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into-daylight-hope · 3 years

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Qui-Gon Jinn: Certified Hypocrite, Fascinating Failure, Mass of Contradictions

For starters, I am just going to let direct quotes from the man speak for itself.

Some excerpts from Master & Apprentice

Wise words.

Wait a minute...

😯😯 What the hell is happening here? All quotes are from the same man in one book.

Qui-Gon Jinn doesn't have an ounce of self-awareness and it is so hilariously terrible.

What is even better (or worse), this is perfectly in line with The Phantom Menace characterization .

I mean,

Remember when he said all this than spent the rest of the movie obsessing over prophecies, the chosen one and literally the future?

"He still has so much to learn of the living force." Qui-Gon Jinn about Obi-Wan in the council scene

After that scene

"The boy is dangerous. They all sense it why can't you?" Obi-Wan Kenobi about Anakin Skywalker to Qui-Gon Jinn

You see Obi-Wan, Master Jinn here has completely lost any sense of "here and now" between his crusade against darkness and divine mission to save the Galaxy.

This in turn, unsurprisingly blinds him to the fact Anakin is not suitable to become a Jedi. Or at least not ready to directly move on to becoming a padawan.

Anakin himself would suffer in a road that is not meant for him. But he is not planning for Anakin the child. He is thinking about The Glorious Chose One.

He is the chosen one. You all must, see it.

And yet from Qui-Gon's perspective it is Obi-Wan who doesn't understand the Living Force.

I have to say if he is truly a student of the living force as many fans claim he has been failing the class for at least 8 years.

Let's move on to another set of entertaining and horrifyingly oblivious quotes from M&A.

If you look upward you can observe Mr. Here and Now in his natural habitat.

He really acts like future is set in stone than thinks he is the right person to talk about about concentrating in the moment. Unbelievable.

Let's look at this dialogue again. In contrast with the excerpt from above.

He is all about the future when it suits him. But when Obi-Wan makes a remark on it he obviously should just focus on the moment. This is actually the third time in this post where he contradicts himself while specifically chastising or criticizing Obi-Wan for something Qui-Gon actually does.

Now I don't think Qui-Gon acts with malice. But it is important to point out his obliviousness has become a way of ensuring he is never in the wrong.

He suffers from an immense hubris. And a man obsessed with prophecies and chosen ones definitely has some kind of savior complex.

But notably Jinn doesn't actually want to put any effort into enacting real change with his limited yet existent capabilities.

He turns down a council seat in M&A because he thinks it would hold him down. From what? Dear God, the reason they offered him a seat was for different opinions. Qui-Gon can complain all he wants but one time he actually had a chance to make his opinions a reality he freaking bailed.

Why? He doesn't want to face his own limits. He can't bare to try and fail. It is much easier to sustain a superiority complex when you are complaining from the sidewalk.

So he fixates all this belief onto prophecies, visions that will magically cure the Galaxy. And of course his place to help fulfill them. To the point where it is the one thing that keeps him standing.

He has binded meaning of his life and belief for goodness dangerously close to his supposed importance in the Galaxy. (You can feel the influences of his former master)

His absolute refusal to engage with reality turns him into mass of contradictions. Cause he doesn't know what he will find or become if he is mistaken in his belief of himself.

He can't face reinvention on the event of defeat.

But this situation was different. It had to be, because the only thing Qui-Gon knew to be absolutely true was that his vision was real.

Oh by the way, it turned out he misunderstood the vision. But when does being wrong ever stopped Qui-Gon Jinn?

No words.

Only Qui-Gon could have come near declaring himself a prophet after making a mistake. Maybe stop and reflect man? Just stop and think about your actions.

Obi-Wan Kenobi: I have a bad feeling about this.

Qui-Gon Jinn: I don't sense anything.

Of course you don't.

Honestly he doesn't have much to speak for in the cosmic force department either.

(There is the whole force ghost thing I guess. But I have no idea if that is more connected with living or cosmic force. It seems to be more about spiritual enlightenment. Which is ridiculous when you consider Yoda had go through so many trials, face his darkside, learn to truly let go just for Force priestesses to deem him worthy enough to study immortality. Yes Qui-Gon never became a force ghost but he had started his training before he died. And much of Yoda's tests on TCW was about self-awareness. It is not just about being a good person. How did Force Priestesses approve Qui-Gon "I was meant to misinterpret this vision." Jinn? I would understand if he became wiser after death and faced his flaws and all but he never was on that level before he died. You might say even Anakin became a force ghost. But I would remind you, Anakin in the end broke out of denial, acknowledged the wrong of his ways and took that leap to the light side. Self-awareness seems such an important key to becoming a force ghost. Right there with selflessness. Personally it doesn't quite feel right for a character whose biggest flaws are their lack of introspection and hubris which we never see him rise above to be the one that discovers immortality again. It feels more like a rushed plot point to explain how we get from A to B.)

This post got out of control 😂. I honestly just wanted to point out lack of communication might be one of the reasons Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon have trouble understanding each other but it is sometimes even harder to understand Qui-Gon when he actually says something. Cause ration is not what drives him.

Qui-Gon is such a complex character. He is undeniably good especially compared to other SW characters. Yet for all fandom's deifying he might be the most flawed Jedi we see on the franchise. (The ones that fell to the dark side not included.)

It is a shame wider fandom completely write off his flaws to the degree I can't even recognize the character when they talk about Jinn. Cause that Qui-Gon is so hard to feel empathy for.

When people constantly make statements like "He is The Wisest sw character." his hypocrisy stops being amusing. It doesn't end on screen or page instead often used to bash other characters.

An unbelievable analysis from Wookiepedia:

When Jinn saved the Gungan exile Jar Jar Binks, who in turn swore a life-debt to him, his compassionate nature was such that Jinn took the hapless Gungan under his wing, much to Kenobi's dismay. His empathy toward all life forms, including the most pitiful and unfortunate, was Jinn's greatest strength. Additionally, he remained understanding and patient with Queen Padmé Amidala. During the short time they knew each other, he never asked for her to do more than she was willing to.

You know out of the two, Qui-Gon was the one who insulted Jar Jar to his face. And he didn't took Jar Jar under his wing. They forced him to take them to a city where Jar Jar could have been punished for entering. Now it was the pragmatic thing to do. For all three's survival not for their own gain. Understandable. But compassion is just pushing it.

Also he never asked Padme to do more than she was willing to do?

Padmé : Are you sure about this? Trusting our fate to a boy we hardly know? The Queen will not approve.

Qui-Gon Jinn : The Queen does not need to know.

Padmé : Well, I don't approve.

And he is aware she is the queen, herself. Padme was nearly tearing out her because of this man in TPM.

What is weird, Jinn in his bewildering hypocrisy probably thinks he is being admirably compassionate with Jar Jar, highly understanding and patient with Padme. We clearly see he is not.

Out of universe he has been a force ghost for decades now but fandom is nowhere near acknowledging his flaws than he is.

And honestly SW doesn't have that many major morally complex characters. People like Maul, Palpatine, Anakin,Ventress don't think they are serving a higher purpose or oblivious to the evils they commit.

Emotionally complicated, yes. Going through moral dilemmas, no.

Three major characters come to mind who make huge mistakes, condone or commit atrocities while thinking they are in the right/with good intentions/for a greater cause. With varying degrees of culpability.

Qui-Gon. Padme. Dooku.

In that order.

Let these characters be interesting instead of demonizing nearly inhumanly selfless Jedi characters. (They make mistakes too but funnily enough they are still way better beings than most people on our planet.)

By the way I found the epitaph "Fascinating Failure" from the article here. Especially the last paragraphs make some interesting points. ⬇️

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This post might seem harsh but that is expected since it focuses on Qui-Gon's flaws.

"People are more than their worst act,” Quote from Qui-Gon Jinn in Master & Apprentice

#qui gon jinn #Qui-Gon Jinn #obi wan kenobi #Obi-Wan Kenobi #meta #character analysis #pro jedi #in defense of the jedi #long post

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twh-news · 3 years

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Loki: Tom Hiddleston Reveals the MCU's Future Is Predetermined By the TVA

In just over two weeks, Marvel's third Disney+ original series Loki will premiere. With new footage and interviews now releasing on a near-daily basis, fans have already learned quite a bit about the show and there's still more to come.

The series will follow the version of Loki who escaped with the Tesseract in Avengers: Endgame and is captured by the Time Variance Authority. The TVA is going to put him to work in fixing the broken timeline, which will send the God of Mischief off on some wild adventures in wildly different times and places.

Cast and crew are revealing more and more tidbits about the project as it approaches, including just how influential the TVA has been to the MCU as a whole and how Loki's time travel shenanigans lead to some introspection.

LOKI AS A TVA TIME PRISONER

In the Summer 2021 issue of Disney’s D23 Magazine obtained by The Direct, Loki actor Tom Hiddleston opened up about the series' concept of time criminals and the organization in charge of them: the Time Variance Authority, or TVA, for short.

Specifically, Hiddleston noted that the time institution "have predetermined what happens in the past, the present, and the future" of the Marvel Cinematic Universe:

"If you have done something to alter history or alter the course of the future, according to the TVA, you get pulled into their headquarters and processed as a time criminal. You could literally have done anything. The TVA is an organization that orders and polices the passage of time. They have predetermined what happens in the past, the present, and the future - in a straight line. And if you do anything that deviates from that, or creates an alternate branch of reality, you get hauled into the TVA and charged with crimes against the timeline, and you're a time prisoner. It will come as a surprise to no one that Loki is one of those time criminals. He has pushed the boat out. He's broken too many of his restrictions."

Loki director Kate Herron spoke on Loki's reaction to what he has caused, saying "With Loki taking the Tesseract, fans will see exactly what that action means and what a bigger ripple he's made in time doing that. It causes him to be more reflective about his actions and why he's done what he's done."

THE TVA WORKING OVERTIME

Fans didn't see Loki after he disappeared with the Tesseract in Endgame, but the streaming series is sure to start off by showing viewers exactly where he went and why it caused a rift in the timeline.

Herron's comments here are the first to imply the show will also reveal what the future looks like after his actions change it. Scenes that appear to depict a dystopian-esque New York City have been spotted in trailers, so it's possible this is the future Herron was hinting at.

Tom Hiddleston's comments about Loki "[breaking] too many of his restrictions" is also interesting, and may answer the question as to why the Avengers didn't get in trouble with the TVA for their time travel escapades in Endgame, but Loki is here. It's possible there is some wiggle room for people's actions to deviate slightly from the TVA's plan but not affect the future (or at least not in any meaningful way) so they are spared from being time prisoners and going on trial at the TVA.

#tom hiddleston #loki #loki series #article #d23

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the-lonelybarricade · 2 years

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Yayyy happy assignment submission!! I know what an amazing feeling that is, to be free of being bogged down by the weight of assignments. More questions for you! Top three fave moments of each book from the original ACOTAR trilogy? Not just a line, but the whole scene, the landscape, the ensemble (was gonna ask just top three but that’s a bit mean)

- Acotar Gift Exchange SS (henceforth abbreviated as AGE SS~)

Hello love!! Sorry it took me so long to respond to this, I had the last of my submissions today and I only just got it done but that was the last of them! Yay!! I hope you had a good day today! (Also the abbreviation is perfect!)

My brain is literally deceaseed from 12+ hours of nonstop math, so I had to read this over a few times to process if you were asking top three per book or top three total. My brain is trashed so I'm sorry in advance for typos/poor wording. This is probably going to be long (sorry) so I'll put a read more so I don't clog up people's dash! <3

Okay top 3 from acotar:

I bolded the key words so you can skim through if you don't need all my context! Sorry for overloading you with info!

1. Probably Calanmai. I thought it was a fun chapter on my first read when i was nonthewiser to who Rhys actually was. I just thought it was cool to see more of the Fae traditions and aesthetically the rolling hills at night littered with bonefires and strange music and dancing was really appealing to me. I though SJM did a good job balancing the whimsy with the danger, so I was begging Feyre to stay just as much as I was begging her to leave. And then of course knowing what we do now, it was the first time we got to meet Rhysand and that notorious There you are, I've been looking for you. Made me love it doubly as much! Sexy all around, 10/10 scene.

2. The moments UtM when Rhys and Feyre were alone together were so much fun to me the first time around because it was obvious there was more to Rhys than we were led to believe and I liked trying to pick apart his character to discover his ulterior motive (and then of course in hindsight it's all equal parts sweet and heartbreaking). I think the last scene before Feyre's third trial where Rhys comes to visit her is my favorite, though, because I found the vulnerablity he displayed so fascinating. He was such a complex character in book 1 and I was already eating out of the palm of his hand by that point. His line about being lonely and having no one else to talk to broke my heart </3

3. Every scene with Lucien was pure gold in the first book. I loved the scene where Feyre, Tamlin, and Lucien went on a picnic and he thought the joke she made about the Suriel was hilarious. It was such a gentle moment between the three of them and maybe one of the first times they were all starting to get along, which made me happy. I was already such a simp for Lucien at that point, and if I recall we got a lot more backstory on him shortly after that moment.

Top three from acomaf: (lowkey all of it)

Okay so i'm going to avoid the obvious Feysand shipper in me that wants to say the Inn scene, CoN scene, and the mating bond scene because those were perfection for obvious reasons ;)

1. Star Fall. The aesthetic, the tension between them after their fight outside CoN, the forgiveness and flirting, Feyre paining, smiling, and laughing for the first time after UtM, "You're exquisite", "of course Il dance with you, all night if you wish", the IC all dancing together under a falling sky. Just 10/10 all around, top tier fuff.

2. Their fight in the summer court after Feyre had spent the whole day flirting with Tarquin. The tension was immaculate. I was so frusttrated they didn't kiss, but let's be real so were Rhys and Feyre lmao. But when he pinned her against the dresser, that was hot. And then she splashed water in his face, which was cute and then his line about her never following directions. Ahh. And then of course its the scene where we get the "to the stars who listen" line, which is fab.

3. The rooftop scene after Tarquin sends Rhys the blood rubies and he's upset about it. I loved the roles being flipped where Feyre is the one to comfort him for a change, I love that we got to see Rhys vulnerable but also how totally soft he is for Feyre. (And then later how hard he is 😏 when he sent her that lingerie fantasy). Just so cute.

honorable mention: "Did you like seeing me on my knees for you?

Top 3 from acowar:

1. One of my all time favorite scenes in probably the whole series is the reunion between Rhys and Feyre after she'd fled the spring court with Lucien. Rhys showing up mid conversation to boast about Feyre, her dropping to her knees, both of them immediately in tears as they reunite. I am so soft for male characters getting emotional over their love interests. I loved that he didn't care about anyone witnessing it (and I was happy that Lucien got to see it tbh). Just such a soft, sweet moment that makes my heart full every time.

2. Azriel teaching Feyre to fly. I'm a sucker for Feyre's bromances with the men in this universe. He was so brutal is such a hilarious and endearing way, I absolutely loved it. And learning about the Nephelle philosophy was a really sweet moment (and the payoff was cute as well!)

3. Lucien and Feyre hijacking Ianthe's ceremony was so satisfying. Both becasue we got to see Ianthe get all flustereed and because it's such an iconic Lucien moment, bowing to Feyre Cauldronblessed. Loved. It. I decided in that moment I would do anything for that man.

#okay literally I'm sorry this was so long #I hope this was helpful for you I'm sorry for babbling #secret santa #AGE SS

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