions, get as close as you can. They have the same eyebrows (GASP) as their inspirations and predecessors. The same exact eyebrows. No really I got as close to Dahlia as I could and ran her against Doc.
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Same eyebrow details. They're each rocking them. That's someone who cared to go look at the originals and really do some work. If you felt like Disney and Pixar have been phoning it in lately, that's a pretty specific detail to use. And those colors have been worn by the dwarfs if not in the original movie but appearances in picture books or comics. I would know. I own them.
While our Happy counterpart doesn't have Happy's original round, chubbiness, Dahlia does! So we're keeping some details people felt were important to their originals and still made them who they are. OKAY! I'll get used to Happy-teen (can't wait to learn your name!) not being round but... Dahlia! Beautiful! Someone's paying attention and I really want to chat with them. Buy them coffee. Or some hard drugs idk how they swing but they deserve a little treat. Yeah I went from coffee to hard drugs, no donut. Ehhh. What makes me sad is there's no way Wish can give me enough runtime to let me get to know each of these characters. But as a Doc fan (we are few but we are very opinionated), Dahlia is an amazing translation of his design for an inspired character. I love her. I love her wide-eyed amazement here. Knowing she's Asha's "best friend" and "the brains" makes me fascinated to see what's next. I don't know if Doc's anxiety and doubts will follow, but it'll be interesting and I'm very hopeful to see what this inspiration will do. I can't wait to see what this brings to all of the characters. Because this? This is good. I am optimistic. This is good.
Okay and now I'm gonna let myself have a very nice cry because my brain needs to physically explode. Cool. Good talk. Bye.
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outeremissary · 3 months
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Poll about creating characters for a game really has me thinking about my methods because while I don't usually situate a character in the world/create a full backstory beforehand I feel like I need such a strong sense of who a character is, how they behave, and at least the skeleton of why they behave like that that I usually get bored and feel like I'm playing some flat nothing when I don't have that. I guess that isn't the same as having a fully rigid concept, especially since I'm happy to change things radically in conversation with a game when it's going well, but it's still enough of a distinct Guy Who Already Exists In My Brain I couldn't call it a loose concept. And usually when things go well for my looser concept characters and I develop them during a playthrough I just hit a point partway through where it's like... cool! I have completed the concept for this character now, I can stop playing and relocate them to a Real Story. They almost never feel like they fit right until they're in something where they're starting from that state, haha. I'm like this with tabletop stuff as well. I'm not always the ten page backstory guy but if I'm not at least coming in with some needlessly complex portrait of personality the character is not going to stick for more than a oneshot. Just doesn't interest me to play! I don't feel like I'm seeing through their eyes yet. Can't get in the right zone mentally. I think that's what it's really about for me- a loose concept is rarely immersive, and without that immersion I just struggle to feel like the actions are coming from the character instead of me and come together into a cohesive story about the character (rather than one about me pushing buttons).
#I think it's also not true for me that rigid concepts are less likely to click correctly with a game's tone than loose ones#my most successful PoE1 run had a loose defined-as-I-went character I quite liked who developed swiftly into someone who sucked for POE1#she just did not fit the game at all and it was hard to interact with the world through her. and she was made by playing the game!#her whole concept emerged from early game dialogue!#but partway through it was like hmm I gotta pull kiryana out of this she doesn't belong and right now she can't tell a good story here#felt hard to RP her in that game.#she's a success story though I couldn't tell you anything about half of my dao characters they were totally unmemorable for me#maybe the winning sauce for the loose ideas is that I need to find something specific to keep building on very quickly after starting#for kiryana it was her intense romanticism. for kasander it was a stubborn and radical (but not naive) optimism.#for my brosca it was the gap between her dreams of heroism and rough lived experiences.#when I think about it the thing all of these have in common is games that provided early opportunities for interaction with personal past#the origin in dao. the talk about goals and reasons in poe1. the emergence of durge... durge-ness.#makes it feel grounded without needing to do all the grounding. anchors a character. starts the conversation with the game properly.#(although I've also had plenty of dao and poe1 characters who still didn't inspire enough to feel anchored...)#you guys who do multiple playthroughs to iterate on what was only the lightest concept at first are so strong lmao#I can't do that. not in the same game. if they weren't compelling to me in it the first time there will absolutely not be a second.#this is a TRUE rambling post good god. just wanted to get thoughts out of my head and procrastinate on getting out of bed for Tasks#rambling
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deityofhearts · 9 months
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sometimes me or lex remember that time she was on call with her bf and she said “capiche?” and I interjected saying “isn’t that a food?,, oh wait. quiche.”
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hirokiyuu · 1 year
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ive been thinking abt a helio/stratos swap recently and mostly just like. the reality of a vace+rex+nomi childhood friends trio in this au is so. man
#me realizing i think vace would be essentially the pov chara for this au: MAN#stratos kids in this concept is really fun i am soooo obsessed with military sol#mama flulu in a military heavy au is so......... man#flulu who's met geranium and is doing a little better than her previous military days but she's still this decorated soldier right#and sol wants soooo bad to make her proud. so they work really hard.#not realizing flulu really hates seeing them do this. but she knows its to impress her#so it's this awful feedback loop where sol is trying so so hard to make her proud and she is!#but also they can tell she's kind of reluctant to praise them so theyre like#well obviously i just need to work harder then :/ and end up becoming one of the best younger soldiers lol#them and marz are kind of always at odds for control over the social circle i htink#they tend to win tho just bc of like...... their clout etc. but marz sometimes gets little victories just bc. U Kno.#cal is like the weird outcast on this ship lol#i think him and sol were closer as kids but his utter pacifism leaves him completely on the outside u kno#dys is a bit of an outsider too but he's more of like a#doesnt play well with others outsider rather than a Freak outsider#he does well enough in training etc that ppl leave him alone mostly i htink#he and sol are definitely Weirdly Obsessed With Each Other#also military ship engineer tang like...... lmao#to prevent gvf would be either like. actively sabotaging her i think. its a whole thing#god. thinking thinking thinking#teenexo stuff#helio sol versus military stratos sol are different concepts lol#helio sol is like. pressure from mom makes them shut down so they kind of suck#versus military stratos sol where mom doesnt have hte pressure and instead is like#someone theyre trying so hard to impress themself#so they work way harder and better#its a whole thing. fun concept#thinking constantly always
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dreamsuvivor · 2 years
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SPOILERS FOR ‘WE’LL ALWAYS HAVE SUMMER’
So you’re telling me that I read more than 200 pages of Belly x Jeremiah’s bullshit? ONLY TO RECIEVE ONE SHORT-ASS EPILOGUE ABOUT THE ENDGAME COUPLE?!!! THIS IS A HATE CRIME!!!
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ibyul · 1 year
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Thinking abt my teenage years .
#and the tumultuous feelings#I came across some drama scene lol and got reminded of boys. like. as a genre#like teenage boys. they r. insane#abt how ppl do things that are unnecessary as if they are oblivious but i rlly wonder is everyone really oblivious#also maybe im just really easy to win over like do i stand a chance against the fitnah of this world man#i rmemeber this kid. A whole grade below me. the new board member for my friend's club. I was helping her w/ club stuff on the computer#(he was also tall and kind. that. was the problem. not to be a sterotypical Girl. but)#and this kid casually just. leaned over me and put his hand on the mouse (on which my hand alr was)#like. how do u do that. casually. unintentionally.#obv i pulled my hand away and avoided him since lmao cuz. who wants to catch feelings for a whole 10th grader when ur in 11th grade right#ig thats why it was a shock to me. i thought boy-crazy mali would just like whoever it is she talked to first. and yet here i am#having talked to at least 3 million guys on 3 million blind dates and yet found none of them attractice#attractive*#is there smth wrong with me lol. maybe i just like the idea of guys. and not guys that i actually might end up with lol#lskdfjalkfd#anyway ig was living my best life these past few months being too focused on not feeling well to think abt boys as a genre#cuz yeah what a waste of my morning today thinking abt all this garbage#💀💀💀 oversharing again oof its been a while since i felt the need to do that man#i swear shaitan waits for Friday to whisper stupid stuff into my brain#like. let me live i just wanna read surah kahf and teach my classes ugh#delete later#uhm also like. ik its a 10 year old story but i hope to god my friend isn't following me aldkjfaskdjfaf#can u blame me tho. i was. like 15 or 16#it was much easier in middle school there was only like 15 boys in my grade and i disliked them all
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whynotimtired · 2 years
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Thinking about how in st2 Mike pitched his idea to set the hub on fire as "distracting the demodogs so El has a chance of getting in there and closing the gate" when what mike REALLY succeeds in doing is being the breaking point for the mindflayer in wills exorcism. His plan was the thing that finally broke the hold and FORCED the mind flayer get out of him. He saved Will. Hopper was the one who ended up keeping the demodogs away from El.
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vampacidic · 2 years
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wait holy shit have you read witch hat atelier
(opens my third eye) yes. yes and i am excruciatingly normal about it and did not make my language arts teacher read it nooooooo i'd never do something like that hahaha Don't look at my 80 abandoned WIPs
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lizlemondyke · 2 years
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the emmy’s are gonna FUCK this year. I love having seen like half the shows.
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acaiyatree · 1 year
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learning more about dinah is so funny bc u realize how stupid the little boys r in the tiktok comment sections r, trying to convince people that ollie would beat dinah in a hand-to-hand fight
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kurokurobonit0 · 2 years
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I think roman should kill logan i think he should poison him or mess with his meds something quiet not planned at all he's just there and has the choice to do it or not and he does and it obviously backfires or, even worse, does absolutely nothing at all
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vaniliens · 3 months
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Been trying to find some good panels of Lucy in her default outfit during gmg arc BUT SHES SO SMALL IN ALL OF THESE,,,
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